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 frankelee wrote:
I gotta say, GW making people angry at them results in so much earned advertising that it's hard to argue with.

That they as a company are so straightjacketed by their own corporate fear they can't have some pros break out the foam, balsa wood, and bits box to make an awesome bespoke board that looks like an agri-world, really speaks to how they are just waiting for their iceberg to appear in front of them and end it all, but until then, they're cranking out products and raking in cash. Mediocre cartoons, painting videos, and battle reports, included.

GW makes custom terrain all the time. The problem is it often ends up with people going "Ohh is that going to be a model for us."
They had it with Ossiarchs and their wall and gate house; they had it with necrons and their terrain features there (that open pylon top off an obilisk).

So GW do do their own terrain, it just tends to result in people wanting to buy it. So why not follow that and generally show terrain that customers CAN buy.

caladancid wrote:
There are no whales for this. When this fact sinks in, prepare for the insanity of massive in app purchases for all the things.

Eh, just you wait. If they're smart, they'll find a way. People buy their limited edition codex books with different covers and free 30 cent trinkets. They know their low-impulse control audience.

yukishiro1 wrote:
That's just a conflict between the lore and the reality of GW's business. The lore says its an agriworld, so it's an agriworld. But GW doesn't produce any agriworld terrain, so they can't make it actually look like an agriworld, because then they can't sell you what they're advertising to you.

Nonsense. This battle is quite clearly taking place on the outskirts of a massive farm growing gothinium, an important protein crop that in its immature stages resembles gothic ruins...

What’s the cover save for Corn again? Corn the edible stuff, not hiding behind Khorne just to be clear.

I mean they could have fields and silos with a baneblade or Khornmower converted into Combines, but a farm field isn’t more of a thing I think of for a WWII battlefield. This is obviously still WIP as it was stated. They can still add more buildings which the newer picture shows as happening, and they can add blown up tanks and destroyed Titans for cover. If they release videos of how they build the table for gameplay and how you can change stuff around that will be a great advertisement for them.

Sadly some just want to see the finished product already and are going to criticize everything that they haven’t seen yet.

 Theophony wrote:
What’s the cover save for Corn again? Corn the edible stuff, not hiding behind Khorne just to be clear.

I mean they could have fields and silos with a baneblade or Khornmower converted into Combines, but a farm field isn’t more of a thing I think of for a WWII battlefield. This is obviously still WIP as it was stated. They can still add more buildings which the newer picture shows as happening, and they can add blown up tanks and destroyed Titans for cover. If they release videos of how they build the table for gameplay and how you can change stuff around that will be a great advertisement for them.

Sadly some just want to see the finished product already and are going to criticize everything that they haven’t seen yet.

Now I want to see a Lord of Skulls with a threasher on the front, the blood silos on the back full of grain, a big straw hat, and chewing on a haystalk.

 Arbitrator wrote:
The only places I've seen full blown boards made exclusively of GW stuff - even if it's just the buildings and not the boards/mats - are GW stores and the very occasional 40k-only Youtuber who tend to be mouthpieces for the company and desperate to be noticed however they can.

I could probably do it.

 Arbitrator wrote:
... and if you're hardcore enough to be into terrain/board building, you're probably looking to build from third parties anyway when GW's offerings are so limited.

This much I'll say is true. GW is mostly limited to various ruins, mostly of whatever the "good guy human" faction is for their particular game. In fantasy it was plastic medieval buildings and the odd stonehenge-y temple. For AoS it's just various very very busy ruins. For 40k it's been four distinct flavours of Imperial ruins, with the odd smattering of other things here and there. There's a distinct lack of natural terrain. They stopped selling hills a long time ago (no, those horrible Realm of Battle boards do not count), and they have a single remaining tree kit. I've had to go to places like Gamemat.eu and Gale Force 9 to get desert terrain, martian terrain, rocks, rivers and trees.

