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Voss wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/05/broken-realms-fiction-enlightenment/

Save me from another 'so good they're evil' trite morality cliche.

Teclis was never "good" to begin with. He's been the "do what it takes for my people to be on top" character since the beginning with Tyrion being the moral one required to keep him in check.

The Lumineth following suit with their god is just par for the course.

Whatever. That isn't the point- I couldn't care less about Teclis.

Systematic mind rape and mass sacrifice in the name of protection makes them _completely_ unsympathetic, to the point that the rational path is to form a temporary alliance with Nagash and Archaeon and burn them out of the world utterly.

Worse, in terms of narrative, it just isn't interesting- they're just more cardboard monsters.

It actually IS the point. To understand the elves created by Teclis, you need to understand Teclis. Their outlook on the realms and how their society works is entirely informed by their god. That's kind of been how AoS races have worked since being recreated in the realms.

sure, but also, hurr durr they so orderly they brainwash people. What TWEEST.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/05/broken-realms-fiction-enlightenment/

Save me from another 'so good they're evil' trite morality cliche.

Teclis was never "good" to begin with. He's been the "do what it takes for my people to be on top" character since the beginning with Tyrion being the moral one required to keep him in check.

The Lumineth following suit with their god is just par for the course.

Whatever. That isn't the point- I couldn't care less about Teclis.

Systematic mind rape and mass sacrifice in the name of protection makes them _completely_ unsympathetic, to the point that the rational path is to form a temporary alliance with Nagash and Archaeon and burn them out of the world utterly.

Worse, in terms of narrative, it just isn't interesting- they're just more cardboard monsters.

It actually IS the point. To understand the elves created by Teclis, you need to understand Teclis. Their outlook on the realms and how their society works is entirely informed by their god. That's kind of been how AoS races have worked since being recreated in the realms.

Not in the least. I don't give a damp squig about how they justify things in the setting. My objection, and thus my point, is that the GW writers are trotting out these tired old cliches at all.

I'm not the least bit interested in a faction that's written the same way as an abusive foster parent in a Disney film, that kicks their children just because they can.
At this point chaos and Nagash are more nuanced, trustworthy and decent than half the Order factions. At least they're honest about wanting to stab people in the face, and have recognizable temptations and motivations.

You must not have seen many Disney movies, or didn't read the same short story as the rest of us.

Though knowing you, that may as well be true. Not like the actual content in a story would get in the way of what you believe is there.

Yeah, when you give people freedom they tend to be more inconsistent than when you enslave them to your will, big shock.

I think its partly the result of the fact that a lot of the quality BL writers are tangled up with long running 40K series and that BL lost Josh Reynolds as a writer as he was doing a lot of good with the AoS setting. So AoS has fewer established authors and more first timers and people new to the setting and such. Eg the recent Daughters of Khaine collection of 3 short stories were decently written, but there were odd lapses in the lore that got past the quality control (eg medusa was used not melusai) and also a feeling that the authors weren't making daughters of khaine so much as Drow from DnD*

I think its just a symptom of so much of it being new and at the same time lacking any kind of loremaster who holds all the strings and details. It's likely a result of the fact that AoS at launch was very much a management rather than creative driven product. Even with all the vast creativity being poured into it ** it still has those hallmarks. Something that likely will remain for a while until its got some decades under its belt. Heck don't forget lore wise these new battletomes are very rich. I've early Tyranid codex and the lore in them was a few pages at best. It took years to get page after page after page of lore.


*which I really hope DoK don't turn into because honestly Drow really don't read like a faction that could "function" in any sense of the word. Randomly killing each other for advance and hobbling in the extreme 50% of your population - which is even worse for DoK as Morathi already curses the males - isn't a recipe for a faction that "works" for generations.

** the design team for models are clearly having a LOT of both freedom and fun!

 Overread wrote:

*which I really hope DoK don't turn into because honestly Drow really don't read like a faction that could "function" in any sense of the word. Randomly killing each other for advance and hobbling in the extreme 50% of your population - which is even worse for DoK as Morathi already curses the males - isn't a recipe for a faction that "works" for generations.

You mean like Drukhari?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Overread wrote:

*which I really hope DoK don't turn into because honestly Drow really don't read like a faction that could "function" in any sense of the word. Randomly killing each other for advance and hobbling in the extreme 50% of your population - which is even worse for DoK as Morathi already curses the males - isn't a recipe for a faction that "works" for generations.

