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110 pts is absurd. He is worth twice that.

5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
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Mortal wound on the charge, 2D character targeting pistol that benefits from chapter doctrine.

Mathhammer is saying Rend is better then S5 except against T8, the claws are AP-3 for when it matters.

So 3 extra melee attacks and 3++ storm shield vs pistol shots, 2" extra move, and reroll charges w/o warlord trait.

Biggest question is 2/3CP for Chapter Master and Hero of the Chapter worth 50 points.

Let's be clear, he's not nearly what I was hoping for and I think IH are at the top of the pile these days. 110 for Feirros is inane. I'm really interested in why their designer was allowed to go ham on their rules, when its seems the other chapters were more constrained.
   
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But all that stuff looks super broken.

Spoiler:


... Make a Vanguard of shooty dreads characters, even in a soup army.
... make a Leviathan a character and give it the -1 to wound relic or the -1 damage relic and dare your opponent to kill it (cue half-damage strat on top and, if you really wanna go nuts, use scouts as shield drones).
... make an Iron Clad a character (8 wounds) and give it the -1 damage relic next to some leviathans
... 110 point super-techmarine does his 3 damage heal twice


fun stuff all around
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Sprue breakdowns are up...Shrike has no alternate head and the helmet is sculpted to his belt. :-s

It does look doable to remove with no real damage, but I'll have to wait until he's in hand to tell for sure. Works for me, as no way in hell am I doing my white recipe over black spray.
   
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I'm not completely up to date on the pregame stratagem order. Can the dreadnought = character stratagem be used more than once?
   
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I would've just made a character-dreadnought unit. How does this CP-to-modify-a-unit stuff work? Do you just declare it when you start the game?
   
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 Chris521 wrote:
I'm not completely up to date on the pregame stratagem order. Can the dreadnought = character stratagem be used more than once?


Yes, its used outside of a phase.
   
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ItsPug wrote:
 Chris521 wrote:
I'm not completely up to date on the pregame stratagem order. Can the dreadnought = character stratagem be used more than once?


Yes, its used outside of a phase.

Wait until the FAQ drops two weeks later before you go buying any new dreadnoughts.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
110 pts is absurd. He is worth twice that.


even without his signum array and master of the forge trait he'd be a steal for 110 points

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JSG wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Anyone else getting bored of the continued and seemingly never-ending Marine previews now?

I'm at the stage where I'm ready for anything else.

I hope this psychic awakening thing gets moving soon.


Why even post this? If you're that bored try twiddling your thumbs or counting sheep.


Why is anyone still posting in this topic about things entirely unrelated?

The rumours have virtually been proven false. There are threads for discussing IH and RG releases elsewhere.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Sprue breakdowns are up...Shrike has no alternate head and the helmet is sculpted to his belt. :-s

It does look doable to remove with no real damage, but I'll have to wait until he's in hand to tell for sure. Works for me, as no way in hell am I doing my white recipe over black spray.


The raven sprue upgrade has two i think, but that also includes removing the OTHER helmet on his hip
   
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Gathering the Informations.

It also involves having to hand sculpt all the detail on Shrike's helmet after removing the skull(which is the mark of a captain).
   
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The Eliminator kit is just gorgeous.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
It also involves having to hand sculpt all the detail on Shrike's helmet after removing the skull(which is the mark of a captain).
It should be decently easy to remove the helmet on his hip. I wouldn't worry about it. I have removed hip helmets on literally every model that comes with them save the Phobos Captain(because it was in two parts and it would be a pain in the rear). Worst case scenario, you have to throw a tiny bit of green stuff on the spot it came from. I wouldn't sweat it.

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3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K 2500 pts 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
It also involves having to hand sculpt all the detail on Shrike's helmet after removing the skull(which is the mark of a captain).
It should be decently easy to remove the helmet on his hip. I wouldn't worry about it. I have removed hip helmets on literally every model that comes with them save the Phobos Captain(because it was in two parts and it would be a pain in the rear). Worst case scenario, you have to throw a tiny bit of green stuff on the spot it came from. I wouldn't sweat it.

You'll note that my post was in reply to someone suggesting just using the beakie head from the RG upgrade frame.

Also, surprisingly the Phobos Captain head was a breeze to remove...assuming you do it before you build/paint.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
It also involves having to hand sculpt all the detail on Shrike's helmet after removing the skull(which is the mark of a captain).
It should be decently easy to remove the helmet on his hip. I wouldn't worry about it. I have removed hip helmets on literally every model that comes with them save the Phobos Captain(because it was in two parts and it would be a pain in the rear). Worst case scenario, you have to throw a tiny bit of green stuff on the spot it came from. I wouldn't sweat it.

You'll note that my post was in reply to someone suggesting just using the beakie head from the RG upgrade frame.

Also, surprisingly the Phobos Captain head was a breeze to remove...assuming you do it before you build/paint.
This is true, I was just reiterating that you don't even need to explore using the Upgrade head as an option (and Shrike's helmet has a winged skull, so the other helmet doesn't even work).

