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So looking at the preview, it's pretty much the rules for epic* but using 28mm instead of 6mm.
With the rules being a blend of space marine (epic 1st ed) and epic last edition.
That sounds fun, and incredibly expensive to get an army. Although it give me an excuse to field my 17 knights...

Ha Ha Did anyone notice on the price list they have 18 Battlesuits for the Tau box

 Galas wrote:
To be honest I don't think this rules will be hard to adapt to 6mm to play epic.

Old epic models alongside the new AT Titans sure could be a thing...


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 Rolsheen wrote:
Ha Ha Did anyone notice on the price list they have 18 Battlesuits for the Tau box

Is it not 18 models? Maybe includes the drones.

 Rolsheen wrote:
Ha Ha Did anyone notice on the price list they have 18 Battlesuits for the Tau box

Seems like they’ve counted the drones.

I am all aboard the "Apocalypse in 6mm" wagon.

Whee, blast markers and orders! Epic Armageddon and Warmaster were always the best mass battle games GW made, and this Apocalypse appears to be a direct descendant.
40k is and always was a mutant skirmish game (which is why it’s great at KT scale) so this is a very refreshing change, long may it reign.

Doctor-boom wrote:
So looking at the preview, it's pretty much the rules for epic* but using 28mm instead of 6mm.
With the rules being a blend of space marine (epic 1st ed) and epic last edition.
That sounds fun, and incredibly expensive to get an army. Although it give me an excuse to field my 17 knights...

I'm pretty sure if you have 17 Knights, then complaining about the price of an army is off the table Apoc sounds like the perfect way to get them all on the field at once, would be an incredible sight!

I’ll admit I’ve been to the pub tonight, so may be a bit squiffy...but...

The best rules change here, that of ‘take stuff off the table at the end of the round’ is the best rule change ever.

Because it means there’s not a GBP/USD/EUR/currency/ASD wasted.

For a mass battle game? Regardless of 6mm, 28mm and every mm in betweeen? That’s awesome.

It does nicely negate the first turn alpha strike spunk I've had to deal with when we played Apocalypse in the past.

Between the thriving community of etsy sellers doing 3d prints and the Adeptus Titanicus models I'm leaning hard into 6mm-ish scale man.

Sounds awesome. I know what I'll be up to in the summer that's for sure.

Time to have some dark eldar fight alongside some custodes fighting alongside some khorne daemons!

 Dynas wrote:
Forgive my ignorance. What are the d12's for? is this Apoc Exclusive?

From the battle reports I’ve heard, the die you roll is dependent on the type of unit you’re targeting. Like a light unit or some such targeting a heavy unit will roll a d6 while the heavy would roll a d12. Something like that. Also, I heard you get a limited amount of activations, so not all your detachments activate. Lastly, what I heard was that the Apocalypse rules can be easily modified for regular 40k, and that some had already tried it and worked nicely.

Voss wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
Leak for the money cost of the new kits, along with all the other preorders of the 29th of June:

https://external-preview.redd.it/MY1x0kXz0cY2WNHCG53HL4YmTmC-E_up8UU49uMWPCM.jpg?auto=webp&s=97ea78e093fb29d2e08a90e443a668e5f72a72fb

If those are real the cost of the new tanks (and dice) are mindbogglingly bad compared to the detachments.

In the CSM box, its -$10 off the cost of new marine kits and the bikes and lord are free. Yet $45 for dice. Confuse-a-cat, ltd.

Knight box is great value, 2 free Amigers, will be picking that up for sure.

Pretty sure the dice is for a distributor box, not retail price. No one is crazy enough to charge $45 for a dice set, right? Same goes for movement trays, $4 each, not only available in packs of 12/16/18 surely.

willb2064 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
Leak for the money cost of the new kits, along with all the other preorders of the 29th of June:

https://external-preview.redd.it/MY1x0kXz0cY2WNHCG53HL4YmTmC-E_up8UU49uMWPCM.jpg?auto=webp&s=97ea78e093fb29d2e08a90e443a668e5f72a72fb

If those are real the cost of the new tanks (and dice) are mindbogglingly bad compared to the detachments.

