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DominayTrix wrote: If you are going to give medical advice please cite sources. If you are wrong and someone re-uses a mask that they think is safe you could get someone killed.
Maybe if you are seeking out critical medical advice on a forum for toy soldiers, and you got sick, you kind of did it to yourself a little bit, though?
Pretty much THE worst place to go. Nerds tend to think they're experts on everything, especially in areas where they have no practical experience.
DominayTrix wrote: If you are going to give medical advice please cite sources. If you are wrong and someone re-uses a mask that they think is safe you could get someone killed.
Maybe if you are seeking out critical medical advice on a forum for toy soldiers, and you got sick, you kind of did it to yourself a little bit, though?
Pretty much THE worst place to go. Nerds tend to think they're experts on everything, especially in areas where they have no practical experience.
Wargamers are second highest IQ per hobby group after astronomers. You will get a shotgun splatter of opinions and chances are some will be good.
You can learn a lot from Dakka when you think past the memes of internet knowledge.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Exactly...IQ <> knowledge, and nerds tend not to be the type to say "I don't know." They'd rather give an invented answer in order to sound smart(-er than you), and any real knowledge tends to get lost in the noise.
If I want to learn about the most efficient SM build, what anime I should watch, or other random nerd stuff...sure, this place is valuable. But not for basically anything else in life, LOL.
gorgon wrote: Exactly...IQ <> knowledge, and nerds tend not to be the type to say "I don't know." They'd rather give an invented answer in order to sound smart(-er than you), and any real knowledge tends to get lost in the noise.
If I want to learn about the most efficient SM build, what anime I should watch, or other random nerd stuff...sure, this place is valuable. But not for basically anything else in life, LOL.
Knowledge comes from thinking, not only from asking others to think for you. Every idea originates from someone, and not all have a source solely in empirical science. Opinion is not invaluable, the internet dilutes value but doesnt eliminate it. Have more faith in your fellow forum members there are many voices here worth listening to, you can find which ones by yourself.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Easy E wrote: The mortality rate on this is still startling small for the "panic" that it is generating.
It's not the mortality rate that's troubling, it's how contagious it is.
Indeed. 2% mortality rate doesn't sound bad, until you realize that it is very likely that a significant majority of the worlds population will be infected with it at some point. Sooner rather than later.
327 million people in the US. If everybody catches it and the mortality rate holds, that is 6.5 million dead in the span of at most a couple years. That would be a pretty major catastrophe. It would be on par with the Spanish flu which was around 2-3% fatality rate, but potentially more infectious AND its not sneaking in with WW1 as a distraction for public awareness.
And if there is any truth to China covering up how many people are dying and suppressing the numbers the actual mortality could be higher.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Yep. Pretty much only bowing been my experience. Except finnish speaking friends who come here requlary. And one grand motherly woman who did neither. She gave high five followed by bear hug much to my bemusement.
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gorgon wrote: Exactly...IQ <> knowledge, and nerds tend not to be the type to say "I don't know." They'd rather give an invented answer in order to sound smart(-er than you), and any real knowledge tends to get lost in the noise.
If I want to learn about the most efficient SM build, what anime I should watch, or other random nerd stuff...sure, this place is valuable. But not for basically anything else in life, LOL.
Knowledge comes from thinking, not only from asking others to think for you. Every idea originates from someone, and not all have a source solely in empirical science. Opinion is not invaluable, the internet dilutes value but doesnt eliminate it. Have more faith in your fellow forum members there are many voices here worth listening to, you can find which ones by yourself.
Humans imo have two ways to learn:
A: Learn from own mistakes. Most effective generally.
B: learning from others mistakes. Requires a bit of thought sometimes.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
It's not in my workplace yet, but it is having a big impact on what we can make and sell as nothing is happening in China and a lot less planes are flying around
Swiss federal council has forbidden all festivals etc.
wellp, this one going to get ugly potentially.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Easy E wrote: The mortality rate on this is still startling small for the "panic" that it is generating.
It's not the mortality rate that's troubling, it's how contagious it is.
Indeed. 2% mortality rate doesn't sound bad, until you realize that it is very likely that a significant majority of the worlds population will be infected with it at some point. Sooner rather than later.
327 million people in the US. If everybody catches it and the mortality rate holds, that is 6.5 million dead in the span of at most a couple years. That would be a pretty major catastrophe. It would be on par with the Spanish flu which was around 2-3% fatality rate, but potentially more infectious AND its not sneaking in with WW1 as a distraction for public awareness.
