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Cow also covers two different units. Silent King is Silent King.

Hence I reckon £100 or more.

He'll be priced around the same as Katakros. If you honestly think he's going to be more than Archaon I would be surprised.

Honestly Bonereapers are a bit of an enigma in pricing! They are honestly very affordable and very nicely priced compared to many other armies. This is doubly odd when they are an elite style army so should be expected to sell in smaller numbers per customer.

Yeah, OBR seem to be priced during a bout of charitable insanity by GW.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly Bonereapers are a bit of an enigma in pricing! They are honestly very affordable and very nicely priced compared to many other armies. This is doubly odd when they are an elite style army so should be expected to sell in smaller numbers per customer.

isn't it also one of the few armies that has a 20 man core unit, that isn't a dobule warcry box?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly Bonereapers are a bit of an enigma in pricing! They are honestly very affordable and very nicely priced compared to many other armies. This is doubly odd when they are an elite style army so should be expected to sell in smaller numbers per customer.

isn't it also one of the few armies that has a 20 man core unit, that isn't a dobule warcry box?

Yep and whilst they aren't huge models, its also very surprising as well considering that they are expensive in points to field. Again Ossiarchs just seem to be really nicely priced by GW compared to many other armies. It's very strange when you've got Ossiarchs with 20 models for £35 when armies like Daughters of Khaine have similar sized models at 10 for £35. Even the warcry boxed sets are £40 for 20ish (it varies and some are bigger)

 Overread wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly Bonereapers are a bit of an enigma in pricing! They are honestly very affordable and very nicely priced compared to many other armies. This is doubly odd when they are an elite style army so should be expected to sell in smaller numbers per customer.

isn't it also one of the few armies that has a 20 man core unit, that isn't a dobule warcry box?

Yep and whilst they aren't huge models, its also very surprising as well considering that they are expensive in points to field. Again Ossiarchs just seem to be really nicely priced by GW compared to many other armies. It's very strange when you've got Ossiarchs with 20 models for £35 when armies like Daughters of Khaine have similar sized models at 10 for £35. Even the warcry boxed sets are £40 for 20ish (it varies and some are bigger)

Pricing of GW is all over the damn shop since a while now. You got stuff that is amazing value, like the SC boxes in general for most factions, and stuff that is just plain robbery comparatively.
Considering we have the named frankly amazing looking Ossiarchs, which aren't that small to begin with, and at the same pricepoint we got Banshees, which are 15 models less, slightly smaller and cost only 2 Euros less.
It is frankly Absurd pricing. and it get's even absurder when you compare Pts / Price ratios for certain units, every ork player in existence can sing you a song about the price of mek gunz for exemple for good reasons.
On the other side you got GSC neophytes, cheap chaff unit that is not even that large but still costs an arm and leg to field an army from if you want to base around infantry.

I've never had a problem with the price of models not perfectly linking up to points, but I do agree that its very hard to see GW's logic in pricing when models of the same size and similar unit type (eg one off leader or multiple troops) get very different prices.

Broadly speaking we might look at a "full army at 2K points" and estimate that most armies tend to land around the same ballpark, but even then it varied widely depending on the build you choose. Plus who just stops at 2K anyway; esp with armies with a lot of variety and choice .

 Overread wrote:
I've never had a problem with the price of models not perfectly linking up to points, but I do agree that its very hard to see GW's logic in pricing when models of the same size and similar unit type (eg one off leader or multiple troops) get very different prices.

Broadly speaking we might look at a "full army at 2K points" and estimate that most armies tend to land around the same ballpark, but even then it varied widely depending on the build you choose. Plus who just stops at 2K anyway; esp with armies with a lot of variety and choice .

aye, but the recent pricings have gone too far appart from logic imo.
Best exemple is SC boxes which inherently due to the faction allready vary massively in pts and capability to construct an army, yet the most eregious issue is allways the HQ within the box, without going into the lackluster monoposes often found it is still tremendously more valuable to buy a starter, kitbash or modify some mooks if possible into HQ's then to even consider buying new HQ.
Even worse when one intends to use a specific elite unit type. if it isn't in a decent boxed set it is just outright overly expensive, the new Banshees are a parade exemple for that, for two of these you can buy a whole SC. Which in most cases allows you to field a comfortable battalion with more choice to pick from.
and that is the crux isn't it, sometimes those specific units , that are not found in SC's are important to a subfactions identity , or needed for a competent army (casual or competitive is irrelevant) . If you want to field even 20 of these Banshees you could buy 2 full SC's.and have 8 Euros to spare.
That IS off.

 Overread wrote:
I'd expect the Monolith to be in the £50-70 bracket whilst the Silent King to be in the £100 region. Not only is the Silent King big, but, as noted, he's a hero character most will only buy once. Monoliths and such can be bought multiple times so that can push their price down.

The new Ct'an I'd say could be around the £65mark or so, perhaps up to the £70s.

I'm expecting the Monolith to be more like £100+, it's pretty big and looks like it has a lot of overlapping layers within that, so expect it to have more plastic than the Tessarect Vault, and looks like less opportunity to use duplicate sprues, maybe a couple of duplicates but the vault is only two different sprues whereas I would expect at least three sprues for the Monolith. Rules wise they were also talking about it being able to take on Knights, so could easily see it being priced at a similar level.

