The Batman (2021)

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**insaniak**

This was a teaser, rather than a trailer. The movie's still a year away.

**Compel**

I might be ok with the 'squishy sounds' as you put it if.

1) he doesn't kill the guy
2) it is portrayed as a moment, in context, where he goes 'too far' and there's a 'what have I done?' pause (eg maybe the mirror scene)

So yeah, I might be contextually ok with it, like someone said earlier Batman going 'too far' when he is working alone is a thing

**Statistx**

insaniak wrote:
This was a teaser, rather than a trailer. The movie's still a year away.

Oh yeah, just going with it being branded as a trailer everywhere

**gorgon**

Lance845 wrote:
If it is based at all on the Long Halloween then that story has heavy themes of how dark Batman is getting. He pushes everyone away and takes more and more of his crusade onto his own shoulders. Almost burning down the relationship he has been forming with Gorden and District Attorney Dent. The sequel Dark Victory intoduces Dick Greyson and kind of shows him being pulled back from the brink.

Yep! Batman: Ego has also been cited by Reeves more than once as an influence. And that's about his two halves confronting each other. Reeves said in the panel that he's going to be working through some stuff. Is he really doing it for justice and noble reasons, or is he doing it for...vengeance? Also note that the relationship between Bruce and Alfred is supposed to be central to the film.

The comments about the darkness and violence are mostly on point. But we should give the movie a chance to tell its story.

**LunarSol**

Ahtman wrote:
I believe the "Crow look" is just after removing the cowl and is why the hair is sweaty and there is masking around the eyes. It is a transitional image between removing the Batsuit and putting on his Bruce Wayne costume.

Yeah, the eye makeup is just to hid his face with the mask. I was referring more to the hair, which looks really odd on Bruce in the business suit.

**Future War Cultist**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Future War Cultist wrote:
He was great in The Lighthouse, which was a good movie imo but was somewhat spoiled for me because all could hear in my head was:

Pattinson: “Gonnae no dae that?”

Dafoe: “How?”

Pattinson: “Just...gonnae no.”

I got that reference!

I’m glad someone did, otherwise I think I’d look really stupid.

**Mr Morden**

A Dark Batman who needs no-one - sounds like

Spoiler:

"You mean nothing to me - no-one does!"

**Kayback**

Is this another Batman origin?

**Eldarain**

No.

**BobtheInquisitor**

But they have to show us pearls and popcorn hitting the street. That’s the law.

**gorgon**

Mr Morden wrote:
A Dark Batman who needs no-one - sounds like

Spoiler:

"You mean nothing to me - no-one does!"

Based on stuff I've read, I'm actually pretty sure that we're going to get some Bat-family out of this new Bat-universe. Provided this one is successful, of course.

**H.B.M.C.**

I find it weird that people are acting as if Batman being brutal is weird or too "grimdark".

Batman, the man who routinely leaves his opponents crippled, is being too brutal? Come on...

Besides, as they said during the panel, this is Year 2 Batman. He doesn't quite know what he's doing yet, and can go too far. Him beating the snot out of that goon is a good example of that.

**gorgon**

Seems to be some sensitivity about it coming off Batfleck, who branded and killed dudes. Of course, that was meant to be a Batman who'd gone over the edge, and obviously there have been everything from campy to dark Batmen. Still, I think Batfleck is the sore spot for some people.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Whom did Batman cripple? Which supervillain?

**Azreal13**

Given Batfleck was more than a dash Miller's Dark Knight Returns, him being over the line a little didn't seem too egregious to me.

**Tannhauser42**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Whom did Batman cripple? Which supervillain?

Not so much the supervillains, but just the regular street level criminals he beats up. Some of the stuff he does in the comics/movies would be enough to cause some serious damage to people.

**Jadenim**

In the Dark Knight film I seem to recall he deliberately drops the mafia boss (can’t remember his name, it’s been a while) from a non-lethal height, breaking at least his legs, in order to extract information. That’s pretty fethed up when you think about it.

**Mr Morden**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Whom did Batman cripple? Which supervillain?

Not so much the supervillains, but just the regular street level criminals he beats up. Some of the stuff he does in the comics/movies would be enough to cause some serious damage to people.

