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Sarouan wrote:
It's good, yes, but honestly the content put every week is lacking so far. 2 videos this wednesday and no battle report...weak, especially in comparison to youtube channels.

If they keep this pace after one year, I don't think I'll keep my subscription.

If the next limited mini is a Callidus, I might have to think twice about that.

Just to point out, the team who is putting stuff together might still be doing restricted hours. They might only get one BatRep every couple of weeks because GW can't afford to have the whole presenting team isolating if one catches Covid.
As for Lore Masters, Wade got out of hospital from a second collapsed lung about 2 weeks ago. If that's not cause for a phased return to work I don't know what is.
I would also argue a lot of it is fairly new territory. GW has done introductory BatReps before but it's not really the same thing. Painting videos are all well and good but it takes skill and charisma to present something that lasts longer than a couple of minutes. For example, Hang out and Hobby went from 3/4 presenters nearly every night to 2 for what I suspect is a problem of both burnout and what I just mentioned.

For the battle reports, they said each takes 2 days to film and "almost double the time" to edit. So we shouldn't expect more than 1 per week, and if there is a snag somewhere (they mentioned corrupted files and re-shooting) they might skip a week.

 Gert wrote:
Just to point out, the team who is putting stuff together might still be doing restricted hours. They might only get one BatRep every couple of weeks because GW can't afford to have the whole presenting team isolating if one catches Covid.
As for Lore Masters, Wade got out of hospital from a second collapsed lung about 2 weeks ago. If that's not cause for a phased return to work I don't know what is.
I would also argue a lot of it is fairly new territory. GW has done introductory BatReps before but it's not really the same thing. Painting videos are all well and good but it takes skill and charisma to present something that lasts longer than a couple of minutes. For example, Hang out and Hobby went from 3/4 presenters nearly every night to 2 for what I suspect is a problem of both burnout and what I just mentioned.

This. All about us providing constructive feedback too.

Sounds like my fears over the lore videos may have been proven correct. They're a bit of a weird beast because anyone really interested in the lore likely already knows the basic facts of most elements of it. So just regurgitating the current lore on Abaddon, or Tau, or whatever isn't really that appealing.

What I'd love to see is much more along the lines mentioned by an earlier poster where they delve into the creation of the lore, the reasons why a character or race were created, the rejected ideas, the process of refining that part of the background etc. Someone explaining what is already really easy to find elsewhere doesn't represent great value for money to me.

Based on the quality of content and cost I'm definitely going to keep the subscription indefinitely. Going all-in for 12 months was $65.51 means my monthly cost is 5.45 - including taxes.

Where I live a Big Mac is $6.39. So I'd just have to skip eating a Big Mac once a month.

If you cut the cost of the model off the subscription (Megaboss- $40) then really I paid 65.51-40= 25.51 for the subscription. That comes out to $2.12 a month for the content. For just the old White Dwarfs and old Lore for me, that is good enough for the cost.

This is all subjective.

Is nobody else a bit miffed at having paid out for physical copies of White Dwarf which they would now has access to for free? Does this just mean I should stop paying out for the mag cos it will soon be on here for free?

To be fair it's not that great a magazine days anyway, but I guess that's another thread....

It depends with regard to WD.
Eventually, we'll likely see some proper old stuff but that will likely take time, digitising physical documents isn't exactly a simple task.
As for more "recent" issues, if you have them all then not really but it's very easy to miss an issue or have to chuck it for space. I recently had to bin a huge chunk of my WD's because I just didn't have the space anymore.

 Jammer87 wrote:


Where I live a Big Mac is $6.39. .

I honestly find it a smidge worrying that your go to comparison is junk food.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:


Where I live a Big Mac is $6.39. .

I honestly find it a smidge worrying that your go to comparison is junk food.

You understand that the point of the comparison, in all likelihood, is to highlight it versus something many people consider a "small expense", correct?

100%, McDonald's is junk food. It's also cheaper food in many instances. There's a reason why they have stayed in business as long as they have.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:


Where I live a Big Mac is $6.39. .

I honestly find it a smidge worrying that your go to comparison is junk food.

He's really not alone: https://www.economist.com/big-mac-index

Lord Kragan wrote:
I honestly find it a smidge worrying that your go to comparison is junk food.

Usually, people would say "for the price of a cinema ticket" but considering how expensive cinemas actually are in many places it's not a great comparison. Fast food is cheap everywhere and is a better universal comparison.

 Axlbush wrote:
Is nobody else a bit miffed at having paid out for physical copies of White Dwarf which they would now has access to for free? Does this just mean I should stop paying out for the mag cos it will soon be on here for free?

To be fair it's not that great a magazine days anyway, but I guess that's another thread....

Same could be said for those who bought the Warhammer Vision magazines or the campaign books.

There's always someone who didn't, though, and for him it's great.


As for the Warhammer + content...yes, I understand, there may be explanations and such, but there is a way to increase the number of videos : increase the size of the team working on videos (assuming their job is solely working on videos).

