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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Talking the business side of Warhammer TV specifically.

Wouldn't hammer and bolter, considering they're fairly accessible stories by the looks of things, without the need to know extensive knowledge of the lore to understand the premise, wouldn't GW have been best served licensing that out to Netflix etc to draw more people into the hobby still?

I think it's clear in case of WHTV GW prioritized getting more money out of existing customers over seeking new ones.

This just looks like it's GW trying to make the money that people out in the community have been making by way of lore, painting, and "fan film" videos, and making it themselves. It wouldn't be so easy to criticize if it hadn't happened at the same time as another shift in their IP policy that appeared to be about freezing out those aforementioned fan films.

So they get to control to control the narrative of the content, they get the monetization of it, and they get another avenue of advertising for their body of products. As I've said before, this is basically white dwarf digital.

No joy at all in getting Warhammer tv to run on my laptop, just get a yellow ish ring going round for a bit then it gives up. Is this a Chrome issue or am I just missing what I am meant to do?

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Talking the business side of Warhammer TV specifically.

Wouldn't hammer and bolter, considering they're fairly accessible stories by the looks of things, without the need to know extensive knowledge of the lore to understand the premise, wouldn't GW have been best served licensing that out to Netflix etc to draw more people into the hobby still?

I'm not suggesting they couldn't have warhammer tv as well per say, but it does seem like a trick has been missed by blocking it all behind a paywall that only people aware of the hobby would ever subscribe to. There's strong rumours that the EPL (football/soccer league in the UK) will eventually have their own subscription service, ending their arrangements with sky/BT etc as there is just too much money left on the table still by partnering with them, that could go direct to the clubs if they had their own product, so GW will be the master of their own destinies and ability to accrue revenue from their IP, but still... It seems like a huge trick has been missed to bring more into the hobby.

I think GW is perhaps not big enough for Netflix to care. Or for Netflix to care enough to want to make a show whilst being overseen by GW for lore and accuracy and such.
I'm sure that is one reason GW's video game licence tends to get picked up either by companies that really want to work with it (eg CA) or those who are much much smaller who essentially need the leg-up that the licence brings with it in terms of marketing and such.

I think video wise GW is in the same position as they were years ago with video games in that they aren't a TV company. They aren't in the media or videos or films enough to make them a known quantity. So right now they've the money and they've invested that into the kind of shows that we are seeing from Warhammer+. Perhaps with a view that they can grow their name, identity and chances in that market and that perhaps ni the future they can approach Netflix or Amazon and say "Hey we've got this big setting, big fanbase and they love our stuff and we'd like to work with you on producing a show " etc...

I think its one reason they've come down on paid/donated fan videos in the last months - just like they did for video games years ago. IT's not just a market GW is paying to be in; its a market GW might envision others paying them for the licence to work with. So they need a clean slate legally speaking

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
No joy at all in getting Warhammer tv to run on my laptop, just get a yellow ish ring going round for a bit then it gives up. Is this a Chrome issue or am I just missing what I am meant to do?

I ran into this and don't know if it is coincidence but...

I had subscribed to the app through the Apple store, on my iPhone, and had to upgrade my subscription through that. Once I upgraded, I was seeing the issue you saw (on Chrome). However, once I downloaded the Warhammer TV app on my iPhone and logged into that, Chrome seemed to automatically log me in (or just happened to succeed at that same time).

It was odd, but this info may help you?

 Overread wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Talking the business side of Warhammer TV specifically.

Wouldn't hammer and bolter, considering they're fairly accessible stories by the looks of things, without the need to know extensive knowledge of the lore to understand the premise, wouldn't GW have been best served licensing that out to Netflix etc to draw more people into the hobby still?

I'm not suggesting they couldn't have warhammer tv as well per say, but it does seem like a trick has been missed by blocking it all behind a paywall that only people aware of the hobby would ever subscribe to. There's strong rumours that the EPL (football/soccer league in the UK) will eventually have their own subscription service, ending their arrangements with sky/BT etc as there is just too much money left on the table still by partnering with them, that could go direct to the clubs if they had their own product, so GW will be the master of their own destinies and ability to accrue revenue from their IP, but still... It seems like a huge trick has been missed to bring more into the hobby.

I think GW is perhaps not big enough for Netflix to care. Or for Netflix to care enough to want to make a show whilst being overseen by GW for lore and accuracy and such.
I'm sure that is one reason GW's video game licence tends to get picked up either by companies that really want to work with it (eg CA) or those who are much much smaller who essentially need the leg-up that the licence brings with it in terms of marketing and such.

