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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 00:21:20
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Pattinson has also supposedly done pretty solid work, post-Twilight. Can't say for sure, personally, as he hasn't been in anything I've actually been interested in watching... But yeah, happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think there's been a Batman yet who hasn't been panned as a bad choice prior to release... and most of them have actually turned out pretty good, even in the, er... 'less good' movies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 00:23:31
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Ouze wrote:
Any other role, I would agree with you. But man, Batman? You can never ever call it. Who would have thought that Michael Keaton - Mr. Mom - would make a great Batman? Who would have thought that peak fame George Clooney would be a terrible Batman? Or that Gigli would be the only good part of the non-Wonder Woman DCEU?
I now always reserve judgement on Batman castings.
In order?
No one, and they were right.
Anyone, and they were also right.
And... what? Affleck was, as far as I could tell, completely asleep for all his DC appearances.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 00:24:22
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Yeah. There has never been a batman casting that people were happy with. Christian bale was too skinny. Keaton was mr mom. Cloony was too happy.
Batman has to be seen to be judged. Its a total crap shoot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 00:34:14
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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eh, tooedgy4me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 01:57:39
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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I'm open to it as he strikes me as a reasonable choice for a Batman finding his way. I'm more excited by the Long Halloween through a Fincher Seven lens vibe the trailer presented.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 15:23:26
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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insaniak wrote:Pattinson has also supposedly done pretty solid work, post-Twilight. Can't say for sure, personally, as he hasn't been in anything I've actually been interested in watching... But yeah, happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think there's been a Batman yet who hasn't been panned as a bad choice prior to release... and most of them have actually turned out pretty good, even in the, er... 'less good' movies.
Yeah, Pattinson has proven himself to be an excellent actor in recent years. You might have seen him and not realized it if you saw The Lost City of Z. He was the tall bearded guy...really disappeared into that role.
" ROTFL sparkly Batman lulz" is a better pithy 'hot take' for today's idiocracy, of course.
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Voss wrote:And... what? Affleck was, as far as I could tell, completely asleep for all his DC appearances.
JL, yes. BvS, no.
He definitely brought it in BvS...it's just a movie that a lot of people didn't like. He did look like he was sleepwalking in JL, and now we know why. Cripes, that reaction and weird grin when Superman shows up for the Steppenwolf fight is community theater-level awkward. And "I don't...not...like you" and lines like it are painful.  Whedon wanted to turn Bruce Wayne into Tony Stark, and I don't think Affleck really knew what to do with the material or how to marry his understanding of his character to Whedon's vision. And he's not RDJ! IIRC, the talk was that Affleck wanted the cast to walk out in protest. Most of the stuff that Snyder shot got dumped, and probably any decent Affleck performance with it. So it'll be interesting to see if that changes for Snyder's version.
FYI, if the cowl looks a little tight on Affleck's head in the theatrical version of JL, that's because it is. Apparently when they brought him in for the Whedon reshoot he'd gained weight and didn't fit in the suit so well anymore.
Edit: This was that painful open-mouthed grin...thing. Affleck had no idea what he was supposed to be doing in that shot, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 17:06:47
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Lance845 wrote:Yeah. There has never been a batman casting that people were happy with. Christian bale was too skinny. Keaton was mr mom. Cloony was too happy.
Batman has to be seen to be judged. Its a total crap shoot.
Wow just wow
Michael Keaton was the best Bruce Wayne / Batman so far - by a huge margin - IMO.
Afleck as angry older Batman was great
Anyway seldom going to please everyone - lots of people thought Hugh jackman was wrong for Wolverine or Gal Gadot for Wonder Woman - I wonder if some even thought RDJ is not Iron Man....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 17:53:16
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Honestly, RDJ *wasn't* Tony Stark. Stark wasn't a loveable, monogamous wisecracker in the comics pre-feature film. He was more of a straight-up rich guy playboy jerk.
Marvel redefined many of their characters for film. General audiences just weren't as familiar with the characters they had left after they sold Sony all of their best. And there was little to no previous film version baggage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 17:56:38
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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gorgon wrote:Honestly, RDJ *wasn't* Tony Stark. Stark wasn't a loveable, monogamous wisecracker in the comics pre-feature film. He was more of a straight-up rich guy playboy jerk.