You mean like Drukhari?

They get a minor pass as they at least use clones to bolster their numbers (in fact aren't most of them clones).
DoK still have the elephant in the room that the women are raised to a concept of survival of the fittest, yet racial purity is also clearly important to them and yet their males are the polar opposite and are likely the most frail of all the mortal races save goblins.

I think its just a symptom of so much of it being new and at the same time lacking any kind of loremaster who holds all the strings and details.

but it's not the fault of the new writers that they fall on the same tropes ALL gw products fall. GW can write exactly one storyline, and they just shift the details here and there. LRL literally copied Eldar's homework except they came out slightly better off by not having destroyed their realm fully.

DoK had more cultural diversity in that book than Drow have ever had, IMO. One story even had the protagonist know she could take power but choose not to because it wasn't her thing--she was a better fighter than a leader and she was self aware enough to know it. But more to the point (spoilers);



Small fish compared to Khorne though, which has been exaggerated and, though I hate to use the word, flanderized to the point of stupidity. Though this is all just my personal reaction of course.


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Cronch wrote:

I think its just a symptom of so much of it being new and at the same time lacking any kind of loremaster who holds all the strings and details.

but it's not the fault of the new writers that they fall on the same tropes ALL gw products fall. GW can write exactly one storyline, and they just shift the details here and there. LRL literally copied Eldar's homework except they came out slightly better off by not having destroyed their realm fully.

What's the one storyline?

Also, let's give the authors of the WHC short stories some credit--they are working with just a couple pages of text. Relying on tropes to fill in the narrative blanks is a necessity in that context and the stories would suffer greatly if they didn't.

Imo, GW has a rather clear definition of how their elves behave and what makes them theirs, the rest is simply putting different flairs to the archetype. I've quite enjoyed the story, it seems more than the old Asur, the Lumineth are willing to actively use any of the earthbound races for their agenda. That even reducing the percentage of the ozone didn't decrease their arrogance is quite simply marvellous.

What's the one storyline?

For the elves, it's the Arrogant Old Race Takes A Tumble Of Their Own Making, And Now They're Dying.
With the Lumineth being different only by the virtue of getting their gak together after the Fall. Sorry, SPIREFALL.

Far as I can tell none of the Aelves in AoS are a dying race as such. In fact I'd say right now they are doing better than most humans (or at least equal to them). The only Aelf race that has issues like that are the Idoneth who are not so much dying as simply being souless and are basically soul vampires.


Dwarves are FAR more a fallen and broken race right now, though how much of that is lore and how much is just that GW haven't got to them is hard to say. The Khadorans are certainly doing well right now and are almost the lifeblood of inter-realm trade and transport. Meanwhile the Fyreslayers seem to be doing ok, they just lack model support. The Dispossessed are stuck with humans in being an element that's undeveloped beyond the launch days in both lore and models.

Cronch wrote:

What's the one storyline?

For the elves, it's the Arrogant Old Race Takes A Tumble Of Their Own Making, And Now They're Dying.
With the Lumineth being different only by the virtue of getting their gak together after the Fall. Sorry, SPIREFALL.

So, when you said "GW can write exactly one storyline" you were completely making that claim up with no backing whatsoever.

To start, you add the qualifier "for elves" which is a MASSIVE shift of goalposts. Then you go to "arrogant old race" except Lumineth aren't old, they are newer than humans and dwarves in AoS. By a large margin. Ditto for Idoneth. Only DoK have baseline elves, who are only older if you go back to a different setting. Then it is "takes a tumble of their own making" which applies to Lumineth but not to any of the other elf factions in AoS. And finally "and now they're dying" which is not true for ANY of the elf factions in AoS.

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 Knight wrote:
Imo, GW has a rather clear definition of how their elves behave and what makes them theirs, the rest is simply putting different flairs to the archetype. I've quite enjoyed the story, it seems more than the old Asur, the Lumineth are willing to actively use any of the earthbound races for their agenda. That even reducing the percentage of the ozone didn't decrease their arrogance is quite simply marvellous.

Bah, that ozone was just a Chaos-corrupted version of good ole atmospheric oxygen anyway



In other news, anyone else excited for the full Be'Lakor reveal tomorrow? The silhouette looks awesome.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
In other news, anyone else excited for the full Be'Lakor reveal tomorrow? The silhouette looks awesome.

The model? Yes. The price? No.

