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As I understand it, there is a new app now for list building that is a part of the Warhammer+ Sub? Does anyone know if you're forced to sub to get that app, or if it will be available separately?

Not sure about an official app, but if all you're looking for is a list builder, Battle Scribe works great.

 phandaal wrote:
Not sure about an official app, but if all you're looking for is a list builder, Battle Scribe works great.

Thanks, but I've had horrendous problems with that software, from points or upgrades being wrong to near constant crashes on my phone. I was hoping for an official product like the previous app I was using.

Togusa wrote:
As I understand it, there is a new app now for list building that is a part of the Warhammer+ Sub? Does anyone know if you're forced to sub to get that app, or if it will be available separately?

Thanks, but I've had horrendous problems with that software, from points or upgrades being wrong to near constant crashes on my phone. I was hoping for an official product like the previous app I was using.

There's no new app with Warhammer+. It's Warhammer40k the app, the same badly designed app that's been out for months. But hey.. it's official!


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They're also revising the AoS app, but that hasn't been updated yet.

Official does have benefit in that every user can't modify data at will.

If I go to game with BS list with printed sheet there's no quarantee whatsoever it's actually correct points or correct rules. Because I myself can easily change the BS data. It's kid's play.

Surprising with all the misguided tsport attempts for GW games tournaments still accept BS being used seeing how easy it is to cheat with it.

It's not a surprise Battlescribe is used so often in tournaments when considering the alternatives.

Also, because the data can be modified relatively easily does not mean that it's become some sort of problem in tournaments. I've never even heard of this type of 'issue' before.

I'd trust a printed Battlescribe list more than a hand-written one.

tneva82 wrote:
Official does have benefit in that every user can't modify data at will.

If I go to game with BS list with printed sheet there's no quarantee whatsoever it's actually correct points or correct rules. Because I myself can easily change the BS data. It's kid's play.

well, there is also no guarantee that the that what you get out of the official App is right

someone comes with the printed pages from the App, one with pages from Battlescribe, and one with Codex+Errata and you get 3 different versions of the same rules
Now the App one must the be right because it is the official App with the latest rules, yet we have seen that this is not the case so for now the official App has no advantage over BS because both can be wrong

 kodos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Official does have benefit in that every user can't modify data at will.

If I go to game with BS list with printed sheet there's no quarantee whatsoever it's actually correct points or correct rules. Because I myself can easily change the BS data. It's kid's play.

well, there is also no guarantee that the that what you get out of the official App is right

someone comes with the printed pages from the App, one with pages from Battlescribe, and one with Codex+Errata and you get 3 different versions of the same rules
Now the App one must the be right because it is the official App with the latest rules, yet we have seen that this is not the case so for now the official App has no advantage over BS because both can be wrong

Difference is the ones in BS are basically what the player claims are. At least with official app error is on GW's side. Not because the player in question decided himself so.

Both can be wrong. BS can be manipulated at will. It's got zero security. I can give myself assault 10 lasguns if I so wish. I can't do that with official app though(at least my skill level falls short at that. BS it's child's play. Whole point of BS is that it's easy to do the data...It's SUPPOSED to be editable.)

Mchagen wrote:

Togusa wrote:
As I understand it, there is a new app now for list building that is a part of the Warhammer+ Sub? Does anyone know if you're forced to sub to get that app, or if it will be available separately?

Thanks, but I've had horrendous problems with that software, from points or upgrades being wrong to near constant crashes on my phone. I was hoping for an official product like the previous app I was using.

There's no new app with Warhammer+. It's Warhammer40k the app, the same badly designed app that's been out for months. But hey.. it's official!


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They're also revising the AoS app, but that hasn't been updated yet.

That app isn't changing? That's the one I currently use and have very, very few issues with.

the current AoS App is going to be replaced with a 40k like App soon after the new Army books hits

tneva82 wrote:

Difference is the ones in BS are basically what the player claims are. At least with official app error is on GW's side. Not because the player in question decided himself so.

Both can be wrong. BS can be manipulated at will. It's got zero security. I can give myself assault 10 lasguns if I so wish. I can't do that with official app though(at least my skill level falls short at that. BS it's child's play. Whole point of BS is that it's easy to do the data...It's SUPPOSED to be editable.)

the point is very simple, no matter what App you are going to use, you need the physical books+errata to use them, just the App or a printout of the App is not enough, neither for the official one nor for BS

and as soon as I need to have the books anyway to avoid any errors (intended or by mistake) in the list or rules, there is no real point to pay for the official one if the free one is doing the same job
and for an argument on the table it does not matter if it was intended or not, someone claiming that the rules are what is in the App and does not have the book to proof it, your possibilities are limited unless someone else has the book+errata

Togusa wrote:
That app isn't changing? That's the one I currently use and have very, very few issues with.

