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GW seemingly just applies a 5%~ uplift year on year and that's how it goes.

Jadedness perhaps - but aside from the Gor (which seems flat out crazy) everything is unfortunately where I'd expect it to be.

At some point this above inflation march will end, but not until GW is largely selling out on release.

Even before Corona they were mostly selling out on release of big popular things. The only things that weren't were things like the Eldar and Dark Eldar boxed set - ergo high price and lots of repeat content for existing customers hwo didn't "want" that repeat content.

I can’t really afford anything anymore unfortunately due to the constant inflation. I remember when $40 for a space marines character seemed ridiculous a few years ago. Now they’re $70 and I can’t bring myself to ever get them until I see some good discounts on eBay or something.

It’s a real shame to finally be priced out of the hobby, but luckily I can still get the books when they come and sometimes a new unit or so to spruce up my forces.

Sarouan wrote:

 kodos wrote:
(but GW is still double the Mantic price so everything normal)

Don't worry, Mantic Games is quietly filling the gap in prices as time goes on.

https://www.manticgames.com/games/kings-of-war/ratkin/ratkin-warriors-regiment/
https://www.games-workshop.com/fr-BE/Skaven-Clanrats-2019
It's not longer half the price of GW's for new releases anymore.

well, we are talking abotu new releases, not a 10+ year old GW kit (but expect that the next Skave infantry box will be 40 for 10 as well), comparing the 2 Daemons (to use a newer model) it is 85€ VS 45€

Again, the new cavalry are monstrous cavalry; that is not that standard 60mm oval for normal cavalry they are on. These guys are chonky 4-wound beasts, they are equivalent to eels not dawnriders. The price being justified is another matter but they aren't a raise, because they aren't basic cavalry.

The real crime here is the 'desh kit. Five 32mm elite infantry has been $45ish in AoS; hearthguard, revenants, grundstock, etc (IMO already too expensive, fortunately generally made available in various bundle boxes). Others have been that much for 10 like Nighthaunt or tzaangors (which I think is a very fair price). Then we hit alarith stoneguard and GW decided $60 for five was cool.

Given that the 'desh infantry aren't particularly better in-game than other options but far more monetarily expensive I do not see a bright future for them until something changes.

On the bright side they look cool and their rules are well designed.

I really want to see those new cavalry in person right up alongside the current ones.

it's funny, cause they are on larger bases, but they completely lack the presence of "monstrous" cavalry. They just feel like normal cav like dawnriders or deathriders, but slapped on larger bases. Which I guess means GW failed to convince the people commenting that they're worth the price, if they don't *feel* monstrous.

Eh. People have been crapping on "monstrous cavalry" for some time now. As far back as Demigryph Knights, come to think of it.

Jackal90 wrote:

 kodos wrote:
did I miss something?

10 chaff models for 40-50€, 5 elite models for 40-50€ and cavalry for 45-55€ is the standard pricing since AoS came out

The chaff and characters are normal.
The elite models aren’t just elite, they are troops.
So you’ll likely be running a few units of at least 10.
Check other cav units, that’s not a normal price for them at all.

Based on what? Previous models? Gw keeps upping prices with new　sku's. This is new normal. You can't use old prices as　standard with gw

Cronch wrote:
it's funny, cause they are on larger bases, but they completely lack the presence of "monstrous" cavalry. They just feel like normal cav like dawnriders or deathriders, but slapped on larger bases. Which I guess means GW failed to convince the people commenting that they're worth the price, if they don't *feel* monstrous.

Things like that are likely more common right now because no one has the models in hand. Even next week it won't resolve itself fully because only some slaanesh players will have them in hand; others will have to wait or might not see them for ages if they can't afford and non slaanesh players might not see them for ages. With lockdowns its cutting down on real world viewing of models.

previewww

'Lords of the Mortal Realms' as in Lumineth RealmLords?

My hope for balancing the ridiculous prices out is seeing some better deals for these when the Start Collecting or inevitable bundling up happens.

It's about the only way I can convince myself to stomach the pricing these days....

