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Cronch wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Dwarves in WFB had helicopters and Zeppelins. Bonereapers could easily be the Nagash brand of undead (which they are in AoS anyway).

WFB had plenty of space for weird stuff coming in from the edges of the known world. Let's not pretend like AoS came to be because the creatives within GW felt constrained by a setting that had Eagle chariots and cyborg mutant rats.

Yes, and every time they did anything remotely new and out of ordinary people complained about it being too different.
Old World had nothing in it that made it worth keeping over AoS. AoS has nothing in it that is worth preserving over The Old World. Both are trashy fantasy settings existing only to sell toys.

Good, good Let the hate flow through you! Soon you will complete your training, soon you will become the master of the dark arts!

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They've been hinting at this box being similar to Indomitus rather than a starter set. Could very well just be that it has alternate heads.

They straight out called it a 'launch box' on Warhammer Community:

What is Dominion, you ask? It’s the launch box for the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar.

Which is the same thing that Warhammer Community called Indomitus:

You simply do not want to miss out on this amazing set, so it’s important to mention that, as it’s a special launch box to celebrate the new edition, it won’t be around forever.

Oh Snap speaking of hate here comes some.

My interest on getting this dropped 99% Thanks for another limited piece of crap!

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They've been hinting at this box being similar to Indomitus rather than a starter set. Could very well just be that it has alternate heads.

Great does it mean sold out drama again?

Yes. The better discount set will be limited.

Cronch wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Dwarves in WFB had helicopters and Zeppelins. Bonereapers could easily be the Nagash brand of undead (which they are in AoS anyway).

WFB had plenty of space for weird stuff coming in from the edges of the known world. Let's not pretend like AoS came to be because the creatives within GW felt constrained by a setting that had Eagle chariots and cyborg mutant rats.

Yes, and every time they did anything remotely new and out of ordinary people complained about it being too different.
Old World had nothing in it that made it worth keeping over AoS. AoS has nothing in it that is worth preserving over The Old World. Both are trashy fantasy settings existing only to sell toys.

What *other* Fantasy setting would be better?

They're all pretty much the same; Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Goblins, Undead, some sort of giant creatures (Ogres, Dragons, giant beasts), and that's the base.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Dwarves in WFB had helicopters and Zeppelins.

And a full on underground train in the Warhammer Age of Reckoning Black Library novel.

Also interesting to note that Gotrek (who from what we know of his past in the Old World, was at one time an engineer) shows surprising familiarity with a lot of the designs of the Khadorans of AoS. Granted Gotrek has always had this other-worldly element of being the best of a dwarf that a dwarf could be; but at the same time it further shows that a lot of what the Khadorans have isn't outlandish by Old World dwarf standards. It's just things that they had allowed to go to their fullest rather than being hidden behind laws and restrictions and guilds.

The core concept of pistons driven by expanding gas in turn driving a rotary mechanism remains the same from steam engines to modern cars. So there is a good degree of sense to that on a certain level.

Anyways, in regards to BR books being relevant in 3rd, I would expect they will. Consider that PA remains relevant until the content is superceded by a new codex, for example. I would say the difference is in AoS content historically trending to age much better and campaign book updates being far more effective at addressing issues and keeping armies going for long periods without new battletomes. Nurgle is perhaps the best example, with the oldest tome that got a new lease on life thanks to Wrath of the Everchosen, then two of it's least viable models being catapulted into relevance with BR Teclis and pulling a number of previously less-optimal choices along behind them.

I'd argue the fact that their whole technology is based on aether-gold, substance that 100% was not in the Old World means he might get the mechanical parts (a rotating rifle or a steering surface on an airship are fairly basic concepts engineering-wise), but he should not be able to figure out how they're actually powered beyond "they shoot magic plasma".

Also, I don't hate the settings for either the old world or AoS, but neither is something that'll..stand the test of time as fiction, when all is said and done. Tolkien or LeGuin they're not

I remember the backlash agaisnt ogre kingdoms. Because they didn't fitted in the old world (Even when you had dark elves in Naggarond participating without a problem), that they were retconing the better human ogres like the mordheim one, etc....


