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Dread Master wrote:
These new elves are superior to the previous high elves in every respect.

There's at least one way they're inferior - they're on round bases, not square ones.

Bah. Comparing them to the old high elf spears (and to some extent silver helms) is damning with faint praise. Those were fairly poor models.

These are good in their own right,

 Carnikang wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I still think the Seraphon are going to get a remake of some sort down the line. Hopefully soon.

A good portion of the Old World models need an update. Seraphon, Skaven, heck a good portion of the Slaves to Darkness are still in need of it (marauders anyone?). It's going to be a steady process of new armies and updated armies for quite a few years yet I'd wager. AoS isn't alone either- armies like Eldar are still running around with a lot of finecast and some really old plastics too.

With Seraphon being between the Lumineth and the Sons of Behemat it's pretty clear to me that all the Seraphon will receive at this time is their ziggurat and maybe some endless spells.

Why do you assume Seraphon will be between the two? They could likely be the February release, as LuminLords are in the Spring...

Simply due to the order we've learned about them from GW. First was the Lumineth (i.e. pointy aelves) and then Seraphon at the LVO preview last night and nothing but a name drop in the Zoat teaser for the Sons of Behemat.

EDIT: From Facebook a few close ups of the Lumineth...

We got official confirmation in the Zoat video that Sons of Behemat are just a myth. This suggests that they are still a fair ways off, but GW are already at the "teasing" us stage where those who have spied that shipment site have seen near confirmation that things are in the works; just nothing set in stone as to what their theme etc... is.

Right now I'm expecting Seraphon then Pointy Aelves and then Behemat - with the latter perhaps being mid year or further off.

I'm hoping that there will be a somewhat not as painful as it looks way to separate Teclis from the monster...

Other then that - wow!

The new (A)elven releases are great - and I do NOT need to start another AoS army, but I kinda want to now.

 Overread wrote:
We got official confirmation in the Zoat video that Sons of Behemat are just a myth. This suggests that they are still a fair ways off, but GW are already at the "teasing" us stage where those who have spied that shipment site have seen near confirmation that things are in the works; just nothing set in stone as to what their theme etc... is.

Right now I'm expecting Seraphon then Pointy Aelves and then Behemat - with the latter perhaps being mid year or further off.

I mean, that was clearly a joke though, wasn't it? They're relatively close, they wouldn't have fully printed and shipped warscroll cards if they were still fiddling around with them.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I still think the Seraphon are going to get a remake of some sort down the line. Hopefully soon.

A good portion of the Old World models need an update. Seraphon, Skaven, heck a good portion of the Slaves to Darkness are still in need of it (marauders anyone?). It's going to be a steady process of new armies and updated armies for quite a few years yet I'd wager. AoS isn't alone either- armies like Eldar are still running around with a lot of finecast and some really old plastics too.

With Seraphon being between the Lumineth and the Sons of Behemat it's pretty clear to me that all the Seraphon will receive at this time is their ziggurat and maybe some endless spells.

They'd have mentioned the spells if there were any. Seems weird that such an iconic faction wouldn't get them, but it would be weirder if they existed and GW elected not to show them off now.

I mean, when you think about it, every Seraphon unit is an endless spell already.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm hoping that there will be a somewhat not as painful as it looks way to separate Teclis from the monster...

Other then that - wow!

The new (A)elven releases are great - and I do NOT need to start another AoS army, but I kinda want to now.

To me it looks as if teclis is attached to the monster by his cape overlapping the wing, depending on the parts it shouldn’t be too hard to separate them.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

 Overread wrote:
We got official confirmation in the Zoat video that Sons of Behemat are just a myth. This suggests that they are still a fair ways off, but GW are already at the "teasing" us stage where those who have spied that shipment site have seen near confirmation that things are in the works; just nothing set in stone as to what their theme etc... is.

Right now I'm expecting Seraphon then Pointy Aelves and then Behemat - with the latter perhaps being mid year or further off.

I mean, that was clearly a joke though, wasn't it? They're relatively close, they wouldn't have fully printed and shipped warscroll cards if they were still fiddling around with them.

Yeah, the fact they mentioned them at all implies to me that they aren’t far off. The ‘just a myth’ doesn’t mean anything in terms of timescale, just a jokey way of acknowledging the leaks without saying anything.

They really went all out on identifiers for the warden squad sergeant, didn't they? No spear, shield on back, lamp, bigger crest, back banners AND perched on scenery.

spartan059 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm hoping that there will be a somewhat not as painful as it looks way to separate Teclis from the monster...

Other then that - wow!

The new (A)elven releases are great - and I do NOT need to start another AoS army, but I kinda want to now.