Marvel redefined many of their characters for film. General audiences just weren't as familiar with the characters they had left after they sold Sony all of their best. And there was little to no previous film version baggage.
Thats fair - I had little knowledge or interest in the character until the Iron Man film - now he is one of my fav Marvel characters - but most of the MCU versions I prefer to the comics.
He is now
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 18:04:17
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Let’s face it.
It’s all gonna come down to the writing and direction.
You can take any actor, give them a Sow’s Ear of a script, and they’ll struggle to make you a Silk Purse.
For me, the DCEU is of such variable quality, I’ll have to watch it for myself.
So far, I’ve not been terribly impressed by any of their offerings, but I do acknowledge a general upward trend in the quality.
Just as when it was first announced, I expected Guardians “who?????” of the Galaxy to be the start of the MCU’s decline, and was proven solidly wrong, I’m open to this take on Batman being a return to form for D.C. movies in general.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 18:13:47
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Mr Morden wrote: gorgon wrote:Honestly, RDJ *wasn't* Tony Stark. Stark wasn't a loveable, monogamous wisecracker in the comics pre-feature film. He was more of a straight-up rich guy playboy jerk.
Marvel redefined many of their characters for film. General audiences just weren't as familiar with the characters they had left after they sold Sony all of their best. And there was little to no previous film version baggage.
Thats fair - I had little knowledge or interest in the character until the Iron Man film - now he is one of my fav Marvel characters - but most of the MCU versions I prefer to the comics.
He is now 
He's mostly a better character on film. Iron Man was like a C-list comics character pre-RDJ...primarily known for his Demon in a Bottle and Armor Wars storylines, and being the money behind and a near-constant presence on the Avengers.
Of course, for Civil War they actually made RDJ more of a crazy jerk than the comics version, who was presented as having more of a legitimate point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 20:17:13
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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gorgon wrote:
Of course, for Civil War they actually made RDJ more of a crazy jerk than the comics version, who was presented as having more of a legitimate point.
Watering down the Civil War storyline from an expansive issue affecting the civil rights and privacy of every mutant and superhero on the planet to 'How dare they tell us what to do!' was one of the few major mis-steps in the MCU, for me.
IIRC (it's been a long time since I read any Iron Man) Stark's character did evolve considerably over the years, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 20:21:53
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Crazy this movie is 12+ months from release, only 25-30 percent of it being filmed and it gets a trailer. But Dune with 3-4 months till release has the most timid marketing i've ever seen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 20:28:00
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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I suspect that the very early start with the trailers is to assuage concerns over the casting... people have been very vocal online about the casting of Pattinson and Wright in this. Showing a glimpse of them in action might be the studio's way of saying 'See! They're ok, really!'
Speaking of which, I'm actually pretty darn excited about Jeffrey Wright as Gordon. He absolutely looks the business in that trailer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 20:58:39
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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insaniak wrote:Pattinson has also supposedly done pretty solid work, post-Twilight. Can't say for sure, personally, as he hasn't been in anything I've actually been interested in watching... But yeah, happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think there's been a Batman yet who hasn't been panned as a bad choice prior to release... and most of them have actually turned out pretty good, even in the, er... 'less good' movies.
I've only seem him in The Lighthouse which is a pretty subtle film acting-wise, but he was fine in that. If Heath Ledger can be an Oscar-Winning Joker I think Pattinson can do fine as a young Batman. I think he fits the look more than Bale.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 22:30:46
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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He looks great in the suite. Not super fond of the Crow look without. For a moment I thought they were going with a The Batman style emo Riddler before I realized that was supposed to be Bruce. On the whole though, he looks like he's got it down, and more of detective story will greatly help this movie stand apart from the rest. Overall, I think it looks quite good. Automatically Appended Next Post: gorgon wrote:
Of course, for Civil War they actually made RDJ more of a crazy jerk than the comics version, who was presented as having more of a legitimate point.