And if there is any truth to China covering up how many people are dying and suppressing the numbers the actual mortality could be higher.
Not to mention the massive economic impact of having so many people with reduced labor capacity, and the impact of their changes in spending habits while sick.
It's not in my workplace yet, but it is having a big impact on what we can make and sell as nothing is happening in China and a lot less planes are flying around
Thanks Kroem, much appreciated.
Spoiler:
Ernestas wrote: My country already have one confirmed case. 40 kilometers from my home town, yay I guess. People here are on an edge already and if it turns out that virus is out and infecting people on its own, nation will be closed down and some people are already buying out stores. Woman who contracted virus obviously traveled through airport, went through major town, maybe took bus. With incubation period of up to one week we will know only next week if virus is spreading or not. Our company had released a mandate that anyone who came back from country where this virus spreads gets half a month of paid holiday (remote work). No exceptions. No matter how you feel.
If you ask me, instead of fearing it, we should view it as a generous gift for what it is. We should spread it instead, sell it that no home would go without this gift. Vials of virus cocktails should be available where individual could use it to infect himself with diseases. One to get sick. Another to inject weakened virus through most unfavorable conditions. In this way, actual mortality and severity of disease would drop severely as individual effectively immunitized himself. Hmm, I think Nurgle was right all along! Even air here grew cold as this gift had arrived. Coincidence? I think not!
In the end, I enjoy this pandemic. I'm one tough bastard and I'm rather amused and welcome this challenge. So, I'm not worried at all about this cute little disease doing me any harm. Yet, this panic and fear is useful that it is quite likely to get paid vacation time for free.
That sounds like heresy to me....
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Ernestas also wants you to throw away your lasrifle and only use your sword in combat. Not only is he promoting the waste of Emperor Gifted weapons, but also the audacity to propose that regular infantryman should be issued with swords like their higher ranking betters!
He's clearly insane and touched by the taint of chaos.
Not to mention that whilst physical fitness is a good benefit for fighting off sickness, its not the only thing. MANY a strong and powerful person has been struck low by sickness without warning or any chance of recovery without medical aid.
Ernestas, while I admire your pluck and apparent physical fitness, I feel like I ought to warn you - if you're a man over 40, you really should be careful. Moreso than any other group, that one seems most affected. We've actually had official government correspondence telling us so. Maybe you are a tough dude, but you might just be unfortunate enough to be pre-disposed to catching this. Take care of yourself, please.
As for shortages and panic buying... Also not fun. My town has run out of toilet paper for some reason??? Also, people are starting to buy up the rice, and other dried foods. Might be a crazy one.
As for PM Abe closing the schools. Most regional governments here spent all of today in a flap. Seems to be going off of a school-by-school basis, with a lot of local politicians trying to win points by either siding with, or rejecting the PM. I've still not heard what my school is going to do, seems like we'll have a better picture on Monday.
I work for a vacation company for my day job. It’s effecting our biz a lot, customers are canceling left and right but for the most part are happy to exchange for something 6-12 months later or a different destination. What really sucks for customers is they can’t cancel their airfare.. airlines never give refunds. Biggest crooks of all time. But there are still people booking trips, so at least not everyone is drinking the kool aid the news media is handing out. Still has me a bit worried about my cruise in June, final payment is due next week, and we already paid for our non refundable flights so we kinda have to go.
This sort of epidemic was inevitable given global travel patterns. It is somewhat surprising it took this long for one to take off.
It is sad for the people who are especially vulnerable - older people and those with pre-existing medical conditions. I don't think it will be easy to contain the disease unless you have some sort of significant geographical barrier. Even then, it would take fairly draconian measures that most democracies would not take to stop the spread.
As a young(ish) person with no medical issues, I am not super worried for myself, but I am concerned about my elderly relatives, particularly my in laws who are in their late seventies and eighties. My wife already lost her father in November, I don't want anything to happen to her mother or aunt and uncle. Edit: Though I know it was just a hypothetical, I think it is unrealistic to imagine the entire population of any country or even city being infected. A lot of people world wide will probably die, but the chances of EVERY person being infected...well it is unrealstic to think that. 2% mortality on something this contagious is obviously pretty bad though. I hope they can get a vaccine up and running soon.
Edit2: Huh. My school is closed for students on Monday. I work in an International School, we have been on Spring Break. I guess it makes sense, we have many students from China, Iran, Italy and other places where the outbreak is more severe than here. I will be going in in any case to be informed about the plan. It might be that we are only closed for a day or so as we get procedures in place for how to deal with this, or we might be closed more long term. As a hub of international travel, we are a greater risk for sure.
