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The price discussion was driven away until someone bringing it back on track.

If you think about how much enjoyment a box of models brings, building, playing, painting and much more, its great for its price compared to other hobbies( compared to my brother who spends thousands on fishing, but has days where he catches gak)
Like most of the older slaanesh stuff has been out for quite a bit, go look for discounts on those, then wait for when people decide to sell these.
As i tell people, this hobby is only as expensive as you let it be.

It's not when they put the price up with every realise. They're taking the piss, and they know it.

One should not be trying to emulate the character of Donald Gennaro.

I love this hobby and the models. They’re really good sculpts and the game is fun. But there comes a point when the prices start taking this piss. And it’s rather disappointing so we talk about it because we want to enjoy the hobby but can’t.

I've got enough backlog for 2-4 years anyways.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I love this hobby and the models. They’re really good sculpts and the game is fun. But there comes a point when the prices start taking this piss. And it’s rather disappointing so we talk about it because we want to enjoy the hobby but can’t.

I mean, GW isnt the only miniature maker that exists.
Of all the hobbies that exist, this one is pretty cheap and the models last way longer than anything.
And if you spend say, 600$ over a year building up a hobby, that army is, reasonably, going to last you forever, you get soooo much milage out of this hobby. So much entertainment.
IF you want to buy all at once it gets bad, but buy over time, a box here a box there, one or two a month.
Looking at all of slaanesh, there are likely tons of stuff out there used. buy those and then wait for these to go used.

After over 20 years of talking about things on the internet, I wonder why it is we can't come up with new single words to define things we've all seen thousands of times over, to save time. Like, "post that asks why people are discussing the thing about the thing that they're discussing on the discussion webpage for the thing, with reminder that participation with thing is not required under the law."

I feel like I've seen this post more times than I can count on a huge variety of topics, and I'm not knocking it, it just feels like we would save so much time if we had a shorthand and didn't have to rewrite it all every single time.

And to be back on track, I hope they show off more vampire models that I will also not feel able to afford this weekend. I think their grounded fantasy stuff is on a roll right now.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Of all the hobbies that exist, this one is pretty cheap and the models last way longer than anything.
And if you spend say, 600$ over a year building up a hobby, that army is, reasonably, going to last you forever, you get soooo much milage out of this hobby. So much entertainment

and here is the point, a 600$ isn't an army and will last until the next point adjustment

"the hobby" as "Wargaming and Miniatures TableTops" has seen a lot of change over time, and one big step was that with plastic miniatures, wargaming outside the small scale became affordable for many more

the time an affordable historical army was either limited to 1/72 bad quality PE plastic, or 1/100 (or smaller) metal and was still a big deal for most

than with 28mm HIPS, the prices came down to a fraction of the former 28mm metal armies, not only with historical games but also Warhammer dropped in price to become an option for more people

and now, with current GW prices, for 600 we are already talking about a "budget" army and the cost of a plastic GW army is now higher than for the former full metal armies that were to expensive for most people


GW's marketing is going the way that "the hobby" means "GW only" and not Wargaming/Miniature Games in general, but at the same time they are pricing people out of "the hobby"

 frankelee wrote:
And to be back on track, I hope they show off more vampire models that I will also not feel able to afford this weekend. I think their grounded fantasy stuff is on a roll right now.

It could be the moment to reveal what exactly the faction is going to entail in terms of any non-vampirical units, or indeed some actual vampirical elite infantry or the likes. Possibly mainly teasers, if the Lumineth are to be shown in full this time around.

Yeah unfortunately, if I wanted to ever start a new army again, it’d cost me $1500AUD. Which is a little bit silly for plastic models. They last forever for sure, but the amount of more useful stuff I could get for that is a lot more valuable.

If GW were a struggling company, I wouldn’t mind paying a little extra for such high quality models to try and support them more. But the fact that they’re making more than British gas and STILL upping the prices just feels kinda gross. I don’t feel like what I’m buying is worth it at this stage. And that’s basically my limit, others will have higher limits or lower limits, it depends on how much value you put on this hobby.