I think video wise GW is in the same position as they were years ago with video games in that they aren't a TV company. They aren't in the media or videos or films enough to make them a known quantity. So right now they've the money and they've invested that into the kind of shows that we are seeing from Warhammer+. Perhaps with a view that they can grow their name, identity and chances in that market and that perhaps ni the future they can approach Netflix or Amazon and say "Hey we've got this big setting, big fanbase and they love our stuff and we'd like to work with you on producing a show " etc...

I think its one reason they've come down on paid/donated fan videos in the last months - just like they did for video games years ago. IT's not just a market GW is paying to be in; its a market GW might envision others paying them for the licence to work with. So they need a clean slate legally speaking

I get what you are saying, but on the other hand, have you seen what is in the Netflix and Amazon Prime catalogue? They'll take most things for a stint at least - I am aware this is more due to publishers/studios selling a license to Netflix etc or however it works, which is why there is a lot of trash on there but you get my point.

GW could take the hit to have one of the shows on there (and when I say take a hit, I mean not make as much money out of it as they potentially could on Warhammer+) as a means to get it out there a bit more. What will be super interesting is if TV/Streaming service critics and the like that aren't invested in GW like influencers within the fanbase start reviewing it etc.

Rihgu wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
No joy at all in getting Warhammer tv to run on my laptop, just get a yellow ish ring going round for a bit then it gives up. Is this a Chrome issue or am I just missing what I am meant to do?

I ran into this and don't know if it is coincidence but...

I had subscribed to the app through the Apple store, on my iPhone, and had to upgrade my subscription through that. Once I upgraded, I was seeing the issue you saw (on Chrome). However, once I downloaded the Warhammer TV app on my iPhone and logged into that, Chrome seemed to automatically log me in (or just happened to succeed at that same time).

It was odd, but this info may help you?

Cheers, I have not downloaded the app anywhere on my phone yet as I try to keep my phone relatively app free...but the laptop site does seem to be having real issues recognising that I am logged in as it is constantly asking me to log in when I already am.

Edit: That fixed it, cheers Rihgu.

Also.

Why put it on another streaming site and share your revenue when you’re the industry leader, with reference points entirely your own, and feel confident enough to claim all those lovely lovely fivers entirely to yourself?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
No joy at all in getting Warhammer tv to run on my laptop, just get a yellow ish ring going round for a bit then it gives up. Is this a Chrome issue or am I just missing what I am meant to do?

I ran into this and don't know if it is coincidence but...

I had subscribed to the app through the Apple store, on my iPhone, and had to upgrade my subscription through that. Once I upgraded, I was seeing the issue you saw (on Chrome). However, once I downloaded the Warhammer TV app on my iPhone and logged into that, Chrome seemed to automatically log me in (or just happened to succeed at that same time).

It was odd, but this info may help you?

Cheers, I have not downloaded the app anywhere on my phone yet as I try to keep my phone relatively app free...but the laptop site does seem to be having real issues recognising that I am logged in as it is constantly asking me to log in when I already am.

Edit: That fixed it, cheers Rihgu.

Also had the same issue with chrome, despite subscribing using chrome. had to install firefox and it worked fine...

There's an app? On my android I been using the warhammertv website

shadowsfm wrote:
There's an app? On my android I been using the warhammertv website

The app is also called WarhammerTV. It lets you watch the shows but you still need to go to the dedicated site for the magazine and book content.

I thought becoming a + member would give you full access to the app, which I thought meant unlocking all the codexes, seems that's not the case

Aeneades wrote:

shadowsfm wrote:
There's an app? On my android I been using the warhammertv website

The app is also called WarhammerTV. It lets you watch the shows but you still need to go to the dedicated site for the magazine and book content.

Ok got it. It still won't cast to roku, Only my vizio tvs. Do you think they will ever do more with the cinematic trailers, like turn them into feature length movies?

 Alexonian wrote:
I thought becoming a + member would give you full access to the app, which I thought meant unlocking all the codexes, seems that's not the case

That's what the code found in the codex is for.

 Alexonian wrote:
I thought becoming a + member would give you full access to the app, which I thought meant unlocking all the codexes, seems that's not the case

I was under the impression it unlocked the 8th edition codices & updates for free, but not for 9th.

deano2099 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

"So its not entirely out of the question that this does represent a scene from an agri-world, just not the "stereotype" of what you expect an agriworld to look like."
I.E. This is me continuing to affirm what I said in the sentence prior, that even an agriworld will have urban areas that look like the board previewed.