Alas yea. The old one was pretty good and odds are new one won't be as good but from logistic POV guess it makes sense to not have to upkeep 2 different app's. 1 app with 2 skins and 2 data sets is lot easier.

Just hope GW is being generous enough to keep free warscrolls like old app and doesn't go for 40k style in that too.

tneva82 wrote:

Togusa wrote:
That app isn't changing? That's the one I currently use and have very, very few issues with.

Alas yea. The old one was pretty good and odds are new one won't be as good but from logistic POV guess it makes sense to not have to upkeep 2 different app's. 1 app with 2 skins and 2 data sets is lot easier.

Just hope GW is being generous enough to keep free warscrolls like old app and doesn't go for 40k style in that too.

I guess I am confused.

Currently I use two apps for my games, the AoS app that I've had for a year or so, and the newest 40K app that has a monthly fee. I've heard there is supposedly now going to be two "new" and different apps, and was told that to get access to them you need to be a W+ subscriber. I don't have any interest in anything W+ has to offer, so I am trying to figure out if I should just stick with the two apps I'm using now (Assuming they don't go away) or switch back to doing everything on paper and by hand.

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Togusa wrote:

I guess I am confused.

Currently I use two apps for my games, the AoS app that I've had for a year or so, and the newest 40K app that has a monthly fee. I've heard there is supposedly now going to be two "new" and different apps, and was told that to get access to them you need to be a W+ subscriber. I don't have any interest in anything W+ has to offer, so I am trying to figure out if I should just stick with the two apps I'm using now (Assuming they don't go away) or switch back to doing everything on paper and by hand.

The 40k App stays as it is
The AoS App you have is going away and replaced by a new App (like the 40k App)

WH+ subscription will include both of those Apps

Overall I rather like the 40k app right now. It’s not perfect by any stretch, but its quite useable. My main complaint being a complete lack of Crusade support, offering none of the rules for it nor an option to build lists with Power instead of Points.

And yes, I had someone cheat in tournaments back in the day altering his Army Builder stuff so it would show transports having a point cost but then not including them in the final army value so he was actually a couple hundred points over.

Togusa wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Togusa wrote:
That app isn't changing? That's the one I currently use and have very, very few issues with.

Alas yea. The old one was pretty good and odds are new one won't be as good but from logistic POV guess it makes sense to not have to upkeep 2 different app's. 1 app with 2 skins and 2 data sets is lot easier.

Just hope GW is being generous enough to keep free warscrolls like old app and doesn't go for 40k style in that too.

I guess I am confused.

Currently I use two apps for my games, the AoS app that I've had for a year or so, and the newest 40K app that has a monthly fee. I've heard there is supposedly now going to be two "new" and different apps, and was told that to get access to them you need to be a W+ subscriber. I don't have any interest in anything W+ has to offer, so I am trying to figure out if I should just stick with the two apps I'm using now (Assuming they don't go away) or switch back to doing everything on paper and by hand.

The old app will remain usable for now but unsupported so no new units etc. Guess this is mainly so people can keep using the ebooks they already bought. I would expect it to go away later when new battletomes have come out.

40k app won't go away but if you are W+ subscriber you get app subscription as standard, no need to pay for 40k app separately(you can do that of course if you don't want W+) if you want the army builder + few other perks.

AOS app will likely be same as 40k app. And as with 40k app you don't NEED subscription though no army builder and other perks and quite possibly warscrolls only for battle tomes you have bought like in 40k. Though with luck GW treats AOS differently and maintains free warscrolls in that app.


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 AduroT wrote:
Overall I rather like the 40k app right now. It’s not perfect by any stretch, but its quite useable. My main complaint being a complete lack of Crusade support, offering none of the rules for it nor an option to build lists with Power instead of Points.

It's passable enough. One thing I would like though is rules by FACTION rather than by book. Annoying if you have supplements and we know how much GW loves it's supplements...

Also on my phone there's weird problem with army builder where trying to write name of army list is...hard. Text keeps dissapearing. Could be some weird interaction with my simeji keyboard I use since I need japanese keyboard as well as english. Maybe others dont' have same issue(likely doesn't. One would assume that is sort of bug I would have seen mentioned before if it was common)

Don’t have a problem writing the names of armies, just doing English, but not being able to change the name of an army is one of my annoyances with the app.

Oh I'm writing it in english as well. Just thinking it might be some weird interaction with my english/japanese ime software I use because I very much doubt it's common issue.

The battlescribe alteration conversation is quite funny. Anyone trying that at a tournament runs a massive risk of being caught red handed, as they would have created printed/electronic proof they were cheating.

It would be very easy to prove the cheater had edited stats.

Also, you generally have to upload the composition/points of your list into BCP a week before the tournament and you then run the risk of someone spotting you cheating for the week leading up to the tournament, on the day or for a week afterwards. The better you place in the tournament the more scrutiny your list receieves afterwards as people who play your faction will want to see "what is doing well" in their faction.