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Necros wrote: I work for a vacation company for my day job. It’s effecting our biz a lot, customers are canceling left and right but for the most part are happy to exchange for something 6-12 months later or a different destination. What really sucks for customers is they can’t cancel their airfare.. airlines never give refunds. Biggest crooks of all time. But there are still people booking trips, so at least not everyone is drinking the kool aid the news media is handing out. Still has me a bit worried about my cruise in June, final payment is due next week, and we already paid for our non refundable flights so we kinda have to go.
I've found now is actually the best time to travel. So many travel sites are cutting costs and hotels are almost empty in some places. It's quite nice to pick and choose for relatively cheap prices.
Orlanth wrote: Knowledge comes from thinking, not only from asking others to think for you. Every idea originates from someone, and not all have a source solely in empirical science. Opinion is not invaluable, the internet dilutes value but doesnt eliminate it. Have more faith in your fellow forum members there are many voices here worth listening to, you can find which ones by yourself.
This quote could be directly pulled from every parent who goes to a facebook group or mommy blog for advice on vaccines.
I stand by my statement that if you come to the Dakka OT for medical advice, you deserve what you get.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Orlanth wrote: Knowledge comes from thinking, not only from asking others to think for you. Every idea originates from someone, and not all have a source solely in empirical science. Opinion is not invaluable, the internet dilutes value but doesnt eliminate it. Have more faith in your fellow forum members there are many voices here worth listening to, you can find which ones by yourself.
This quote could be directly pulled from every parent who goes to a facebook group or mommy blog for advice on vaccines.
I stand by my statement that if you come to the Dakka OT for medical advice, you deserve what you get.
Leave it to Ouze to succinctly say the obvious.
My only recommendation is this: discuss any questions that you may have with your healthcare providers. If your employment has an Occupational Health coordinator, start there... if you, like I do, work in the healthcare field, reach out to your Infection Control department. The health institutions and various levels of governments has plans in effect and/or in the works to address this.
I'm surrounded by pharmacists in my line of work and everyone here has the finger on this "pulse". The biggest difference I have found in the literature and my discussions between this virus and other flu viruses is that there is no vaccine for this one. Also, since this strain is new folks never had it before, so our bodies have had no previous experience with which to build up an immunity, i.e., a means of fighting it off naturally. So we’re more than likely to get sick if we contract the virus.
Further, this one is airborne, it seems, which many people are now casually citing as “proof” that this coronavirus is different from a flu. Where In fact, many other flu viruses are also airborne viruses.
Frankly, what the amount that medical experts know about any virus is dwarfed by the amount they don’t know, which is why they are continually correcting themselves and adjusting the textbooks.
SIDEBAR: it's really interesting to work with numerous viologist/microbiologist where they almost always fit in two category:
1) The germophobe kind - they know the bugs and where they live
2) The 'eat food off the floor' kind - they know the bugs and where they live
Almost no daylight between the two.
Is coronavirus technically a flu virus? At the moment, many sources say “there are differences,” but then they cite differences that have more to do with severity or intangible unknowns about this virus, rather than essentially non-influenza facts about it.
It acts a lot like a flu, is spread like a flu, has symptoms like a flu, and it is being compared most closely to the SARS and MERS outbreaks, which those are now categorized as influenza outbreaks. Treatments strategies are very similar between the two and over time we'll figure out the optimal treatment plans.
TL;DR: This coronavirus-19 is a virus that causes symptoms explicitly comparable to flu symptoms, and requires treatment like a flu, and is susceptible to an eventual vaccine discovery, like flu viruses. It is something we ought to be aware of and take precautions just like the seasonal influenza we experience every year. But, as it stands it is not The Black Plague nor the Spanish Flu of 1918 (a strain of H1n1), so there's no reason to start inching towards your bug-out bag and disappear. Just practice the same common sense as you do during flu seasons... that is, wash yo hands you filthy animals!!!!
It's really weird. Normally, I'm more concerned about catching something and infecting my family when I get back whilst on a work rotation.
Now I'm actually safer than my family, as two cases have been confirmed in the Netherlands with a bunch more just across the German border, and here in Angola there's nothing yet.
Orlanth wrote: Knowledge comes from thinking, not only from asking others to think for you. Every idea originates from someone, and not all have a source solely in empirical science. Opinion is not invaluable, the internet dilutes value but doesnt eliminate it. Have more faith in your fellow forum members there are many voices here worth listening to, you can find which ones by yourself.
This quote could be directly pulled from every parent who goes to a facebook group or mommy blog for advice on vaccines.
