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 Albertorius wrote:
Sure buddy, sure. Maybe take it down a notch, time will tell. I'm sure we all can wait for them to announce the minis that will be part of the subscription, if any.

I really just don't get why you think that GW aren't telling us the truth when they say that their new Warhammer+ service will involve exclusive miniatures...

I mean, surely, if they didn't plan to include any exclusive miniature they would simply not say anything about the possibility of exclusive miniatures?

Also, what’s the argument, that there won’t be miniatures?
It is basically given that there will be from the article.
That they will be part of the sub or not? Who knows. But the obvious would be that subbing allows you to purchase the £30 model or whatever, I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that it’ll be minis given out every so often etc.
(At most, buy the year sub instead of monthly, and maybe you’d get a mini.)
But I think similar to WD and such, it just unlocks the ability to purchase the models or something, more likely to get subs if it’s the only way to get exclusives.

I don't think, personally, that there would be a subscription plan in play that allows for you to get a model.

It would make it so that you could not allow for people who do prepaid cards or the like to get them, since it would require a billing+shipping address for a digital service.

At best, I do think there will be a MTO or "special launch window" model tied to some of these series.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think, personally, that there would be a subscription plan in play that allows for you to get a model.

It would make it so that you could not allow for people who do prepaid cards or the like to get them, since it would require a billing+shipping address for a digital service.

At best, I do think there will be a MTO or "special launch window" model tied to some of these series.

The problem with this though is that they use the term "exclusive" to describe both this miniature stuff and the other content, which in this context implies it's meaning things will be exclusive to the use of the app, so not just a special miniature that'll be available to celebrate the launch or something like that.

If there are models, I'm guessing they'll be themed from whatever the animation is. So maybe we'll have canon Retributors.

 GaroRobe wrote:
If there are models, I'm guessing they'll be themed from whatever the animation is. So maybe we'll have canon Retributors.

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I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.

I just hope GW thinks a tiny bit outside the Imperial box with limited edition models. I can see it ending up a bit like BL in that it default ends up with a lot of Imperials and Marines and perhaps one token character from each Xenos and nothing from the Tyranids, but they might get a cultist.

Otherwise I'm all for TV show model tie-ins and such. I'd like it more so if they are at least medium term or print on demand models and such - ergo that people have a healthy chance to get them.

. I'd like it more so if they are at least medium term or print on demand models and such - ergo that people have a healthy chance to get them.

I don't think there's much chance of starting that now. Why would they bother?

If anything, the instant sales of the overpriced Cursed City sprue tells them they need to be even more limited with their products.
And they've just kicked off two more 'exciting new models' that they aren't going to sell with wide availability or a healthy chance to get them.

Well the Cursed City Sprue isn't a one time deal, its direct only but its at least medium if not long term. Most likely its direct only because GW was intending to tell them through Cursed City (which for whatever reason is now a shelved project) and thus didn't have any orders of boxes to put them in for display.

So GW is direct ordering them only because direct orders go in unmarked white boxes.

I would expect to see regular colour boxes for them appear at some point in the future. Though not for many months as if we assume CC being cancelled was very last moment, then any order for colour boxes will only have just gone through and thus will take months to ship from overseas factories.

Just remember: being too optimistic can be a toxic behaviour too, and pesimism and realism are not as similar as some people might like to think.

I am going to be the first one to join the wagon if they bring with it something juicy with the sub, because I can expect them to charge a ridiculous price, but lets say, they offer you a reprinted Indomitus Crusade box, well, that changes things.

 Overread wrote:
Well the Cursed City Sprue isn't a one time deal, its direct only but its at least medium if not long term.

Not my point. I was merely observing that it sold out in less than a day, despite costing most of the price of the full box, despite having... 40? less models than the box did. That's a huge price hike, but didn't keep it from selling out. Hence, limited supply is an effective sales tactic.

Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.

Come back to land, then.

Look guys, the wording says there will be exclusive miniatures we should take that at face value and understand that to mean that there is a high probability that when they say that they mean miniatures which are available exclusively to subscribers.