There's no "question" for it to be entirely in or out of. It's a battle documented in a book that takes place in an urban area, and by the time you posted that multiple people on the thread had told you that.
It *does* represent a scene from an agri world, and the battle does take place in an area atypical of what much of an agri-world looks like. There's no question to be had. Why still present it that way? Why "I might be wrong" and not just "I was wrong" ?

I mean I understand why, people don't want to lose an argument on the internet, but it's weird to keep bringing it up time and again and saying people didn't comprehend what you were saying, when you got it wrong. It's okay to be wrong. I thought the same thing as you did at first then connected what the battle was and checked the book.

So your reading comprehension sucks too.
Or you're the exact type of "i don't want to lose an argument on the internet" type you're trying to paint me as.
Or you're confusing me for someone else ("and by the time you posted that multiple people on the thread had told you that" - point of fact, no they didn't. I only made one post on the topic after seeing people go after Wha-mu for irrelevant reasons. If people did point out that the book takes place in the city's capital by that point in the thread, they definitely were not directed at me, and I definitely didn't read them).
Or some/all of the above.

I didn't get anything wrong, because I never said that the table wasn't representative of an agri-world to begin with. Quite the opposite in fact. Even though I reiterated/agreed with Wha-mu's point that it doesn't match the stereotype of an agri-world - which people were attempting to misconstrue as being an issue of "paint" as opposed to "landscape", I very clearly pointed out that an agri-world is more than farms and fields. I.E. - I was telling off the people who were harassing Wha-mu (which is the first half of the paragraph, which wasn't quoted), while still pointing out that his actual point (i.e. the landscape was wrong) was still incorrect.

To clarify further, this is what Wha-mu originally posted on page 26:



This is the response he received to that post, also on page 26:



These responses misconstrued, mischaracterized, and misrepresented wha-mu's point. His point was that he believed an agri-world should look rural and not industrialized or like a city, etc. His comment about a lack of dirt was meant to be humorous/hyperbolic and to point out that the entire board was supposed to be representative of an urban landscape devoid of anything approaching a plowed field or something you would expect in a rural landscape. In very understandable frustration, Wha-mu responded to this on page 26 with:



That is what I was responding to when I made my post:



So again, the first part of that is reiterating what Wha-mu's point was in order to demonstrate that I understood his point and to elucidate what it was because he was being unfairly attacked by trolls that were making the argument about something other than what it was actually about (paint and weathering). The second part of that post is me pointing out to him the flaw in his argument, as was explained by Overread on page 26:



The third part of that post is me reinforcing Overreads point by stating that agri-worlds do in fact have more than farms on them and that an urban landscape is still possible on an agri-world despite his protest to the contrary.

At no point in this discussion was I ever "wrong", because my position in this discussion from the beginning has always been the same - that the board IS, in fact, representative of an agri-world.

At no point in this was I "told by multiple people" that the book describes the battle as taking place in a city. The book doesn't come up anywhere on page 26 at all. Thats essentially all I was responding to when I wrote my post. Whatever Godblight, or whatever the book is, says is irrelevant and immaterial. The book doesn't contradict anything that I said (rather, it reinforces it by agreeing that the agri-world in question has urbanized and industrialized areas). At the time I wrote my post, the last post on the board was Tokhuah's at the top of page 27 re: the Tarot. I'm posting from work so it took me a while to get it on there, which is why my post didn't actually appear until page 30 - a bunch of stuff I didn't read was posted in between typing this and posting it.

Reading forward from that last post about the Tarot, Kanluwen references lexicanum to determine that the planet in question has more than just farms and suggests that the novel might offer more details on where the battle takes place, but evidently hasn't read the book himself as he doesn't seem to be aware of the details. People continue arguing back and forth about whether an agri-world can have cities for another 2-3 pages that I mostly didn't read, with others basically taking the same stand as I did, such as H.B.M.C on page 28:



Its not until the bottom of page 28 that someone (BrianDavion) actually explains that the book sets the battle in an urban area of the planet. Great, its still immaterial and irrelevant, because it doesn't contradict what I said, its not something I ever read, commented, or engaged with, and essentially makes no change in what my argument was (that people are donkey-caves and that wha-mu is still wrong despite that).

And then tneva82, one of the three aforementioned trolls, comes in later and completely misunderstands what I wrote and seems to think I'm arguing that wha-mu is right and that agri-worlds *cant* have cities:



Which is where I start being a condescending ass to him because 1- Hes a troll and 2- Was completely and objectively wrong in his interpretation of my post, and the rest is history.

