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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
We know that every single faction is going to get an update with this campaign. Some updates will be rules only, some will be models and rules.

Given this I think it's very unlikely that every single aspect warrior and Phoenix lord sculpt gets redone. This isn't an Eldar only campaign.

I think new banshees and Jain Zar are a given, and perhaps another aspect at most for craftworld. Maybe a new avatar too. Then we'll see possibly one model for Drukhari or Harlies or maybe one or two for Ynnari. That's the most I think we should expect. There's every chance the release sees only new Banshees and Jain Zar.

The new rules are interesting to me, particularly given what GW have just done with the SM codex. Perhaps this will be an opportunity to roll a few supplements for the Eldar factions into one book.

maybe but it sounds like this campaign is going to be BIIG, consider the size of the CSM update in vigilius ablaze. we got new CSMs, new havoks, a new abaddon, new terminators, a terrain piece, 2 new HQs, 1 new HQ/Deamon Engine, if eldar got a similer release they could easily get plastics of all 6 aspect warriors.

 Overread wrote:
It might be like Warcry though - one faction is the core focus, others get things now and then along the way too. Marketing wise its GW likely realising that there are ways to pay attention to factions beyond releasing new models for them and that when there are periods where they don't release models for a faction for a prolonged period, its still important for them to keep their marketing on that faction all the same.

That would be a good thing, focusing on the faction that has the least amount of updates whilst at the same time not ignoring the rest of the game.

It could be like this, yea.

I don't think it'd be a good thing though. I don't want GW to put all of their resources into Eldar, I want them to split their resources evenly between all of the different factions.

I don't feel from the marketing so far that this campaign has a particular focus on Eldar over any other faction. Could be wrong but I'd be surprised.


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BrianDavion wrote:

maybe but it sounds like this campaign is going to be BIIG, consider the size of the CSM update in vigilius ablaze. we got new CSMs, new havoks, a new abaddon, new terminators, a terrain piece, 2 new HQs, 1 new HQ/Deamon Engine, if eldar got a similer release they could easily get plastics of all 6 aspect warriors.

Vigilus Ablaze is a campaign book focused entirely on Chaos though?

This campaign has (as far as we've been told) no specific faction focus.

The complete lack of rules previews makes me think there isn't much to preview on that front.

 godswildcard wrote:

And then of course there is all the Dark Eldar stuff that still needs plastic kits.

Dark Eldar doesn't need plastic kits it needs some more sodding models.

They've spent the last 3 editions stripping more and more units from the codex and have yet to put even a single one back.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It might be like Warcry though - one faction is the core focus, others get things now and then along the way too. Marketing wise its GW likely realising that there are ways to pay attention to factions beyond releasing new models for them and that when there are periods where they don't release models for a faction for a prolonged period, its still important for them to keep their marketing on that faction all the same.

That would be a good thing, focusing on the faction that has the least amount of updates whilst at the same time not ignoring the rest of the game.

It could be like this, yea.

I don't think it'd be a good thing though. I don't want GW to put all of their resources into Eldar, I want them to split their resources evenly between all of the different factions.

I don't feel from the marketing so far that this campaign has a particular focus on Eldar over any other faction. Could be wrong but I'd be surprised.


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BrianDavion wrote:

maybe but it sounds like this campaign is going to be BIIG, consider the size of the CSM update in vigilius ablaze. we got new CSMs, new havoks, a new abaddon, new terminators, a terrain piece, 2 new HQs, 1 new HQ/Deamon Engine, if eldar got a similer release they could easily get plastics of all 6 aspect warriors.

Vigilus Ablaze is a campaign book focused entirely on Chaos though?

This campaign has (as far as we've been told) no specific faction focus.

Gotta agree.
Nothing is pointing towards an Eldar campaign, they just showed one.

All that Chaos stuff, half Vigilus, half the new Chaos book coming after. So it could just be because that was coming out.


If the Eldar book comes out then maybe yeah.

Depends just how long this campaign is (5+ books at least I would guess)

GW has been very clear that its not an Eldar only thing - I'm just saying that I feel Eldar should "dominate" for a good while in the early releases of new models. It would make sense because new Banshees would spark interest in Eldar which is going to translate into more people getting interested in that army far more so now that its getting fresh model attention. So it would make full sense to release more for them than the other factions; esp since the other races are actually all doing rather well for new models and fairly up to date lines.


Eldar are the outliers in the 40K line-up of the major factions at present (at least so far as we forget that Kroot exist). Eldar doesn't need a new book, they just need the models.

And yeah that's a good point that there's a slew of Chaos new models to get individual releases - a way to mix them into this event and get "new" stuff out without it being "new"

The Aeldari lines, except for Harlequins, are some of the largest remaining resin factions so if they are serious about facing out as much resin as they can I can imagine they might give Aeldari some TLC. I think the Drukhari line alone has 14 resin kits left. I at least expect(I know, I am optimistic) plastic Grotesques as that would finish the core Covens leaving Urien as the only resin.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It might be like Warcry though - one faction is the core focus, others get things now and then along the way too. Marketing wise its GW likely realising that there are ways to pay attention to factions beyond releasing new models for them and that when there are periods where they don't release models for a faction for a prolonged period, its still important for them to keep their marketing on that faction all the same.

