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The problem with endless revision paid for by the end user is it creates terrible games and terrible incentives. There's something nice about the idea of a black book that has to stand the test of time. So this reference to "oh you can like totally use the black books with the new rules, but some will be replaced" has me rolling my eyes a bit. Adding content in newer smaller volumes is one thing but that can be done without messing with what's already out there, and this is the problem of "new rules", It doesn't need new core rules and I certainly don't trust GW to handle that either way.

Until the staff at my local GW are chatting about it with me I'm not believing any of these rumours. Might be a bit too late at that point but they're not stupid and know my group is heavy into 30k and will likely get it from them.

Better more acessible rules and models would be a big boon for HH.
Everything in that post sounds like a positive to me

 Gert wrote:
Until the staff at my local GW are chatting about it with me I'm not believing any of these rumours. Might be a bit too late at that point but they're not stupid and know my group is heavy into 30k and will likely get it from them.

Redshirts know as much as you or I. There's a reason "my friendly GW staffer told me..." is widely mocked as a rumour source.

*Ahem* they wear black shirts thank you very much.
Plus they've not steered me wrong so far. For example, I was planning on expanding my R&H force I was told to wait for an upcoming box. The Blackstone adversary box with a bunch of the Traitor Guard stuff was released about a month later so I didn't waste my money on stuff I didn't need.

Blackshirts in Warhammer replaced Redshirts in Games Workshop Stores.

Blackshirts are the new Redshirts.

Um, I would avoid calling them that.
"Blackshirts" was the name given to members of the British Union of Fascists aka the British version of the Nazi Party.

 Gert wrote:
Um, I would avoid calling them that.
"Blackshirts" was the name given to members of the British Union of Fascists aka the British version of the Nazi Party.

Also the Fascist Party in Italy and an Elite Unit of Oliver Cromwell in thr English Civil Wars.

I dont know what to make of the exact details of these rumours, but I consider it very plausible that GW will take over running HH from FW. And we already know that a new launch box is coming, and that was already estimated to arrive in Q4 2021 before these latest Reddit rumours were posted.

And now, seeing this new model with better proportions, I'm inclined to believe that recuts of at least some firstborn kits will be coming in the near future.

 Gert wrote:
Um, I would avoid calling them that.
"Blackshirts" was the name given to members of the British Union of Fascists aka the British version of the Nazi Party.

I assume that's entirely intentional.

That MKIII plastic looks like garbage next to that SOH. I honestly hope they rescale the plastics they have, probably not gonna happen but one could hope.

I like truescaled minis and always have but that fig seems a bit too lanky though I like the hand and let proportions. If he w as a 3d model, I'd resize the xy plane to 105-110% to give him more heft uniformly.

I definitely wouldn't say they are true-scale. True-scale marines end up being as big as primaris if not bigger most the time. GW seem obsessed with making standard humans as tall as firstborn marines these days, so a little height bump is welcome as long as they don't match or exceed Primaris. I quite like the idea of Primaris being slightly bigger. He may be a tad lanky though I agree. Not nearly as bad as the pre-plastic MKIV kits though.

 warboss wrote:
I like truescaled minis and always have but that fig seems a bit too lanky though I like the hand and let proportions. If he w as a 3d model, I'd resize the xy plane to 105-110% to give him more heft uniformly.

The upper legs seems too thin; especially for what should be a very muscular transhumance wearing an under-suit under thick armor.


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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I definitely wouldn't say they are true-scale. True-scale marines end up being as big as primaris if not bigger most the time. GW seem obsessed with making standard humans as tall as firstborn marines these days, so a little height bump is welcome as long as they don't match or exceed Primaris. I quite like the idea of Primaris being slightly bigger. He may be a tad lanky though I agree. Not nearly as bad as the pre-plastic MKIV kits though.

I agree with you. The redesigned CSM seem the sweet spot - taller, but not as tall as Primaris, and still have a menacing bulk to them. Giving old style/Firstborn longer thighs and an abdomen (finally) did wonders.

There're still People, believing those new Heresy Marines will have the same Scale than pre Death Watch Marines...

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I definitely wouldn't say they are true-scale. True-scale marines end up being as big as primaris if not bigger most the time. GW seem obsessed with making standard humans as tall as firstborn marines these days, so a little height bump is welcome as long as they don't match or exceed Primaris. I quite like the idea of Primaris being slightly bigger. He may be a tad lanky though I agree. Not nearly as bad as the pre-plastic MKIV kits though.

