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 JNAProductions wrote:
But d3 damage? That's kinda lame.

Yeah... At least he looks really tough. So now the question is: does he give good buffs ?

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
But d3 damage? That's kinda lame.

Yeah... At least he looks really tough. So now the question is: does he give good buffs ?

Let's not forget that he also does D3 MW on 6s to wound with 8 attacks that will pretty much all hit.

I'm guessing the sword is that profile and the talon must be the other.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Hurrr...Abaddon with 3 per phase...no more character protection?

Phoenix Lords.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
But d3 damage? That's kinda lame.

Yeah... At least he looks really tough. So now the question is: does he give good buffs ?

Let's not forget that he also does D3 MW on 6s to wound with 8 attacks that will pretty much all hit.

I'm guessing the sword is that profile and the talon must be the other.

They're apparently both Drachnyen, according to Clockworkchris over on B&C. It gets a "Pierce" and a "Sweep" profile. No word on the Talon yet.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So if Night Lords want their trait to work they need to load up on: Raptors (makes sense), Daemon Princes and Possessed (in the Legion known for avoiding Chaos worship), and Mutant Culstists and Spawn (in the Legion known to have the least amount of mutations, because of that whole avoiding Chaos worship thing). So once again, gw can't read the fluff in their own codexes. Way to go.

And why can the Warpsmith only buff DAEMON ENGINES, instead of just VEHICLES? Did he forget how normal vehicles work? He can only do "Giant Evil Spiders" and dinobots now?

And only one available loadout for Exalted Champions? Based on an old kit? Good grief, I hope these particular playtest rules failed so hard that they took them out back and burned them.

Posted a correction, disco lord and warpsmit affect vehicules with their +1 to hit.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmm....now I think I can build a real Night Lords Legion trait. I'm thinking, +1 to charge and advance and +1 to strength and movement, add Marks and Icons to taste per unit. Go straight for their throats.

You can also stick with the night lords legion trait and give chosen the custom +1 advance and charge for chosen that have +2 to advance and charge.

EightFoldPath wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Hurrr...Abaddon with 3 per phase...no more character protection?

Phoenix Lords.

Ahh, right. Forgot about those.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So if Night Lords want their trait to work they need to load up on: Raptors (makes sense), Daemon Princes and Possessed (in the Legion known for avoiding Chaos worship), and Mutant Culstists and Spawn (in the Legion known to have the least amount of mutations, because of that whole avoiding Chaos worship thing). So once again, gw can't read the fluff in their own codexes. Way to go.

And why can the Warpsmith only buff DAEMON ENGINES, instead of just VEHICLES? Did he forget how normal vehicles work? He can only do "Giant Evil Spiders" and dinobots now?

And only one available loadout for Exalted Champions? Based on an old kit? Good grief, I hope these particular playtest rules failed so hard that they took them out back and burned them.

Posted a correction, disco lord and warpsmit affect vehicules with their +1 to hit.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmm....now I think I can build a real Night Lords Legion trait. I'm thinking, +1 to charge and advance and +1 to strength and movement, add Marks and Icons to taste per unit. Go straight for their throats.

You can also stick with the night lords legion trait and give chosen the custom +1 advance and charge for chosen that have +2 to advance and charge.

Interesting stuff. Chosen with +2 to advance and charge would be pretty silly.

Now we just need the warlord traits and relics and points values and we'll practically have the whole codex, and then to wait another month or two for the official release.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Posted a correction, disco lord and warpsmit affect vehicules with their +1 to hit.

Yeah, saw that. Groovy. Might have to get/convert one to park behind the Fellblade. Let my Sorcerer go do something else.

You can also stick with the night lords legion trait and give chosen the custom +1 advance and charge for chosen that have +2 to advance and charge.

Erggh....not sure at this point. It depends how they handle the WTs and Relics. I really don't want to give up Killing Fury + Claws of the Black Hunt for my Chaos Lord, but I'm also pretty tired of morale mechanics that don't work on most of the other factions in the game. Even with 3.5 having to pay for Daemonic Visage for my Raptors felt like a waste most of the time. We'll see once we get the rest of the custom traits, especially the Unmarked ones.

Hey, could you possibly clear up Abbaddon's damage for the Black Legion players? Is it D3, or Dd3?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Posted a correction, disco lord and warpsmit affect vehicules with their +1 to hit.

Yeah, saw that. Groovy. Might have to get/convert one to park behind the Fellblade. Let my Sorcerer go do something else.

You can also stick with the night lords legion trait and give chosen the custom +1 advance and charge for chosen that have +2 to advance and charge.

Erggh....not sure at this point. It depends how they handle the WTs and Relics. I really don't want to give up Killing Fury + Claws of the Black Hunt for my Chaos Lord, but I'm also pretty tired of morale mechanics that don't work on most of the other factions in the game. Even with 3.5 having to pay for Daemonic Visage for my Raptors felt like a waste most of the time. We'll see once we get the rest of the custom traits, especially the Unmarked ones.