The other added problem is that GW seems to take their terrain out of production almost at random, and always without any warning. Ryza Pattern ruins vanished one day. Pretty soon after that almost all the Sector Imperialis stuff disappeared into the ether. Will it come back? Who knows!!! I doubt it, given that GW's current terrain offerings (the Vertigus stuff, the new Ork stuff) fit very well with their current miniature design (no modularity, no expandability - just set kits with set configurations and very little customisability, if any). I'm surprised the Skyshield and Void Shield Generator are still on sale.

I'm worried that the Dominion of Sigmar stuff will be the next to go. I can't find this on the GW website anymore. Or the Hallowed Stormthrone. And if they do go, we'll get no notice. One day they just won't be there anymore.

 Overread wrote:
GW makes custom terrain all the time. The problem is it often ends up with people going "Ohh is that going to be a model for us." They had it with Ossiarchs and their wall and gate house; they had it with necrons and their terrain features there (that open pylon top off an obilisk).

So GW do do their own terrain, it just tends to result in people wanting to buy it. So why not follow that and generally show terrain that customers CAN buy.

That almost sounds like a roundabout way of blaming the players. "We'd do more custom boards if not for everyone asking for it!".

I've already said that this board has one Kan. We don't need a second, Overread.

 Gert wrote:
Yeah no dirt on an unpainted board. Weird that.

tneva82 wrote:
Uuh...you weather your models before painting? Seeing paint covers it and you need weather again...whajt's the point?

BrianDavion wrote:
yeah it's kinda absurd to complaina bout the board's colours given it's obvious it hasn't been painted yet.

I can't believe that three people in a row completely missed Wha's point about this city board looking nothing like what people might find on your typical agri-world. It's like you were trying to just have a go at him directly, so intentionally ignored what he said.

Poor form, all three of you.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

caladancid wrote:
There are no whales for this. When this fact sinks in, prepare for the insanity of massive in app purchases for all the things.

Eh, just you wait. If they're smart, they'll find a way. People buy their limited edition codex books with different covers and free 30 cent trinkets. They know their low-impulse control audience.

Seems like you two are agreeing with extra steps.

Right now, people cannot be whales because there is nothing to purchase for Warhammer+ beyond the initial subscription.

But you can bet GW is going to change that real fast, and then we'll see people lining up for that digital plastic crack.

And then we will have people like Overread telling us what a great deal that is, after telling us what a great it was when it was free!! Can't wait!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So there's an article on "Battle Report", which is a tremendously original title for their W+ battle report videos.

Here's their WIP table for the first one (DG vs Ultramarines):

First of all: I hope that's not it. Planet bowling ball is a bad start.

Secondly, it suddenly reminded me that every "Battle Report" is going to take place on a Realm of Battle board. Great...

The other pictures towards the end of that article look much better, although it's not really possible to see all the details with the shots they used.

They probably shouldn't have led off with a plain grey board and sand, but we all know their marketing folks aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

Seems like their terrain artist did good work on it though.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW makes custom terrain all the time. The problem is it often ends up with people going "Ohh is that going to be a model for us." They had it with Ossiarchs and their wall and gate house; they had it with necrons and their terrain features there (that open pylon top off an obilisk).

So GW do do their own terrain, it just tends to result in people wanting to buy it. So why not follow that and generally show terrain that customers CAN buy.

That almost sounds like a roundabout way of blaming the players. "We'd do more custom boards if not for everyone asking for it!".

I've already said that this board has one Kan. We don't need a second, Overread.

I'm not saying its the "customers fault". I'm saying that when GW shows off custom, unique terrain features, people do ask when/if they will be able to buy them. There's clearly market interest, so it makes sense for GW to display more of their own kits (and they do have a good few of them now) in their promotional and display material.
And as I noted GW DO show off custom stuff, chances are we'll see it appear in future videos and displays, just not this first video. At least so far as we've seen from the preview of the board.

caladancid wrote:And then we will have people like Overread telling us what a great deal that is, after telling us what a great it was when it was free!! Can't wait!