Well to be true scale first born needs to be head shorter than primaris

tneva82 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I definitely wouldn't say they are true-scale. True-scale marines end up being as big as primaris if not bigger most the time. GW seem obsessed with making standard humans as tall as firstborn marines these days, so a little height bump is welcome as long as they don't match or exceed Primaris. I quite like the idea of Primaris being slightly bigger. He may be a tad lanky though I agree. Not nearly as bad as the pre-plastic MKIV kits though.

Well to be true scale first born needs to be head shorter than primaris

Still no.

 tauist wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:
Size comparison of the "leaked" SoH mini and the current MkIII marines:

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The new proportions looks so much better! It's scary how much difference a new set of legs makes.
I'd say this new sculpt wouldn't look too shabby even next to a Primaris model.

Looks like the new model uses GW's new seven-heads-tall scale instead of the old "heroic" six. Actual tall humans are around eight heads. Newer GW models like this one have smaller heads so they won't be too much taller than the old ones. The way the models in the picture are arranged (newer on a taller base and a little further back) makes the height difference seem larger than it is.

The completed SoH Praetor that was sent instead of Maloghurst has been posted by a painting studio on Instagram, I like it quite a lot:

What's the base size?

32 I think:

 ImAGeek wrote:
32 I think

Yeah, I assumed so. He isn't particularly big then. Barely taller than the base is wide. Though it is always a tad tricky to judge by a picture.

Wow, the old plastic minis look like crap compared to the proportions of the new ones if that not-Maloghurst mini is anythign to go by. Those proportions are so much nicer (IMO). Can you mix them together? Yeah, but I wouldn't want to.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wow, the old plastic minis look like crap compared to the proportions of the new ones if that not-Maloghurst mini is anythign to go by. Those proportions are so much nicer (IMO). Can you mix them together? Yeah, but I wouldn't want to.

I mean that's the reaction the primaris caused in many people. I really couldn't look at the old marines after that.

Proportions wise, I like it very much, but the marine inside must be a stick figure to fit inside those legs.

 Crimson wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wow, the old plastic minis look like crap compared to the proportions of the new ones if that not-Maloghurst mini is anythign to go by. Those proportions are so much nicer (IMO). Can you mix them together? Yeah, but I wouldn't want to.

I mean that's the reaction the primaris caused in many people. I really couldn't look at the old marines after that.

Personally I still find primaris a little unsettlingly off in proportions, they're just too human-in-power-armour, not astartes enough.

The deathwatch/new chaos marines scale is the sweet spot, I feel.

Primaris are too lanky, given how much Power Armour they're wearing

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Primaris are too lanky, given how much Power Armour they're wearing

Exactly. The inhumanly broad build of an astartes comboed with the thickness of the armour and the gigantic pauldroncore aesthetic of 40k makes the Primaris look like an unaugmented human. One that's taller than a space marine by half a head, perhaps, but proportionately not like a space marine regardless.

Anyhow yeah, hoping for plastic Mark 2 down the line somewhere, I'd love to get my hands on some of that.

Love this model, one of the best Praetors they've done.

 Crablezworth wrote:

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ERJAK wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
If they make the black books irrelevant, they never understood 30k to begin with. I don't play it for the fluff either, I play it because it's a much better game than what 40k has become. I don't know why they'd be in such a hurry to ruin it.

Subjective. The armies may be better balanced(may) but 7th edition is a trashfire.

You're right, we could improve it by having grots stop baneblades in their tracks, tack on a really bad ap system and eliminate unit types all together and just have every other model fly because reasons. 30k really need all their weapons to be RND nightmares with D6 shots and AP. The real tragedy of 7th and 30k is my flyers can't assault bunkers.

7th (30k) is far better than the collectable card game with models that is 40k now.

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I really don't think 30k will be improved by having every battle be on planet giant L's in the middle of the board or having every objective be an giant circle with advertisements on it.

Almost broke my exalt button on this one.


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 Albertorius wrote:
Proportions wise, I like it very much, but the marine inside must be a stick figure to fit inside those legs.

I suppose that some marines are thinner than others. Some taller. Some with more bling… I like that these can be used together. I will never own a restartes.
I like the old one better. If with the details of the newer model, then best. The rumours posted earlier from reddit claim that upgrade sprues will remain more or less compatible.