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2020/12/10 16:43:09
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
IDK, Spuiderverse worked well despite so many characters.
Its just they tried too soon to build up sinister six in Amazing Spiderman 2(Which i enjoyed, i think all the pre MCU movies are very good TBH)
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2020/12/10 17:57:16
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
For how complicated a multiverse can be Spiderverse is a pretty simple narrative that lines everything up and goes in a singular direction. You have Miles as your POV with Noir, Penny, and Ham barely being characters in the movie. Even Gwen has no real story to herself. Shes mostly there to be the positivity to B Parker's negativity. It basically has to be that way for it not to become a convoluted mess.
The logical story is Peter dealing with being hunted. Is the multiverse a second backup story to that?
Is his being hunted being turned into the B plot?
How is Dare Devil supposed to fit into that? It's not Just Holland discovering a multiverse of Peters and alternate villains he hasn't met yet (or is meeting because they are from his universe? Who the hell knows?)
Imagine, if you will, if the Spiderverse movie included Dr. Strange showing up to explain the multiverse and help spiderman, along with Moon Knight crashing the party on top of the multiversal spidermen while who knows what the hell Kraven, Electro, and Doc Oct are up to because Kraven is hunting Holland for something that has nothing to do with a multiverse and Electro isn't even the blue version so maybe he's Kravens partner? Or a different multiverse version?
This screams of execs trying to smash 2 things that have been profitable together because $ + $ = $$ right?! RIGHT!?
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2020/12/10 20:53:32
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
Just because a character is cast and appears in the movie, doesn't mean that they have to do a huge amount of heavy lifting.
Maguire, Garfield etc may only make the briefest of appearances, akin to Ezra Miller in the Arrow verse Crisis event. Matt Murdock may appear solely as Peter's laywer and not as DD, and in turn perhaps only for a few scenes.
The whole nature of the MCU and their attempt to do something similar to the comic universe is that a character appearing in another character's movie doesn't necessarily have to be a big deal, nor instrumental to the plot.
Sony owns the rights to Spider-man, but let's not pretend that this isn't a Marvel film. It's a Marvel film in everything but name.
Doubly so if they're going to let characters they do own play in that sandbox. If the likes of DD or Strange feature even tangentially, you can bet there's heavy caveats at work in the contracts.
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I could just have my back up because Sony. They were about to break contract with Marvel until they came to whatever mysterious agreement they came to for this next movie. I don't know what that means. Does Sony have more say in the story for the Spiderman movie then they did before? We just don't know.
Best case scenario is Dr. Strange does a little multiverse mojo and all these actors just show up in little bubbles floating around the room in a segment that takes less then 2 minutes and then Matt Murdoc is Peter's lawyer. That would be fine.
But Sony has a terrible track record with 3rds and we just don't know what they are allowed to do anymore.
I fully admit I am paranoid that Sony is going to burn this spiderman to the ground trying to make their other "spider" properties part of the MCU. I REALLY think they want Venom and the upcoming Morbius and Silver/Black, and their always threatened sinister six movie to gain legitimacy by becoming part of the MCU and I fear this is them trying to do that.
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2020/12/10 21:52:52
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
All these characters makes me think its either all fake, or we are going to get something like this universes peter is unsure about his future and gets a pep talk from the two other spidermen. Somelike like from Mcquir grew older, had a family or something after all of it, but is still spiderman, while Garfield tells him about Gwen and how he beat him down but he got up and so will he. and the reason other actors are there is for new, more modern scenes for a flashback
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2020/12/15 17:53:15
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
Lance845 wrote: 3 Spidermans
Maguires Doc Oct.
Electro but this time not blue
Kraven the Hunter
Dr. Strange
Dare Devil
Potential links to Venom.
Crowded enough yet?
I can't imagine how they're ever going to make a movie with so many characters work.
I thought that about the first Avengers movie and it was glorious - and they have not let us down since (IMO)
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Maybe it's all like the next Suicide Squad movie and half the named actors are gonna die in the first 5 minutes. Toby's version deserves it for making us suffer Emo-Spiderman.