This release is looking to be more expensive than I thought... just guessing to be approaching 1k USD for just one unit of everything at this point.

Not sure if this is the best place for it, but WHC has an article about the upcoming weapon upgrades - which states that weapons such as the power sword will be upgraded for all applicable factions when the SM book drops, not just Imperial and Chaos factions.

Banshees are getting a boost, apparently. Not a big one, but a boost nonetheless.

They also mentioned more exotic weapons, so hopefully things like power stabbas, huskblades, klaives get similar buffs

 Dysartes wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place for it, but WHC has an article about the upcoming weapon upgrades - which states that weapons such as the power sword will be upgraded for all applicable factions when the SM book drops, not just Imperial and Chaos factions.

Banshees are getting a boost, apparently. Not a big one, but a boost nonetheless.

Dunno. S5 Banshees is pretty significant in terms of an efficiency boost?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
They also mentioned more exotic weapons, so hopefully things like power stabbas, huskblades, klaives get similar buffs

They may do, but my impression was "not until you get your new 'dex" for that sort of weapon.

The message I got is that everyone will be getting an offense boost. Which seems bad to me.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place for it, but WHC has an article about the upcoming weapon upgrades - which states that weapons such as the power sword will be upgraded for all applicable factions when the SM book drops, not just Imperial and Chaos factions.

Banshees are getting a boost, apparently. Not a big one, but a boost nonetheless.

Dunno. S5 Banshees is pretty significant in terms of an efficiency boost?

They'll be S4 with this change, not S5.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The message I got is that everyone will be getting an offense boost. Which seems bad to me.

Well, gw did say they wanted to make games shorter.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The message I got is that everyone will be getting an offense boost. Which seems bad to me.

Honestly, it's better that GW is willing to experiment with statlines instead of sticking with the same legacy crap they've been doing for years upon years.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The message I got is that everyone will be getting an offense boost. Which seems bad to me.

At this point it is almost required considering the resilience of the new SM codex. Sadly that resilience will not be shared by any other faction which worries me a bit considering the overall offensive boost.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The message I got is that everyone will be getting an offense boost. Which seems bad to me.

At this point it is almost required considering the resilience of the new SM codex. Sadly that resilience will not be shared by any other faction which worries me a bit considering the overall offensive boost.

...did you seriously say that it's Marine resilience you're concerned about?
On the same day we got the Reanimation Procotols rules?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The message I got is that everyone will be getting an offense boost.

Agreed. The common weapons are being updated across all of the codices. From the article:

However, it’s not just the Adeptus Astartes who will benefit from all of the shiny new rules found within the next codex. These changes will also be rolled out to all other factions that utilise the same wargear*...

* With updates to many more weapons due alongside future codexes for more exotic, army-specific wargear.

Weapons preview up
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/14/codex-space-marines-weapons-and-wargear-updates/

seems storm shields are 4+ +1 save for everyone inc termies

 Dysartes wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place for it, but WHC has an article about the upcoming weapon upgrades - which states that weapons such as the power sword will be upgraded for all applicable factions when the SM book drops, not just Imperial and Chaos factions.

Banshees are getting a boost, apparently. Not a big one, but a boost nonetheless.

Unfortunately, given the boosts that their favored preys got, it doesn't even gets them to the level they were at the end of 8th.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place for it, but WHC has an article about the upcoming weapon upgrades - which states that weapons such as the power sword will be upgraded for all applicable factions when the SM book drops, not just Imperial and Chaos factions.

Banshees are getting a boost, apparently. Not a big one, but a boost nonetheless.

Dunno. S5 Banshees is pretty significant in terms of an efficiency boost?

That'd be S4 if I'm not mistaken. And D1.

 Latro_ wrote:
Weapons preview up
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/14/codex-space-marines-weapons-and-wargear-updates/

seems storm shields are 4+ +1 save for everyone inc termies

So is the 2++ apocalypse finally upon us now?

article says 1's always fail

edit: oh it does say unmodified, so yes... the brain ache passing -999 AP on a 2 is a thing

 Lord Damocles wrote:

So is the 2++ apocalypse finally upon us now?

No. Adding 1 to a roll is not adding 1 to the characteristic.

Could someone with a Twitter or Facebook account ask them if these upgrades come with an increased points cost or is just a straight up improvement of these weapons? If the latter, what are armies supposed to do that don't receive any improvements? Just be even more at a disadvantage than they already are? I would actually like to play fun games with my Sisters of Battle against my friend who plays Tyranids. That is already though and will only become a lot harder to not have a one-sided slaughterfest.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Weapons preview up
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/14/codex-space-marines-weapons-and-wargear-updates/

seems storm shields are 4+ +1 save for everyone inc termies

So is the 2++ apocalypse finally upon us now?

No. 1s always fail. So basically you have a 2+ save until something AP-2 or better hits you.

as others said is +1 to the roll for save

So
you have a 2+ natural save and have a storm shield

-1 you roll a 2+ ye ok:
2 + 1 = 3
3 - 1 = 2

-2 you roll a 2+ ye not ok:
2 + 2 = 4
4 - 1 = 3

-3 you roll a 2+ ye not ok:
2 + 3 = 5
5 - 1 = 4

etc (anything after and including the above the inv takes over)