Psychic Awakening N&R - FAQs p.183.

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**Carnikang**

I find it odd that Scything talons of all variants aren't allowed to be classified together for a Hive Fleet Trait. Pity.

Guess it's back to Kraken and Kronos.

**Gadzilla666**

Was hoping for an explanation of how the "flay them alive " strategem worked with atsknf but I guess they're still working that out.

But at least red butchers can be used on characters.

**Mr Morden**

Brian888 wrote:
MiguelFelstone wrote:
Psychic Awakening: A Promise Fulfilled

I swear they are trolling us now.

LOL! At least it's a good story. I've never seen a CSM seem quite so...reasonable.

Andy clark is one my fav 40k writers

**Voss**

Brian888 wrote:
MiguelFelstone wrote:
Psychic Awakening: A Promise Fulfilled

I swear they are trolling us now.

LOL! At least it's a good story. I've never seen a CSM seem quite so...reasonable.

He seems to have some rather severe blinders on. There are points where he seems to realize what's actually going on, but talks himself out of it.
There's also some other indicators that he isn't as wise and knowledgeable as he wants to think. For all that's he internally monologing about the ignorance of others, he happily accepts that each arrival is exactly the right number and unironically accepts the idea of 'freshly reblessed' fuel hoses.

**AlmightyWalrus**

At least they answered whether or not BT can use the IF stuff.

**GoatboyBeta**

Voss wrote:

He seems to have some rather severe blinders on. There are points where he seems to realize what's actually going on, but talks himself out of it.
There's also some other indicators that he isn't as wise and knowledgeable as he wants to think. For all that's he internally monologing about the ignorance of others, he happily accepts that each arrival is exactly the right number and unironically accepts the idea of 'freshly reblessed' fuel hoses.

I think overestimating there own wisdom is something of a 1k sons trait though

I do like that it shows in there own deluded way the Sons still think they are doing the right thing.

**BorderCountess**

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Voss wrote:

He seems to have some rather severe blinders on. There are points where he seems to realize what's actually going on, but talks himself out of it.
There's also some other indicators that he isn't as wise and knowledgeable as he wants to think. For all that's he internally monologing about the ignorance of others, he happily accepts that each arrival is exactly the right number and unironically accepts the idea of 'freshly reblessed' fuel hoses.

I think overestimating there own wisdom is something of a 1k sons trait though I do like that it shows in there own deluded way the Sons still think they are doing the right thing.

Well, if the Emperor had waited, like, 30 seconds to hear Magnus out, none of this would've happened.

**kodos**

the Emperor did listen to him, but did not believed him after he was manipulated by Chaos to open a portal for daemons to enter Terra and destroyed the new webway

**BrianDavion**

xttz wrote:
Blood of Baal and Faith & Fury FAQs up.

If you expected any of the ambigiously-worded Tyranid rules to be decided in their favour, then lol.

just as importantly

We have received a number of questions
asking if, as a successor Chapter of the Imperial Fists, the
Black Templars benefit from both the Knights of Sigismund
and Legacy of Dorn rules (and whether they get access to the
Imperial Fists’ Warlord traits, Stratagems, psychic powers and
Relics etc. in addition to the Black Templars ones presented in
Faith and Fury). To be clear, although the Black Templars are
an Imperial Fists successor Chapter, they deviate significantly
from its tactics and doctrines, and as such we have provided a
bespoke, dedicated set of rules to represent them on the tabletop
in Faith & Fury. They cannot make use of any of the rules
found in Codex Supplement: Imperial Fists.

(emphisis mine)

seriously how anyone expected anything other then that baffles me.

**pm713**

kodos wrote:
the Emperor did listen to him, but did not believed him after he was manipulated by Chaos to open a portal for daemons to enter Terra and destroyed the new webway

I might be misrembering but as I recall Magnus broke into the Throne room, went up to the Emperor (metaphorically) then realised what he'd done and the spell broke because he couldn't both concentrate and freak out he'd ruined dads plan.

**Crimson**

BrianDavion wrote:

seriously how anyone expected anything other then that baffles me.

I don't think anyone was expecting anything else, but before this the rules definitely gave them both sets of rules. It is good that they clearly stated that this is no the case.

**Voss**

Crimson wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

seriously how anyone expected anything other then that baffles me.

I don't think anyone was expecting anything else, but before this the rules definitely gave them both sets of rules. It is good that they clearly stated that this is no the case.

Yep. It really should have been errata for the IF supplement quite a while ago. Or possibly in the main SM rules about ambiguous or multiple possible parent chapters/rule sets.
But it did need to be stated.

**Kdash**

Voss wrote:
Brian888 wrote:
MiguelFelstone wrote:
Psychic Awakening: A Promise Fulfilled

I swear they are trolling us now.

LOL! At least it's a good story. I've never seen a CSM seem quite so...reasonable.

He seems to have some rather severe blinders on. There are points where he seems to realize what's actually going on, but talks himself out of it.
There's also some other indicators that he isn't as wise and knowledgeable as he wants to think. For all that's he internally monologing about the ignorance of others, he happily accepts that each arrival is exactly the right number and unironically accepts the idea of 'freshly reblessed' fuel hoses.

I must admit, as a Thousand Sons fan and player, I found that story pretty poor to read if I’m honest.
The only thing of substance I gleaned from the story was that there are a lot of ships arriving to Prospero, always with 10 aspirants on board, of which 1 gets turned into part of the beacons flame. I also have no idea why there are so many “Imperial” references in the story. From praying to the machine spirits to open the doors, to “blessed” fuel hoses.

Maybe it’s just me being tired, but it felt like I had to force myself to carry on reading to the end.

