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 bullyboy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
If it's just DA, BA, SW, DW, GK marine changes, I'd be fine with that.

If PA3 is basically Codex Blood Angels - why would they duplicate this in CA 2019?

it is my understanding that PA3 is just rules changes and the odd new datasheet. I would strongly doubt that they would have full points for BAs. That's for the codex (which will still be valid) and CA adjusts to that.

This book is part lore, part double-pronged codex update, and all awesome! Inside, you’ll see the Blood Angels face the Tyranids once more as part of their desperate ongoing defence of their homeworld. New and updated datasheets give your Blood Angels access to extra army rules, Vanguard units, Stratagems, psychic powers, Litanies and more! There’s even some extra stuff for Flesh Tearers fans – ideal if you like your Blood Angels successors extra bloody

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Oh and apparently they chuck Tyranids a few crumbs.

Read the next freaking paragraph, people:

That’s not all. The Tyranids are getting some very exciting updates to help you bring this army to life on the tabletop as never before. Extra bio-artefacts allow you to create particularly notable gribblies armed with unique and terrifying weapons. A suite of Stratagems let you change your strategy on the battlefield to better hunt your prey. You’ll even be able to build your own hive fleet with your choice of traits. And that’s not all…

Adaptive Physiology is a new system, bespoke for the Tyranids, that lets you represent the myriad adaptations of the Great Devourer. A Carnifex with Synapse? A pack of camouflaged Tyranid Warriors? It’s all possible thanks to Psychic Awakening. We’ll be previewing these systems in more depth soon, so stay tuned!

Read the article in full before commenting?

This heretical idea will never catch on, alextroy.

We can dream, JohnnyHell, we can dream.

So maybee we get build a nid back!
I like it

 alextroy wrote:
Read the next freaking paragraph, people:

That’s not all. The Tyranids are getting some very exciting updates to help you bring this army to life on the tabletop as never before. Extra bio-artefacts allow you to create particularly notable gribblies armed with unique and terrifying weapons. A suite of Stratagems let you change your strategy on the battlefield to better hunt your prey. You’ll even be able to build your own hive fleet with your choice of traits. And that’s not all…

Adaptive Physiology is a new system, bespoke for the Tyranids, that lets you represent the myriad adaptations of the Great Devourer. A Carnifex with Synapse? A pack of camouflaged Tyranid Warriors? It’s all possible thanks to Psychic Awakening. We’ll be previewing these systems in more depth soon, so stay tuned!

I'm not sure who this is being directed to, but if it's me, then I did read the article. Read my comment.

I remember "Build-a-Nid" from 3rd Ed.

Basically you took as few different species as possible (Tyrant, 'Fex & Gaunts) to maximise the amount of weapon beasts (READ: Rending Claws) you could take in Gaunt units.

It wouldint surprise me if the nid stuff is Chaos PA grade in terms of content. But therein lies the problem, compare the chaos to BT side of the book and you see a pattern.. Hence suggesting the Nid/SM sides of the book will not be equal in terms of content..

It would make sense for it to be really good considering the new nid battle force looks real good value for money.
I hope it is. And if I didn't have a big pile of shame already and still building my current force id really consider jumping into nids which is my first love/ 40k army

Well a combination of what Eldar and CSM got seems nice for Nids. Could be the best PA book for a non SM faction.

Darsath wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Read the next freaking paragraph, people:

That’s not all. The Tyranids are getting some very exciting updates to help you bring this army to life on the tabletop as never before. Extra bio-artefacts allow you to create particularly notable gribblies armed with unique and terrifying weapons. A suite of Stratagems let you change your strategy on the battlefield to better hunt your prey. You’ll even be able to build your own hive fleet with your choice of traits. And that’s not all…

Adaptive Physiology is a new system, bespoke for the Tyranids, that lets you represent the myriad adaptations of the Great Devourer. A Carnifex with Synapse? A pack of camouflaged Tyranid Warriors? It’s all possible thanks to Psychic Awakening. We’ll be previewing these systems in more depth soon, so stay tuned!

I'm not sure who this is being directed to, but if it's me, then I did read the article. Read my comment.

Not you Darsath, the people moaning that Tyranids are getting nothing worth talking about. It may all be bad, but it certainly is going to be more than PA1 gave it's factions.

Any chance that the Kill Team daemon rules will appear in it?

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Any chance that the Kill Team daemon rules will appear in it?

Highly doubt they would put KT rules in a 40k CA book..

If anything it might be in the Kill Team annual 2019 advertised along side CA books.

Darsath wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
The thing with Space Marine drops, it may not be on units currently spammed. Maybe its Land Raider, or storm Raven, or DA, BA, SW drops. These would hardly change things currently, at least not for the worse.

This is what I think. I still doubt these rumours though, since it would certainly leave a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths around the holiday season.

