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They recently announced the OBR vs Eightpoints campaign book too, which I'm pretty excited for due to that factor.

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Teclis look to be in great shape!
Dare we hope he is even smaller than Alarielle?
I always enjoyed the thing about him beeing the nerdy asthmatic brother while Tyrion beeing the proverbial jock, dating the everqueen and everything.

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Well. Was huge fan of high elves and they are my first ever warhammer(of either kind) army but this one doesn't tingle me yet.

Maybe actual troops appeal more. So far not getting "start an army" vibe.

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High elves without hands the size of their heads would be nice.
Always liked the range but the troops really put me off.
   
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Not a fan of gods taking to the field of battle personally. But I 'm really interested to see what the faction as a whole looks like.
   
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Not a High Elf player, but that design is pretty great. Maybe my Morathi needs a mate...


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I'm actually incredibly excited for this release. I've always been a Teclis fan (even if he's been a bit of a knob over the years) and High Elves have always been one of my favorite fantasy armies.

Hopefully the troops look great, get some decent variety, and some GOOD ranged options!

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
 Sacredroach wrote:
Not a High Elf player, but that design is pretty great. Maybe my Morathi needs a mate...


No man in their right mind would ever be alone with Morathi.


I guess it could be argued that Malekith wasn't in his right mind...

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With that helmet maybe they will go a more samurai theme with high elves. I would be down with that.

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
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Not a High Elf player, but that design is pretty great. Maybe my Morathi needs a mate...


No man in their right mind would ever be alone with Morathi.


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Not a fan of gods taking to the field of battle personally. But I 'm really interested to see what the faction as a whole looks like.


I’m curious at what point we get Sigmar himself since everyone else seems to get their gods on the board.

 
   
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I’m curious at what point we get Sigmar himself since everyone else seems to get their gods on the board.
A few tweaks to his weapons and a splash of gold paint and he'll do.

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 AduroT wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Not a fan of gods taking to the field of battle personally. But I 'm really interested to see what the faction as a whole looks like.


I’m curious at what point we get Sigmar himself since everyone else seems to get their gods on the board.


There’s varying levels of gods in AoS.
Teclis, morathi, everqueen etc are just minor ones.
Sigmar himself is a lot higher up.
I honestly don’t think we’d ever see the major gods hit the table as the rules would be beyond stupid for them.

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I would have thought that would keep Nagash off the board. Or have they explained that as being avatars of his will or some such?

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 Eldarain wrote:
I would have thought that would keep Nagash off the board. Or have they explained that as being avatars of his will or some such?


He’s still a god by most rights, but still a minor one.

Sigmar, Gork/Mork, the 4 chaos gods etc are far above him.
It’s just that Nagash seems to be the only god they really have, there’s no huge god backing them like most others have.
   
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Jackal90 wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
I would have thought that would keep Nagash off the board. Or have they explained that as being avatars of his will or some such?


He’s still a god by most rights, but still a minor one.

Sigmar, Gork/Mork, the 4 chaos gods etc are far above him.
It’s just that Nagash seems to be the only god they really have, there’s no huge god backing them like most others have.


That’s not my understanding. I see it more like the Greek pantheon. Sigmar Nagash Malerion Allarielle Teclis and GorkaMorka are all the same level of deity just that Sigmar is the Zeus of this pantheon (I mean literally down to the whole lightning bolt fetish) and is the “king” of these gods and simply the most powerful. But he’s not a tier above the others. The Chaos Gods on the other hand are above the pantheon as they are almost “elemental” deities. Morathi is a tier below the pantheon as she’s more a Demi god status than full god. It even states how jealous she is of Malerion due to his power as a full god.

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Jackal90 wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
I would have thought that would keep Nagash off the board. Or have they explained that as being avatars of his will or some such?


He’s still a god by most rights, but still a minor one.

Yeah, he only killed and ate all the other gods of Death in Shyish to become the only ruler of an entire realm. Like that other god ruling an entire realm, Sigmar. A minor human deity.
   
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Jackal90 wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
I would have thought that would keep Nagash off the board. Or have they explained that as being avatars of his will or some such?


He’s still a god by most rights, but still a minor one.

