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 DeadEyeDuk wrote:
Just a point about the limited natures. Surely those comparing it to Imdomitus must remember that GW did a brief Made-to-Order after release for those that missed it on the day. Should we expect the same this time?

No guarantee, especially not after Cursed City. Presumably they're keeping their arses covered so that if it does sell out in literal seconds, they can say they're doing it to meet demand and get good publicity but on the off chance it doesn't, they're not in a position where they have to either.

I just recall that, in the UK at least, even after Indomitus sold out there were still copies floating around until the second printing. Granted some of that might have been people who ordered made-to-order copies not panicking, but I think that GW did have good stocks of it initially.

So I'm hoping they do well this time around - AoS isn't quite as big, but a 3rd edition should be big news and sell well

I'm not worried. My FLGS still has 11 Cursed City.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm not worried. My FLGS still has 11 Cursed City.

International shipping? To Mexico by any chances? And not overiflated prices?

Day one buy for me. I love my gryph-hounds, and I've wanted an archer/ranger-y character with them as soulbound.

Just gotta find a cooler looking head!

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 DeadEyeDuk wrote:
Just a point about the limited natures. Surely those comparing it to Imdomitus must remember that GW did a brief Made-to-Order after release for those that missed it on the day. Should we expect the same this time?

No. There is no guarantee of a 'Made to Order' so plan approriately.

Yup. Besides they said on stream that once its gone its gone, even if they did plenty of boxes this time around.
If you want the box be sure not to wait for a potential 2nd run and just preorder.

Also reinforced by complaints from a bunch of stores that ordered in a ton of the made to order only for (scalper) customers to turn round and say they didn't want them after all since they were no longer limited enough to make resale at an inflated price easy,

I think any made to order this time is unlikely

That's something that I'll never understand.

Why would you let someone preorder something and not pay up front?!

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's something that I'll never understand.

Why would you let someone preorder something and not pay up front?!

Even if you pre-order you can still cancel an order. So stores likely took money and had to refund it likely didn't want to fight a debit or credit card reverse charge claim if they refused to refund. Some might charge a restocking fee, but its likely something rare enough for most smaller wargame stores that they likely don't have any kind of restocking or similar fee in place. It's just not a common enough thing for them to need a policy on it.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm not worried. My FLGS still has 11 Cursed City.

Do they not realise that putting those online on ebay would have them sold in probably under an hour at regular retail prices.

Looks like the Lord Imperatant is on a sprue with the Swampcalla shaman

The Knight Arcanum is on a sprue with the Killaboss on foot.

The Praetors and Vindictors are on separate sprues.

The Gutrippaz and Hobgrots are on separate sprues also.

Which means I'm thinking these will be what we get in the smaller starter sets down the road.

The Named Stormcast, Banner Bearer, and Annihilators are all sharing a sprue it looks like.

As are the Mounted Killaboss, the banner bearer, and the Boltboyz.

Which I am guessing means that these will be those ridiculously expensive single sprues that GW puts out down the road.

The two sprues with Killerboss Rider/Boltboyz/Banner and Yandrasta/Annihilators/Banner will most likely be exclusive to Dominion for some time and then be released like the Necron and Space Marine chars from Indomitus at a huge price mark up. If you want those, better get the Dominion box.

By comparing the Dominion box with Indomitus (and the Elite/Recruit boxsets), I come to this prediction for the upcoming startersets (after the limited Dominion Box is gone).

Elite
Overlord& Captain -> Swampcaller+Grot & Lord-Imperatant+Gryphhound
5x Storm Intercessors -> 5x Vindictors
3x Excursors -> 3x Praetors
10xWarriors+3xScarabs -> 10xGutrippaz
3xSkorpekh+Plasmazyte -> 10 Hobgrotz

Recruit
Warden+Lieutenant -> Killaboss+Grot & Knight Arcanum Mage
5x Storm Intercessors -> 5x Vindictors
10xWarriors+3xScarabs -> 10xGutrippaz (or less likely 10xHobgrots)

That would be my guess as well Son of Sigismund.

Late to the thread, but the new Orcs are fairly interesting. I'm a big fan of traditional Orcs and Goblins and I have a huge army of them, but I think this is a cool reimagining and I'm actually pretty happy they went for a new design. Some of the models are overly busy of course, most modern GW models are, and the names are cringey as feth, but I like the design overall and agree that these are more LOTR than WFB.

Gotta digest some more but I think fair play to them for giving us something that's "common Orcs and Goblins" but with a bit of a spin and interesting visual design.
Good on them for really going for it! AoS designs are often polarising, and sometimes I feel like they miss the mark, but these guys have hit it.

I probably won't get any though, all the same! I've enough Orcs and Goblins of various manufacture to keep me going for a long while yet. But I'm happy there'll be more cool greenskin armies in AoS that actually have the feel of a horde of orcs with a clear visual identity.