Wait go back to when GW was giving promotional models and animations away for free? Or back access to White Dwarf?
Sure battlereports and painting tutorials were free in the past, app access has been hit and miss (The AoS one was free, the 40K one was paid). Free is good, but that doesn't mean that Warhammer + can't offer good value for money. Perhaps not on day one and perhaps for some they'll just subscribe for a month - drop it and then subscribe again once every few months for a few videos they want to see or such. GW clearly wants you to stay subscribed, but you'll like as not totally be able to drop in and out.
Yes you won't get the same bonuses - I suspect most vouchers will be linked ot subscription times and the models are tied to a full 12 month period.

 Overread wrote:

caladancid wrote:And then we will have people like Overread telling us what a great deal that is, after telling us what a great it was when it was free!! Can't wait!

Wait go back to when GW was giving promotional models and animations away for free? Or back access to White Dwarf?
Sure battlereports and painting tutorials were free in the past, app access has been hit and miss (The AoS one was free, the 40K one was paid). Free is good, but that doesn't mean that Warhammer + can't offer good value for money. Perhaps not on day one and perhaps for some they'll just subscribe for a month - drop it and then subscribe again once every few months for a few videos they want to see or such. GW clearly wants you to stay subscribed, but you'll like as not totally be able to drop in and out.
Yes you won't get the same bonuses - I suspect most vouchers will be linked ot subscription times and the models are tied to a full 12 month period.

My read is: he's saying you'll be ready in the bullpen to defend whatever in-app purchases GW institutes once they decide it's time to turn on the Warhammer+ revenue hose.

After a short read of your comments in this thread, that seems like a fair and valid assumption to make.

I should have made it extra clear the free was within the idea that you are ALREADY paying for the app, I thought that was self evident.

The point here should be quite obvious. A select group of people is determined to not ask GW to be a reasonable, respectful business to its customers. Those same people make up ANY sort of reason to post about how we should grin and ask how high. This hurts the hobby. The way I am proving this point right now is that that same select group of people, who are substantively making the hobby worse long term, are pre-supportive of the idea that GW would charge you extra for content in the app after telling us that charging for the app was fine because of all the good free content.

caladancid wrote:
Here is the part of the app that I can’t wait to become reality for GW. No matter how hard certain people white Knight for GW, they can only buy the sub once. There is no pile of shame FOMO driven wife aggro producing stack of boxes.

There are no whales for this. When this fact sinks in, prepare for the insanity of massive in app purchases for all the things.

People will buy multiple subscriptions so they can get the 'free' model multiple times.

That's.... one possibility.

 insaniak wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
That's just a conflict between the lore and the reality of GW's business. The lore says its an agriworld, so it's an agriworld. But GW doesn't produce any agriworld terrain, so they can't make it actually look like an agriworld, because then they can't sell you what they're advertising to you.

Nonsense. This battle is quite clearly taking place on the outskirts of a massive farm growing gothinium, an important protein crop that in its immature stages resembles gothic ruins...

It's brilliant. Just think how much they could charge for the fully mature gothinium stalk.

 Arbitrator wrote:

caladancid wrote:
Here is the part of the app that I can’t wait to become reality for GW. No matter how hard certain people white Knight for GW, they can only buy the sub once. There is no pile of shame FOMO driven wife aggro producing stack of boxes.

There are no whales for this. When this fact sinks in, prepare for the insanity of massive in app purchases for all the things.

People will buy multiple subscriptions so they can get the 'free' model multiple times.

Or they will be able to buy a chinacast copy a week after the model is in the hands of consumers.
I have seen models available for ordering within a couple days of being put on pre-order on GW website.

Or they can just find someone else who's subscribed and trade extras, since the subscription also allows you to buy the other model?

As said by others , bit of a miss that this is supposed to be an agri-world. If they only restrict to gw.kits for terrain, most of these battle report ate going to be really bland, at.least visually

When will the service be released? 11 AM CET today?

edit: The app on Android is available but I can see no way to subscribe.