 Ghaz wrote:
'Lords of the Mortal Realms' as in Lumineth RealmLords?

And Soulblight Gravelords presumably.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'Lords of the Mortal Realms' as in Lumineth RealmLords?

And Soulblight Gravelords presumably.

Well both are sneaky and untrustworthy so it kinda fits that they are in same preview.

Sotahullu wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'Lords of the Mortal Realms' as in Lumineth RealmLords?

And Soulblight Gravelords presumably.

Well both are sneaky and untrustworthy so it kinda fits that they are in same preview.

And we know the next campaign book is Lumineth invading Shyish.

I'm half hoping that they some how break Nagash. I'd love to see his mind fragment to the point where he loses his totalitarian control over Death and ends up with open civil war.

I think it would play well to stop him becoming too powerful in the setting. Right now every death is feeding fuel to his legions; every war and every battle that is waged is adding power to Nagash. Only a few of the Death Realms are holding out (Skaven holds out for example) whilst many others are falling to Nagash.

Nagash will fast end up, even with his Black Pyramid failing, with an overwhelming army compared to any other force. Even Sigmar can't compete with the sheer numbers since his Stormcast take time to be reforged and, whilst they are elite, Nagash has vast weight of numbers on his side.

Fragment Nagash and suddenly you can keep him working with each of the Death factions, but story wise no longer rule them all with a totalitarian level of control. Suddenly BOOM he's left fighting himself and his bid for supreme power is, for a few ages, broken.

 Overread wrote:
I'm half hoping that they some how break Nagash. I'd love to see his mind fragment to the point where he loses his totalitarian control over Death and ends up with open civil war.

I think it would play well to stop him becoming too powerful in the setting. Right now every death is feeding fuel to his legions; every war and every battle that is waged is adding power to Nagash. Only a few of the Death Realms are holding out (Skaven holds out for example) whilst many others are falling to Nagash.

Nagash will fast end up, even with his Black Pyramid failing, with an overwhelming army compared to any other force. Even Sigmar can't compete with the sheer numbers since his Stormcast take time to be reforged and, whilst they are elite, Nagash has vast weight of numbers on his side.

Fragment Nagash and suddenly you can keep him working with each of the Death factions, but story wise no longer rule them all with a totalitarian level of control. Suddenly BOOM he's left fighting himself and his bid for supreme power is, for a few ages, broken.

It literally says "Supreme lord of the undead" on his box. It's not happening.

Hail Nagash.

Yeah, I agree that this preview should show us the rest of the Lumineth models that are hinted, and probably a teaser of the Soulblight. I feel like the SB are probably pretty far off, so we are only going to get a model or two.

I am guessing this is going to be the AoS primarily, with maybe a small showing of dexes for 40k or something.

JSG wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'm half hoping that they some how break Nagash. I'd love to see his mind fragment to the point where he loses his totalitarian control over Death and ends up with open civil war.

I think it would play well to stop him becoming too powerful in the setting. Right now every death is feeding fuel to his legions; every war and every battle that is waged is adding power to Nagash. Only a few of the Death Realms are holding out (Skaven holds out for example) whilst many others are falling to Nagash.

Nagash will fast end up, even with his Black Pyramid failing, with an overwhelming army compared to any other force. Even Sigmar can't compete with the sheer numbers since his Stormcast take time to be reforged and, whilst they are elite, Nagash has vast weight of numbers on his side.

Fragment Nagash and suddenly you can keep him working with each of the Death factions, but story wise no longer rule them all with a totalitarian level of control. Suddenly BOOM he's left fighting himself and his bid for supreme power is, for a few ages, broken.

It literally says "Supreme lord of the undead" on his box. It's not happening.

Hail Nagash.

As though Chaos aren't in the same boat.

I like the idea of a malicious force that isn't chaos being played as the underdog to really take on the big 4.

Hail Nagash!

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I agree that this preview should show us the rest of the Lumineth models that are hinted, and probably a teaser of the Soulblight. I feel like the SB are probably pretty far off, so we are only going to get a model or two.