It's a shame he went from legitimate point to removing anyone who wouldn't comply from this dimension and forcing kids into military service if they happened to be born without powers (but weren't a mutant for... raisins...)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 23:10:29
Subject: Re:The Batman (2021)
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As a supporting character, Pattinson was good in Lost City of Z. Also heard that he wasn't bad as Lawrence in Queen of the Desert, though I've yet to see that film.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 00:05:38
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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I believe the "Crow look" is just after removing the cowl and is why the hair is sweaty and there is masking around the eyes. It is a transitional image between removing the Batsuit and putting on his Bruce Wayne costume.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 00:20:07
Subject: Re:The Batman (2021)
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He was great in The Lighthouse, which was a good movie imo but was somewhat spoiled for me because all could hear in my head was:
Pattinson: “Gonnae no dae that?”
Dafoe: “How?”
Pattinson: “Just...gonnae no.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 00:38:17
Subject: Re:The Batman (2021)
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The riddle shown in the trailer has been deciphered so spoilers for the trailer ahead:
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 00:45:29
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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That spoiler reminds me of the Riddler’s riddles about “how do you tell if Lady Gaga is dead?” or “What’s the difference between a fish, a piano and a bottle of glue?”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 01:05:14
Subject: Re:The Batman (2021)
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So, I watched the trailer. A few years ago, I'd have been really excited for this, I'm generally a huge fan of grimdark, and I can't think of anything to criticize Pattinson's look or performance in the trailer.
But today among current events, there's some cringey awkwardness in the subject matter, it looks like they're trying a bit too hard to turn Batman into the Punisher, and I'm having a hard time digging the vibe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 01:08:07
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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gorgon wrote:
He definitely brought it in BvS...it's just a movie that a lot of people didn't like. He did look like he was sleepwalking in JL, and now we know why. Cripes, that reaction and weird grin when Superman shows up for the Steppenwolf fight is community theater-level awkward. And "I don't...not...like you" and lines like it are painful.  Whedon wanted to turn Bruce Wayne into Tony Stark, and I don't think Affleck really knew what to do with the material or how to marry his understanding of his character to Whedon's vision. And he's not RDJ! IIRC, the talk was that Affleck wanted the cast to walk out in protest. Most of the stuff that Snyder shot got dumped, and probably any decent Affleck performance with it.
I still mostly think of Affleck in terms of Kevin Smith films. Whedon's 'quippy' reshoots seem like they'd be the perfect kind of material.
The 'dark, edgy brooding' Snyder-vision seems more incompatible with the actor to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 01:39:41
Subject: Re:The Batman (2021)
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Vaktathi wrote:... it looks like they're trying a bit too hard to turn Batman into the Punisher, ...
I didn't get that from the trailer. What I got was a Batman who is going all out to be terrifying. Most of the time, he's still, or moving fairly slowly, restrained. And then he bursts into motion, and is just savage. This is a Batman who lurks in the shadows and thinks his way through things, but when violence is called for, he makes sure his opponent stays down. Or is too terrified to fight back.
And that's right on the money, for me. Batman is supposed to be terrifying. That was the whole point of the suit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 02:30:26
Subject: Re:The Batman (2021)
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Maybe I'm just way too used to animated/Kevin Conroy Batman, and I admittedly am not versed in all iterations of the character
Hitting some dude in the face repeatedly to wet squishy sounds after already breaking and putting him down and declaring oneself to be "vengeance" feels a bit off from most of my experiences, Batman brought people to justice, he didn't implode their skull just to make a point, though again, freely admit that I haven't read whatever comic iteration this may be based on (and honestly outside the main bad guy fights I don't recall much of the Dark Knight series off the top of my head).
I'm also working through the Harley Quinn animated cartoon which, while extremely violent (and also an amazing watch), also doesn't portray Batman in quite this manner. He's scary, but he's less "cripple a random henchman for life just to prove a point" scary, more "your plan is definitely pooched and you're absolutely going to jail" scary
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 03:04:18
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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The comics have varied over the years as to just how 'dark' they present Batman, although by their nature (and labeling regulations) I don't think they're ever going to be as full on as is more generally accepted in movies, where higher ratings allow for things to get a bit more bloody.
So yes, a more accurate take on my above post would be to say that this seems a bit more brutal than is commonly portrayed in the comics and cartoons, but is absolutely in keeping with how the character 'should' be, in my head...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 06:03:19
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Ahtman wrote:I believe the "Crow look" is just after removing the cowl and is why the hair is sweaty and there is masking around the eyes. It is a transitional image between removing the Batsuit and putting on his Bruce Wayne costume.