That would be a good thing, focusing on the faction that has the least amount of updates whilst at the same time not ignoring the rest of the game.

It could be like this, yea.

I don't think it'd be a good thing though. I don't want GW to put all of their resources into Eldar, I want them to split their resources evenly between all of the different factions.

I don't feel from the marketing so far that this campaign has a particular focus on Eldar over any other faction. Could be wrong but I'd be surprised.


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BrianDavion wrote:

maybe but it sounds like this campaign is going to be BIIG, consider the size of the CSM update in vigilius ablaze. we got new CSMs, new havoks, a new abaddon, new terminators, a terrain piece, 2 new HQs, 1 new HQ/Deamon Engine, if eldar got a similer release they could easily get plastics of all 6 aspect warriors.

Vigilus Ablaze is a campaign book focused entirely on Chaos though?

This campaign has (as far as we've been told) no specific faction focus.

yeah except this isn't a single book. this is like Gathering Storm in that it's several campaign books, and the first one sounds like it might be all about eldar.

Removed - BrookM

You know who else is sometimes referred to as a Phoenix and would love to murder Eldar? Fulgrim. I doubt it would happen, but "trying to birth a god that will starve out Slaanesh" seems like a good reason to deploy a Daemon primarch and excessive amounts of forces. On the flip side, a Slaaneshi Daemon Primarch and his forces would be a big enough deal to force the Eldar's hand. Imperial forces will not like to hear that the guy who shanked their newly resurrected primarch has made a return. Necrons and Eldar are ancient enemies. The Tau are probably still pretty salty over their last cultural exchange with the Dark Eldar. Tyranids really don't need a reason. Everything can center around the Eldar allowing them to push new model lines while giving things to each faction.

 Overread wrote:
GW has been very clear that its not an Eldar only thing - I'm just saying that I feel Eldar should "dominate" for a good while in the early releases of new models. It would make sense because new Banshees would spark interest in Eldar which is going to translate into more people getting interested in that army far more so now that its getting fresh model attention. So it would make full sense to release more for them than the other factions; esp since the other races are actually all doing rather well for new models and fairly up to date lines.


Eldar are the outliers in the 40K line-up of the major factions at present (at least so far as we forget that Kroot exist). Eldar doesn't need a new book, they just need the models.

And yeah that's a good point that there's a slew of Chaos new models to get individual releases - a way to mix them into this event and get "new" stuff out without it being "new"

Eldar should not dominate. No faction should. There should be releases for all factions equally (probably excluding SM and CSM that have just received new models).

And surely if they release models for ANY faction it sparks interest in said faction? Add in that there are plenty of factions with critical, old, finecast models and many that lost options because 'no model no rules' bs.

As you said at the beginning of your post - GW have made it clear this is not an Eldar only event - speaking as someone who got all kinds of salty over 'Orktober', would adjust your expectations accordingly.


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BrianDavion wrote:


yeah except this isn't a single book. this is like Gathering Storm in that it's several campaign books, and the first one sounds like it might be all about eldar.

How many lines were updated as part of Gathering Storm? That was triumvirate models if I recall. Not entire lines.

As far as I know, GW haven't actually given any kind of timescale for this "event"? So there's nothing inherently incompatible between "initial focus on Eldar to refresh their range" and "every faction gets some focus over the course of the campign".

I'm not arguing that it will happen, but nothing I've seen GW say so far prevents it from happening, and unless they're planning to squat all but one or two Aspects it seems a bit odd to commit to a very faithful update of Banshees in plastic only to then leave the other five sitting there in finecast.

It's kind of funny to see all the hate that Eldar get. Yes, their army currently lends itself to certain abuses, but frankly that's no different than other armies in the game. I'd hate to see people speak poorly of other players or wish ill of an army potentially getting new models just because Matt Ward wrote those bonkers rules that one time (just like he did with WHFB demons and 40K Grey Knights).

And no, I don't play Eldar, but if they get plastic aspects and Pheonix Lords, it will be much more difficult for me to not play Eldar as I love their background, aesthetic and the 'right tool for the right job' approach they have in the army, even if you NEVER see that on a table-top!

As a rule I'd agree, most of what I read from this user is relentlessly negative and critical. Either of the product if they don't like it, or other people if they do and anyone dares to voice an opinion otherwise.

But.

Someone relentlessly playing Wave Serpent spam, and repeatedly refusing to play anything else at all, ever, despite being asked by people who were largely looking for casual fun games, was the straw that broke this camel's back when it came to 40K. On one occasion he used Marines and had a tantrum when his very badly constructed list (ie of his own construction and not netlisted) got smashed by a very tepid Daemons list

While I don't regret leaving it behind and am happy with my gaming, what he describes does exist in the wild, because I've seen it.