Yeah, he only killed and ate all the other gods of Death in Shyish to become the only ruler of an entire realm. Like that other god ruling an entire realm, Sigmar. A minor human deity.



And in turn also managed to get himself killed by Archaon in combat.
He’s has in fact been killed several times now.

Killing gods doesn’t make that god above others.

The fact he acted as an aid to sigmar as well since he wasn’t strong enough to kill him.
   
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Why isn't sigmar a minor god then? He couldn't even take on Archaon 1v1 without his magic hammer, what kind of god relies on trinkets to win against mortals? Sorry, Sigmar confirmed for minor deity of toilet scrubbers.
   
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Why isn't sigmar a minor god then? He couldn't even take on Archaon 1v1 without his magic hammer, what kind of god relies on trinkets to win against mortals? Sorry, Sigmar confirmed for minor deity of toilet scrubbers.


You mean like nearly every god relies on a weapon or trinket?
Hell, Archaon has trinkets all over the place from all 4 gods, so even a mortal gets a lot stronger with them.


To be fair though, I’d have to agree with sigmar being a lower tier god.
It’s possible we’d see him on the table at some stage maybe.
Think the easy way to look at it is that any mortal that became a god won’t rival a natural god.
So you’d never see sigmar or slaanesh charging into one of the chaos gods and living.
   
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Ok, if any mortal-god can't rival a real god, how come Nagash destroyed all the pre-existing Death gods? We know he did, and we know they weren't incarnates from Old World but native gods of Mortal realms.

As for Sigmar or Nagash not taking on chaos gods...Sigmar managed to spank Nurgle just by sending one turbo-charged lord Relictor into his garden. If a stormcast can hurt and wound Nurgle...

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Cronch wrote:
...what kind of god relies on trinkets to win against mortals?


Well, I have heard of this one dude named Thor...

Besides, Sigmar was a god BEFORE the end of the Old World. He just got stuck in a mortal body during the End Times.

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They are self titled Gods who draw power from belief and worship (and other sources). However they are not how we might envision a God like the Christian God viewpoint where you've a single being that can create a whole universe.

Heck they have trouble just making life in itself. Sigmar's Stormcast are cracking; Aelf remakings of their people are twisted and damaged.

We also see that they cannot create souls. They recycle them, but they cannot create a soul, the actual starting point of life.




They are also nearly all risen from mortal sources, all were once mortal or at least living normal creatures that have risen in power. This gives them great powers, but they still obey the rules of the universe like a regular human or dwarf. Thus weapons of great power are still important to them; thus armour and shields. Thus they can be killed. Heck the Mortal Realms feature God Beasts which are beasts of godlike powers capable of killing gods.


They are very much like the Norse/Greek depiction of gods - powerful supreme beings that are, ultimately, mortal at their core. They have passions and desires; they argue and fight; they are born and can die; they can be tricked and deceived and they cannot be all places at once.



The Chaos Gods themselves are probably the closest to actual Gods as we might understand them in terms of omnipotent power and rebirth and of how they feed of souls. Of course they are from another Realm where they rule with almost impunity. Interestingly the Great Horned Rat is also there now, but not feeding off souls the same way and he doesn't seem to have a realm there like the other Chaos Gods - indeed the Skaven have their own Ruinous Realm of Death that Nagash has not yet taken.

Indeed even after the Necroquake Nagash hasn't taken over all the other Death Gods. He's still very much in the process of conquering and invading and having to take each step of ground, though the Quake and his Black Pyramid has at least secured him a bulk control over his Realm. Even if in doing so he's created a Black Hole that's sucking in the dead souls into a place even he has no idea where it leads too or to what end. Furthermore he's also still a "mortal god" he can be destroyed or killed with the right approach.


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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Cronch wrote:
...what kind of god relies on trinkets to win against mortals?


Well, I have heard of this one dude named Thor...

Besides, Sigmar was a god BEFORE the end of the Old World. He just got stuck in a mortal body during the End Times.


He was a man in the Old World who became a God.

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 Overread wrote:
They are self titled Gods who draw power from belief and worship (and other sources). However they are not how we might envision a God like the Christian God viewpoint where you've a single being that can create a whole universe.

Heck they have trouble just making life in itself. Sigmar's Stormcast are cracking; Aelf remakings of their people are twisted and damaged.