Are players with old marines armies not allowed to celebrate?

Based on the timings its kind of weird that marines would get any major points changes as the CA book should have been in the pipeline similar time to codex 2.0.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Any chance that the Kill Team daemon rules will appear in it?

Nah, you'd most likely see that in the $12.00 advertisement

I mean, "White Dwarf".

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Any chance that the Kill Team daemon rules will appear in it?

Nah, you'd most likely see that in the $12.00 advertisement

I mean, "White Dwarf".

Might want to examine your post here mate, it's rather self-defeating logic...

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Any chance that the Kill Team daemon rules will appear in it?

There is this "Killteam Annual" Book though, basically CA for Killteam. They could be in there

So, I'm not sure if anybody else knows more, but my friend who works in printing pointed out that softback books of this style tend to take less lead time to print and bind.

I imagined that would be the case, but it was good to hear it's a possibility. Would help separate the timelines between all the other things that need to go into the CA book and points changes, which, if my friend is correct, could mean they would be free to print later than they have in the past.

 Argive wrote:
So they couldn't just have a section of the book dedicated to points changes. We obviously needed another book.
Fudge me, someone over there really few sandwiches short of a picnic...

FB page clarified both books will cost the same as previous years CA right ? I'm at work so cant really check myself.

AoS started by printing all points instead of just changes. 40k players were expecting the same with the first CA but didn't get it and, rightfully, complained.
2 years later they are listening.

AoS moved to 2 books instead of 1 to make it easier, you don't need missions when writing your list and you don't need points while playing. AoS players were happy about it.
40k is following that style.

Now if only they had updated the new mini rulebook with all changes like the AoS book did....

ps.
Any rumour containing generic SM point changes is fake as hell. Did you learn nothing from the last 2 CA's?

This was just posted on the french 40k forum.



Before everyone freaks out, don't forget the possibility that 'space marines' could refer to the BA/DA/DW/GK/SW codexes

We've seen that rumour on here for a couple days now. I'm going to continue to doubt it's legitimacy though until we see strong evidence. Mostly because I don't want them to be true to be honest, but also the likelihood that people will spread false rumours.

I just got confirmation from independent sellers Chapter books remain same price and are sold together.

Also same price for KT annual book and Primaris price for Mephiston if someone doubted it.

 xttz wrote:
This was just posted on the french 40k forum.



Before everyone freaks out, don't forget the possibility that 'space marines' could refer to the BA/DA/DW/GK/SW codexes

That's already been seen, on B&C before the announce of two books. So again, anyone that didn't mention two books is a BS rumour in my mind. Also this just looks like a list designed to annoy everyone.

I do also agree that the “general point reduction” will most likely be all the stuff vanilla marines saw drop in their new codex but for DA/BA/SW/etc.

Are they gonna release this weekend or is the on pre-order?

 Emicrania wrote:
Are they gonna release this weekend or is the on pre-order?

Pre-order this weekend.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I do also agree that the “general point reduction” will most likely be all the stuff vanilla marines saw drop in their new codex but for DA/BA/SW/etc.

But do you need insider-information for Dark Angels Tac Marines going down to 12 points? That‘s about as probable as the CA19 having the GW logo on it.

If anything, it would be a scoop worth throwing to the public if this DOESN‘T happen.



Also, the rumours came with the explicit comment that there were somehow separate teams working in GW that failed to communicate about Space Marine points, with the one working on CA somehow believing the new Codex/supplements wouldn't cut it and they needed to address the issue independently (and without talking to) the guys (and girls?) working on the new Marine rules. That implies insider information in the sense of having actually talked to people in the room, not just having peaked at pages with points on them, and certainly doesn't fit the "oh we meant Blood Angels after all" misdirect.

If anything, if the CA19 were to bring BA/DA/SW/etc.. points in line with the Codex Marines, wouldn't that disprove the rumour that there were separate teams that didn't communicate working on these books?

Yeah, vanilla marines ain't going down. What they will do is stomp flat any unit that could hope to compete with the new space marine BS.

If big meks, mek gunz, shield drones, riptides, grots, talos, both cwe flyers, kelermorph and acolytes don't get an absolute shellacking I'll eat my hat.

Big Meks?

 Jidmah wrote:
Big Meks?

For sure, people are taking them in tournament lists. Not marine unit in tournament list bad, need 30% nerf!

Lemondish wrote:
So, I'm not sure if anybody else knows more, but my friend who works in printing pointed out that softback books of this style tend to take less lead time to print and bind.

I imagined that would be the case, but it was good to hear it's a possibility. Would help separate the timelines between all the other things that need to go into the CA book and points changes, which, if my friend is correct, could mean they would be free to print later than they have in the past.

What changes the lead time is colour or B&W, and Far East or European printing (Italy/Poland most likely).

My guess is that they print Codexes in the Far East, and CA in Europe.