 Overread wrote:
And back from reality and catching up on the preview - I have to say I'm not an Ork fan nor much of an Orruk fan. I've loved them in lore and stories and computer games, but I've never wanted them as an army over the years. That said these new Cruelboyz I really do love. There's a deadly smartness to them that speaks of cunning and deadly intent. THESE Are the greenskins of your nightmares.

I'm glad you like them but the pictures I've seen so far have me concerned about proportions. Yes, I know it's fantasy and all but I just can't get past it. The Killaboss on Great Gnashtoof looks like someone stuck a megaboss' torso on a grot's legs. It's as if someone saw the Deadpool 2 scene with Wade standing on toddler's legs and said, "What a great idea for an army." I hope it's just bad camera angles but for now I think I'll pass.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm not worried. My FLGS still has 11 Cursed City.

Also interested if you would buy and ship a copy to Germany.

 Breotan wrote:

 Overread wrote:
And back from reality and catching up on the preview - I have to say I'm not an Ork fan nor much of an Orruk fan. I've loved them in lore and stories and computer games, but I've never wanted them as an army over the years. That said these new Cruelboyz I really do love. There's a deadly smartness to them that speaks of cunning and deadly intent. THESE Are the greenskins of your nightmares.

I'm glad you like them but the pictures I've seen so far have me concerned about proportions. Yes, I know it's fantasy and all but I just can't get past it. The Killaboss on Great Gnashtoof looks like someone stuck a megaboss' torso on a grot's legs. It's as if someone saw the Deadpool 2 scene with Wade standing on toddler's legs and said, "What a great idea for an army." I hope it's just bad camera angles but for now I think I'll pass.

When they showed that mini, I couldn't stop looking at his stomach area because it looks like a tube or barrel.

Definitely weird.

A very nice boxset that delivers on its promise. Destruction players are in for some interesting additions while the Stormcast have bought some pleasant surprises of their own, especially the new Knights. AoS looks like its in good hands for the next three years.

Apart from a few Stormcast models, its not for me. Will most likely pick up the smallest starter set and then the Stormcast battletome and warscrolls when they drop. The Knight Judicator looks pretty cool too...

2nd edition was great for experimental game modes such as sky battles, AoS: Skirmish, create your own characters and solo-coop. It left 40K looking boring in comparison and I hope AoS doesn't go the same way.

Man I am really excited but also really worried. Whenever anyone says that their next thing is 'the best ever' the first question that comes to mind is 'so what's wrong with it?' And apparently no one has told GW that when EVERY edition and box set is is best ever, it comes across like someone trying to sell a shiny car with a fault engine. At least for me, but maybe that's just me being jaded and cynical.

I guess what I am trying to say is I would be much more excited if they DIDN'T call it the best ever, if they dialed back the hype language a bit. Let the rules & models speak for themselves more. The models are certainly doing quite a lot of sweet talk already...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
if they dialed back the hype language a bit.

they have stopped saying that the next release is the best thing since the moon landing, so they already dialed back
and of course they sell you a car with a faulty engine as double turns are still there and everything that they come up to "compensate" will be either meaningless or fuel the codex power creep

Hey man I totally get if you want to dump on the double turn but this isn't the thread for that.

Nice looking models but really not for me, intrigued by the mention of expanding the narrative campaign system though. I think that is where the game really shines when playing with like minded people so anything that makes that better can only be a good thing in my eyes. I hope that if they are doing a repatch for points though it can be done in the GH book sooner rather than in BT later.

 Da Boss wrote:
Late to the thread, but the new Orcs are fairly interesting. I'm a big fan of traditional Orcs and Goblins and I have a huge army of them, but I think this is a cool reimagining and I'm actually pretty happy they went for a new design. Some of the models are overly busy of course, most modern GW models are, and the names are cringey as feth, but I like the design overall and agree that these are more LOTR than WFB.

Gotta digest some more but I think fair play to them for giving us something that's "common Orcs and Goblins" but with a bit of a spin and interesting visual design.
Good on them for really going for it! AoS designs are often polarising, and sometimes I feel like they miss the mark, but these guys have hit it.

I probably won't get any though, all the same! I've enough Orcs and Goblins of various manufacture to keep me going for a long while yet. But I'm happy there'll be more cool greenskin armies in AoS that actually have the feel of a horde of orcs with a clear visual identity.

Damn i think you nailed it for me. The models feel more Tolkien than warhammer.

 ingtaer wrote:
Nice looking models but really not for me, intrigued by the mention of expanding the narrative campaign system though. I think that is where the game really shines when playing with like minded people so anything that makes that better can only be a good thing in my eyes. I hope that if they are doing a repatch for points though it can be done in the GH book sooner rather than in BT later.

I would imagine we'll get a new edition of the Generals' Handbook along with Dominion much like we did with a new edition of Chapter Approved was released along with Indomitus.