We also see that they cannot create souls. They recycle them, but they cannot create a soul, the actual starting point of life.

It obviously isn't, since the deepkin were created and living- a 'soul' wasn't the starting point of life. Based on them, souls seem more like an addictive substance things need to keep living, the deepkin just use them up faster.
In fact based on how everyone uses them (Nagash, Sigmar, Chaos Gods, Elf gods), souls seem to be little more than batteries to make their toys shamble on.

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Voss wrote:
 Overread wrote:
They are self titled Gods who draw power from belief and worship (and other sources). However they are not how we might envision a God like the Christian God viewpoint where you've a single being that can create a whole universe.

Heck they have trouble just making life in itself. Sigmar's Stormcast are cracking; Aelf remakings of their people are twisted and damaged.

We also see that they cannot create souls. They recycle them, but they cannot create a soul, the actual starting point of life.

It obviously isn't, since the deepkin were created and living- a 'soul' wasn't the starting point of life. Based on them, souls seem more like an addictive substance things need to keep living, the deepkin just use them up faster.
In fact based on how everyone uses them (Nagash, Sigmar, Chaos Gods, Elf gods), souls seem to be little more than batteries to make their toys shamble on.


Deepkin, far as I'm aware, were made from the souls harvested from Slaanesh. They are living creatures, however when they reproduce (ergo make more Deepkin on their own) their offspring have withered souls which can wither to a point of them lacking any sense of life. So they are basically soul-vampires.

Souls are a bit akin to batteries, however its clear that making new souls is beyond the Gods otherwise they'd just make new souls and make endless armies with them. Instead Stormcast are recycled souls; Nagash is doing the very same for his armies in recycling souls that have passed to the realm of death. Even going as far as to chop and reshape them into new forms with the Ossiarchs.

However they still cannot create the raw souls itself; that seems to be a unique property to the mortals and normal reproductive cycles for the various species. It suggests that there are powers and means beyond the Gods. Which fits with their lore as the Gods did not create the universe nor even the Mortal Realms. Instead the Gods are uplifted mortals risen to insane levels of power, but still, at their very core, mortals bound to the same rules.



So the "battery" of life can be remade, reshaped, reformed, chopped and moved around. But none of the gods can create them fresh. The only way they might would be through natural birth and it seems nothing more.

Interesting to note - we know that Deepkin don't reproduce fully successfully; however we've not heard if Morathi's soul-created creations (Melusai and Khinerai) reproduce at all nor what the results are if they do. It will be interesting to read about the new Aelf force and what composition they are - if they are all souls reforged from Slaanesh or if they are a mix or what.

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It is apparent that in Warhammer, the only way to create new souls is by the action of existing living souls, and Teclis screwed that up with the Idoneth. Something about how he reshaped the souls he got from Slaanesh removed or muted that function, possibly because he was inexperienced at the whole ‘making a new species’ thing and was overreacting to the derivation from a tainted source by deliberately squishing anything related to lust. Frankly he’s lucky they reproduce at all….

Sigmar’s problem is unrelated: he’s recycling souls that have died without even trying to salve their death-trauma, which is what places like heaven or Valhalla or whatever are for. Then he goes and sticks them back into bodies that still remember dying and the problem is compounded. Basically it’s the Robocop Problem only he hasn’t even bothered to try to wipe the Stormcasts’ memories, much less let them get used to the idea of still being able to be a person even after dying.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
It is apparent that in Warhammer, the only way to create new souls is by the action of existing living souls, and Teclis screwed that up with the Idoneth. Something about how he reshaped the souls he got from Slaanesh removed or muted that function, possibly because he was inexperienced at the whole ‘making a new species’ thing and was overreacting to the derivation from a tainted source by deliberately squishing anything related to lust. Frankly he’s lucky they reproduce at all….

Sigmar’s problem is unrelated: he’s recycling souls that have died without even trying to salve their death-trauma, which is what places like heaven or Valhalla or whatever are for. Then he goes and sticks them back into bodies that still remember dying and the problem is compounded. Basically it’s the Robocop Problem only he hasn’t even bothered to try to wipe the Stormcasts’ memories, much less let them get used to the idea of still being able to be a person even after dying.


TBF he was pressed for time.
   
 
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