Yeah, but is bagging anonymously on some guy relevant to this release or this thread? Then take it elsewhere.

 Azreal13 wrote:
As a rule I'd agree, most of what I read from this user is relentlessly negative and critical. Either of the product if they don't like it, or other people if they do and anyone dares to voice an opinion otherwise.

But.

Someone relentlessly playing Wave Serpent spam, and repeatedly refusing to play anything else at all, ever, despite being asked by people who were largely looking for casual fun games, was the straw that broke this camel's back when it came to 40K. On one occasion he used Marines and had a tantrum when his very badly constructed list (ie of his own construction and not netlisted) got smashed by a very tepid Daemons list

While I don't regret leaving it behind and am happy with my gaming, what he describes does exist in the wild, because I've seen it.

There are no toxic factions, only toxic players. People shouldn't judge all players of one faction because of the poor etiquette of another. I've been playing since 1997 and haven't found the Eldar player base to be any more toxic than that of any other faction.

If you encounter a toxic player simply stop playing them until they change their ways.

Anyway back on topic, I really hope that Plastic Banshees are a sign of things to come and that following them the other Aspects, Phonenix Lords and The Avatar of Khaine get some much needed attention.

I also don't get people suggesting things. There is zero information from the PR material been given. It's more a hype campaign rather than an actual release. Also GW track record so far is terrible making new rules that are invalidated after and/or before release.

Per the Psychic Awakening map, referring to the Eldar. "These factions have become embroiled in a full-scale internecine war for the future of their people." Besides that sentence?

I'll make an educated guess that the first book will focus on the Eldar, or, Aeldari. I'm hoping they redo the remaining Failcrap in plastic for both Craftworlds and Drukhari.

Calling it for next year. Dark Angels vs Fallen in a campaign sequence with new DA codex, new Gravis for Deathwing and Fallen.

Hey, wait a second, wasn't there supposed to be a Vigilus 3 book at some point? That needs to come out first, otherwise it's just confusing to have two campaigns intertwined.

Nope. Confirmed as a two parter for that campaign.

But I would absolutely rule out a return there at some point, given it’s the New Cadia

Phoenix rising? It would make sense for the Eldar internecine conflict to be fanned by Slaanesh, and that would be a good place for Fulgrim and Emperor's Children to get a release.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nope. Confirmed as a two parter for that campaign.

But I would absolutely rule out a return there at some point, given it’s the New Cadia

Maybe, but Vigilus also kind of had a "season finale" feel to it. Basically, Dark Millennium was Season 1, ending in Vigilus to then give us 8th Ed Season 2 in Psychic Awakening which will be a lot more episodic than Dark Millennium was.

Gramatically, "phoenix rising" indicate just one phoenix rising.
Also, if it refered to Fulgim it ought to say "the Poenix rising" because it refer to a uniqe and specific phoenix.

But then again, there is alvays poetical freedom in these thngs.
Although, in the video, the Inquisitor has the specific Banshee rune burning above the book.

By the way. The video is told from the perspective of a specific Inquisitor who is clearly deeply involved with the big events of the galaxy. If we are grasping for straws here, we might as well hold that as a promise of new "imperial agents" in tis campaign.

 Fayric wrote:
Gramatically, "phoenix rising" indicate just one phoenix rising.
Also, if it refered to Fulgim it ought to say "the Poenix rising" because it refer to a uniqe and specific phoenix.

I'm curious if that means we're only getting Jain Zar ( for now), or if GW are going to retcon Phoenix Lords into a single unit. That would save them making 5+ unique special character models that would have limited sales.

I think that would make a lot of people incandescent with rage. I mean just look at the hate put there for the new marine models, and GW has deliberately not retired the older marines. If they remove a load of really cool special characters from the narrative at a stroke I think there would be a lot of unhappiness in the existing player base.

Also they put out a special commisar in plastic, and if there is anything more niche than that it's hard to say.

 Flinty wrote:
I think that would make a lot of people incandescent with rage. I mean just look at the hate put there for the new marine models, and GW has deliberately not retired the older marines. If they remove a load of really cool special characters from the narrative at a stroke I think there would be a lot of unhappiness in the existing player base.

Also they put out a special commisar in plastic, and if there is anything more niche than that it's hard to say.

I don't think they'll do it eaither but GW might figure they can get away with it for a line that is less popular then Marines, even though I'd be willing to bet Eldar are the most popular xenos army.

Exactly. And if anything the Eldar are the most iconic 40k race. The plot develop.ent and effort into the background and concept are probably the most advanced of any, possibly even the Imperium.

In a world where a Black Marine and a Black Marine With Silver Hand apparently require different rules, it's hard to see GW rolling Phoenix Lords together.

 Flinty wrote:
Exactly. And if anything the Eldar are the most iconic 40k race. The plot develop.ent and effort into the background and concept are probably the most advanced of any, possibly even the Imperium.

err yeaah no. the most iconic race in 40k is the Space Marine. thats not even really up for debate

No it's the ork!