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Mark me as pleasantly surprised. They seem to have genuinely packed a decent amount of content into this. Still not sure if I'm in, but it's at least a little tempting.

This isn't something that I'm personally interested in, but for the subscription price it seems like you're certainly going to get value out of it if it's something that you subscribe to. The Masterclass alone would be fun to watch, Louise always brings a certain joy to everything she does.

I guess I can work two extra hours this year to afford more Warhammer more often for a year. If one is interested only in the animations, it's probably worth waiting for a year, get a one month sub and binge watch everything during one evening.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I think the vindicare looks good overall...but it's not because of the Vindicare itself. It's the giant statue its got as its base, if it weren't for that it wouldn't be very interesting at all. Seems like a strange choice when the actual miniature itself isn't really that unique.

I’m talking to a painter friend of mine about the possibilities of that model, painted in a drab, grubby kinda industrial neutral scheme, with Blade Runner style rain slicked surfaces and a big old hot pink neon sign, complete with OSL.

If anyone can pull it off, it’s not me. I’ve got hands like cow’s Tits. But it’s probably him.

Slightly better quality of the Vindicare than the current photo in the thread. Great model. I feel like he needs to be slightly higher, though that would be a nightmare to transport

I need that Johnny Pineapples mini in my lyfe!

Guess they got me for the first year at least..

I gotta feeling the first year or two on WH+ are going to be kinda skinny on the contents dept, but it'll probably get better in time.

That painter lady freaked me out tho! Something very insincere about her body language in that stream. O'well, as long as the actual masterclasses are quality..

Great.

So if you sign on for a year, you get the opportunity to give GW even more money for another model, you can access (bits of) digital books which they removed from general sale for no reason, can access the complete back catalogue of White Dwarf (since 2020), can see painting tutorials which they stopped doing on Youtube, and can see some battle reports.

Oh! And you get the App. That's totally worth it.

I want to get the Vindicare, leave off the assassin and use that amazing base as a piece of scenery.

Given the size of both models, I'm excited to see what future exclusives will be. We've never gotten really "big" limited models. Some white dwarfs have had big bases, but nothing on par with the vindicare. And megabosses are pretty beefy models too.

Also worth pointing out, the master class tutorials look fantastic. Way better than any tutorial GW has put out in the past

Nope, not interested in this at all. Hope it's enjoyable for people who sign up!

I was honestly pleasantly surprised by the reveal. Enough for me to get one year subscription to try out.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Great.

So if you sign on for a year, you get the opportunity to give GW even more money for another model, you can access (bits of) digital books which they removed from general sale for no reason, can access the complete back catalogue of White Dwarf (since 2020), can see painting tutorials which they stopped doing on Youtube, and can see some battle reports.

Oh! And you get the App. That's totally worth it.

Yes.

I really hope we get some good animations/stories out of this. 40k lore is notoriously inconsistent though.

I want grimdark and despairing not anime in space.

It's interesting to see all the sceptism vanish just because they offer you a 'free' model.

GW should sell bridges.

I will be giving it a go on the basis of what they’ve shown so far. If I don’t use it, I won’t renew.

Really like the look of the vindicare model, it’s very much a display piece though isn’t it, rather than a gaming piece.

I'm still trying to take my head around this but I'm probably not impressed.
- Animations - these are really cool but I doubt there will be enough content going forward. After all they are not Netflix to throw in a new show every month. I also never watch this type of content on PC or mobile - if they don't have support for smart TVs and game consoles they are not for me.
- Miniatures - waiting an year for an exclusive miniature from army I don't collect, that is a hard sell isn't it? I assume there will be quite few of these on Ebay.
- Apps - well, these I refuse to pay altogether. I paid for minis, I paid for books, I'm definitely not going to pay for the app allowing me to build army list. It is not a matter of money, it is matter of principles.
- Master class tutorials - looks great. I'm still very new to the hobby so I could use those a lot I think. Again it depends how much content there will be

 Arbitrator wrote:
It's interesting to see all the sceptism vanish just because they offer you a 'free' model.

GW should sell bridges.

I think it was Penny Arcade who first posted this, but "Shhh.... let people enjoy things."

It's not for you - that's totally ok! But a lot of people are pretty excited about it, so why crap on that excitement? I get that you hate everything GW does with a burning passion, but why feel the need to comment on all of it? Getting real tired of all you folks who are real GW haters yet continue to post here anyways.

 Arbitrator wrote:
It's interesting to see all the sceptism vanish just because they offer you a 'free' model.

GW should sell bridges.

It's not really the free model. It's the price per year coupled with the model coupled with the combined options that they are offering. One of the biggest questions was how much was it all going to cost; when you factor in that the model is easily £20-25 by modern prices on GW stuff then even if you don't like it you can easily flip it for around half the cost of your subscription. So there's value there which makes it around £25-30 a year for all the content.


Again its not any one thing its the combined.

Plus we've not even touched on the actual videos and TV shows that GW are making since they are an unknown at present. We know their painting and battle reports will use clear audio and good video quality and such.