To me it looks as if teclis is attached to the monster by his cape overlapping the wing, depending on the parts it shouldn’t be too hard to separate them.

Screencap off twitter





At worst there's a small bit of cloak and feathers to fix up. Rearrange their positions a bit and use a ruined pillar for Teclis to be floating off instead.

Speaking of conversions the Wardens heads would make good alt. heads for the Cypher Lords you can see there is a similar aesthetic.

I really like that Warden sergeant. I just want him. I don't want to start collecting another army. I just want him and the empty armor!

Voss wrote:
They really went all out on identifiers for the warden squad sergeant, didn't they? No spear, shield on back, lamp, bigger crest, back banners AND perched on scenery.

I wouldn't be shocked if he has some special rules, ala the Bonereapers or a Namarti Icon Bearer.

 DaveC wrote:

spartan059 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm hoping that there will be a somewhat not as painful as it looks way to separate Teclis from the monster...

Other then that - wow!

The new (A)elven releases are great - and I do NOT need to start another AoS army, but I kinda want to now.

To me it looks as if teclis is attached to the monster by his cape overlapping the wing, depending on the parts it shouldn’t be too hard to separate them.

Screencap off twitter

Spoiler:

At worst there's a small bit of cloak and feathers to fix up. Rearrange their positions a bit and use a ruined pillar for Teclis to be floating off instead.

Speaking of conversions the Wardens heads would make good alt. heads for the Cypher Lords you can see there is a similar aesthetic.

Excellent screen caps there - thanks Dave!

And yes, looks like it won't be too hard to achieve.

This is...Good News!

 Alpharius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

spartan059 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm hoping that there will be a somewhat not as painful as it looks way to separate Teclis from the monster...

Other then that - wow!

The new (A)elven releases are great - and I do NOT need to start another AoS army, but I kinda want to now.

To me it looks as if teclis is attached to the monster by his cape overlapping the wing, depending on the parts it shouldn’t be too hard to separate them.

Screencap off twitter

Spoiler:

At worst there's a small bit of cloak and feathers to fix up. Rearrange their positions a bit and use a ruined pillar for Teclis to be floating off instead.

Speaking of conversions the Wardens heads would make good alt. heads for the Cypher Lords you can see there is a similar aesthetic.

Excellent screen caps there - thanks Dave!

And yes, looks like it won't be too hard to achieve.

This is...Good News!

Probably even easier than you think since those pieces are almost certainly separate on the mold just based on them curving in different directions.
I have weird tastes in that I think Teclis plus Sphinx is actually really well realized while the basic troops are a little lukewarm.

I could see him hovering directly over the sphynx with a clear flight stand as well. But off to the side the way he is? It’s strange. Very very strange.

FYI, Seraphon are BEFORE Lumineth, explicitly stated as such during the presentation.

any estimations for a possible release?

As a point, on the community page it states that the new seraphon book will be out very soon.

Guessing this will be the soonest of the releases.

Jackal90 wrote:
As a point, on the community page it states that the new seraphon book will be out very soon.

Guessing this will be the soonest of the releases.

Makes sense. The new Aelf army has got months before Spring and far more marketing to go. Seraphon don't really have as much besides a regular AoS 2.0 update to get out so there isn't that much for GW to tease out. So makes full sense that they'd come first.

I honestly really, really like these guys. (Besides you, Teclis. Boo on you.)
The color scheme is great. They're not High fantasy, they're more reminiscent of old HE and LOTR elves. Nothing too zany, save Teclis again, and the Eltharion model is amazing. Not the best model, but the concept is cool and executed well. If only the Nighthaunts had that hollow look as their whole aesthetic

GaroRobe wrote:
I honestly really, really like these guys. (Besides you, Teclis. Boo on you.)
The color scheme is great. They're not High fantasy, they're more reminiscent of old HE and LOTR elves. Nothing too zany, save Teclis again, and the Eltharion model is amazing. Not the best model, but the concept is cool and executed well. If only the Nighthaunts had that hollow look as their whole aesthetic

Not High Fantasy?!

LotR is the very definition of High Fantasy.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
I honestly really, really like these guys. (Besides you, Teclis. Boo on you.)
The color scheme is great. They're not High fantasy, they're more reminiscent of old HE and LOTR elves. Nothing too zany, save Teclis again, and the Eltharion model is amazing. Not the best model, but the concept is cool and executed well. If only the Nighthaunts had that hollow look as their whole aesthetic

Not High Fantasy?!

LotR is the very definition of High Fantasy.

I was getting ready to argue, but sure enough, googling high fantasy leads straight to LOTR

I meant WoW style fantasy, the more unique aspects of AoS kind of stuff. Blind, pale (A)elves that live underwater, floating steampunk dwarf cities powered by gold, even the realms by extension isn't the kind of fantasy I normally enjoy.