In the CSM box, its -$10 off the cost of new marine kits and the bikes and lord are free. Yet $45 for dice. Confuse-a-cat, ltd.

Knight box is great value, 2 free Amigers, will be picking that up for sure.

Pretty sure the dice is for a distributor box, not retail price. No one is crazy enough to charge $45 for a dice set, right? Same goes for movement trays, $4 each, not only available in packs of 12/16/18 surely.

The first article already told us the dice set is 25 D6 and 25 D12. It's definitely $45 for a set. They also show the boxes for the movement trays and they're definitely those amounts.

I think one thing that entices me the most is a completely new way to play with existing models. I'm assuming that some models that are good in 40K will be meh in apoc, having different stats and values, uses and strats. And things that arn't great (a bunch of vehicles, stompas and the like) will be better, if not viable in apoc. It just means that parts of one's collection that sits usually about may have more life or funfactor in apoc. Like the ork box. Looking at it from a 40K mindset it's garbage, kans are the last thing you want atm, but in apoc they could have more use as a "light-heavy" type unit. with more unified rules rather than the mismash of weapons they are right now.

The more we hear about it the more interested I am.

 BrookM wrote:
It does nicely negate the first turn alpha strike spunk I've had to deal with when we played Apocalypse in the past.

Agreed. Last Apoc game I played we had to make it a war of attrition, with dead stuff coming back on the next turn and victory by points killed. Otherwise several players would have been out of the game turn 1.

Ah. So it's Epic.

Aiight. Sounds reasonable.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ah. So it's Epic.

Aiight. Sounds reasonable.

I stand corrected as well.
May give it a try after all.
Loved everything Epic back then.

Also, something I'm curious about. In the leaked price list there was mention of an XL model case. Reckon it'll be larger than the current doublewide case you can get?

Man, the admech transport is 75 bucks.

Was hoping for 50-60.

Dangit.

cody.d. wrote:
Also, something I'm curious about. In the leaked price list there was mention of an XL model case. Reckon it'll be larger than the current doublewide case you can get?

Price suggests that, yeah. Probably a triple wide version.

Or taller maybe.

Hmm, if it was deeper that may make it difficult to use, having 6 or layers rather than the current 4 So perhaps it will indeed be 3 portions wide rather than it's current 2. Or perhaps they are going to go nuts and go 2 down, 2 across?

I'd like the 25mm trays for my 'nids for regular games. Contemplating picking up the rules, as I still have my 6mm Epic stuff and it'd be great to have "modern" rules I could use for it.

 Togusa wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Malkyr wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Curious. Why? Common Space Marines, Heretical or Loyalist are trash teir units in the current edition of the game. They bring nothing, die to massed S3 fire.

Many of us still buy units because they look cool and we want to paint them. I want to replace my old Chaos marines with the incredibly cooler new models.

Apocalypse has never been about winning or a competitive meta, it is the most beer and pretzels of formats ever made.

Especially in the context of massed battles I am sure you will need at least 30 basic marines.

And just like everyone else who tells me this, experience has shown me better.

Every format is about WAAC. Apoc, Killteam, AT, 40K, Sigmar, Necromunda, Warcry. They're all going to be WAAC games because the majority of the player base is WAAC.

I respect your love of the models however. I too like the new sculpts a lot. I've got 40 of em myself, but even when I play "friendly" games with them. They just get shot off the table turn one, do nothing and make me very sad.

10,000 year old veterans touched by the dark gods indeed...

Just because players at your meta are all waac doesn't mean they are all waac everywhere. Funny that.

I've traveled and played all over.

I value those who like to play the game as I do. But, it's clear that the majority are competitive players who want to curb stomp your teeth in.