Thats true of any super hero when they are fighting "normal" people, we don't always see it of have it highlighted but its happening - MCU Heroes kill plenty.

Keatons Batman killed plenty in his (IMO awesome film) - given that he used chain guns, explosives and missiles- in fact very similar to Batfleck

**Lance845**

They specifically talk about how Batman puts many of his adversaries in the hospital before they make it to Arkham or Blackgate. That includes the street level thugs. Breaking arms and legs is just regular ol' Batman Batmaning.

**endlesswaltz123**

Not to be too analytical, but the specific way he breaks the arm in the trailer will leave permanent injuries on the person, the arm will be usable but it will never be the same again... Batman does such things plenty of times.

Not live action, but the dark knight animation (never read the graphic novel so cannot verify if it is in there) but what he does to the leader of the mutant gang, breaks the arm at the elbow joint and the knee at the joint... That's life changing right there. Not to mention he takes the jokers eye and paralyses him...

Batman is brutal and I don't mind it tbh, but I also like that he stops himself from killing.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

At risk of hijacking, so I’ll keep my question short.

Are there any Batman comics which explore why he doesn’t share his tech with GCPD, or features a “What-If” type scenario where he did that?

**endlesswaltz123**

I'd be interested in knowing that also, though it's fair to assume that GCPD is corrupt AF and batman knows it... I wouldn't be surprised if Jim refused to take anything from him in fear of it falling into the wrong hands.

**AduroT**

Just the other week Batman’s Grave had a passing line from Alfred about how he knows Batman doesn’t share his tech with the police because he knows the police would turn around and use it against him.

**Dysartes**

...why does that Bat-vehicle have two miniguns on the roof?

**Mr Morden**

Dysartes wrote:
...why does that Bat-vehicle have two miniguns on the roof?

Cos not room for three?

Batman and guns have been there from the beginning.

**LunarSol**

The DefundBatman thread is a fun read. I think it goes out of its way to miss the obvious answer of "hire better mystery writers" but the general idea that the character needs a revamp beyond what was established 30+ years ago isn't beyond merit. Mostly it makes me long for what Batman Incorporated could have been. Not so much in need of a retcon as a "this isn't working" kind of change to shift the status quo. It's something the comics touch on from time to time, but then really kind of go nowhere with.

**Hulksmash**

This feels like Gotham: The Movie. Like they didn't want to move forward with the kid from the show as Batman (Legit, he's still little) but wanted that timeline. The villains support the idea too.

I might see it. It's far enough away I might have been starved from theaters being closed for long enough that it'll make the list. I dislike twilight as batman but if I can forgive so many other actors of quality for being stuck in a bad franchise I can forgive him. He was solid in that elephant movie.

**Kanluwen**

The funny part is that we've seen whole bits about some of how Batman and Bruce Wayne both help the city in some meaningful ways. Notable example came out of the one-shot "Ghost in the Machine" by Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV.

Spoiler:

There's definitely some attempts to explore the angle of 'but what does Batman REALLY do for the community?' out there. It's sadly just usually in one-shots though, because it does not really fit as something that works as an ongoing story arc.

**LunarSol**

Kanluwen wrote:

There's definitely some attempts to explore the angle of 'but what does Batman REALLY do for the community?' out there. It's sadly just usually in one-shots though, because it does not really fit as something that works as an ongoing story arc.

The current run seems to be playing with the idea again as WayneTech is basically rebuilding the city as Bruce envisions post City of Bane. That angle doesn't seem like it was going anywhere interesting though and I pretty quickly lost interest when it immediately reverted to "secret plot to kill Batman" without anything that made it stand apart from any other random run.

**gorgon**

Kanluwen wrote:
There's definitely some attempts to explore the angle of 'but what does Batman REALLY do for the community?' out there. It's sadly just usually in one-shots though, because it does not really fit as something that works as an ongoing story arc.

Think we're going to get more exploration of that with this version, since Reeves has described him as a humanist.

https://www.cbr.com/matt-reeves-the-batman-different/