Google isn't the be-all result

Lord of the Rings is pretty middle to low fantasy in general by modern standards. It is EPIC fantasy though which is where many mix up epic and high. That said the Lord of the Rings books are very much a lower fantasy age even within their own lore since the 3rd age has far fewer ents, elves, dragons balrogs and such than the previous ages. Heck only one balrog and one dragon appear through the whole hobbit to lord of the rings - whilst in the earlier ages there were many many more in battles.

I’m... kinda actually coming around on Teclis. After a sleep, and checking out the different angles from the vid, I’m starting to like him. I loved his Sphinx off the bat, but I think I’m starting to quite like Teclis himself. It’s more his face that’s my main gripe still, but that might be able to be saved with a paint job.

I'm guessing the next unit to be reveal will be Sword master? And maybe a Sword(lore) master hero too.

But based on the revealed infantry I reckon they'd have the same rank and file pose, which is kinda boring to me.

GaroRobe wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
I honestly really, really like these guys. (Besides you, Teclis. Boo on you.)
The color scheme is great. They're not High fantasy, they're more reminiscent of old HE and LOTR elves. Nothing too zany, save Teclis again, and the Eltharion model is amazing. Not the best model, but the concept is cool and executed well. If only the Nighthaunts had that hollow look as their whole aesthetic

Not High Fantasy?!

LotR is the very definition of High Fantasy.

I was getting ready to argue, but sure enough, googling high fantasy leads straight to LOTR

I meant WoW style fantasy, the more unique aspects of AoS kind of stuff. Blind, pale (A)elves that live underwater, floating steampunk dwarf cities powered by gold, even the realms by extension isn't the kind of fantasy I normally enjoy.

Yeah, I get what you mean. People often use High and Low Fantasy these days to describe just how extreme, as it were, the fantastic elements are. That’s not the original meaning of the phrases though. High Fantasy takes place in an imaginary world, so LotR, A Song of Ice and Fire and Age of Sigmar are all High Fantasy. Low Fantasy was used to describe stories that take place in our own, real world but with fantasy elements.

I’m with you though. I strongly dislike how over the top fantasy has become over the last few decades. I used to be a massive fantasy fan as a kid in the 70s and 80s, but these days I find I enjoy sci fi far more. I can’t blame WoW or AoS. They’re just the latest in a long trend for fantasy to just get more and more ridiculous and further removed from its roots in myth and folklore.

As for the “more unique aspects of AoS”, (I like how you put that) while each sounds ok in isolation, together they’re just a mess. The Mortal Realms doesn’t feel like a coherent setting to me. It’s just a jumble of ideas without a unifying theme.

Fantasy has always had crazy far-out elements, even going back to mythology. Hundred-handed giants fighting the Titans and all kinds of monsters? Ancient.

Even “modern” fantasy has been crazy since the 1910’s to 1920’s, if you look at the old pulps. Before Moorcock was Lovecraft’s Kadath and Smith’s Xothique. Outrageous fantasy has always existed and always had a following regardless of your personal preferences.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Fantasy has always had crazy far-out elements, even going back to mythology. Hundred-handed giants fighting the Titans and all kinds of monsters? Ancient.

Even “modern” fantasy has been crazy since the 1910’s to 1920’s, if you look at the old pulps. Before Moorcock was Lovecraft’s Kadath and Smith’s Xothique. Outrageous fantasy has always existed and always had a following regardless of your personal preferences.

Erm ... yeah. But you’ve totally missed the point.

When hundred handed giants were fighting the titans, that was ancient legend. When Ancient Greek heroes we’re slaying fantastical monsters, they were creatures that lived at the edge of the map, far from civilisation. The modern trend in fantasy is to make such things the day to day reality of life. It cheapens then and makes them devoid of magic.

It’s the reason I’m not really a fan of the Horus Heresy either. The Heresy was the Imperium’s foundation myth. It was a lost time of larger than life, semi-mythical heroes and villains. Now that it’s all been told in excruciating detail, it starts to feel utterly prosaic.

But yes, it’s just my opinion. I thought that’s what we were all doing here ... expressing opinions. The style of fantasy I used to love and was commonplace 40 years ago, is now virtually nonexistent in gaming circles.

Chopstick wrote:
I'm guessing the next unit to be reveal will be Sword master? And maybe a Sword(lore) master hero too.

But based on the revealed infantry I reckon they'd have the same rank and file pose, which is kinda boring to me.

Except they already used Eltharion’s name in the hallow armor; I still love Eltharion the Blind, fantastic model, I got him and I play DE.