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tneva82 wrote:

Liberators and judicators hit with huge point hikes. Pushing new kits or hint of big warscroll improvements?

New basic guys from meanwhile got point drop.

And confirms july is at least intended release month for battletome thoujh delays dke to corona etc possible.

With reinforced units being a thing, might just be their way of getting ahead of MSU Liberators and Judicators being too ridiculous.

They better boost the crossbows nicely to leave only 10pts gap between them and archers, is all I'm saying.

 Overread wrote:
GW have hit most armies with point hikes. They are basically reshaping the game with fewer models at the 2K point. Which pairs well with drawing in new customers and making it fit smaller table sizes as suggested by their new game boards they are selling.

So its a marketing move, but a smart one since game bloat can be a huge issue for wargames at pushing out new people. Of course this doesn't stop you using bigger forces; you just need to have 3K or bigger games.


Considering 40K has Apoc I do wonder if GW will release an equivalent AoS system

Apoc was dropped like it was radioactive the week it released. Why would GW do the same with AoS? They don't seem to want to do it with 40k.

Also these whole "Oh hey they are totally reducing army sizes. That's truly the plan. This is really what they are doing. Honest" when we all know these point changes will last, uh, five months?

Cronch wrote:
They better boost the crossbows nicely to leave only 10pts gap between them and archers, is all I'm saying.

That whole book needs a top down, warscroll by warscroll rewrite. It's 3 (now 4) battletomes all mushed together with no thought put into how it's supposed to function as a cohesive force.

 Overread wrote:
Considering 40K has Apoc I do wonder if GW will release an equivalent AoS system

The Core Book has rules for both siege warfare and tunnel fighting. What would you consider as an equivalent to Apocalypse (other than game size)?

 Earth127 wrote:
Also there have been supply issues with AoS boxed releases as well so the popularity vs 40K argument seems off.

Indomitus went very quickly. You can see get Dominion. Supply issues aren't the problem here.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Gee, it's almost like GW knows that and has been using playtesters/tournament names with followings for a reason...

Considering people figured out that their advice is just as generic and terrible as Warhammer Community's usual fare almost immediately, it isn't helping.

Well the meta-watch articles at least get stats right and while most may not give GOOD advice they certainly don't give awful advice either. Unlike every army preview that has people suggesting rally is the best thing since sliced bread when it is actually a situational tool that does quite poorly in terms of general use.

Unless you took 30 Pink Horrors. I wonder how many days are gonna get ruined before that gets errata'd away.

I will wait for the day-1 FAQ before passing judgement, though in the meantime they are at least restricted by the core rule that units cannot go above starting size; a unit of 30 pinks that has X killed can only out down X blues, not 2X.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
More likely that AoS isn't anywhere near as popular as 40k.

True and truen't. Greenskins are still something people would've liked. 40K is the most popular product, but AoS has to be pretty much underground to not sell.

 CMLR wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
More likely that AoS isn't anywhere near as popular as 40k.

True and truen't. Greenskins are still something people would've liked. 40K is the most popular product, but AoS has to be pretty much underground to not sell.

40k-style Greenskinz, maybe the AoS version is not quite as popular

 Overread wrote:
GW have hit most armies with point hikes. They are basically reshaping the game with fewer models at the 2K point. Which pairs well with drawing in new customers and making it fit smaller table sizes as suggested by their new game boards they are selling.

So its a marketing move, but a smart one since game bloat can be a huge issue for wargames at pushing out new people. Of course this doesn't stop you using bigger forces; you just need to have 3K or bigger games.


Considering 40K has Apoc I do wonder if GW will release an equivalent AoS system

Uuhh...yes i know. Stormcast already got hit by point hikes in new ghb. Now in battletome old ones got even bigger ones and new ones got point drop.

Ghb comes　in 3.7. Old stuff got point hike up,new units added. New battletome comes same month,old ones get even higher additional hike and new ones get drop. First hike was scaling size down. Second one is either significant warscroll change or　push to get people buy the new models to replace overpriced old models.

They are almost certainly getting better stats in the new tome though. Besides the whole 'new stuff op' is nonsense anyways. When was the last time Sacrosanct was the dominant SCE build?

well, you have the sequitors which were plain upgrade over liberators, and evocators which were better than every unit of paladins, and the dracoline riders better than the dracoths, and the only place it wasn't true was heroes, cause SCE had trash heroes to start with.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Probably getting OT but why did she need to fly over to do them? Couldn't they ship the stuff over to her to make a vid?

She used the studio's painted examples, which they probably didn't want to ship, and she often did videos with other members of the Warhammer TV team (like Duncan and Peachy).

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Gee, it's almost like GW knows that and has been using playtesters/tournament names with followings for a reason...

Considering people figured out that their advice is just as generic and terrible as Warhammer Community's usual fare almost immediately, it isn't helping.

Well the meta-watch articles at least get stats right and while most may not give GOOD advice they certainly don't give awful advice either. Unlike every army preview that has people suggesting rally is the best thing since sliced bread when it is actually a situational tool that does quite poorly in terms of general use.