So far, I'm really underwhelmed about the number of videos put online per week. Not to say a lot of those videos can be done in advance (they're not especially talking about "hot news" here - the Loremaster about Abaddon is litterally intemporal), and animations can certainly be produced the same way.

If they can't put more than that, it's more saying about a lack of preparation than anything else.

That said, yes, the price paid with the free miniature / access to various stuff / having a voucher worth 2 months makes it good. But talking more about spending actual time watching / listening to videos or going on Warhammer Vault ? It's really a matter of a few days (including Warhammer Vault : if it's just the videos, it's more talking about a single afternoon).

Sarouan wrote:
As for the Warhammer + content...yes, I understand, there may be explanations and such, but there is a way to increase the number of videos : increase the size of the team working on videos (assuming their job is solely working on videos).

Hiring people can take months. The applications for the Warhammer TV Presenter went up in like May and we only saw the new guy in August.

So far, I'm really underwhelmed about the number of videos put online per week. Not to say a lot of those videos can be done in advance (they're not especially talking about "hot news" here - the Loremaster about Abaddon is litterally intemporal), and animations can certainly be produced the same way.

If they can't put more than that, it's more saying about a lack of preparation than anything else.

You do understand that England only had all of its imposed restrictions removed in June.
If you can't go into a studio you can't really record videos, can you? And again, Wade was literally in hospital with a second collapsed lung. Hard to do a lore video when you can't breathe.

Burgernomics. Only you, 'muhricans.

We, mexicanos, paid -43.7% undervalued Big Mac, yet they are effing expensive for us.

 Gert wrote:

You do understand that England only had all of its imposed restrictions removed in June.
If you can't go into a studio you can't really record videos, can you? And again, Wade was literally in hospital with a second collapsed lung. Hard to do a lore video when you can't breathe.

It's not about Wade. I'm fine having Loremaster series later.

It's about the rest. If Wade is unavailable, well grab a few others guys to play the battle reports and have the guys working on editing videos solely on that. Have a guest. Do something else, like a podcast. Make previews. Or reviews. I don't know, stuff worth paying for.

It's not like their twitch channel doesn't exist and is able to put videos three days in a row per week, is it.

They should be releasing more than 2 or 3 videos a week. That's not enough for a service that likes to brag about "tons of content" in their Warhammer Community website when they talk about it.


As for Warhammer Vault...I dunno, put some old White Dwarf or the army books / core rules from Warhammer Fantasy Battle V8. Ah yes I guess it would be competition for their Old World project, I forgot.

 Gert wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
I honestly find it a smidge worrying that your go to comparison is junk food.

Usually, people would say "for the price of a cinema ticket" but considering how expensive cinemas actually are in many places it's not a great comparison. Fast food is cheap everywhere and is a better universal comparison.

I'll pay 2 month　sub with 1 movie ticket.

Pint of beer less in month. Done and healthier

It’s still early days folks.

Whilst I and I suppose Dakka aren’t uninterested in your thoughts (that is why we’re all here, no?), it’s GW that’s driving.

I enjoyed Loremasters this week, but also want more and deeper stuff. It is however the first out the gate.

 Gert wrote:
You do understand that England only had all of its imposed restrictions removed in June.
If you can't go into a studio you can't really record videos, can you?

Very misleading statement. Unless you are talking about June 2020...

Gert wrote:Just to point out, the team who is putting stuff together might still be doing restricted hours. They might only get one BatRep every couple of weeks because GW can't afford to have the whole presenting team isolating if one catches Covid.
As for Lore Masters, Wade got out of hospital from a second collapsed lung about 2 weeks ago. If that's not cause for a phased return to work I don't know what is.
I would also argue a lot of it is fairly new territory. GW has done introductory BatReps before but it's not really the same thing. Painting videos are all well and good but it takes skill and charisma to present something that lasts longer than a couple of minutes. For example, Hang out and Hobby went from 3/4 presenters nearly every night to 2 for what I suspect is a problem of both burnout and what I just mentioned.

I'd say that type of excuses don't really work for a company of GW's size. How much did their revenue increase during the pandemic again? https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2020-21-accounts-full-report-cover.pdf page two of that says it's close to 100 mil with significant profits.

They have the financial power to easily work around that type of issues (without it even being a significant dent in revenue/profits for all the in-house stuff), to be able to hire people if needed, and to prepare more before starting such a service. They should be able to take this at least as serious as some random, somewhat successful, youtubers do. People who consistently put out videos even during the pandemic. Modern video production is not new territory and GW simply has the money to pay for that (or for consultants to help them set things up). This is not 2008 (or even 2010) when youtube actually was fairly new territory or when digital cameras (and studio lighting) were prohibitively expensive for people wanting to try this.

They are not a random kid making their first youtube videos with their iPhone. They have the means to take this seriously and do better. They should be able to get somebody else to cover for somebody who's sick instead of the whole project coming to a halt or slowing down. They should be able to hire more people to produce more/different content in parallel and have a backlog of videos to post. At 350 mil in revenue that type of issues shouldn't be a (big) hurdle if you want to start a serious paid video service.

