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The Vree were pretty cool.

I also remember that Brakiri cruisers just always seemed to explode without doing anything.

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

 Ghaz wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

Well the Balvarin was in the Lost Tales IIRC

 Ghaz wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

Yeah, I think it's very unrealistic to expect them not to be redesigned. I expect they'll still have the same flavor and general asthetics (blue aquatics for the minbari for example) for the various factions though similar to the BSG reboot.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

Well the Balvarin was in the Lost Tales IIRC

That’s the new Centauri ship seen in a vision?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

Well the Balvarin was in the Lost Tales IIRC

That’s the new Centauri ship seen in a vision?

There is the updated Vorchans and there is also the Balvarin carrier in that future vision

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

Well the Balvarin was in the Lost Tales IIRC

That was what, like fifteen years ago? And didn't Agents of Gaming still have an active license at that time? Regardless too much time has passed for the old ships to be anything more than an inspiration for the new ships.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

Well the Balvarin was in the Lost Tales IIRC

That was what, like fifteen years ago? And didn't Agents of Gaming still have an active license at that time? Regardless too much time has passed for the old ships to be anything more than an inspiration for the new ships.

Its was a thing in ACTA (as many ships were) as well who had the licence and also I think JMS mentioned that it was from AOG so he was aware of and happy with their work. Its not beyond realms of possibility that they use some

Urgh...theres that word again; "reboot".

If its going to be too far removed from the original show - like they did with another certain beloved sci-fi show from the late 70s* - then just take the core idea and make an entirely new show based on that, and be done with it. That way it can be given a fair crack of the whip without unnecessary comparisons and appreciated for what it is...and leave the original show's legacy well alone.

That out of the way; a remake of Babylon 5 sounds great! The vfx were a milestone back in the early 90s but imagine what they can accomplish with todays hardware, software and experience! The original show had its share of misfortunes and while it did its best to work around them, its great to be given another chance to go in the direction they originally intended - or maybe something even better still. Maybe the ideas for the spin offs were sound but the execution didn't live up to them, and this could mean another crack at those too.

*B5 wasn't a late 70s show of course, and just pointing out that its is "another certain beloved sci-fi show".

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Regardless of the dated CGI I always loved the ship designs for all the different powers and really hope they dont throw all that out for totally new....

I expect that any use of the B5 Wars ships would be near non-existent

Well the Balvarin was in the Lost Tales IIRC

That was what, like fifteen years ago? And didn't Agents of Gaming still have an active license at that time? Regardless too much time has passed for the old ships to be anything more than an inspiration for the new ships.

Its was a thing in ACTA (as many ships were) as well who had the licence and also I think JMS mentioned that it was from AOG so he was aware of and happy with their work. Its not beyond realms of possibility that they use some

Again, the age of the Agents of Gaming designs are a strike against them. At the most it will be an extensive update that just keeps some similarities to the original (e.g., the updated Enterprise in Discovery).

Personally still waiting for the remake of Blakes 7 as well.....

 Mr Morden wrote:
Personally still waiting for the remake of Blakes 7 as well.....

Blake's 7 is the tits.

I am a bit worried about skipping Sinclair, as that reveal that he was Valen was pretty epic back in the day.

I am optimistic for this remake, although I think the Dilgar may be required as an early antagonist.
Instead of being effectively wiped out they could be a waning empire that never recovered from losing to the Earth Alliance.

Instead of their Sun going supernova, their Sun is on a slow decline and will make their homeworld uninhabitable in x number of years and their colonies do not have the infrastructure to maintain their previous power.

They would be obvious baddies, which could also complicate the Narn vs Cetauri situation. Maybe even another ally for the Shadows or Vorlons?

All of what I'm about to say is internet hearsay; bring the appropriate amount of salt.

Apparently the live-action segments of B5 were filmed in early high-definition. JMS had wanted the show to be in high def, but the digital effects company didn't want to upgrade their own capabilities for it. Understandable, at the time this would have been quite pricy.