I used one of the Imperial Fists upgrade heads on my Phobos Captain instead, looks pretty great, IMO.

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Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
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Is it just me, or is $84AUD for a box of 3 Eliminators just taking the piss? Who is forking out nearly $100 for 3 guys haha. Man, GW is really pushing their prices.

Also the new Primaris characters being $70 is even worse. That’s insane for a single character. Man... I remember when I was laughing at the new Winged Blood Angel Chaplain being $40...

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It really is a make or break moment for me. I've played for long enough where this brutal neverending Marine release is either the most recent Eldar "wait for the next book" meta crushing garbage or the Traitor Legions "Wow! Finally some lore accurate Power and Theme what a wonderful time to be playing... New invalidating edition? WTF? Moment and I don't honestly know which I'd prefer.


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 Tiberius501 wrote:
Is it just me, or is $84AUD for a box of 3 Eliminators just taking the piss?
Sure is.

And yeah, makes the BA Chaplain look positively affordable.

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84 ausd?
So they want how much?

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 Eldarain wrote:
It really is a make or break moment for me. I've played for long enough where this brutal neverending Marine release is either the most recent Eldar "wait for the next book" meta crushing garbage or the Traitor Legions "Wow! Finally some lore accurate Power and Theme what a wonderful time to be playing... New invalidating edition? WTF? Moment and I don't honestly know which I'd prefer.



Talk about skewed perspective, lol.

Dunno, the meta crushing garbage spoiling everyone's game since at least Adepticon, if not before, winning 60-70% of GTs and Majors, frequently the army both players on the top table field, as evidenced with Slaughterfest, etc.., has been Chaos.

And before that, the meta-crushing garbage was Cultist-spam

And before that, the meta-crushing garbage was Smash-Bros

And before that, the meta-crushing garbage was endless poxwalkers

And before that, the meta crushing garbage was Alpha Legion rush

And before that, the meta crushing garbage was brimstone spam

And before that, the meta crushing garbage was Maelific Lords and Big Bird.


If you had a time machine to go back to June 2017 and remove Chaos from 40K 8th edition, about 95% of all balance problems would be solved, lol.







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Sunny Side Up wrote:
But all that stuff looks super broken.

Spoiler:


... Make a Vanguard of shooty dreads characters, even in a soup army.
... make a Leviathan a character and give it the -1 to wound relic or the -1 damage relic and dare your opponent to kill it (cue half-damage strat on top and, if you really wanna go nuts, use scouts as shield drones).
... make an Iron Clad a character (8 wounds) and give it the -1 damage relic next to some leviathans
... 110 point super-techmarine does his 3 damage heal twice


fun stuff all around
No relics allowed on Space Marine vehicles.
   
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Mchagen wrote:


No relics allowed on Space Marine vehicles.


In the Codex? No.

But they were the specific examples used in the Warhammer Preview video.

So either Iron Hands get an exception (30%) or the guy who wrote the Iron Hand supplement didn't know (lets call it 70% ). And in the latter case, they might get FAQed (50% ? ?)
   
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Just saw 2 streams from French Wargame Studio about Iron Hands and Raven Guard and he says that the Salamanders doctrine rumored to be "+1 to hit if you are below 12" and +1 to wound for flamer and fusion weapon." No idea if it's in devastator or tactical doctrine tho.
   
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Oh boy, just had a good laugh - just saw the latest release, 3x Primaris Scout Snipers... I mean, "Eliminators" for £30.

Back in my day you'd get 5 scouts for £15

Well, clearly someone's buying 'em. I'll continue to stick to my other wargames

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30 quid is a fair bit to be fair, but i will still be grabbing a box. The anvil industry black ops sniper is about 12 quid alone, plus all the extra rifles and bits will come in handy.
   
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Psychocouac wrote:
Just saw 2 streams from French Wargame Studio about Iron Hands and Raven Guard and he says that the Salamanders doctrine rumored to be "+1 to hit if you are below 12" and +1 to wound for flamer and fusion weapon." No idea if it's in devastator or tactical doctrine tho.


I like that. Are there any clips of this stream on youtube or something?

 
   
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+1 to hit if less than 12" makes my assault squads & termies happy. Tac squads & the like are +1 in RF range. same goes for assault hellblasters/intercessors/reivers/infiltrators.

the +1 to wound for flame/melta is great if true. w dev doctrine my Deimos pred w infernus/magnamelta hauling ass up the board should be cool.

What we really need is more range on flame & melta. if it was +3" to range of flame & +6" for melta, i would take that over + to hit for either. Maybe always in MM range?

but we'll see whenever GW decides to release the 18th supplement.
   
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That Phobos Lt. once again shows that nobody in the design team seems to know how smoke grenades are used.

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I heard that the eliminators might be able to be split into 6 dudes if using infil bodies to bolster
   
 
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