I'm thinking I'd be neck deep in AoS models now if they had released this year's shinies three years ago instead of all those Sigmarines and Primaris, in spite of my dislike for the game's rules. But with how prices have gone up since then, I'm not sure if I want Belakor to look all that great.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/08/belakors-back-and-oh-wow-hes-enormous/






This is an amazing model

Yep, that's a fantastic update. Wings are kind of obnoxious, but that's par the course right now.

Also, what 40K player stateside wants the Astartes casualty when I buy this mini?

 Geifer wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
In other news, anyone else excited for the full Be'Lakor reveal tomorrow? The silhouette looks awesome.

The model? Yes. The price? No.

I'm thinking I'd be neck deep in AoS models now if they had released this year's shinies three years ago instead of all those Sigmarines and Primaris, in spite of my dislike for the game's rules. But with how prices have gone up since then, I'm not sure if I want Belakor to look all that great.

We're out of luck it seems, because dam he looks super fething cool. Takes everything about the old sculpt and makes it bigger, better, badass. The sword bleeding shadows, the intricate armor, the horns, even his tactical rock is awesome and super daemonic! There is nothing I dislike about this miniature, save the price reveal...


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 nels1031 wrote:
Yep, that's a fantastic update. Wings are kind of obnoxious, but that's par the course right now.

Also, what 40K player stateside wants the Astartes casualty when I buy this mini?

I'm down with uberwings, because it is a special character. They get a pass on that sort of thing.

 nels1031 wrote:


Also, what 40K player stateside wants the Astartes casualty when I buy this mini?

Hmu. I'm sure I could find some use for half a lieutenant

 GaroRobe wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:


Also, what 40K player stateside wants the Astartes casualty when I buy this mini?

Hmu. I'm sure I could find some use for half a lieutenant

I'll keep you in mind, dude. Hopefully this guy is coming soon.

Within 3 months. Likely not before may

Yeah, they still actually have to get Broken Realms 2 (Teclis) out before they start releasing BR3. Presumably the pile of cosplay elves as well.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
In other news, anyone else excited for the full Be'Lakor reveal tomorrow? The silhouette looks awesome.

The model? Yes. The price? No.

I'm thinking I'd be neck deep in AoS models now if they had released this year's shinies three years ago instead of all those Sigmarines and Primaris, in spite of my dislike for the game's rules. But with how prices have gone up since then, I'm not sure if I want Belakor to look all that great.

We're out of luck it seems, because dam he looks super fething cool. Takes everything about the old sculpt and makes it bigger, better, badass. The sword bleeding shadows, the intricate armor, the horns, even his tactical rock is awesome and super daemonic! There is nothing I dislike about this miniature, save the price reveal...

Yeah, that one goes on the shopping list. Very nice update of the original.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
Yep, that's a fantastic update. Wings are kind of obnoxious, but that's par the course right now.

Also, what 40K player stateside wants the Astartes casualty when I buy this mini?

I'm down with uberwings, because it is a special character. They get a pass on that sort of thing.

I guess they could have been folded, but they do look sized to fit the model and spread wings allow the chains to come out better. I can live with that.

I do acknowledge that transporting the model will likely be an issue. It's an affliction that goes back over a decade by now. At least Belakor looks like he's got a reasonably flat back, and he's pretty beefy. There are no small, fragile bits sticking out in every direction that make you wonder how you're supposed to put it in a foam tray. He's just hogging a lot of space.

Magnetized wings for me.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:


Also, what 40K player stateside wants the Astartes casualty when I buy this mini?

Hmu. I'm sure I could find some use for half a lieutenant

I’d love one of them as well. Also note the wing skulls, there’s some 40k specific ones as well.

Looks like different arm, face, and wing stuff between the two. That said, not a fan of head redesign with 50 horns, old head looked better, IMO.

 Irbis wrote:
Looks like different arm, face, and wing stuff between the two. That said, not a fan of head redesign with 50 horns, old head looked better, IMO.

Literally has the same number of horns as the old head.

Chest piece thing is different, and yeah ‘wing stuff’ and head.
But I’m still not convinced the hand isn’t the same one at a different angle..

I like everything about the model except the proportions of his legs. There is something about them I'm not crazy about.

Hachette’s Mortal Realms is launching in France.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hachette’s Mortal Realms is launching in France.

There's a thread for Hachette, let's try keeping their info there.

Totally not least because it annoys me that there's no US. Nooope.