Anyway, I still get a box or so every now and again when I can (though I needed a shower after having to spend $200aud on 10 of the new AdMech winged bros haha). I just wish they’d give us a break and allow the hobby to breath for 5 seconds without slapping us with constant price hikes.

I should stop this discussion though because it’s a little off topic. It was more my disappointment because I would absolutely love to get a full army of Lumineth, the new stuff coming for them looks like they’re gonna be incredible. But man are they gonna cost too much. So I’ll just have to look at the cool pictures online and save up so I can one day buy a box haha.

Is it even an actual question or just trolling?
Why do people discuss pricing?
Cause people's budgets are not made of rubber, and for a lot of people, $50 for 10 toy soldier is quite a lot to ask.

As to why they want the new shiny thing over the old thing? Idk, you'd have to ask a psychologist or a behavioral scientist, but it's a fact, people just do.

I quite like all the Slaanesh stuff.
I think they fit nicely with the older stuff.

I don’t need a new army, but if I was looking, they’d be in my top 3 choices at the moment I think.

 frankelee wrote:
After over 20 years of talking about things on the internet, I wonder why it is we can't come up with new single words to define things we've all seen thousands of times over, to save time. Like, "post that asks why people are discussing the thing about the thing that they're discussing on the discussion webpage for the thing, with reminder that participation with thing is not required under the law."

Then, I propose: "Price Post".

*BOOM* There ya go. Now we know you're bitching about the price of GW models. You've gotten it off your chest, and the rest of us are free to go about our day.

Price Post

"This isn't the stimulating on topic discussion you are looking for, please move along."

When an event happens multiple times people often want to comment on it multiple times. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

What seems off-topic is the meta-discussion of talking about talking about price rises. Start up a thread in Dakka Discussions.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
After over 20 years of talking about things on the internet, I wonder why it is we can't come up with new single words to define things we've all seen thousands of times over, to save time. Like, "post that asks why people are discussing the thing about the thing that they're discussing on the discussion webpage for the thing, with reminder that participation with thing is not required under the law."

Then, I propose: "Price Post".

*BOOM* There ya go. Now we know you're bitching about the price of GW models. You've gotten it off your chest, and the rest of us are free to go about our day.

Mmmm, that's good. But now I see the problem is the bloodlessness. For just a few more words we can improve "Price Post" to "These Prices ******* Suck Post."

Then you turn around and post, "WHY ALWAYS THE PRICE POST?"

Then the guy who's had enough of both of us can post "Go Meta-Post On Your Own Thread Post."

And yes we get off topic, but since GW only give us something to really talk about on the weekends, and yet we still want to come here and discuss nonsense to distract ourselves from the horror of existence, I think it's fair for the mods to give people good leeway from Mon-Thurs.

I was thinking about how awesome these new Slaanesh models would have been in the classic Chaos army though. Splitting up the "marauder" level troops by God, and letting them fill out the ranks in interesting ways. Slaanesh bowmen, Nurgle zombies, Tzeentch phalanxes, it would have made the army have a lot more table appeal than the huge squares of tightly posed Chaos Warriors that we actually had.

Well there is always the Old World relaunch in a few years.

The price increase thing every few months is pretty damn dull by now, more so when people who have little to no interest in the product feel it necessary to weigh in (yet again). It is technically on topic for N&R but I really wish some people would just give it a rest, there must be more interesting things for them to post about.

Looking forward to seeing some of the new Lumineth stuff, hoping to be able to make a good and viable army out of just Vanari units as the various aspects things are just not doing it for me. Some more stuff about Soulblight would be cool as well, just finished reading the FEC battletome for the first time and whilst the models are not my cup of tea, the fluff was absolutely fantastic and I would love to see a continuation and expansion in the upcoming Vampire stuff.

If GW didn't raise prices every few months people wouldn't complain about them raising prices every few months. Seems like a shooting the messenger kind of thing to me.

I mean I get that lots of people don't care about prices and aren't interested in talking about it, but that seems like a case of just, well, don't engage? I mean like for example the rumor engine stuff doesn't do it for me - being deliberately left in the dark doesn't build hype for me, I just find it annoying and condescending - so I just skip posts related to that stuff. But it doesn't annoy me that other people want to talk about it and enjoy it.

yukishiro1 wrote:
If GW didn't raise prices every few months people wouldn't complain about them raising prices every few months. Seems like a shooting the messenger kind of thing to me.

