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 r_squared wrote:
What affect, apart from the obvious, do you think this will have?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/trump-is-killing-his-own-supporters-coronavirus-covid-19

Will minds be changed? Or divides deepened? Will a reduced voting demographic lose their grip on the reigns of power?

I used to quite enjoy that program on Netflix, Doomsday Peppers. Those guys must be so happy right now.

This and any response to it are VERY much politics.

The Dalek made my day

Not sure if its the warm weather or people getting bored(maybe a bit of both), but we had a surprisingly busy day at work. A few enquiries for non essentials as always(abrasive paper, polisher heads ect). But mostly calls from joe public about basic service stuff like filters, brakes and battery's that cars wont run without. But can also be changed on your drive with fairly commonplace tools. Our van drivers said the roads were busier today then last week as well.

Spoke to my Mum who used to run a local school kitchen a few years back. Her friends who are still involved told her they have been making up food parcels for kids to take home. Not unexpected but depressing nonetheless.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
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I used to quite enjoy that program on Netflix, Doomsday Peppers. Those guys must be so happy right now.

This and any response to it are VERY much politics.

https://twitter.com/natashaldaly/status/1246900371706036228

BREAKING: A tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for Covid-19. 6 other tigers and lions at the zoo are also showing symptoms. Believed to have been infected by an asymptomatic zoo worker. All doing well. To my knowledge, this is the first animal to test positive in the U.S.

..would've thought if there was one thing you'd have kept more than 2 metres away from anyway then...


I vaguely recall there being some talk about cats being susceptible to the virus in the last week.

FOAF works.volunteers at a local animal shelter an d says they've had a lot more requests for collection/drop offs for pets that people no longer want from reasons from fear of contagion to family deaths to no longer being able to afford them.

I recall reading on one of the many tiger articles/posts that there's a strain of flu that tigers can catch which is similar and will test positive for Corona, but isn't the human strain.


Also a lot of zookeeping is still hands-on even with things like tigers. Basically if the animal isn't going to be re-introduced many of them are handled so that they can do basic checkups and such by hand. Rather than having to dart them every time they just want to do a basic check. It also helps with enrichment and other aspects. Of course with things like tigers its dangerous, but people work with cattle, bulls, horses and ferocious sheep all the time.

Of course not every zoo will do that and not every generation/individual cat will be suitable so there will be variation in policies and approaches from different sites.

The Twelfth has been cancelled here...but unfortunately some are using that as an excuse to have a massed party in the street instead.

johnson now in intensive care. Wonder if he's starting to regret his cavalier herd immunity idea(that frankly might never have truly left)

Boris in ICU, breaking on BBC News

tneva82 wrote:
johnson now in intensive care. Wonder if he's starting to regret his cavalier herd immunity idea(that frankly might never have truly left)

Think that's a bit harsh, he followed his advisors , a better or bigger thing to do would be to wish him well.

Dunno. He went about shaking hands with people confirmed to be infected?

tneva82 wrote:
johnson now in intensive care. Wonder if he's starting to regret his cavalier herd immunity idea(that frankly might never have truly left)

You really have no tact or grace do you?

 Future War Cultist wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
johnson now in intensive care. Wonder if he's starting to regret his cavalier herd immunity idea(that frankly might never have truly left)

You really have no tact or grace do you?

He will be the first screaming for help if his turn comes, I have seen it already.

Good luck Boris and all affected by this disease.

Oh crap oh crap oh crap. A national crisis caused by a global pandemic and the country is gonna end up in the hands of a guy who didn't know how important Dover to Calai was until he became Brexit secretary

I don't mean to be flippant but based on his age his risk of dying is 1.3%. To be completely positive the care he's receiving and his place in the demographic means he should come out just fine. This is of course without taking any other underlying medical conditions into account.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

If we can keep the pseudo deathwishes and the like out of the thread please.

Time and a place and this is neither.

I don't mean to be flippant but based on his age his risk of dying is 1.3%. To be completely positive the care he's receiving and his place in the demographic means he should come out just fine. This is of course without taking any other underlying medical conditions into account.