One issue is that GW might be eating a LOT in increased shipping costs to keep their company working right now. The cost of containers has shot up and some are almost being auctioned off they are getting so hard to find. With GW needing regular deliveries from overseas production (boxes etc...) then they like as not might be spending more of their money there on the core than considering hiring several new presenters for their Warhammer+ system.

In the end Warhammer+ is just one of many projects they have and isn't the most major. Yes its a big thing, but its not their core business nor income.


Also don't forget GW doesn't take on debt to expand, they might well be sitting on a lot of that extra profit with the thought of riding out the current boom in sales and seeing if it lasts medium to long term - enough that they might have to consider further expansion. That being the case having a nice bundle of cash ready to invest is better than having blown it on a video service

His whole point was that doing a proper video service properly should and demonstrably does cost peanuts, ie one quarter of a fraction of a percentage of their net profits for last week.

JWBS wrote:
His whole point was that doing a proper video service properly should and demonstrably does cost peanuts, ie one quarter of a fraction of a percentage of their net profits for last week.

Yeah but it might reduce their weekly net profits for one quarter of a percentage! Think of what the shareholders would say! Oh, the humanity!

JWBS wrote:
His whole point was that doing a proper video service properly should and demonstrably does cost peanuts, ie one quarter of a fraction of a percentage of their net profits for last week.

When you try to pretend like a Youtuber/streamer is the same thing as a "proper video service", you've already played yourself.

 Overread wrote:
One issue is that GW might be eating a LOT in increased shipping costs to keep their company working right now. The cost of containers has shot up and some are almost being auctioned off they are getting so hard to find. With GW needing regular deliveries from overseas production (boxes etc...) then they like as not might be spending more of their money there on the core than considering hiring several new presenters for their Warhammer+ system.

In the end Warhammer+ is just one of many projects they have and isn't the most major. Yes its a big thing, but its not their core business nor income.


Also don't forget GW doesn't take on debt to expand, they might well be sitting on a lot of that extra profit with the thought of riding out the current boom in sales and seeing if it lasts medium to long term - enough that they might have to consider further expansion. That being the case having a nice bundle of cash ready to invest is better than having blown it on a video service

This is a pretty big deal. Now, my personal expectation is that GW is going to pass on those extra costs to the customers. In fact, we might have already seen that in the form of the increased price to get into Kill Team, for example. Two flimsier books for 50 dollars each is a huge jump over the one book that was 40 dollars, but hey, if you consider inflation and the global economy at the moment, it might make a tiny bit more sense.

The big thing for Warhammer+ is if they can actually keep up even this "slow" pace for a full year. We got people saying that it's 'not enough', but honestly when you're getting into content creation, a year's worth of stuff is a huge undertaking. Let's say they "only" manage to put together 1 bat rep, animation, and painting video every 2 weeks. That's 3 videos every 2 weeks, right? That's 78 videos by the end of the year, and it's not considering any extra things like loremasters or whatever else they might pull out of their butts. If they can make it past the first year and have 78-ish videos out, then these conversations of it all seeming 'not worth it' or 'slow' will look pedantic at best, and it'll be a no-brainer, even if you only get 26 painting videos, to pay for the year subscription for the hope of yet another 26 painting videos, on top of the white dwarf info, on top of the model, and whatever else they do.

All YouTube channels and other streaming services look small at the start. Heck, even fresh-faced digital artists look like they don't have a portfolio at the start. That's because it's the start. Give them a couple months and, if they really can keep up the pace, there will be more content than you can sniff through a straw before you know it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:
His whole point was that doing a proper video service properly should and demonstrably does cost peanuts, ie one quarter of a fraction of a percentage of their net profits for last week.

When you try to pretend like a Youtuber/streamer is the same thing as a "proper video service", you've already played yourself.

Wrote a response then realised who I was replying to.

I've been enjoying the content so far. Feel like I'm getting my money's worth.

JWBS wrote:
His whole point was that doing a proper video service properly should and demonstrably does cost peanuts, ie one quarter of a fraction of a percentage of their net profits for last week.

Seeing angels of death episodes costs easily 5 digits unless they somehow get significantly under market rate...that's not peanuts even for gw　size. Gw isn't amazon/netflix sized

In regards to the Lore show they have posted (my comments on the entire thing I previously stated).

I find it meh.. not really interested in looking at that guy's head to much and the content was ok but way to short (tbh I skipped through a lot even if only 17mins... beacuse kept cutting to his head, why the f... do I want to see this guy or anyone just talk?? I want different images if I actually watch, or when going to sleep/paint, I want in depth content and something that goes long enough for me to go to sleep or paint for awhile).

It defiantly was no Luetin09.

I still think worth the money (even if will probably never watch that show again until bored and give it a revisit)

So the Lore video was a talking head for most of it?