WHFB fans were by the most parts extremely adverse to any kind of change or new introduction to the setting. But I expect AoS ones to be the same in 10 years. Is just the natural evolution. When something is new, everything is possible and fresh, but the more time pases, the more things are set in stone.

Which is why it's not a bad thing for a setting to "die". At some point, especially in a game, you're just treading water instead of making anything worthwhile. 40k is a prime example imo, but that's just me.

 Galas wrote:
I remember the backlash agaisnt ogre kingdoms. Because they didn't fitted in the old world (Even when you had dark elves in Naggarond participating without a problem), that they were retconing the better human ogres like the mordheim one, etc....


WHFB fans were by the most parts extremely adverse to any kind of change or new introduction to the setting. But I expect AoS ones to be the same in 10 years. Is just the natural evolution. When something is new, everything is possible and fresh, but the more time pases, the more things are set in stone.

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Heck I'm already concerned that GW might change Daughters of Khaine and make them back into Dark Elves. The whole army (barring one or two leaders and the reaper artillery) is pretty much still there and GW has advanced the lore to a point where Morathi would have access to more regular non-cult followers and allies. They could well shift the next Tome toward her solidifying her armies; her witches moving back to elite/sub army focus and including all the warriors from the old army.


A move which I'm sure old fans of the army would be more than happy for (even if by the 3rd tome it would be nearly 10 years after AoS started); but which in my view would dilute everything DoK have risen to become.



It's the same as GW teasing Kurnothi and the remains of the Aelf component of the old Wood Elves and if they'd rebuild Sylvaneth back into what it was. Would that change Sylvaneth at its core or would most fans be super happy for such a restoration.

"Remains of the Aelf component of the old Wood Elves"?

So you mean three kits?

I'm sure that someone will be along shortly to correct me with "But there's 4!!". Sisters of the Watch were a High Elf unit put into Wanderers, just like how Shadow Warriors are now in the same subfaction as Dark Riders and Assassins.

~Aye that's why I also added the Kurnothi to that Since they appear to be the organic living side of the woodland warrior armies. However GW still hasn't really confirmed anything on them. They could be their own army or a sub-army within Sylvaneth or just a lore concept that has some attention here and there but isn't going to be an army any time soon and might never be.

Cities of Sigmar is a great thing, but it also left a lot of hanging on elements in a very questionable state and we don't really know what GW's medium or long term plan for them is (GW might not even fully know themselves).

It might be that no recombining ever happens and that what we get over time is GW updating those sculpts with new designs that unify the cities into distinct groups and create a visual identity whilst having core elements which are shared between them.

I want Sylvanethian Aelves just because I want a plastic Forest Dragon straight out fromTotal War.

I said before, I'll say again: the metal one was a disgrace, but the one from TW kicks absolute ass.

And satyr elves sounds like fun.

I guess that means that if there's any Easy-2-Build stuff from Soul Wars that you want, now would be the time to get it before it vanishes, maybe for good.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Probably. Heavens forbid people ever just wait for things rather than playing StockHammer.

Trust you to blame the customer rather than GW for that...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess that means that if there's any Easy-2-Build stuff from Soul Wars that you want, now would be the time to get it before it vanishes, maybe for good.

Not entirery sure. Some of them (banshees and ballistas come to mind right now) are EtB and I don't think they will replace them right now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess that means that if there's any Easy-2-Build stuff from Soul Wars that you want, now would be the time to get it before it vanishes, maybe for good.

They’ll probably split soul wars into 2 start collecting sets like the SC Thunderstrike brotherhood and Khorne Bloodbound Goreblade and up the prices for good measure. Nighthaunt still don’t have an SC yet. I could see the 3 set of EtB Sequitors going but the Castigators don’t have a kit other than the EtB ones. A lot of those EtB kits are also used in Underworlds and it’s new starter set and the small boxed games.