Dudeface wrote:

Spoiler:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Wow, 2 free months of something that isn't worth the free part....

Such wonderous times we live in.

So in order to get people to sign up they need:
£10 voucher
2 free months

Man the sheer value they've given everyone!

Well, if you want to break it down fiscally, I've bought a £10 voucher, pre-ordered a £25 mini and paid £15 for 12 months of animations, battle reports, painting guides, lore dives, a book back catalogue and access to (eventually) 2 army building apps.

I guess I value the non hobby components significantly less than others do. currently I pay 0 for battle reports, already have a Vindicare, don't need painting guides, and 0 for army apps. So for me at least it offers very little above the animations. I know I'm not the target demographic, but I was genuinely excited about it until they started killing fanime.

It's pure entertainment to read all the complaints on here. It literally costs less than a cup of coffee a month. If you dont like it, dont subscribe. Seems simple. I'll be subscribing because I love all things warhammer and it's cheap enough.

Been trying to subscribe all day. Nothing but errors.

Maybe this is a sign that I should not sign up.

The lengths people will go to, to win an argument on here at times are unreal.

Drop it, you literally get no value out of arguing the toss any further, it brings nothing to your life.

shadowsfm wrote:

Aeneades wrote:

shadowsfm wrote:
There's an app? On my android I been using the warhammertv website

The app is also called WarhammerTV. It lets you watch the shows but you still need to go to the dedicated site for the magazine and book content.

Ok got it. It still won't cast to roku, Only my vizio tvs. Do you think they will ever do more with the cinematic trailers, like turn them into feature length movies?

Oh I see, roku has its own app I had to download on the tv

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Drop it, you literally get no value out of arguing the toss any further, it brings nothing to your life.

So it fits in the WH+ thread

So the white dwarf issues whats the latest issue currently avaliable in the mix?

Actually pleasantly surprised by how affordable this is in Japan - 700円 for a month??? You could actually almost buy something with the voucher??? Man, GW, did you actually... price something almost fairly out here for once? I'm impressed. Might check it out, but I'm put off by the stories of animation quality. Anyone know if the JP stuff has subtitles yet?

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Talking the business side of Warhammer TV specifically.

Wouldn't hammer and bolter, considering they're fairly accessible stories by the looks of things, without the need to know extensive knowledge of the lore to understand the premise, wouldn't GW have been best served licensing that out to Netflix etc to draw more people into the hobby still?

I very much doubt Netflix would have been interested tbh.

Certainly not on terms GW would have been willing to entertain. It's a pipe dream.

Anyway, having had a look through the vault, I think that's the weakest part for me. I think it needed a bit more stuff out of the gate, and a clearer idea of what will be added.

For example, will the lore parts of previous edition codexes be added? Classic stuff like the 2nd Ed Codex Imperialis?

BrianDavion wrote:
So the white dwarf issues whats the latest issue currently avaliable in the mix?

The only ones available right now are 450-459, the ten issues published in 2020. If one was hoping the were going to let you read more recent ones than that, I’d say that was a pipe dream - they still want to sell you the current mags.

I checked on my TV. There's no app to download. Figures...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So I’ve binged everything but the How To Plays.

It’s true the launch content is a bit thin.

A bit thin? You've binge watched almost everything on offer and the service has been available for, what, 10 hours at most?

Yeah, the US voucher is also pretty generous - $16 even though the exchange rate would otherwise peg it at $13-14.

 Gert wrote:
I would be surprised to see creator credits on GW stuff. Not because of some silly "GW is evil and wants all the credit" thing but because the fanbase is incredibly toxic and has shown in the past that it can and will do illegal things to creators people deem "bad".

They don't even put up the voice casts (or, at least, it wasn't present in the H&B preview ep they put up - maybe the app itself has the cast list).

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The lengths people will go to, to win an argument on here at times are unreal.

chaos0xomega isn't really going to any great lengths. He was correct right from the start.

The fact that people continue to wilfully mischaracterise, misconstrue and generally ignore everything he says (and what Wha said originally) doesn't make what he's saying any less true.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They don't even put up the voice casts (or, at least, it wasn't present in the H&B preview ep they put up - maybe the app itself has the cast list).

They may end up in trouble if this is the case. In some countries it's actually required by law.

Well the first hurdle is My Warhammer, which won't let me log in, won't let me reset my password, and provides no method to resolve this other than a link to a "Contact Us" page that has nothing relevant for the My Warhammer page (who do I contact? Not store CS, not "App" people... the community team?).