EightFoldPath wrote:
The battlescribe alteration conversation is quite funny. Anyone trying that at a tournament runs a massive risk of being caught red handed, as they would have created printed/electronic proof they were cheating.

It would be very easy to prove the cheater had edited stats.

Also, you generally have to upload the composition/points of your list into BCP a week before the tournament and you then run the risk of someone spotting you cheating for the week leading up to the tournament, on the day or for a week afterwards. The better you place in the tournament the more scrutiny your list receieves afterwards as people who play your faction will want to see "what is doing well" in their faction.

It's also a non sequitur, because a person cheating at a tournament has no bearing on whether or not the app works well for individuals to create their own lists. Not like you have to run your list by TJ Lanigan to make sure there's enough cheating before you use it or something.

On that topic: never run into incorrect points on Battlescribe myself. Did find a loophole where it let me put Azrael and an unnamed Chapter Master in the same list without throwing an error though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Exclusive pin badge offered for those upgrading from the 40K App to Warhammer+

Where is this? I can't seem to find it on the app or Warhammer+

I'm a fan of the app in regards to functionality with list building, but I find it annoying that I still have to double check the points due to it not being correct in many instances (really bad with my Deathwatch which is now a year old codex). It doesn't matter too much in friendly play (if points are a few lower or over) but would be an issue at a tournament.

Wondering how long will Loremasters Abaddon will last. 5 minutes? an hour?

I'm guessing around 15-20 minutes.

The Masterclass painting videos are all 15-20 minutes and I am assuming Loremasters will be similar.

I highly doubt it will be less than 10 minutes.

17 minutes. The video is not that different from other lore videos. Obvious there are no speculative elements, wild theories, etc, just a summary of the established fluff, including HH spoilers. So no surprises for anyone who is in the hobby for some time. The production value is very high, though. The use of the official artwork really elates the whole experience. And if you are a veteran, some sections give you a warm a nostalgic feeling. The approriate use of the Battlefleet Gothic cover brought me right back to the 90s.

Unlike the battle reports the first lore master video beats the Youtube competition in my opinion.

The third Blood Angel video is good, too, but I would prefer to see more Hammer & Bolter.

 Vovin wrote:
I would prefer to see more Hammer & Bolter.

They're showing an advance episode at Gencon next week so I expect it'll be on WH+ the week after.

 Vovin wrote:
17 minutes. The video is not that different from other lore videos. Obvious there are no speculative elements, wild theories, etc, just a summary of the established fluff, including HH spoilers. So no surprises for anyone who is in the hobby for some time. The production value is very high, though. The use of the official artwork really elates the whole experience. And if you are a veteran, some sections give you a warm a nostalgic feeling. The approriate use of the Battlefleet Gothic cover brought me right back to the 90s.

Unlike the battle reports the first lore master video beats the Youtube competition in my opinion.

The third Blood Angel video is good, too, but I would prefer to see more Hammer & Bolter.

I must admit I am a quite a bit disappointed - I had actually hoped this would be more of a 'history of the lore' - with interviews about how Abaddon came into being as a character and his interpretations or recreations over the years - basically a documentary series a specific bits of the lore. Wade is an excellent interviewer and this seems like a mistake for him not to interview writers over the years about this (imagine if ADB spoke about reinterpreting Abaddon, Dan Abnett on 'creating' the heresy character, Gav and Andy Chambers and Rick Priestly on 2nd edition; Andy C on BFG; Phil Kelly and his colleagues on the Gathering Storm/Fall of Cadia decisions; Blanche, Mark Gibbons, etc), as well as showing archives of unpublished elements (imagine the sketches for and any alternate designs of his new mini!). Of course that's higher cost (some guests might need to be paid to appear), but it could have been a really unique thing that only GW could do.

Overall, I like it (Wade is great, and the art - oh the art!*), but I had hoped for something utterly different that built on Wade's podcasting - with its reflexive focus on how the things we love came into being - and GW's potential to build on that visually from a 'how is lore made' perspective; this could even have been interspersed with this 'lore video' bit.

* Again on the art, I feel each should have its artist identified! I always get annoyed by how GW does not generally name artists....

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Also I fully agree on more H&B - so far, it's been the highlight of W+ for me (I had hoped it would be Loremasters, but alas....).

They don't name artists in the books, but they do on the Warhammer Art page.

 xttz wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
I would prefer to see more Hammer & Bolter.

They're showing an advance episode at Gencon next week so I expect it'll be on WH+ the week after.

That's great. I can't wait. Thanks.

@PetitionersCity: sounds fantastic. I hope they will add something like that in the future. I loved the interviews with Jes Goodwin. He is such an inspiration.

It's good, yes, but honestly the content put every week is lacking so far. 2 videos this wednesday and no battle report...weak, especially in comparison to youtube channels.

If they keep this pace after one year, I don't think I'll keep my subscription.