Unless you took 30 Pink Horrors. I wonder how many days are gonna get ruined before that gets errata'd away.

I will wait for the day-1 FAQ before passing judgement, though in the meantime they are at least restricted by the core rule that units cannot go above starting size; a unit of 30 pinks that has X killed can only out down X blues, not 2X.

I can't seem to find that rule in the new rules.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I can't seem to find that rule in the new rules.

Page 30, bottommost sidebar textbox

During a battle, if a unit is at its maximum unit size, no further models can be added to it and any that would be added to it are removed from play.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Probably getting OT but why did she need to fly over to do them? Couldn't they ship the stuff over to her to make a vid?

She used the studio's painted examples, which they probably didn't want to ship, and she often did videos with other members of the Warhammer TV team (like Duncan and Peachy).

She works as an actress and does a lot of stuff outside of GW. Seems she's maybe based in LA? Dunno.

Could have been a million reasons why they stopped working with her, it's not like she was doing videos alone out of her basement, she had a production crew and maybe local restrictions stopped her doing them, or maybe GW thought she was too expensive, or maybe she had other job offers that conflicted, or maybe GW picked up that people found her "how to plays" annoying, maybe she thought it was going to give her more exposure than it did so she turned down further offers. Who knows. She hasn't just abandoned the nerd community or anything like that though, she still does streaming RPGs, board game reviews, how to plays, etc on her own YT channel.

Or, as we said, something happened in the world that prevented long-distance travel.

But that's probably crazy talk...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or, as we said, something happened in the world that prevented long-distance travel.

But that's probably crazy talk...

I mean, this is Dakka, HBMC - completely plausible theories based on real-world events and government policies are far too unlikely to be the real cause...

I don't know about through GW online store but I was able to get a pre-order, with discount, at my FLGS. It was super easy, barely an inconvenience.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or, as we said, something happened in the world that prevented long-distance travel.

But that's probably crazy talk...

I was just offering alternative explanations to the "Why didn't they just ship it to her" thing.

They could have sent her a few bits and pieces and worked with her over zoom to develop a script and if they really desperately wanted to use the one set of studio models and didn't want to ship them or pay someone to paint an alternate set, they could have just filmed those bits in the UK and combined the model footage with footage filmed by her crew in the US.

I don't think any of that would have been much harder than pre-covid days of flying her out for a few days to film, either in terms of logistics or overall expense.

But they didn't, for whatever reason.

Travel restrictions don't apply to anyone with money.

but if it costs a cent more than planned, it's not going to happen.

 Matrindur wrote:


Also from the learn to play videos, you can see a new unit named Vanquishers here

Is GW trying to move away from general unlocking battleline units as I see Sequitors not requiring Lord-Arcanum anymore to be a battleline.

Interestingly Hunters aren't listed as Battleline, which do require a general to unlock.

 lare2 wrote:
Interestingly Hunters aren't listed as Battleline, which do require a general to unlock.

There's some speculation that they are being renamed into Vanquishers. IMO, it has some credibility with the SC set getting retired for Vanguard and two of the three Vanguard kits(Palladors and Hunters) have been Direct Only for over the past year.

I would genuinely not be shocked if that were the case seeing those points, seeing as they were 120 points in the most recent battletome.

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Cronch wrote:
well, you have the sequitors which were plain upgrade over liberators, and evocators which were better than every unit of paladins, and the dracoline riders better than the dracoths, and the only place it wasn't true was heroes, cause SCE had trash heroes to start with.

An artfully done avoidance of the question, though still extremely disingenuous unless someone is balancing via wounds count.


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 Dysartes wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or, as we said, something happened in the world that prevented long-distance travel.

But that's probably crazy talk...

I mean, this is Dakka, HBMC - completely plausible theories based on real-world events and government policies are far too unlikely to be the real cause...

I think we all wish that was just a Dakka thing...

My local store couldn't sell dominion and ended up selling at cost (£85) just to get his money back. It seems to be doing rather poorly

 Motograter wrote:
My local store couldn't sell dominion and ended up selling at cost (£85) just to get his money back. It seems to be doing rather poorly

And yet we are not even half way through the pre-order. I can't help but feel shops already selling "at cost" are going into panic mode a bit early. As a new edition box all the contents will remain viable for quite a few years (ergo the rules). Meanwhile the models are GW models; they generally only go one way with value and that is up. It's rare things come down in price so they'd also be fairly safe.


Granted if your store is right on the knife edge of finances they might have to sell at cost to release money ;but still its a 2 week pre-order and a boxed set that should be viable for a few years before the rules are replaced. So it should be a safe product to slow sell.




AoS is big but not as big as marines and 40K; but its still one of the biggest fantasy model lines out there in the market. Still perhaps stores selling at cost locally will encourage more local growth so its a short term loss but a long term gain

(ninja'd by Overread)

 Motograter wrote:
My local store couldn't sell dominion and ended up selling at cost (£85) just to get his money back. It seems to be doing rather poorly

Is judging sales just from pre-orders normal business practice nowadays? I mean, the box isn't even out yet for another ~10 days ... well, we're living in a FOMO world, I guess ...