I am guessing this is going to be the AoS primarily, with maybe a small showing of dexes for 40k or something.

I'm expecting zero 40k.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I agree that this preview should show us the rest of the Lumineth models that are hinted, and probably a teaser of the Soulblight. I feel like the SB are probably pretty far off, so we are only going to get a model or two.

I am guessing this is going to be the AoS primarily, with maybe a small showing of dexes for 40k or something.

I'm expecting zero 40k.

Have they done one of these previews with zero 40k or AoS, besides like the BL one? Even if it's something small I imagine there will be something

 Sasori wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I agree that this preview should show us the rest of the Lumineth models that are hinted, and probably a teaser of the Soulblight. I feel like the SB are probably pretty far off, so we are only going to get a model or two.

I am guessing this is going to be the AoS primarily, with maybe a small showing of dexes for 40k or something.

I'm expecting zero 40k.

Have they done one of these previews with zero 40k or AoS, besides like the BL one? Even if it's something small I imagine there will be something

We had a couple. Notably The Codex Show was all 40k.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I agree that this preview should show us the rest of the Lumineth models that are hinted, and probably a teaser of the Soulblight. I feel like the SB are probably pretty far off, so we are only going to get a model or two.

I am guessing this is going to be the AoS primarily, with maybe a small showing of dexes for 40k or something.

I'm expecting zero 40k.

Have they done one of these previews with zero 40k or AoS, besides like the BL one? Even if it's something small I imagine there will be something

We had a couple. Notably The Codex Show was all 40k.

Ah yeah, I guess there were. Maybe we'll get an AoS roadmap of some sort then.

I want to say we've seen a few of these mono-system things, but not too many. I'd expect this might be similar to the 9th edition launch announcement which was all 40k IIRC.

So like.
Why does every single thread no matter what just devolve into people complainging about prices.
None of these things are required purchases. ITs a hobby, we buy these to have fun. Why does it matter so much?
If it matters so much, wait for them to go on sale used, or buy at a discount.

Why does it matter so much to you that it matters to other people?

The prices are a relevant part of the hobby to many; even if they aren't to you, it takes remarkable lack of empathy to say "we do this hobby for fun, why does it matter if you can't afford it any more?" The "why" is right there in what you wrote...people don't like to be unable to enjoy the hobby they like because it costs too much. It takes effort *not* to understand that.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

If it matters so much, wait for them to go on sale used, or buy at a discount.

Warhammer models don't depreciate over time.
Sure you get duel army boxes and Christmas boxes with discount, however its totally random what you get in them and what armies are supported. You could wait years and years to get the army you want and the models you want and many never appear in discount boxes.

Secondly 3rd party stores do discount, but the absolute best is around 30% (and I tend to only see that in the UK from stores that are small looking to make a name for themselves) and 10-25% is more normal.

After that if you mean for things like codex and rule books, the issue is that most places that are active tend to stay current. So you waiting for the next edition (might be years away again) means you're basically not able to game for a long while unless you always borrow books.


There are ways to discount hobby but it mostly relies on second hand hobbying which can be hit and miss. You're going to have to clean up models with odd paint schemes; deal with another persons building quality etc... Basically it has its downsides.



So yes price does become and important consideration, especially when we are seeing quite significant increases over time. This last year it stings even more for many because we know that whlist everyone has been hit hard with Corona, GW has had a bumper sales year - ergo they've done really really well. However many customers aren't necessarily doing so well.

Price is important and we all have our limit points on what we can justify for models.

IIRC it violates GW's policy to resell at a greater than 15% discount. It's not illegal or anything, but if they find out, they can revoke your ability to buy from them at wholesale prices.

yukishiro1 wrote:
IIRC it violates GW's policy to resell at a greater than 15% discount. It's not illegal or anything, but if they find out, they can revoke your ability to buy from them at wholesale prices.

I think that's only a USA thing since Wayland and Firestorm (both big stores) have had and have greater than 15% discount. If it weren't legal in the UK system, GW would certainly have noticed.