The fact he's had to go into the hospital rather than being treated at no 10/wherever means this is serious.

He's also obese, early 50s, with a history of drug and alcohol abuse , none of those are factors in his favour.

..Thought something was odd when Raab said he hadn't spoken to him since Saturday, but didn't think it'd be this bad.

Hope his other half is alright too.

He has a kid on the way too. Don’t forgot that.

 reds8n wrote:

I don't mean to be flippant but based on his age his risk of dying is 1.3%. To be completely positive the care he's receiving and his place in the demographic means he should come out just fine. This is of course without taking any other underlying medical conditions into account.

The fact he's had to go into the hospital rather than being treated at no 10/wherever means this is serious.

Right. And if he ends up on a ventilator...this will become a scary situation.

 reds8n wrote:


If we can keep the pseudo deathwishes and the like out of the thread please.

Time and a place and this is neither.

I don't mean to be flippant but based on his age his risk of dying is 1.3%. To be completely positive the care he's receiving and his place in the demographic means he should come out just fine. This is of course without taking any other underlying medical conditions into account.

The fact he's had to go into the hospital rather than being treated at no 10/wherever means this is serious.

He's also obese, early 50s, with a history of drug and alcohol abuse , none of those are factors in his favour.

..Thought something was odd when Raab said he hadn't spoken to him since Saturday, but didn't think it'd be this bad.

Hope his other half is alright too.

Yeah, she's pregnant too.
I'm no fan of Johnson, I think he's a colossal tosser who's done a great deal of harm to this country, but I wish him a speedy recovery.

I do wish that the people ostensibly in charge of the USA would take this a bit more seriously, and stop giving conflicting messages out on a daily basis...

 reds8n wrote:

I don't mean to be flippant but based on his age his risk of dying is 1.3%. To be completely positive the care he's receiving and his place in the demographic means he should come out just fine. This is of course without taking any other underlying medical conditions into account.

The fact he's had to go into the hospital rather than being treated at no 10/wherever means this is serious.

Well, yes and no. Speaking from personal experience, the NHS has some very strict procedures in place dictating what can be done by whom and where.

While I'd no way argue it's good that he's been taken to ICU, one has to allow for the fact that even simple procedures cannot be undertaken by unqualified staff. I've had many instances where a small adjustment to an IV required a nurse to go and fetch a colleague because they weren't trained on IVs, even when it just required a small movment, they won't touch them, even if they know exactly what needs to be done and have seen it done a thousand times.

I'd also be surprised if an apparently fit and healthy chap who's been fighting the disease for over a week, has been posting videos from the hospital earlier today and has still been staying in relative touch with the cabinet could take such a turn in such a short period of time.

But time will tell.

..one hopes that regardless of whether you like the man or not, agree or disagree with their politics, actions, choices etc etc etc etc

than at the very least see how it might be less than ideal for a country to lose it's head of state -- and yes I know about the role of the monarch and etc etc etc -- when we are on something of a sticky wicket currently, to say the least.

and I say that's at the very least -- ignoring that whole it's another human being thing.

All the recriminations and finger pointing and he/she/who said what is best saved for another time.

Really odd thing if one stops and think is -- in theory, if you follow me -- it's about now we should have been dissolving Cameron's Parliament won in 2015 for the election schedules by the then fixed term parliaments act.

I think it fair to say we've been on quite a ride in that same time period all things considered.

 gorgon wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

I don't mean to be flippant but based on his age his risk of dying is 1.3%. To be completely positive the care he's receiving and his place in the demographic means he should come out just fine. This is of course without taking any other underlying medical conditions into account.

The fact he's had to go into the hospital rather than being treated at no 10/wherever means this is serious.

Right. And if he ends up on a ventilator...this will become a scary situation.

In ITU most patients are sedated on ventilators , although not all.

Hopefully more an abundance of caution.

Thing is though, this virus seems to have a nasty habit of taking out people you wouldn’t expect it too at random. Maybe they had underlying conditions but it still worries me.