First off, I think it’s probably from the “all is lost” moment; he looks pretty dejected in that scene and has just taken off the cowl in frustration/sorrow. Second, the more I look at it, the more Joker-ish he looks (like the henchmen he intimidates); I wonder if they’re playing into the theme of the villains (particularly Joker) being a dark mirror of Batman and hinting at how close to the edge he is?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 07:28:14
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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Mr Morden wrote: Lance845 wrote:Yeah. There has never been a batman casting that people were happy with. Christian bale was too skinny. Keaton was mr mom. Cloony was too happy.
Batman has to be seen to be judged. Its a total crap shoot.
Wow just wow
Michael Keaton was the best Bruce Wayne / Batman so far - by a huge margin - IMO.
Afleck as angry older Batman was great
Anyway seldom going to please everyone - lots of people thought Hugh jackman was wrong for Wolverine or Gal Gadot for Wonder Woman - I wonder if some even thought RDJ is not Iron Man....
I wasn't saying those were MY opinions. I was saying that was the general reaction to the announced casting each time. No Batman casting has ever made people generally happy until they see them on screen. Automatically Appended Next Post: Vaktathi wrote:Maybe I'm just way too used to animated/Kevin Conroy Batman, and I admittedly am not versed in all iterations of the character
Hitting some dude in the face repeatedly to wet squishy sounds after already breaking and putting him down and declaring oneself to be "vengeance" feels a bit off from most of my experiences, Batman brought people to justice, he didn't implode their skull just to make a point, though again, freely admit that I haven't read whatever comic iteration this may be based on (and honestly outside the main bad guy fights I don't recall much of the Dark Knight series off the top of my head).
I'm also working through the Harley Quinn animated cartoon which, while extremely violent (and also an amazing watch), also doesn't portray Batman in quite this manner. He's scary, but he's less "cripple a random henchman for life just to prove a point" scary, more "your plan is definitely pooched and you're absolutely going to jail" scary
If you can get access to it I recommend watching Gotham by Gaslight. It is the best version of Batman in cinema atm. And the first time you see him fight he is terrifying and brutal in exactly the way Batman should be. Batman knows that 1 vs 9 is a bad situation. Brutality and fear is how he wins. It dwindles their numbers before the fight starts and takes all their heart out of trying to win. Automatically Appended Next Post: Jadenim wrote: Ahtman wrote:I believe the "Crow look" is just after removing the cowl and is why the hair is sweaty and there is masking around the eyes. It is a transitional image between removing the Batsuit and putting on his Bruce Wayne costume.
First off, I think it’s probably from the “all is lost” moment; he looks pretty dejected in that scene and has just taken off the cowl in frustration/sorrow. Second, the more I look at it, the more Joker-ish he looks (like the henchmen he intimidates); I wonder if they’re playing into the theme of the villains (particularly Joker) being a dark mirror of Batman and hinting at how close to the edge he is?
If it is based at all on the Long Halloween then that story has heavy themes of how dark Batman is getting. He pushes everyone away and takes more and more of his crusade onto his own shoulders. Almost burning down the relationship he has been forming with Gorden and District Attorney Dent. The sequel Dark Victory intoduces Dick Greyson and kind of shows him being pulled back from the brink.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 08:44:58
Subject: Re:The Batman (2021)
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Future War Cultist wrote:He was great in The Lighthouse, which was a good movie imo but was somewhat spoiled for me because all could hear in my head was:
Pattinson: “Gonnae no dae that?”
Dafoe: “How?”
Pattinson: “Just...gonnae no.”
I got that reference!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/25 09:18:43
Subject: The Batman (2021)
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I wasn't too excited by the trailer to be honest. For one that it's yet another restart, not even matters to me, that it's going to be an Elsewhere thing. I'd rather have some continuation of SOMETHING, cause in the end all of them have some repeating things like the origin story and such.
Only thing that caught my attention was that the one guy with the tapes on his face makes me think of Hush.
But hey, I'm gonna wait til it's out and check it out then, not sure if it will be in a cinema though, cause this was more like a teaser than a trailer.
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