2020/12/15 19:20:52
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
I have heard 1 good explanation for emo spiderman. The suit taps into what you know and what you feel and enhances it. Mcguire spiderman is a big enough nerd that that is what HE thinks is cool which is why he starts acting like that. It's not that it IS cool. It's that he THINKS its cool. Mcguire Spiderman was always the absolute worst.
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2020/12/15 22:06:24
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Lance845 wrote: I have heard 1 good explanation for emo spiderman. The suit taps into what you know and what you feel and enhances it. Mcguire spiderman is a big enough nerd that that is what HE thinks is cool which is why he starts acting like that. It's not that it IS cool. It's that he THINKS its cool. Mcguire Spiderman was always the absolute worst.
This is 100% the intention. I'm always surprised people think otherwise. Peter just embarrasses himself with overconfidence while every background extra is clearly not impressed. I always found it kind of hilarious and far from the biggest issue that film has.
2020/12/15 22:43:01
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
Henry wrote: Maybe it's all like the next Suicide Squad movie and half the named actors are gonna die in the first 5 minutes. Toby's version deserves it for making us suffer Emo-Spiderman.
I recall the first one being pretty good as the lead character ended the movie by NOT getting the girl, which in big screen, blockbuster movies was pretty revolutionary at the time.
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2020/12/15 22:51:18
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
Lance845 wrote: I have heard 1 good explanation for emo spiderman. The suit taps into what you know and what you feel and enhances it. Mcguire spiderman is a big enough nerd that that is what HE thinks is cool which is why he starts acting like that. It's not that it IS cool. It's that he THINKS its cool. Mcguire Spiderman was always the absolute worst.
This is 100% the intention. I'm always surprised people think otherwise. Peter just embarrasses himself with overconfidence while every background extra is clearly not impressed. I always found it kind of hilarious and far from the biggest issue that film has.
To be fair, every background extra in all 3 original spiderman movies are actively hostile to Peter Parker. Like seriously go back and watch it. Every. Single. Person. The entire world is actively disgusted by his mere presence and both people and objects act with purpose or circumstance to make his life worse.
The only exceptions are that weird girl in his apartment building, Harry (at first), and Mary Jane.
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2020/12/16 20:12:45
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
It will most likely not be a 'Spiderverse' situation here - I think we're looking at a lot of cameos, either via Dr. Strange showing him the multiverse or the multiverse occasionally intruding on 'this' MCU world.
2020/12/17 23:50:53
Subject: Re:Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
Disclaimer: I hated the Toby series of Spidermen, it is up there with the original X-Men run for me on worst Marvel movies ever made.
That being said, I really like this idea and I am actually interested in where it goes. I think this will be the first time ever I am excited to see a Spider-man movie.
2020/12/18 01:57:39
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
I really hope these spiderverse rumors turn out wrong. we need a good spdier-man movie about well, spider-man. this entire run has been brought down by spidy hanging on someone else's coat tales,
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2020/12/18 10:55:51
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
I actually find the idea of bringing in the other spideys quite cool. (I watched the first Rami Spider-man a month or two ago and found it stood up quite well). Of course, it should be Holland's movie wit with the others 'in support".
Or it could be the cameo-fest to end all cameos and they're all playing different characters in a short scene.
Next stop... folding Ang Lee's Hulk into the multi-verse.
2021/08/24 03:27:23
Subject: Re:Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
Forgive the necro, but this is legitimate new info for an existing thread, so didn't see the point in starting another.
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Seeing both OG doc ock and Green Goblin from the Sam Raimi movies is really good, hope they're more than just cameos. They have no reason to not include dancing Tobey now.
2021/08/24 06:36:29
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
Grimskul wrote: Seeing both OG doc ock and Green Goblin from the Sam Raimi movies is really good, hope they're more than just cameos. They have no reason to not include dancing Tobey now.
sure they do, bringing in villians is a big diff from bringing in other spider-men(spider-mans?)
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2021/08/24 07:11:25
Subject: Spider-Man 3 - heading into the multiverse?
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