Also I work in the hospital with the covid patients and they generally are ok ish for 7 to 9 days then if not recovered they go down hill very quickly, they drop off the proverbial cliff.

Marxist artist wrote:
Also I work in the hospital with the covid patients and they generally are ok ish for 7 to 9 days then if not recovered they go down hill very quickly, they drop off the proverbial cliff.

First, thank you for what you do, being in the thick of it. And I heard that too, the ‘false recovery’ that occurs before the real crash.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
The fact he's had to go into the hospital rather than being treated at no 10/wherever means this is serious.

Well, yes and no. Speaking from personal experience, the NHS has some very strict procedures in place dictating what can be done by whom and where.

While I'd no way argue it's good that he's been taken to ICU, one has to allow for the fact that even simple procedures cannot be undertaken by unqualified staff. I've had many instances where a small adjustment to an IV required a nurse to go and fetch a colleague because they weren't trained on IVs, even when it just required a small movment, they won't touch them, even if they know exactly what needs to be done and have seen it done a thousand times.

I'd also be surprised if an apparently fit and healthy chap who's been fighting the disease for over a week, has been posting videos from the hospital earlier today and has still been staying in relative touch with the cabinet could take such a turn in such a short period of time.

But time will tell.

I am hopeful that due to the fact he's the leader of a major world power they would take precautions with his health and place him in a location that he can receive first class treatment very quickly. I agree with Azreal as well, my wife is a Licensed Vocational Nurse and while she is the main person most patients interact with at the hospital she is not allowed to do certain things. The IV is a perfect example- when she worked in a major hospital only someone who was a Registered Nurse or above could push medication through an IV. This may not be true everywhere but typically the ICU at her hospital only had RNs and those individuals required specific training. While trying to be optimistic they could be ensuring he receives the best care they have available.

 reds8n wrote:
..it's about now we should have been dissolving Cameron's Parliament won in 2015 for the election schedules by the then fixed term parliaments act.

I think it fair to say we've been on quite a ride in that same time period all things considered.

That's quite the understatement. We've definitely slipped down the wrong leg of the trousers of time.

Wrong leg? We're stuck in the crotch, and it's a cardio day.!

tneva82 wrote:
johnson now in intensive care. Wonder if he's starting to regret his cavalier herd immunity idea(that frankly might never have truly left)

This I don't understand.

 r_squared wrote:

Yeah, she's pregnant too.
I'm no fan of Johnson, I think he's a colossal tosser who's done a great deal of harm to this country, but I wish him a speedy recovery.

This however, is the sort of response I can completely understand.

One does not have to agree with a man (or even like or respect him) to refrain from gloating in his potential death. Let alone a man who has a new child on the way and is the leader of a country in a crisis. I could just about half understand it when people were jumping for joy over Thatcher - I thought it was still tasteless but I could at least partially comprehend it - but Bojo has done nothing extreme enough to earn that sort of ire. Sure, he's a lying egomanaic, but that isn't reason enough to take pleasure in the concept of him painfully gasping out his last through a ventilator. Not if you're a decent human being yourself, anyway.


Oh, and r_squared, the extract on the WHO was from the latest Private Eye. I've no idea if it's accurate or not, but I doubt they'd be mistaken about the funding being late. I swear I remember reading something else about it before elsewhere.

That's the problem with the UN, League of Nations, EU, NATO, and all the other big international organisations. They desperately want the dictatorships and semi-oppressive regimes and the like inside them 'for dialogue and growth'; then when they start doing nasties, they look the other way. They're never willing to either deny them access, or if they spring up whilst inside, boot them out. So we get Saudia Arabia chairing things on human rights, Turkey ordering Russian missiles, and the nasty little facists electing themselves dictator for life in Hungary. Taiwan is no less worthy of attention by the WHO or UN than any other nation; but so long as those organisations value having China's money and membership more than they do common decency? Taiwan will be in the cold.

It is likely that due to his importance Johnson was hospitalised at the first signs he might need to be. Triage does not apply.
There is evidence for this because he was reported as admitted for monitoring in the press.

Johnson will get priority care and will be ok.