I stand by my statement that if you come to the Dakka OT for medical advice, you deserve what you get.
Leave it to Ouze to succinctly say the obvious.
Leave it to Ouze to crop a quote to destroy its actual context, and then mis-attribute it to a different subtopic. The above was a reply to a specific point.
I did NOT say going to Dakka for medical advice was a good idea. That was another persons conversation deeper in the thread, and seen correctly as a joke comment. Come on guys reading isn't hard.
What I said was that you can get a decent range of opinions from Dakka. We can have an intelligent conversation on COVID-19, well some of us can. This doesnt mean we are claiming to be doctors.
Stop with the strawman BS please.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
The weird thing is I'm not even really directing a single thing I said at you, but rather that other person in the thread, who kept scolding people who gave out allegedly bad information about facemasks that "could get someone killed". Yeah, that's what you get when you get medical information from 40K message boards, and blaming the message board for army men for not being the CDC is... wrong-headed, lets say.
Sure, there is value in having general discussion here, I mean it's an interesting news topic. But it definitely cannot and should not be a vehicle for anything in terms of practical, useful medical advice and getting upset that it isn't isn't really different than getting upset they didn't make your Big Mac correctly at Taco Bell.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Ouze wrote: I quoted your entire post, 100% of it. Claiming I cropped it to distort your meaning is a bald-faced lie, but you do you.
What you didnt do is quote the context.
Leave it to Ouze to crop a quote to destroy its actual context, and then mis-attribute it to a different subtopic.
You misappropriated to a different subtopic, getting medical advice from Dakka rather than the actual conversation with gorgon which was to claim that you can get useful opinions from Dakka.
Let me put it another way in the hope you understand more clearly:
We can discuss sports tactics in an american football game without needing to be the quarterback. We might have something valid to say, pundits often do. Sometimes they see things the coach does not.
We can have discussions on historical subjects without having been there.
This is normal.
The weird thing is I'm not even really directing a single thing I said at you, but rather that other person in the thread, who kept scolding people who gave out allegedly bad information about facemasks that "could get someone killed". Yeah, that's what you get when you get medical information from 40K message boards, and blaming the message board for army men for not being the CDC is... wrong-headed, lets say.
That is fine, and is a good case in point. I was going to link an article from the Guardian today, which covers this and another topic. In fact lets do this right now.
It is quite reasonable to get 'valid medical advice' from an everyday citizen, including a Dakka member, if the everyday citizen heeds the broadcast medical advice on how to use masks properly or similar broadcast information. There is no irony in this as the advice is broadcast simply and in non medical language so that ordinary people can inform each other.
Anyway the article was also useful to the thread also for this:
Claim: ‘It is no more dangerous than winter flu’
Many individuals who get coronavirus will experience nothing worse than seasonal flu symptoms, but the overall profile of the disease, including its mortality rate, looks more serious. At the start of an outbreak the apparent mortality rate can be an overestimate if a lot of mild cases are being missed. But this week, a WHO expert suggested that this has not been the case with Covid-19. Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and the country’s response, said the evidence did not suggest that we were only seeing the tip of the iceberg. If borne out by further testing, this could mean that current estimates of a roughly 1% fatality rate are accurate. This would make Covid-19 about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
Might help with the 'flu is worse' aspect of this thread.
Sure, there is value in having general discussion here, I mean it's an interesting news topic. But it definitely cannot and should not be a vehicle for anything in terms of practical, useful medical advice and getting upset that it isn't isn't really different than getting upset they didn't make your Big Mac correctly at Taco Bell.
Sure, normally. However in times like these medical professionals would hope to disagree with you. Public cooperation is a requirement to beating COVID-19, so health agencies are trying to get through the BS and hype and deliver advice, said advice is intended to be simplified so the common man can not only remember it but tell others. We can link sources here on Dakka, and more people should do that when they put forward an opinion. Not enough people back up their comments with quotes.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Hypothetically, if the 2% mortality rate that the Chinese are saying is true, I don't think that number will be accurate for the US and Europe.
Nutrition, medical care, education, and clean air all play a part in how deadly this virus is, and how much it spreads. Since the Chinese populous is lower in all these levels I think it might be deadlier to them than others.
However, perhaps I'm wrong, this is just a leman's view.