I mean I get that lots of people don't care about prices and aren't interested in talking about it, but that seems like a case of just, well, don't engage? I mean like for example the rumor engine stuff doesn't do it for me - being deliberately left in the dark doesn't build hype for me, I just find it annoying and condescending - so I just skip posts related to that stuff. But it doesn't annoy me that other people want to talk about it and enjoy it.

The difference, though, is that price-whining infects virtually every thread every week or two and is always the same bloody thing.

Well, it's the same bloody thing from GW that causes it. If price increase wasn't part of every new release since start of 2020, it wouldn't be part of every new release discussion.

If people stop complaining, that's when you have to worry about the game cause it means they stopped caring about GW games and moved on. You know, how it happened once already.

Cronch wrote:
Well, it's the same bloody thing from GW that causes it. If price increase wasn't part of every new release since start of 2020, it wouldn't be part of every new release discussion.

If people stop complaining, that's when you have to worry about the game cause it means they stopped caring about GW games and moved on. You know, how it happened once already.

2020? New SKU's raising prices has been GW's strategy for lot longer than that. It's well over decade old strategy now GW adopted since they stopped yearly range wide price hikes.

started with the plastic Empire Greatswords
that was the first kit that saw an increase in price over previews models outside the yearly price adjustment

AoS prices are weird.

Some kits are pretty damned decent (Ossiarch Infantry, Night Goblins) as both kits give you a field able unit.

Witch Elves etc, not so much.

Actually, on Gobbos specifically.....

Whilst I went the bargain bin route of army sets via online discount, even bought separately they’re not terrible prices. Part of that is they don’t have super cheap points of WHFB.

A Max horde of 60 Night Goblins (gives you a 2+ To Wound, which is great) in WHFB was, what, 120/180ish before command? For Gloomspite, it’s 360 points. GW retail prices for three boxes? £75.00. £52.50 if bought from a FLGS with the same discount as Darksphere.

Roughly the same for 40 Ossiarch Infantry too.

Whilst not cheap, they offer better value than other ranges, which is inexcusable.

Be Careful What I Wish For, but a greater standardisation of prices would be nice.

I'm sure that the Ossiarch pricing was an experiment. I imagine one that didn't have the payoff they hoped for since they're back to price-hiking everything and making less and less models per box.

Yeah. I don't understand how they have boxes like kairic acolytes, ossiarch infantry, bloodreavers, etc... with detailed multicomponent new infantry at 20 for 40-45€ (So basically old 10 for 20€, that price you don't find oudside old stuff like Gors or dark elf infantry) and then monopose lumineth spearmen at 10 for 45€ and going up from that with new Mirmidesh.

I believe, the more they believe people want an army (Slaanesh and "high elves but aos" were two greately expected armies), the more they charge for it. Ossiarch were much more of a risk.

Not sure why people didn’t see the prices coming, Wrathmongers are $57 for 5 and that kits older than AoS itself is.

Idoneth Thralls are $50 for 10 minis with no customization.

Melusai are $54 for 5 with little to no customization.

These prices are consistent lol. Save the complaints for the unjust yearly price hike that includes kits that made their money back like 15-20 years ago.

 zend wrote:
Not sure why people didn’t see the prices coming

because those people either were not intrested in AoS releases before and used to older prices
or because did not follow the "price posts" coming with every release

so they came in, saw new Slaanesh models and were shocked by something that is "normal" for others who see it with every release

Or because how new models are priced seems to change with every two releases or so...

Also until its an army you want you don't really tend to keep an eye on updates and prices and such. High priced Lumineth Cavalry - I didn't want them so I wasn't looking or worrying about their price. I only noticed when I was looking for newer prices on cavalry and the new Slaanesh mounts were coming up.

Plus don't forget new prices from GW are at the full RRP whlist many buy from 3rd parties. So they are often comparing a discounted earlier price with a new p rice.