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What about the Void Dragon? Only able to get 3 wounds per phase is really good imho. He does have the profile to wreck other beatsticks reliably.

Wait... I do see one reason why this might be so over-written..

I could easily be wrong, but the wording "if any of the successes in the pool are higher than the wounds charscterist of ANY REASSEMBLING MODELS" might suggest ....

Say you lose 5 warriors and a Skorpekh in this PHASE... that could mean all the dead for the PHASE share the pool?

So in essence you could pass enough dice to reanimate that Skorpekh and let the warriors die off?

I could very easily be wrong...

 Ghaz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Well, unless res orbs alter it to affect all models as per the units starting strength or something, they've managed to make it worse for multi wound models and marginally better for single wound.

Yes, but with just the rules we have from this preview you can never bring back models that failed to Reanimate the first time.

With this specific rule, assuming we are interpreting it correctly. None of this is to say that there isn't another way to bring back models in the book that we haven't seen (Resurrection Orb, Ghost Ark, strategem, etc)

Here's hoping that we get a strat or something that'll add more dice to the pool. I imagine a res orb will either buff a units roll or allow then to immediately make a roll for dead models.

And perhaps the technomancer will be able to juice them too.

I fear though that since all of these abilities are likely either once per game or only on a targeted unit that they won't be very useful.

I'm worried but hopeful, I'll reserve any real judgment until I see the full codex

If nothing else, these rules seem to be once again enforcing the 'Max-sized units or go home' philosophy.

Sigh.

a_typical_hero wrote:
What about the Void Dragon? Only able to get 3 wounds per phase is really good imho. He does have the profile to wreck other beatsticks reliably.

It's quite good. Couple of thoughts on it:

1) It's like Morathi in AoS. Also, anything that doesn't let you ignore wounds will let it take more than 3 wounds in a phase. But with the targeting restrictions on a character and 9 wounds, it will let it stick around for awhile.

2) It's possible the other c'tan have this ability as well as it's just a necrodermis.

3) I wonder if Szarekh or the Vault have something in it's neighborhood. Obviously it can't be the same as they have too many wounds to make 3 wounds lost fair, but who knows.

Dudeface wrote:
Well, unless res orbs alter it to affect all models as per the units starting strength or something, they've managed to make it worse for multi wound models and marginally better for single wound.

Right now it's better for both, as in practice you almost never got to roll for RP at all in it's current state.

That being said, the interaction with MW models is pretty disappointing right now. I'm hoping that Rites and Res Orbs can offer a boost to this.

They absolutely said we would have more control over how our units come back on the battlefield quite specifically.... if Im right that could be huge. Throw your warriors into the fray and funnel their RP into your Lychguard/Praetorians/Destroyers...

Des702 wrote:
You also don't have the problem where people can focus all their units to wipe out a complete squad per turn. Sure it can happen if a single unit wipes out whole squad but that's pretty rare. Overall I see this as a buff compared to the old rule. Whenever I played against my friend with necrons I would just either completely wipe out a squad or leave it. He barely ever got to use reanimation protocols. Now at least he'll get them multiple times a turn. that combined with all the new fancy units and buffs you're getting I think would make this Army pretty effective. I mean you're also getting essentially doctrines.

Eh. 'Doctrines' is a stretch.
Some of the protocol benefits are neat, but they're honestly rather weak for how fiddly they are.

-Ňecrontyr- wrote:
Wait... I do see one reason why this might be so over-written..

I could easily be wrong, but the wording "if any of the successes in the pool are higher than the wounds charscterist of ANY REASSEMBLING MODELS" might suggest ....

Say you lose 5 warriors and a Skorpekh in this PHASE... that could mean all the dead for the PHASE share the pool?

So in essence you could pass enough dice to reanimate that Skorpekh and let the warriors die off?

I could very easily be wrong...

Unfortunately this isn't how it works because it doesnt trigger per phase, it triggers when a unit is shot at

New RP is almost worthless on all the new 3 wound destroyer units.

Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

-Ňecrontyr- wrote:
They absolutely said we would have more control over how our units come back on the battlefield quite specifically.... if Im right that could be huge. Throw your warriors into the fray and funnel their RP into your Lychguard/Praetorians/Destroyers...

That... doesn't work. At all. RP happens based on enemy units resolving their actions and only works on one necron unit at a time ('this unit'), so even if they split fire, that can't happen.

I do think it's kinda worth mentioning that the Reanimator's beam gives you +1 to the rolls for models in that unit, with you picking the unit in the Command Phase.

Big blob o' Warriors that you sent down the middle gets hit hard? Oh, look! +1 to their rolls.

There is a mention that it can't ever be modified by -1, which makes me curious if Deathwatch might get something that lets them counter traits for Xenos.

 godardc wrote:
Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

I think you might be misremembering. It was only in 8th that you were able to keep trying to bring destroyed models back. Prior to that, Necrons that failed their RP/WBB roll were gone for good.

 godardc wrote:
Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

Don't count them out until we have the full rules in hand.

A rule that you barely got to use because your unit was wiped out entirely was hardly an iconic feature.

And Necrons are more than just their RP. They have lots of new toys to play around with.

 godardc wrote:
Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

Correct me, but we don't have an idea of what the 'Rites of Reanimation' are do we? Or of any items, equipment. strats, relics or Command Protocols, etc that could affect units coming back outside of just the re-worked RP?

So what do we have currently to buff the rolls?

-Cryptek Rites of Reanimation: Unknown
-Resurrection Orb
-Ghost Arks
-Canoptek Reanimator

-I could also see a relic/WL Trait buffing RP
-Strats could be added to buff RP
-Perhaps the Silent King will have a buff thats similar?