Once again, your anecdotal evidence does not equate to actual reality.

And as to the topic at hand: I, for one, welcome our resurrected Epic overlords.

Sweetcurse wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
Forgive my ignorance. What are the d12's for? is this Apoc Exclusive?

From the battle reports I’ve heard, the die you roll is dependent on the type of unit you’re targeting. Like a light unit or some such targeting a heavy unit will roll a d6 while the heavy would roll a d12. Something like that. Also, I heard you get a limited amount of activations, so not all your detachments activate. Lastly, what I heard was that the Apocalypse rules can be easily modified for regular 40k, and that some had already tried it and worked nicely.

The preview already explained that the d12 is used for the Wound roll, with each weapon having a target number for wounding infantry and a target number for wounding vehicles, the bolt rifle being 5+/8+ as an example.

Yup. D12 for combined hit and wound roll.

Primaris are shown as having a 6+ save. So that is strongly suggestive it’s also a D12 save roll.


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We’re also currently unsure how casualties are assigned. We know Bolt Rifles are Small Arms, and place Small Blast Markers.

What we don’t currently know is what those Blast Markers mean, and how Small compares to Large.

Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

However, I’m pretty sure there’s something wrong with the AdMech tank price. £85 would be absolutely ludicrous, for a 2 sprue tank that’s smaller than the repulsor. It’s either just wrong, or you get multiples (but that seems a weird way to do it). So I dunno what that means for the accuracy of the rest of the list.

Edit: His source corrected, Baneblade is £85, AdMech transport is £45.

I was going to say that it would make sense for NZD or AUD.

As it stands, it's the price of a Land Raider(?!?!).

That thing must be heeeeeeeeeeefty.

It’s not overly, it’s just expensive.

Spoiler:

The new Repulsor thing is also £10 more than the Repulsor despite just being a sprue swap. Ah well.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Repulsor isn't a "sprue swap" but rather an additional sprue like the Knight Warden kit.


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 Just Tony wrote:
So it is just a pinch above $125 US for the Iyanden box and the Chaos box? Holy hell am I EVER going to buy those...

$160 for those boxes.

Price listed on the chart I quoted was 100 pounds sterling, which slammed through six different currency converters came out to a pinch above $125, unless you have info that wasn't posted anywhere else in the thread that I saw.

 Just Tony wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

However, I’m pretty sure there’s something wrong with the AdMech tank price. £85 would be absolutely ludicrous, for a 2 sprue tank that’s smaller than the repulsor. It’s either just wrong, or you get multiples (but that seems a weird way to do it). So I dunno what that means for the accuracy of the rest of the list.

Edit: His source corrected, Baneblade is £85, AdMech transport is £45.

I was going to say that it would make sense for NZD or AUD.

As it stands, it's the price of a Land Raider(?!?!).

That thing must be heeeeeeeeeeefty.

It’s not overly, it’s just expensive.

Spoiler:

The new Repulsor thing is also £10 more than the Repulsor despite just being a sprue swap. Ah well.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Repulsor isn't a "sprue swap" but rather an additional sprue like the Knight Warden kit.


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 Just Tony wrote:
So it is just a pinch above $125 US for the Iyanden box and the Chaos box? Holy hell am I EVER going to buy those...

$160 for those boxes.

Price listed on the chart I quoted was 100 pounds sterling, which slammed through six different currency converters came out to a pinch above $125, unless you have info that wasn't posted anywhere else in the thread that I saw.

I imagine the 160 is taking into account the useal "tax" GW arbitrarily makes non brits pay

 Just Tony wrote:


Price listed on the chart I quoted was 100 pounds sterling, which slammed through six different currency converters came out to a pinch above $125, unless you have info that wasn't posted anywhere else in the thread that I saw.

Go look up the GBP price of the Knight Castellan on the UK site, then check the USD price on the USA site...