As I said on the first page or so of the thread, its the way hobbies are going.

Model rail sites have done this for a while, although I did expect a digital white dwarf to include the latest copy every month rather than an archive.

It may change as they go on I think.


My thought is that at £50, you could probably sell the mini and get the year for free.

£60 a year on monthly payment and a £25 model is good value I think. It shouldn’t be hard for Gw to provide enough value to warrant the remaining £35 from the animations, as long as they’ve actually made an effort with them to tell good stories.

I would say it’s a shame that WD isn’t included as I think it makes sense and is a definite way to keep new, valuable content coming.

I’m concerned that the animations will take a few hours to watch and then most of the new content will be painting and battle reports. But after 3 months when this becomes apparent customers will think they might aswell keep paying to get their free model

Ok, that Vindicare Assasin is fething awesome.

I've never seen anyone playing Assasins but nobody minds awesome display models

That and the Masterclass makes it worth it for me: at least better than a WoW sub.

Gonna wait and see for Masterclass. Let's see how well it actually goes. Before I decide to charge an annual sub to any card.

Oh, the Megaboss is quite cool too.

I’m very interested in how deep the old content mine goes.

See, I’m lucky to have pocket and patience to buy whatever old books I want, for a price I find largely agreeable.

Example, I spent last year assembling a complete set of Rogue Trade era book, and this year I spent time assembling a complete set (barring Titan Legions, but just had my bonus, maybe time to fix that) 2nd Ed epic.

I won’t reveal the price I paid because that’s terribly gauche, but suffice to say whilst I bided my time and got the best price I could, cheap it was not.

They’ve already reprinted Rogue Trader and the two original Realms of Chaos book. So those clearly exist in some form of modern electronic format.

Stick that holy trinity up, and I’d say you’re pretty much getting your subs worth right there.

Add in Waaaargh! The Orks, let alone ‘Ere We Go and Freebooterz? Well I need not further damage already somewhat fragile originals.

The archive could be our on demand play thing. If those like me happy to be early adopters can request/demand certain volumes or archive battle reports on behalf of non-subscribers, so much the better.

The way they word the white dwarf archive is a little confusing too.

You could read it as ALL white dwarfs up to 2020, or just 2020.

Model rail offerings have in general provided the entire back catalogue, I expect if that isn't there at the start, it will be by the time 2nd year renewals are due.

My only concern is that going forward we might not see reprints or print on demand of old print content or releases on DVD/Blueray of the TV shows.

OR if we do they'll be collectors and thus at least double market value.


I really hope I'm wrong. I'd gladly pay regular market values for TV shows I enjoy to own on media even if I have subscription access. Cause you never know when the subscription service might end or I might not sign up to it any more etc... Or perhaps GW has a hissy fit fight with one of their production studios and suddenly a bunch of videos get pulled from subscription etc...

More than I expected, but not for me. Will look forward to seeing reviews of the cartoons, though.

By my limited and indeed massively Luddite understanding, digitising such volumes isn’t much more than paying someone to scan in the old volumes, perhaps a digital spit and polish, then save it to the right format.

It’s almost certainly more complicated than that. But I’m wondering how much more complicated?

Perhaps a Dakkanaut with actual, genuine, relevant experience of creating an exportable digital archive could chime in?

Hm... nope. The free mini thing is not something I like to see linked with a streaming service, for starters, I'm not fond of "orruks" and the other mini is basically a floating statue with a guy on top, of which I already have three.

I might subscribe a month when there's actually enough stuff to fill a month, or to read.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By my limited and indeed massively Luddite understanding, digitising such volumes isn’t much more than paying someone to scan in the old volumes, perhaps a digital spit and polish, then save it to the right format.

It’s almost certainly more complicated than that. But I’m wondering how much more complicated?

Perhaps a Dakkanaut with actual, genuine, relevant experience of creating an exportable digital archive could chime in?

It really is, and it really isn't ^^.

It isn't if you go the fast/cheap/lazy route and simply scan it. It is much harder if you actually convert it into a digital book/comic/whatever, with proper quality and all.

Random nobodies on the internet have mastered the arcane art of scanning back issues of White Dwarf and uploading PDFs, so there's no reason that GW shouldn't be able to do it.

They should have done it years ago; and shouldn't be locking it behind a subscription service.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Slightly better quality of the Vindicare than the current photo in the thread. Great model. I feel like he needs to be slightly higher, though that would be a nightmare to transport

Thanks for sharing the image! Great model and there's more content than I expected but not enough to tempt me. Our household generally prefers one time digital purchases over the monthly subscription model.

 Albertorius wrote:


It really is, and it really isn't ^^.

It isn't if you go the fast/cheap/lazy route and simply scan it. It is much harder if you actually convert it into a digital book/comic/whatever, with proper quality and all.

They will not be providing them in downloadable format I wouldn't think. Too much of a win for pirating.

It will be some sort of online reader integrated into the platform.