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 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

There are rumours going around (from allegedly reliable sources) that there is a big HH update coming, with new plastics and a bit of tidying up of the rules (though not moving to 9th) and the end of the black books.

Tavis75 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

There are rumours going around (from allegedly reliable sources) that there is a big HH update coming, with new plastics and a bit of tidying up of the rules (though not moving to 9th) and the end of the black books.

I could see that. They already have a majority of the non-specialist infantry sprues for terminators and power armor in plastic. A plastic Sicaran chassis would be very cost effective, perhaps do a plastic levi as well and you have the most popular models covered.

I wonder if it has anything to do with HH being old marine centered?

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

I imagine the site-wide 20-40% price increase from a few years ago definitely put a dent in their sales. Also gutting the range of upgrade kits, transfers, and armor marks may seem minor to many people, but personalization is a big part of what makes 30K attractive to people, building and personalizing one of 18 unique legions is a highlight for many. Taking away these options completely rather than making them made to order to save warehouse space is nothing but a detriment to themselves.

People are buying recasts and 3D printing because the models are too damn expensive

Forgeworld should be riding the wave of the Siege of Terra books, the original Isstvan Legions should be getting new units and updates to balance out the book 7-present rules, missing unique characters should be made, legion specific leviathans and praetors should be made for every legion, plastic kits and box sets need to be seen again. My LGS alone went through 68 or so boxes of Prospero burns, cause it was such a great deal. Add some incentive back into the game, hire a more competent rules team.

Give Vulkan a master-crafted weapon lol.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I imagine the site-wide 20-40% price increase from a few years ago definitely put a dent in their sales. Also gutting the range of upgrade kits, transfers, and armor marks may seem minor to many people, but personalization is a big part of what makes 30K attractive to people, building and personalizing one of 18 unique legions is a highlight for many. Taking away these options completely rather than making them made to order to save warehouse space is nothing but a detriment to themselves.

This for me is the main factor. My city has quite a large 30k community and i'd love to be able to get into it. But because of the distinct lack of of MkII armour, I cannot faithfully recreate the early crusade-era Dark Angels I desire so much.

Historically, price was also a factor, as 30k was obscenely more expensive then the already painfully pricey 40k. But now, the 40k prices are so near to 30k prices, that it's a reasonably attractive proposition

I am not sure how much 3d printing, IME the 3dprinting tends to just be for bits or weapons for legions. Things they dont sell.
The removal of Mk2 was a bit daft TBH.
Their biggest sin IMO is lack of transperancy.
MAybe we will get plastics, with those new bike patters(Estoc i think it is)
I dont play nore do i plan too, but im building a small display force and i personally will like that.

Seeing there's 3d print files of pretty much everything from infantry to tanks to fliers to super heavies are out there...

Tavis75 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

There are rumours going around (from allegedly reliable sources) that there is a big HH update coming, with new plastics and a bit of tidying up of the rules (though not moving to 9th) and the end of the black books.

I wouldn't complain about that. For a ton of the flaws in the current game, Vehicles using the regular unit profile and the AP modification system are things that I'd like to see used in 30k. I know not everyone agrees with me on that (especially the vehicle rules) but the All-Or-Nothing AP system is straight garbage.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Theres little doubt in my mind at this point that the HH brand has been mismanaged. It seems they'd rather it fade away and be brushed under the table. It was so promising when it began and the angron sculpt was revealed, so much promise. But now it's like the red headed stepchild.

Thing is, the game is still popular! They were stunned when they sold through their Sabre stock not long after release and the black books vanish all too quickly. I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I dunno...I think it's pretty self-evident. They're doing *just enough* to keep the 'whales' on the hook, but don't really want to devote the resources to growing the game or even supporting a larger 30K community. Hence the releases are mostly special units, characters and vehicles for customers who already have their armies.

Thing is...I'm not sure 30K was ever expected to be more than a micro-niche thing. But Mr. Bligh's herculean efforts -- combined with some dissatisfaction with 7th ed. 40K -- took it to some surprisingly lofty heights. Sadly the game lost its brains and champion, and this coincided with a continuing upsurge with 40K proper. It actually makes some sense that they don't want to put too much support behind a second 'future Warhammer' game. GW wants to sell plastic kits -- not resin -- and it's a messier product, with support that was too spotty even at its high point. And now that the rulesets have diverged, I'm not sure how much cross-pollination goes on between the systems.

It seems like some in the community keep talking themselves into rumors of new starter sets and plastics, but I think it's clear enough which way the wind is blowing.

