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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It makes perfect sense, the queue system should mean that it streamlines traffic to the site itself and thus means you don't get the site crashing due to overload which happened during Indomitus.

It also means that, in theory, the site should work smoother and whilst you have to wait, its just the same as if you were pressing f5 and fighting everyone to get stock. It's just now you're in a formal line.

It would make more sense to make enough product so the entire customer base wouldn't be FOMO panic buying on the literal first second a preorder opens.

True and GW's shift to limited starter sets is a curious change from their past operations.

I'm guessing part of it is that in the past a lot of starter sets were 1 big mould of models. Which meant the costs for it were lower as it was just one casting (or two etc...). However it also meant that they wound up with a lot of models all jumbled up on a single sprue which they can't later split down to individual model sales after the starter set is ended.

These short term starters appear to be more focused on having multiple sprues, which likely increases their costs and back end packing aspects and production; but at the same time means they can be spit into smaller sets and individual sets later.


So part of this might just be that GW doesn't want multiple moulds in the production cycle for a long term discount product. So instead they make it a short term discount product and then use parts of it to make smaller starter sets

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The queue system allows the site to function during exceptionally high traffic periods. I suppose it doubles up as a mild anti bot solution.

Getting angry about it almost as bizarre as accusing GW of elitism, because they don't want their customers to look at a DDoSed site for a couple hours as everyone hits F5 over and over again.

Again, the idea of queue access isn't new. Other companies that release limited products do it all the time.
They put it only on the page of the limited product, or make a separate page for that product. GW just..slapped the thing on the whole website, so people who want to buy 2 pots of paint are forced to wait alongside the scalpers and FOMOboys.

Cronch wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The queue system allows the site to function during exceptionally high traffic periods. I suppose it doubles up as a mild anti bot solution.

Getting angry about it almost as bizarre as accusing GW of elitism, because they don't want their customers to look at a DDoSed site for a couple hours as everyone hits F5 over and over again.

Again, the idea of queue access isn't new. Other companies that release limited products do it all the time.
They put it only on the page of the limited product, or make a separate page for that product. GW just..slapped the thing on the whole website, so people who want to buy 2 pots of paint are forced to wait alongside the scalpers and FOMOboys.

It's likely a limit of the store system GW uses and honestly its not a huge problem really. The pre-order window is just one day and chances are it will only be present for part of that day. The majority of customers accessing the store on the preorder day at the preorder time will be people after a preorder.

Liberator vs Vindictor image (from Reddit), The new proportions are definitely better I'm not sure they needed to get taller but then you wouldn't need a new army . This is a single mini with a scenic base for in store painting demos.

Nah, they are the same height. If you remove the difference from the rubble hes standing on, and the poses, they are the same.

Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

If by Primaris you mean unbent knees

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

If by Primaris you mean unbent knees

Brilliant!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

If by Primaris you mean unbent knees

Sooooo... are you hinting at Settramarines? Is there something you're not telling us?

yeah that picture just looks like bent vs strait knees.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

But no though? The scale isn't bigger--it's a pose & base difference. And even IF the scale was bigger they would not be a -literal- analogue to Primaris because the fluff is different and they are just specialized units within the larger army not an army of themselves.

It's SCE getting further development of their equipment & reforging process. The analogue would be if Primaris were a new mark of armour and more effective gene seed preservation.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

But no though? The scale isn't bigger--it's a pose & base difference. And even IF the scale was bigger they would not be a -literal- analogue to Primaris because the fluff is different and they are just specialized units within the larger army not an army of themselves.

It's SCE getting further development of their equipment & reforging process. The analogue would be if Primaris were a new mark of armour and more effective gene seed preservation.

So what you're saying is we won't see a quiet sidelining of the old range?

Interesting but not conclusive in my opinion. I'd definitely want to wait until we have a comparison picture of an old and new Sigmarine with comparable poses.

That said, let's not forget what GW has to work with. The current (male) Sigmarines are... wide. Which broadly only leaves two options to get to the new and improved look. They either retain their bulk but get stretched out so as not to look chubby anymore, or they keep their height to be in line with the old models but look lanky next to them.

There's not a whole lot else that can be done and of the two options I know which one GW will go with every time, so I won't be surprised if the new Sigmarines are in fact taller.