 Theophony wrote:
I mean they could have fields and silos with a baneblade or Khornmower converted into Combines, but a farm field isn’t more of a thing I think of for a WWII battlefield. This is obviously still WIP as it was stated. They can still add more buildings which the newer picture shows as happening, and they can add blown up tanks and destroyed Titans for cover. If they release videos of how they build the table for gameplay and how you can change stuff around that will be a great advertisement for them.

Sure, that's why WWII miniature games manufacturers never bother making rural scenery (specifically, farms) to sell...

It's really impressive the parts of the miniature wargaming industry that GW pretends don't exist. When it comes to battle reports, one of the best things for me is seeing the table. IMO, Tabletop Tactics, StrikingScorpion82, and WintersSEO (all on youtube) do this the best, with smatterings of rocks and a healthy mix of GW and other company terrain, all painted well and to the same standard so they mix well together.

ON TOP OF THAT they use gaming mats of all different types, and the mat really helps each battlefield feel distinct, even if it's the same terrain on top of it. Just having a different color, from desert, city, or martian landscape, underneath the same buildings creates some much more visually interesting things.

GW used to sell gamemats. They were 4x4, and there were 2 of them that I remember, and they were both impossibly busy. One was a giant chaos star taking up half the board, and what the heck kind of terrain makes sense sitting on top of a giant lava chaos star? To nobody's surprise, they stopped making those, despite game mats made of that mousepad material being industry standard across the rest of miniature wargaming.

Now, they're trying to sell us on these cardboard fold-out boards. After about 3-4 uses, the cardboard tends to start to rip if you're not really careful, and the folding lines are just meh. BUT YOU CAN FIT 4 OF THEM TOGETHER.

Good lord, just get a gaming mat. What grinds my gears is that you can't even bring a game mat into a GW store or the Citadel or anything and expect to play on it. It's all gotta be 100% GW's sad attempt to reinvent the wheel on stuff that already makes sense.

 Arbitrator wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
your entire point is the same as it always is "GW BAD!"

His point is quite obviously that it's meant to be an Agri-World but the board, even unpainted, is very obviously urban/Sector Imperialis(tm) terrain. You don't exactly have to squint to see it's not in fields or a processing plant.

Of course there's Agri-Worlds with cities and factories and the like, but it's an odd callout to say "It's an Agri-World!" and then put it on every other GW-approved board.

the world in question is Iax yes, however the action all took place at the seige of a spaceport which was the IoM's last real bastion on the world, Iax was by that time defacto a deamon world.


this is all made clear if ya you know read Godblight

drbored wrote:
It's really impressive the parts of the miniature wargaming industry that GW pretends don't exist. When it comes to battle reports, one of the best things for me is seeing the table. IMO, Tabletop Tactics, StrikingScorpion82, and WintersSEO (all on youtube) do this the best, with smatterings of rocks and a healthy mix of GW and other company terrain, all painted well and to the same standard so they mix well together.

ON TOP OF THAT they use gaming mats of all different types, and the mat really helps each battlefield feel distinct, even if it's the same terrain on top of it. Just having a different color, from desert, city, or martian landscape, underneath the same buildings creates some much more visually interesting things.

GW used to sell gamemats. They were 4x4, and there were 2 of them that I remember, and they were both impossibly busy. One was a giant chaos star taking up half the board, and what the heck kind of terrain makes sense sitting on top of a giant lava chaos star? To nobody's surprise, they stopped making those, despite game mats made of that mousepad material being industry standard across the rest of miniature wargaming.

Now, they're trying to sell us on these cardboard fold-out boards. After about 3-4 uses, the cardboard tends to start to rip if you're not really careful, and the folding lines are just meh. BUT YOU CAN FIT 4 OF THEM TOGETHER.

Good lord, just get a gaming mat. What grinds my gears is that you can't even bring a game mat into a GW store or the Citadel or anything and expect to play on it. It's all gotta be 100% GW's sad attempt to reinvent the wheel on stuff that already makes sense.