So IN THEORY, if all this is true, a literal remake with upgraded high-definition effects but the original live shots should be not just easily done, but fairly cheap to do to boot.

Now having said THAT, it's clear this is not what's going on with this reboot. Just an interesting side-note from internet.

 Vulcan wrote:
All of what I'm about to say is internet hearsay; bring the appropriate amount of salt.

Apparently the live-action segments of B5 were filmed in early high-definition. JMS had wanted the show to be in high def, but the digital effects company didn't want to upgrade their own capabilities for it. Understandable, at the time this would have been quite pricy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5#Mastering_problems


FWIW, the wiki entry does a good job explaining it all.

 StygianBeach wrote:
I am a bit worried about skipping Sinclair, as that reveal that he was Valen was pretty epic back in the day.

It was, but pretty much isn't repeatable for the same reason. Without a 'reveal' to speak of, its a paint by numbers plot rehash.

I am optimistic for this remake, although I think the Dilgar may be required as an early antagonist.
Instead of being effectively wiped out they could be a waning empire that never recovered from losing to the Earth Alliance.

Instead of their Sun going supernova, their Sun is on a slow decline and will make their homeworld uninhabitable in x number of years and their colonies do not have the infrastructure to maintain their previous power.

They would be obvious baddies, which could also complicate the Narn vs Cetauri situation. Maybe even another ally for the Shadows or Vorlons?

Eh. I suppose the Dilgar could be adjusted to be relevant, but the problem is _everyone_ hates them. The Babylon project as a diplomatic station pretty much depends on the clout Earth gained with the League of Non-aligned Worlds from basically saving Space League of Nations from the Space Nazis. Kicking off (again) with Babylon #5 (and the years passing for stations 1-4 to fail) should mean a real lockdown on the threat that brought everyone together in the first place. If they're still a credible threat, it puts Earth's political status on much shakier ground, likely not enough to pull the traditional 'great powers' to a jointly recognized diplomatic venture from the upstart species.

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Also, from the summary bits, it seems likely that Interplanetary Expeditions (the 'questionably evil' space megacorp) is probably going to be the primary 'antagonist organization' prior to the Shadows themselves. We are likely to see more of what drove Morden, Anna Sheridan, and That Other Guy under the Shadow's influence. [Though granted wife number... 2? (the Locksley retcon made things weird) was more captured and enslaved rather than influenced]

Voss wrote:

Eh. I suppose the Dilgar could be adjusted to be relevant, but the problem is _everyone_ hates them. The Babylon project as a diplomatic station pretty much depends on the clout Earth gained with the League of Non-aligned Worlds from basically saving Space League of Nations from the Space Nazis. Kicking off (again) with Babylon #5 (and the years passing for stations 1-4 to fail) should mean a real lockdown on the threat that brought everyone together in the first place. If they're still a credible threat, it puts Earth's political status on much shakier ground, likely not enough to pull the traditional 'great powers' to a jointly recognized diplomatic venture from the upstart species.

That is a good point about Earth not having as much political clout.

However I think you could take the story places similar to what happened to the German Empire after WW1, where you have Dilgar populations in non-Dilgar areas of space. Narn and Centauri forces could join the war late and thus have made a quick world grab. I reckon it could open a huge box of potential self contained story lines that could be told in 45 minutes as an A/B plot, as well as adding to the dynamics of diplomacy.

I hope the reboot gives us some small scales stories that are not in service to the main plot along the way.

Keep the big ship designs close to the originals, but any race that is not as advanced as the Mimbari should have similar fighter designs to the starfuries IMHO.

 StygianBeach wrote:
I am a bit worried about skipping Sinclair, as that reveal that he was Valen was pretty epic back in the day.

I am optimistic for this remake, although I think the Dilgar may be required as an early antagonist.
Instead of being effectively wiped out they could be a waning empire that never recovered from losing to the Earth Alliance.