12'' is rather short, but having it on a fighting wizard is decent value (Nagash is always going to be a special case), although, I don't think the game needs so much removal. They did put 'Rally' but that's rather bad trade resource for resource.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

But no though? The scale isn't bigger--it's a pose & base difference. And even IF the scale was bigger they would not be a -literal- analogue to Primaris because the fluff is different and they are just specialized units within the larger army not an army of themselves.

It's SCE getting further development of their equipment & reforging process. The analogue would be if Primaris were a new mark of armour and more effective gene seed preservation.

So what you're saying is we won't see a quiet sidelining of the old range?

Correct; I am reasonably sure we will no doubt get newcast on all the promotional material like Sacrosanct before them, but similarly they will just slot in next to the old stuff.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Literally Primaris Sigmarines after only five years lmao.

But no though? The scale isn't bigger--it's a pose & base difference. And even IF the scale was bigger they would not be a -literal- analogue to Primaris because the fluff is different and they are just specialized units within the larger army not an army of themselves.

It's SCE getting further development of their equipment & reforging process. The analogue would be if Primaris were a new mark of armour and more effective gene seed preservation.

So what you're saying is we won't see a quiet sidelining of the old range?

But the old range was allready sidelined?

I mean. All the "new" stormcast stuff has been new chambers with each one having their own unique aesthetic like the scouts ones and the sacrosant ones. There hasn't been a old-cast release outside special characters since aos 1.0

Hm, perhaps a more precise definition of "sidelined" is required here.

 Galas wrote:

But the old range was allready sidelined?

I mean. All the "new" stormcast stuff has been new chambers with each one having their own unique aesthetic like the scouts ones and the sacrosant ones. There hasn't been a old-cast release outside special characters since aos 1.0

Fair enough

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Solid wording on Redeploy. A handy tool that you may need to think about. The wording on it prevents niche cases like Longstrike Vanguard raptors or Freeguild Handgunners with their overwatch-like abilities, as well as Unleash Hell.

One thing I wonder. Does deepstriking and stuff like that count as a Normal Move?

 Thadin wrote:
Solid wording on Redeploy. A handy tool that you may need to think about. The wording on it prevents niche cases like Longstrike Vanguard raptors or Freeguild Handgunners with their overwatch-like abilities, as well as Unleash Hell.

One thing I wonder. Does deepstriking and stuff like that count as a Normal Move?

Put the Handgunners behind the Swordsmen, now.

Of course, so they can use Unleash Hell. I plan to make people suffer when they charge in to my Clan Rat screens, with Stormfiends 3.5 inches behind them.

 Thadin wrote:
Solid wording on Redeploy. A handy tool that you may need to think about. The wording on it prevents niche cases like Longstrike Vanguard raptors or Freeguild Handgunners with their overwatch-like abilities, as well as Unleash Hell.

One thing I wonder. Does deepstriking and stuff like that count as a Normal Move?

Handy tool? Basically ensures any 1 unit won't get better than 50-50 odds of charging. You need 2 units both that can deal with unit alone to have better than 50-50 odds of charging.

Couple with unleash hell...well hopefully people aren't hoping shooting style reduced. Only 2/3 scenarios having all objectives centerline is good news for melee so far.

Someone's been cribbing from the WHFB book, those are Charge Reactions, except they cost command points.

I am incredulous that people can look at that photo of the old vs new stormcast and explain away the scale creep as 9 degree bent knees... why not just admit they are bigger? Minis are bigger now, so what?

Love the new charge reactions as well. These sort of things just show that slash and burn on WHFB was a poor choice compared to what a tweak would’ve been. Between this and all the Old World characters coming back it just shows that all the pleas that AoS is finding its feet is really just saying its found WHFB’s slippers and is putting them on.

Luke82 wrote:
I am incredulous that people can look at that photo of the old vs new stormcast and explain away the scale creep as 9 degree bent knees... why not just admit they are bigger?

You did notice the tactical rubble he's standing on that's boosting his height as well?

Luke82 wrote:
I am incredulous that people can look at that photo of the old vs new stormcast and explain away the scale creep as 9 degree bent knees... why not just admit they are bigger? Minis are bigger now, so what?

I’m incredulous that there are people who have yet to realise that when you bend your knees, your head gets nearer the ground.

Anyways, I like the new reactions. They are strong, but limited by CP (another other limitations inherent to command abilities, if rumors are to be believed). However I note the shooting one vastly favors units with MW shooting who do not care about the hit roll. Lumineth come to mind, as do Skaven.

OBR article isn't really helpful. They are either going to need a brand new book or a major FAQ to get them to work with 3rd.