I think as is, the RP has gotten much stronger (1W models) and much weaker (Multi Wound Models) but without seeing how the rule can be manipulated, and that anything that will will just make it better, I've still got hopes.

We've also seen a pretty huge spike in our weapon stats so we'll also be putting out way more hurt than before, and with a lot of distraction units necrons could be great

 Kanluwen wrote:

There is a mention that it can't ever be modified by -1, which makes me curious if Deathwatch might get something that lets them counter traits for Xenos.

Deathwatch's anti-Necron strat is a -1 to a unit's RP rolls. As currently worded, it lasts an entire turn so it might actually be worth using now.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

Correct me, but we don't have an idea of what the 'Rites of Reanimation' are do we? Or of any items, equipment. strats, relics or Command Protocols, etc that could affect units coming back outside of just the re-worked RP?

I'm hoping Rites gives us what we have currently essentially, allows for a point-and-click unit to make all of it's Res, out of sequence of shooting in the Command phase

Well theres still hope. Perhaps Ressurection Orbs allow you to roll for every model in the unit beyond JUST what dies in this phase

 godardc wrote:
Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

Mate. Not since 2nd Ed have we been able to keep attempting Self Repair turn after turn until it worked.

These new RP make a Warriors and Immortals (traditionally the backbone of any Necron force) massive pains in the bum to shift. Get a unit of 20 Warriors dug in on an objective, and it’s the devil’s job to shift them.

Yes, some armies probably can gather the firepower to wreck 20 in a single turn. But it’s still going to take a significant chunk of their available attacks to do so.

Emissary wrote:

 unitled wrote:

Emissary wrote:
It doesn't say to roll for the combined wounds of the models killed by that attack. Instead it's for reassembling models. Hence, it really looks to me that it's all models already dead. Hence if you lost 5 after reassembly in the last shot, then lose 4 more to this shot, you're rolling for 9 reassembling models.

Hmm, this doesn't look right to me. It says at the start, enemies are not destroyed by the attack and begin to 'reassemble'. It then says you roll an RP die for each 'reassembling' model wound. Then right at the end it says that any models who haven't reassambled fail to. I think they're discarded at that point and then count as destroyed.

Yeah, it's why I changed my post.

I will say it's better than a 5+ feel no pain for 1 wound models, because you only have to pass one 5+ for multi-damage shots rather than for each damage. But less good for multi-wound models.

Also, this stacks with the Szarekhan 5+ feel no pain against mortal wounds which will make them very resilient against mortal wounds...

Except spells ignore rp

So, it's essentially a FNP that sometimes doesn't get to roll and gets worse on multi-wound models. All I can say is that we had better hope for some REALLY good modifiers and rules for the rule in the book, but a look at those Command Protocols is giving doubt (+1 Move whoo!).

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
What an amazing battle report! Using everything out of the box we already know about!

This is Games Workshop, the company that printed an entire Codex that managed to show off virtually zero new models beyond what came in the big preview box and a couple of vehicles that had been previewed on the website. Didn't even show the real kits of the preview models (Archos, Repentia), just the ones from the preview box.

That's how afraid they are of revealing things. Not even in the damned Codex, and all because it came out several months to the rest of the range.

 Sasori wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Well, unless res orbs alter it to affect all models as per the units starting strength or something, they've managed to make it worse for multi wound models and marginally better for single wound.

Right now it's better for both, as in practice you almost never got to roll for RP at all in it's current state.

That being said, the interaction with MW models is pretty disappointing right now. I'm hoping that Rites and Res Orbs can offer a boost to this.

Certainly it is better for both in practice. It's jsut so much better on 1 W models it makes taking 3 wound models kind of badly internal balanced. It's still pretty great for 2 wound models too. Between overkill and number of 5+ rolls. It will probably break even with a straight 5+ FNP vs d3 damage weapons.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

Mate. Not since 2nd Ed have we been able to keep attempting Self Repair turn after turn until it worked.

These new RP make a Warriors and Immortals (traditionally the backbone of any Necron force) massive pains in the bum to shift. Get a unit of 20 Warriors dug in on an objective, and it’s the devil’s job to shift them.

Yes, some armies probably can gather the firepower to wreck 20 in a single turn. But it’s still going to take a significant chunk of their available attacks to do so.

Not really. In the end it's just 5+ fnp that can be　negated(and likely will for later half). 10 plague marines will be　crapload of harder to remove. Even nurglings are more annoying.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Bye bye necron hype. It was good to have hopes for a xenos faction for once, while it lasted...
This is an absolute shame and insult to the necrons if there is no way to bring back models destroyed earlier. That was their iconic feature through the ages !

Mate. Not since 2nd Ed have we been able to keep attempting Self Repair turn after turn until it worked.

These new RP make a Warriors and Immortals (traditionally the backbone of any Necron force) massive pains in the bum to shift. Get a unit of 20 Warriors dug in on an objective, and it’s the devil’s job to shift them.

Yes, some armies probably can gather the firepower to wreck 20 in a single turn. But it’s still going to take a significant chunk of their available attacks to do so.

Plus if you undershoot and take out 18 or 19 rather than 20, say hello to 7 of them jumping back up (maybe 9 or 10 if you've buffed the RP on the unit).

OH

This is why a lot of units are getting both Living Metal AD Reanimation Protocols

We've seen it on cryptothralls and Ophydian Destroyers. Maybe more units will get it?

Does the change to reanimation protocol make the new reanimator more appealing?