Yeah, that's one of the part of nuGW that i hate the most. Completely removed the diy part of the hobby and almost only showing GW produced terrain. Which is kind of sad considering that old WD were having articles showing how to make some terrain

This is the internet, the point of a discussion is to look for a way to prove the other guy wrong.

I agree with Wha-Mu though. This is an industrial board, or an urban one. It is not a rural board and paint can't fix that (indeed you can see pictures of the finished product as well and it didn't change much).
This is an odd board for something set on an agri world. It is very clearly made to show off the current Realm of Battle board, since GW doesn't presently sell an appropriate rural board.

I'm sure in the narrative this will be occuring in the capitol city of the world or something, but that seems like a justification after the fact to me.

EDIT: I appear to have missed a page and am responding to an old topic

Got the Warhammer TV app on Apple, but as with Vovin, currently no way to subscribe.

The weirdest thing is they had free rein to choose whatever scenario they wanted but ended up choosing something that, in many people's minds, doesn't make sense. They also had the opportunity to show off a cool custom table for an agri-world but instead we get industrial gothic again. Yes, I get that Iax had at least one major settlement but I'm talking about the images conjured up when people think of an agri-world. This ain't it.

I'm pretty sure GW could have put together a pretty cool agri-world board using their Ad Mech terrain sets and a few choice pieces from other kits they produce. There are silo-like elements there and bits of machinery that could easily be slightly converted to make them look more agricultural than industrial. They don't have to go outside the GW ecosystem to do it but it would actually demonstrate a lot more creativity in their approach than they used here.

 phandaal wrote:

 Overread wrote:

caladancid wrote:And then we will have people like Overread telling us what a great deal that is, after telling us what a great it was when it was free!! Can't wait!

Wait go back to when GW was giving promotional models and animations away for free? Or back access to White Dwarf?
Sure battlereports and painting tutorials were free in the past, app access has been hit and miss (The AoS one was free, the 40K one was paid). Free is good, but that doesn't mean that Warhammer + can't offer good value for money. Perhaps not on day one and perhaps for some they'll just subscribe for a month - drop it and then subscribe again once every few months for a few videos they want to see or such. GW clearly wants you to stay subscribed, but you'll like as not totally be able to drop in and out.
Yes you won't get the same bonuses - I suspect most vouchers will be linked ot subscription times and the models are tied to a full 12 month period.

My read is: he's saying you'll be ready in the bullpen to defend whatever in-app purchases GW institutes once they decide it's time to turn on the Warhammer+ revenue hose.

After a short read of your comments in this thread, that seems like a fair and valid assumption to make.

I mean you did see me complaining about AoS right? At launch?
Granted, if I recall right, I had some of the "this can't really be it can it, rules must be around the next corner right"? Because of how outlandishly strange the whole AoS launch was?
Or my regular "darn it GW stop doing one short print run of your lore/art books"
Or the "darn it £40 for cavalry is too much I don't like this price" even though I still (through 3rd parties so with discount) bought some (which in some way invalidates my viewpoint I agree).

Subscriptions are already open on https://mywarhammer.com/ , but no sign of the app yet. The vault is open though as I have just signed up https://warhammer-vault.com/.

On closer inspection you can see the contents of the vault, but can't access any of the items yet.

I use the fold out cardboard boards quite a lot, as they're what my university has.

They're not terrible, they're quite durable and we've had no issues in that regard. The double sided-ness is also quite nice and they're easier to pack away and store than the mouse-mat stuff used at another club (flat cuboid vs long floppy cylinder).
But having to join multiple to make a table is annoying as they always shift during a game.

But overall I think they are a good product that have advantages over mousemats.

Almost all the other GW terrain I see is horrendous though. Those high raised gantries with thin spindly legs are the worst. You can fill a table with those and you still end up with what is effectively an open field with shooting roosts that are very difficult to reach with melee units.

 Drakheart wrote:
Subscriptions are already open on https://mywarhammer.com/ , but no sign of the app yet. The vault is open though as I have just signed up https://warhammer-vault.com/.

Isn't warhammer tv the app you need?