So this is a weird one for me.

The Orks? I like them. I think the models are very characterful and interesting. And I like them taking a fresh approach to what was previous a pretty homogenous race.

But? I don’t love them. I feel no particular desire to own them. And as a dyed in the wool slag for GW, that’s kind of a first for me,

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 ScarletRose wrote:
I didn't expect the winged stormcast leader to be part of the box.

I'm definitely picking one up, when are the preorders supposed to be?

Some point in June, probably with a two week pre-order lead in like Indomitus had.

Have fun with the scalper bots.

Went by the Warhammer store today. Was told to expect preorder in mid june with a two week set. Then release at the end of the month. Customers being limited to one copy per visit (no, you can't go to your car and then walk back and count that as a second visit.). GW has also instituted some new online stuff to shut down scalpers, as it was explained to me if you add the set to your cart on preorder day, you must fully complete checkout before it will unlock your IP address for another order. In addition I was told they looked at pre order hype and ordered like 7 times what they expect to be the sales for the first week.

As for the models, I'm in love with them. These Kruel boyz are flipping amazing. They genuinely look terrifying, not silly like the IronJawz and Savage Orcs. I almost want to ditch my Orruck Warclans in favor of just these boyz. The Stormcast are way better than I expected, enough so that I'm finally gonna get that stormcast army I have always wanted. The new Troggoth and the Hobgoblins have to be my favorites so far.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So this is a weird one for me.

The Orks? I like them. I think the models are very characterful and interesting. And I like them taking a fresh approach to what was previous a pretty homogenous race.

But? I don’t love them. I feel no particular desire to own them. And as a dyed in the wool slag for GW, that’s kind of a first for me,

Really? These are an instant buy for me. I loved hearing about how they hid from Chaos and now that that is over they're coming back. I especially like the description of them having elongated arms and legs because they run on all fours and stay low to the ground, hiding in the bog mists and waters. I think these look WAY better than the current ork line.

Upright Orks - interesting. I wonder if they are taller than Orruks?

One of the nice things about AoS is that it is allowing GW to reimagine core races in some novel ways - fish and cow elves, fire dwarfs and now swamp Orcs.

It’s something they really can’t do in 40K without being stormed by a horde of angry fans (admittedly including me).

To be fair, i largely missed the stream, as my friend and her kids were over and they got tore into my Transformers (with permission of course!)

I’ve of course seen the models, but didn’t get the chance to hear the chit chat.

Don’t get me wrong. I definitely do not hate the models. And there’s precisely sod all wrong with them. They’re just leaving me a bit cold is all. I can’t really put my finger on why.

All those amazing mini’s and I’m most intrigued by the commentary on the “darker masters” of the Hobgrots.

Bring the Chaos Duardin!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don’t get me wrong. I definitely do not hate the models. And there’s precisely sod all wrong with them. They’re just leaving me a bit cold is all. I can’t really put my finger on why.

Honestly I feel much the same. Though I'm not an AoS fan so maybe for people who are, they'll get more excited.

I saw them and thought, those are nice looking models, but no I don't want to buy them and no I'm not excited.

For me I think part of it was I thought to myself "Those half orcs look like a fecking nightmare to paint". Having painted many Orcs in the past, I eschew ones that look like they'll be very fiddly to paint.

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 ScarletRose wrote:
I didn't expect the winged stormcast leader to be part of the box.

I'm definitely picking one up, when are the preorders supposed to be?

Some point in June, probably with a two week pre-order lead in like Indomitus had.

Have fun with the scalper bots.

Went by the Warhammer store today. Was told to expect preorder in mid june with a two week set. Then release at the end of the month. Customers being limited to one copy per visit (no, you can't go to your car and then walk back and count that as a second visit.). GW has also instituted some new online stuff to shut down scalpers, as it was explained to me if you add the set to your cart on preorder day, you must fully complete checkout before it will unlock your IP address for another order. In addition I was told they looked at pre order hype and ordered like 7 times what they expect to be the sales for the first week.

As for the models, I'm in love with them. These Kruel boyz are flipping amazing. They genuinely look terrifying, not silly like the IronJawz and Savage Orcs. I almost want to ditch my Orruck Warclans in favor of just these boyz. The Stormcast are way better than I expected, enough so that I'm finally gonna get that stormcast army I have always wanted. The new Troggoth and the Hobgoblins have to be my favorites so far.

Really good to hear about those anti-scalper measures. As for ditching warclans in favor, I have some good news for you; the Great Waaagh! allegiance goes off the ORRUK keyword so you can mix these guys in as soon as you have the warscrolls.

Hobs are definitely my favorite as well, I want an army of THEM!

I'm a bit torn the new Stormcast. I like their sculpts overall but also don't think these would look as good as Stonecast. which was an aesthetic I liked for them.

Not sure what to think about the swampy boys yet tbh.