I juwst hope we get khan soon TBH

 gorgon wrote:
Thing is...I'm not sure 30K was ever expected to be more than a micro-niche thing.

I tend to agree. While there might have been big plans (Heresy into the Siege into the Scouring), there was a lot of luck and happy accidents - a sculptor's personal project army getting an official stamp and becoming the Solar Auxilla, for example.


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 gorgon wrote:
It seems like some in the community keep talking themselves into rumors of new starter sets and plastics, but I think it's clear enough which way the wind is blowing.

I'm hopeful but I think the chance of a third boxed game are slim at this point.

I just had X3 Demios Rhinos and Sanguinius show up from Forgeworld. Sanguinius looks great of course, but the resin bits to the demios rhinos were kind of gak. The side pieces needed a decent amount of heat bending, which is kind of an expectation with resin so no biggie, but they seem to have shrunk from their intended size. They fit on the plastic portion of the Rhino but cause the treads to be seated at an angle. Kind of annoying since they're like $52 a pop.

Reminder to people, this site is firmly against recasting and violating companies IP. Your own personal stance on the matter is irrelevant, do not discuss it here.

Thing is...I'm not sure 30K was ever expected to be more than a micro-niche thing.

I don't think you publish 9 massive hardcover, fully illustrated campaign books, multiple actual rulebooks, and a HUGE range of resin miniatures and upgrade bits for 18 space marine legions, not to mention two full plastic box sets that sell like hotcakes, for something that's never intended to be more than "micro-niche".

Maybe the game did take off more than FW or GW ever expected, but that's all the more reason to dedicate more support to it. The community of players is there. They'll buy the plastic and resin kits. The only question is why the company itself is so reluctant to show any sign of further supporting the game.

(It's also time to stop the "Well Alan Bligh's passing derailed the entire 30k effort" line. That was 4 years ago, and there have been a decent number of releases since then.)

Well gw is known to kill games that exceeded own sale expectations by 400%….

Maybe it competed too hard with 40k marines

The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

 General Kroll wrote:
The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

You mean this one?

 Orodhen wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

You mean this one?

Yup, try finding it on the British site.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Orodhen wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

You mean this one?

Yup, try finding it on the British site.

No Xiphon on the Australian site either.

 Mr. Grey wrote:


Maybe the game did take off more than FW or GW ever expected, but that's all the more reason to dedicate more support to it. The community of players is there. They'll buy the plastic and resin kits. The only question is why the company itself is so reluctant to show any sign of further supporting the game.

FW is less profitable than GW proper and also cannibalises GW proper in a way that no other product can, on top of being extremely vulnerable to undercutting from counterfeit product, plus they've made first-born marines a lot less attractive now that they've re-scaled marine proportions into something a lot nicer than every marine in the FW range. They're letting FW die, or at the very least not expanding, this thread is evidence of that (ie pretty much a dead thread, there's no FW news because FW is on a steep downward trend). I can see why they're doing it tbh, personally I'd prefer they just adopt Primaris scale and keep going but can't really blame them for shifting out entirely. I hope they keep the current inventory though.

Unsure if you've already discussed this, but someone in the r/Warhammer discord pointed out that the Achillus, Aquilon (w. Destructors) and Venatari are all marked as 'SOLD OUT' on the site, at least the US one. I read a bunch of doom & gloom comments here and started worrying. No official communication from FW in regards to this?

 TigerMafia wrote:
Unsure if you've already discussed this, but someone in the r/Warhammer discord pointed out that the Achillus, Aquilon (w. Destructors) and Venatari are all marked as 'SOLD OUT' on the site, at least the US one. I read a bunch of doom & gloom comments here and started worrying. No official communication from FW in regards to this?

Both the GW & FW sites are having issues with things showing as sold out (or just disappearing) rather than out of stock.

Oh, ok. That's comforting.

 TigerMafia wrote:
Oh, ok. That's comforting.

They're all still on the UK site (Aquilon w/ Firepikes are "TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK") so either the Citadel (or wherever they US hub is now) is out of stock or it's the website bug.

Maloghurst the Twisted will be available to pre-order soon, apparently.

And reqular previews of new models

tneva82 wrote:
And reqular previews of new models

Actual good news! About time they started doing previews. Who knows, this may lead into a new book...

Some legions get all the nice models, and others are left with the dregs.

That model is sweet and has proportions more similar to the new plastic CSM (this is good).

I see this is becoming a chaos sorcerer or lord for lots of CSM players