That doesn't mean that GW didn't misspeak and mean something else (perhaps miniatures based on the animations, or early access to their minis, etc.), but those are less direct interpretations of the term/phrase in question.

Wait and see as to what it ends up being, the reasonable stance to take here is to expect them to be exclusive to subscribers but understand there is a possibility of it being something else instead.

I seriously doubt the subscription will be anywhere near the price of an event ticket or scalper charge, so any minis exclusive to this would still be less exclusive than event miniatures. And I'm cool with GW offering some collector's items here and there, so long as they keep to the trend of not giving them special-access rules.

Lets face it, within 5 mins of GW creating a new hero on the big screen (or home screen); people would be converting and asking for custom models and the 3rd party market will be rushing to make them. GW doing them directly makes a lot of sense and doing them up front instead of after years (as tend to happen with characters like Eisenhorn and such) just means GW is a touch ahead of the demand than normal.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.

Come back to land, then.

Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

I was thinking of Sisters Retributor squads, not the latest Blood Ravens equivalent or whatever.

Voss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Retributor squad kit makes 'canon' Retributors. I'm not sure what a 'non-canon' model would involve, though, so I'm pretty out at sea on what this is in reference to.

Come back to land, then.

Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

I was thinking of Sisters Retributor squads, not the latest Blood Ravens equivalent or whatever.

You mean the chapter that's the protagonists of Astartes? The beloved series that introduced presumably thousands to Warhammer? The one whose even reuploads have millions of views? This chapter whomever?

Yes, that chapter no-name. Just 3Dprint a shoulder pad,how hard can it be

Voss wrote:
Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

They're already available - Syama Pedersen licenced the design to Kromlech.

beast_gts wrote:

Voss wrote:
Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

They're already available - Syama Pedersen licenced the design to Kromlech.

Spoiler:

I doubt that will last now his animations are part of GW though.

 ImAGeek wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Voss wrote:
Oh. Just another demand for chapter whomever #567 to have shoulder pads.

They're already available - Syama Pedersen licenced the design to Kromlech.

Spoiler:

I doubt that will last now his animations are part of GW though.

That really depends if he sold the design. Nothing GW can do about that, it's a custom logo.

This is where IP law gets messy - depending on what the terms on Syama's license to Kromlech were, GW probably can't legally produce those shoulder pads without getting sued by Kromlech.

Oh my god that’s it.
Exclusive thing to subscribers - it’s Cursed City

Trying to bate customers with GWs famous "exclusive" models sounds weird to me. Suppose they tried sweeten the deal with something worth while, like promising they do a gritty Gotrek and Felix cronicles instead, or saying they bought the rights for Judge Dread or Elric of Melnibone.

 Fayric wrote:
Trying to bate customers with GWs famous "exclusive" models sounds weird to me. Suppose they tried sweeten the deal with something worth while, like promising they do a gritty Gotrek and Felix cronicles instead, or saying they bought the rights for Judge Dread or Elric of Melnibone.

Models cost them pennies - another series (or licence) could run to several million.
I could see them doing Gotrek and Felix as a Hammer and Bolter episode to see how well it goes down...

Man G&F series would be awesome.
But I’d fear it’d just a Gotrek and the new one series.
Good as they might be, not got to them yet, it’s no Felix.

They are calling it "Warhammer+" so it seems likely it will be more than just animated shows. There could easily be multiple tiers to it as well. They have a 40K rules app now, they have a Sigmar app now, add in a Black Library subscription as others have pointed out and possibly a digital White Dwarf sub and you might have something. A lot of it will depend on cost of course by they have enough digital content floating around that bundling it up makes some sense.

That said I would swear it's been well over a year since they showed us "Angels of Death" - January 2020 looks like. That seems like a daman long lead time for 100 minutes of animation that was presumably already underway.

 Blacksteel wrote:
That said I would swear it's been well over a year since they showed us "Angels of Death" - January 2020 looks like. That seems like a daman long lead time for 100 minutes of animation that was presumably already underway.

Longer than that - this WarCom article is from 29 Aug 19.

Its possible Angels of Death is a lot more content than we realized...? Like a 20+ episode season of 1 hour episodes?