Instead of their Sun going supernova, their Sun is on a slow decline and will make their homeworld uninhabitable in x number of years and their colonies do not have the infrastructure to maintain their previous power.

They would be obvious baddies, which could also complicate the Narn vs Cetauri situation. Maybe even another ally for the Shadows or Vorlons?

There is a great story on Space Battles which tells the story of the Dilgar War - highly recomended (I even did a pack for ACTA about it with the aid of the author and a model making friend - sadly departed) (it does over do the Nova Class quite abit but its a great character driven story)

Something like that would make a great epic story....the Vorlons, Minbari and the Drakh are also involved.

I'm quietly optimistic about this reboot, though having the original cast appear as anything but a pop up appearance is going to really jarring ( still can't forget Adam Savage in The Expanse ). If the execs leave Joe alone to do his vision we should get a decent show.
All I want is the ships mechanics to be left alone (rotating sections, Starfury engines) and the return of Jack.

 Rolsheen wrote:
( still can't forget Adam Savage in The Expanse )

Huh, I didn’t even notice him at the time. Had to look it up.

 Rolsheen wrote:
All I want is the ships mechanics to be left alone (rotating sections, Starfury engines) and the return of Jack.

...Jack?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
All I want is the ships mechanics to be left alone (rotating sections, Starfury engines) and the return of Jack.

...Jack?

 Hoitash wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
All I want is the ships mechanics to be left alone (rotating sections, Starfury engines) and the return of Jack.

...Jack?

Spoiler:

Guy with a knife, liked to rip people. Got Touched by Vorlons.

Yeah that was a nice opportunity to see more about the Vorlons nature/ methods

Be interesting to see if the Narn keep the T'loth class in the reboot.

In universe it was an older design formed through mix-n-match tech from a number of sources and was rendered obsolete once the G'Quan class came online and lead to a paradigm shift in Narn warship designs that followed through to t he rest of the fleet.

Out of universe it was a last minute creation that was bastarded together from existing assets because something was needed quickly and cheaply, and was never seen again after season 1 because they had time and budget to redo the narn ship assets for future seasons.

Interestingly, this just popped up on my news feed

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=babylon+5&language=en_GB&linkCode=ll2&linkId=0c8bced22eec9f4d9b253baf0a876853&tag=geekgalaxy-21&ref=as_li_ss_tl

Babylon 5, streaming via Amazon, but without Amazon Prime and ad supported.


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This seems to be part of something called "IMDb TV" which, looking through the rest of their range seems to have.... variable quality.

Tarantino and Hitchcock rub shoulders with what appears to be utter, utter dreck.

But hey, it's free!

Yeah, it's owned by amazon and they put stuff up there temporarily. I've never actually measured but it seems like the stuff stays there (at least the things I've noticed) only for a month or couple of months for hot ticket items and then leaves rather than the more typical year to several years. It's free and ad supported. I watched the 1930's Flash Gordon serials on there and the DS9 recent documentary on there right now at least in the US. I didn't do an exhaustive search right now but I don't see b5 in the US (old grainy DVD quality or newer HD upres either) with a cursory search.

 warhead01 wrote:
I really love B5. All I can do is wait and see how this new thing turns out. Being modern TV I will set my expectations to Zero. If I had my way it would be a further continuation of the story and not a reboot but whatever happens happens.
A recasting of Londo will have big boots to fill.

Now that I think about it, I would not necessarily assume they have the same characters.

Pretty sure Straczynski said it's not going to be a simple re-telling, and there's not going to be new Londo or G'Kar?

There probably will be Narn-Centauri conflict, but it will not be G'Kar-Mollari conflict.

I haven't seen anything from him saying there wouldn't be a Londo or G'Kar.

Re-read the tweet, that was my overinterpretation, he just said that he can't continue the same story without the original actors. So yeah, i guess there could be NewKar and nuLondo!