What's worrying me is the reports that are coming in of people who had the virus, then tested negative testing positive again several weeks later
If this is true it suggests either
1. a person might not totally clear the virus with a normal immune response meaning they'll come out of quarantine and potentially start spreading the virus again before they realise something is wrong (and subseqentyly people will need to be quarantined for a lot longer)
or
2. The virus does not generate a strong immune response meaning you can catch it again very quickly after you've had it and also that man made vaccines could very well have similar problems (although they might be able to trick the immune system into a more long lasting response with a vaccine)
Hopefully its option 1 and with some identification that people can become a second ticking time-bomb of infection an extension of any isolation measures can help reduce that dramatically. Of course this only works if a person is identified as having had the sickness.
Anyone who might get sick, not report it and then return to life as normal could potentially spread it around and start the whole thing over again.
Now, there is a point in here, however the disease is known to affect people with pre-existing respiratory issues particularly badly. Anyone from and built up, industrial city, or anywhere were there are high levels of pollution - so where I grew up, inner-city London and under the Heathrow flight lines - should be cautious. Just because China has a (pretty well-deserved) reputation for pollution, doesn't mean the rest of the world needn't be vigilant. With deaths pretty steadily trickling in from most infected nations, the only thing that's very remarkable about China is that as the epicenter, they've so far been hit hardest.
Ouze wrote: I quoted your entire post, 100% of it. Claiming I cropped it to distort your meaning is a bald-faced lie, but you do you.
What you didnt do is quote the context.
Leave it to Ouze to crop a quote to destroy its actual context, and then mis-attribute it to a different subtopic.
You misappropriated to a different subtopic, getting medical advice from Dakka rather than the actual conversation with gorgon which was to claim that you can get useful opinions from Dakka.
Let me put it another way in the hope you understand more clearly:
We can discuss sports tactics in an american football game without needing to be the quarterback. We might have something valid to say, pundits often do. Sometimes they see things the coach does not.
We can have discussions on historical subjects without having been there.
This is normal.
The weird thing is I'm not even really directing a single thing I said at you, but rather that other person in the thread, who kept scolding people who gave out allegedly bad information about facemasks that "could get someone killed". Yeah, that's what you get when you get medical information from 40K message boards, and blaming the message board for army men for not being the CDC is... wrong-headed, lets say.
That is fine, and is a good case in point. I was going to link an article from the Guardian today, which covers this and another topic. In fact lets do this right now.
It is quite reasonable to get 'valid medical advice' from an everyday citizen, including a Dakka member, if the everyday citizen heeds the broadcast medical advice on how to use masks properly or similar broadcast information. There is no irony in this as the advice is broadcast simply and in non medical language so that ordinary people can inform each other.
Anyway the article was also useful to the thread also for this:
Claim: ‘It is no more dangerous than winter flu’
Many individuals who get coronavirus will experience nothing worse than seasonal flu symptoms, but the overall profile of the disease, including its mortality rate, looks more serious. At the start of an outbreak the apparent mortality rate can be an overestimate if a lot of mild cases are being missed. But this week, a WHO expert suggested that this has not been the case with Covid-19. Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and the country’s response, said the evidence did not suggest that we were only seeing the tip of the iceberg. If borne out by further testing, this could mean that current estimates of a roughly 1% fatality rate are accurate. This would make Covid-19 about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
Might help with the 'flu is worse' aspect of this thread.
Sure, there is value in having general discussion here, I mean it's an interesting news topic. But it definitely cannot and should not be a vehicle for anything in terms of practical, useful medical advice and getting upset that it isn't isn't really different than getting upset they didn't make your Big Mac correctly at Taco Bell.
Sure, normally. However in times like these medical professionals would hope to disagree with you. Public cooperation is a requirement to beating COVID-19, so health agencies are trying to get through the BS and hype and deliver advice, said advice is intended to be simplified so the common man can not only remember it but tell others. We can link sources here on Dakka, and more people should do that when they put forward an opinion. Not enough people back up their comments with quotes.
Thank you. This is literally all I was asking for is that if someone makes a claim, especially if its medical advice or something along those lines, to please cite a source. The person I "scolded" was claiming their cousin is a biochemistry professor as an appeal to authority and then proceeded to give out incorrect advice which I refuted. WITH SOURCES.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: What's worrying me is the reports that are coming in of people who had the virus, then tested negative testing positive again several weeks later
If this is true it suggests either
1. a person might not totally clear the virus with a normal immune response meaning they'll come out of quarantine and potentially start spreading the virus again before they realise something is wrong (and subseqentyly people will need to be quarantined for a lot longer)
or
2. The virus does not generate a strong immune response meaning you can catch it again very quickly after you've had it and also that man made vaccines could very well have similar problems (although they might be able to trick the immune system into a more long lasting response with a vaccine)