I don't care too much if at least all models get eventually released separately (to hw credit, i think it was the case for indominius). Nothing worse than models dissapearing a la obliterators

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't care too much if at least all models get eventually released separately...

Yeah. To their "credit". Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

 DaveC wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess that means that if there's any Easy-2-Build stuff from Soul Wars that you want, now would be the time to get it before it vanishes, maybe for good.

They’ll probably split soul wars into 2 start collecting sets like the SC Thunderstrike brotherhood and Khorne Bloodbound Goreblade and up the prices for good measure. Nighthaunt still don’t have an SC yet. I could see the 3 set of EtB Sequitors going but the Castigators don’t have a kit other than the EtB ones. A lot of those EtB kits are also used in Underworlds and it’s new starter set and the small boxed games.

Or they may follow the current trend with the Indomitus and Cursed City sprues and release the Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed, the Guardian of Souls and the Spirit Torment (all of which are on the same sprue) as a single kit for around $110 US

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't care too much if at least all models get eventually released separately...

Yeah. To their "credit". Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

Yeah, should have put credit between quotations lol

Holy damn these Aussie prices are beyond ridiculous. Who buy these things??? Is Australia full of millionaire nerds???

 streetsamurai wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't care too much if at least all models get eventually released separately...

Yeah. To their "credit". Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

Yeah, should have put credit between quotations lol

Holy damn these Aussie prices are beyond ridiculous. Who buy these things??? Is Australia full of millionaire nerds???

Is $170CN for the Honoured of the Chapter and $130CN for the Royal Court really any better?

Well yeah. CAD/AUD is near parity, so CAD$130 is better than the AUD$180 we pay for the Royal Court. Of course, both prices are gak...

In any case, my point remains the same: If there are Soul Wars-related EZ2 Build kits that you've had your eye on for a while but never got around to getting, get 'em now because they either vanish or reappear as a massively marked up rip-off ala Dark Imperium/Indomitus.

100 pounds for Kragnos model.

Also the fact that he doesn't fit in with my growing orruk army aesthetically in any shape or form, means it is a definite miss for me.

 streetsamurai wrote:
and iirc lizardmen had some kind of portals also.

Lizards basically had Slann who could mass teleport, part seas or raise up land bridges at a whim for purposes of travelling about. However, this was conveniently forgotten for End Times so that they could be conveniently butchered off wholesale in isolation in half of one book with absolutely zero rule support (not even a profile for the powered up Mazdamundi or Kroak) while GW sold giant cyborg gatling gun rats. The final cop out of a storyline of cop outs was the Lizardmen INTO SPACE!-ing it.

Yeah, I didn't like End Times. It felt horribly rushed, the actual fluff was a train wreck and they did a few factions massive disrespect in the way they were handled.

I liked the first tome and the elves one. Rest were pretty gakky

Lizards basically had Slann who could mass teleport, part seas or raise up land bridges at a whim for purposes of travelling about. However, this was conveniently forgotten for End Times

To be fair, they didn't have it for multiple editions, but it was added in randomly for a sudden 'my realisms logic'*, to justify why they were in the game at all. The history of the Slann was a weird one anyway, as they got suddenly demoted from fallen, barbaric remnants of the Old Ones to kind of dopey minions, who mostly slept all the time.

*And dark elves just sailed, and wood elves just got to live other places as well as Athel Loren.

Voss wrote:

Lizards basically had Slann who could mass teleport, part seas or raise up land bridges at a whim for purposes of travelling about. However, this was conveniently forgotten for End Times

To be fair, they didn't have it for multiple editions, but it was added in randomly for a sudden 'my realisms logic'*, to justify why they were in the game at all. The history of the Slann was a weird one anyway, as they got suddenly demoted from fallen, barbaric remnants of the Old Ones to kind of dopey minions, who mostly slept all the time.

*And dark elves just sailed, and wood elves just got to live other places as well as Athel Loren.

I wish they had kept the slaan as being fallen barbaric remnants of the old ones; it's so much cooler (to me at least) then having them as direct minions of always off-screen star people.

Still tricky to get a sense of scale for these.