**NinthMusketeer**

It links to an earlier short story where the two civilians join up, I am guessing this short story is a bridge to another that will be more conclusive.

**kodos**

pm713 wrote:
kodos wrote:
the Emperor did listen to him, but did not believed him after he was manipulated by Chaos to open a portal for daemons to enter Terra and destroyed the new webway

I might be misrembering but as I recall Magnus broke into the Throne room, went up to the Emperor (metaphorically) then realised what he'd done and the spell broke because he couldn't both concentrate and freak out he'd ruined dads plan.

it was mentioned in on of the other books that Magnus delivered his initial message about Horus but it was taken as blaming someone else of a greater betrayal to justify his actions.

**xeen**

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2020/01/ritual-of-damned-rumored-information.html

Don't know if this is true, but since there are like no rumors on this I though I would post the link. take with epic levels of salt

**quickfuze**

Summoning bonuses are useless as long as you have to reserve points for them, you might as well just buy the unit and not play down. I dont think units should be free, but they really need to adopt an AoS style system where you earn points by accomplishing tasks and then can spend them on summoned units.

**Brometheus**

If having a Tzeentch detachment breaks Cults of Prospero Resurrected (if its a thing), bet your butt I'll be ditching my Tz battalion detachment and just summoning Horrors and Flamers.

**BoomWolf**

I take this rumor to the salt mine, its practically identical to what some people (myself included) has written down as pure guesswork on this very thread.

The fact it would create a bookeeping nightmare furthers the fact its dubious.

**MiguelFelstone**

BoomWolf wrote:
I take this rumor to the salt mine, its practically identical to what some people (myself included) has written down as pure guesswork on this very thread.

The fact it would create a bookeeping nightmare furthers the fact its dubious.

I'm waiting to see what Grey Knights get, by far the worst faction in the game, and the buff only applies to MONO GKs, so unless it's akin to the leak or better it won't change anything.

**NinthMusketeer**

quickfuze wrote:
Summoning bonuses are useless as long as you have to reserve points for them, you might as well just buy the unit and not play down. I dont think units should be free, but they really need to adopt an AoS style system where you earn points by accomplishing tasks and then can spend them on summoned units.

The AoS style systems are about 80% imbalanced and 20% good, because 80% of the armies more or less get summoning mechanics in addition to their normal ones as a free (or nearly so) upgrade. It isn't like GW nerfs other parts of the army to compensate. I understand the frustration of reserve points, but having played both sides I found the reserve points to be better in practice due to GWs ineptitude at balancing game mechanics.

**BrianDavion**

MiguelFelstone wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
I take this rumor to the salt mine, its practically identical to what some people (myself included) has written down as pure guesswork on this very thread.

The fact it would create a bookeeping nightmare furthers the fact its dubious.

I'm waiting to see what Grey Knights get, by far the worst faction in the game, and the buff only applies to MONO GKs, so unless it's akin to the leak or better it won't change anything.

well if GKs get additional spells and some juicy strats that'd IMHO be pretty key.

**H.B.M.C.**

I still think GW is so afraid of the way summoning could bring legions of unpaid for units to the table in previous editions that they (as usual) swung the pendulum far too hard in the opposite direction.

**cuda1179**

I always thought summoning daemons should be free points, but count as a psychic action. Perhaps make it work like Smite, in that you can "cast" it several times per turn, it just gets harder each time. Also, the larger the summoned unit, the harder to cast.

**NinthMusketeer**

Unfortunately the nature of GW is they cannot currently be trusted to balance 0-point summons. They cannot even be trusted to balance the original point cost of the units being summoned!

**Drudge Dreadnought**

They could bring back Dimensional Instability to help balance summoning.

The other option would be that summoning is just a way to deploy already bought units. That would be useful if daemons didn't already have ways to deepstrike themselves, or if it could get around some of the deepstrike restrictions. It'd be worth having to do the psychic test for an already paid for unit if you could bring them in within 3" of enemy units or something.

**Sunny Side Up**

Not even sure why it would matter.

GW's ability of finding the correct balance aside, balancing the mechanic with one limited resource (points) instead of another limited resource (psychic actions, bought indirectly through points spend on psykers) doesn't seem like much of a difference IMO.

**Jidmah**

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
They could bring back Dimensional Instability to help balance summoning.

The other option would be that summoning is just a way to deploy already bought units. That would be useful if daemons didn't already have ways to deepstrike themselves, or if it could get around some of the deepstrike restrictions. It'd be worth having to do the psychic test for an already paid for unit if you could bring them in within 3" of enemy units or something.

Just removing the need to appear near the summoner would already make it decent. It's would basically be Da Jump for daemons.

**Gadzilla666**

Jidmah wrote:
Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
They could bring back Dimensional Instability to help balance summoning.

The other option would be that summoning is just a way to deploy already bought units. That would be useful if daemons didn't already have ways to deepstrike themselves, or if it could get around some of the deepstrike restrictions. It'd be worth having to do the psychic test for an already paid for unit if you could bring them in within 3" of enemy units or something.

Just removing the need to appear near the summoner would already make it decent. It's would basically be Da Jump for daemons.

That would probably make it worth it even with having to pay for the daemons.

Is this how the cults work in hh? Making every psyker a different cult sounds like a lot of book keeping to keep track of.

**Spoletta**

Summoning demons surely has its advantages, not last the fact that you can tailor to the situtation. Problem is that it is tied to a char which needs to sacrifice movement, and then appears close to that char, so you have some serious limits on the placement of those demons. If some of those restrictions were lifted, i could see them being used even with reinforcement points still in place.