Hey, could you possibly clear up Abbaddon's damage for the Black Legion players? Is it D3, or Dd3?

Another thing in favor of morale shenanigans, I got info on the nid codex, synapse still lets nids ignore morale, but now its only a 6'' range and it might be an AURA. so really good.

Which codex is the one to use?

One thing that I'm worried about is that the World Eaters will get left in the lurch for a period of time after the CSM codex is released, being left with old models and rules while the rest of CSM move on.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
One thing that I'm worried about is that the World Eaters will get left in the lurch for a period of time after the CSM codex is released, being left with old models and rules while the rest of CSM move on.

In the grand scheme of things, this shouldn't be a very long period of time. I feel for World Eaters players that will just want to play with their Berzerkers in the interim time period, but I can't imagine that World Eaters will have to wait for too long to get their own Codex, new models, and Angron.

Of course, I say that, and some crazy world event will happen that'll delay World Eaters and Emperor's Children to 2047.

I could imagine GW to release WE first and then CSM, or at least announce WE when CSM drop as people will certainly get confused with WE missing in the tome. My biggest fear is that CSM dex was initially sheduled for early 9th Ed and that it was postponed due to logistical reasons. Worst case would be that CSM receive a book that falls out from power creep due to this ,time capsule’ effect. Powerlevel from the current rules looks a bit like that tbh

Btw it is a hellish Nightmare to start WE or CSM now…

drbored wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
One thing that I'm worried about is that the World Eaters will get left in the lurch for a period of time after the CSM codex is released, being left with old models and rules while the rest of CSM move on.

In the grand scheme of things, this shouldn't be a very long period of time. I feel for World Eaters players that will just want to play with their Berzerkers in the interim time period, but I can't imagine that World Eaters will have to wait for too long to get their own Codex, new models, and Angron.

Of course, I say that, and some crazy world event will happen that'll delay World Eaters and Emperor's Children to 2047.

Or World Eaters will get a WD or Warhammer Community supplement until the full codex is ready.

Murder Sword is gone as a relic, I'm legitimately worried that means Chaos Lords won't have access to power swords, or are equipment locked.

2x210 wrote:
Murder Sword is gone as a relic, I'm legitimately worried that means Chaos Lords won't have access to power swords, or are equipment locked.

Given there isn't a generic stock "chaos lord" as such, I can't see them equipment locking it.

Dudeface wrote:

2x210 wrote:
Murder Sword is gone as a relic, I'm legitimately worried that means Chaos Lords won't have access to power swords, or are equipment locked.

Given there isn't a generic stock "chaos lord" as such, I can't see them equipment locking it.

Except there is.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Chaos-Space-Marines-Chaos-Lord-2019

By God, fear it Laurence.

Which means there's a large chance that the 9th ed Chaos Lord will be locked to only Thunder Hammer and Plasma Pistol.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Which means there's a large chance that the 9th ed Chaos Lord will be locked to only Thunder Hammer and Plasma Pistol.

Would that surprise anyone?

Maybe two or three people.

Some more info this morning.

-legions do not get their own spells

-daemonforge strat is still there, now its +1 BS/WS for daemon engines

-dank apostles can give out 4++ instead of 5++

-biker strat, if they advance -1 to hit

So some info and corrections

-transhuman is there but only available to nurgle units

-dank apostle still has a 4++, but no longer has the invul bubble prayer

-No murdersword

-No new daemon engine

CSM get Trans-human Physiology...but is locked to mark of Nurgle. Pain.

Of course Chaos Marines would be the one faction that wouldn't get broad access to Transhuman Phys. Though iirc, it's only Primaris units that get it in the regular Space Marine dex and the firstborn don't get it, so I suppose to a degree it makes sense. But then, with how the balance is going, with how valuable Transhuman Phys. is is a strat, I see a lot of people leaning to Nurgle stuff just for that.

I'm in the camp that would love to see all versions of Transhuman go the way of the dodo, but if you're handing it out to everyone, then hand it out to everyone.

drbored wrote:
Though iirc, it's only Primaris units that get it in the regular Space Marine dex and the firstborn don't get it, so I suppose to a degree it makes sense.

Cadians get a version of transhuman.

Nothing makes sense with that awful strat.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Though iirc, it's only Primaris units that get it in the regular Space Marine dex and the firstborn don't get it, so I suppose to a degree it makes sense.

Cadians get a version of transhuman.

Nothing makes sense with that awful strat.

I take it all back, burn all transhuman strats.

And of COURSE Nurgle gets the best love.

The Murder Sword was always a stupid relic that fulfilled no purpose. I say good riddance.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Though iirc, it's only Primaris units that get it in the regular Space Marine dex and the firstborn don't get it, so I suppose to a degree it makes sense.

Cadians get a version of transhuman.

Nothing makes sense with that awful strat.

They are slowly evolving 40k over to the AoS style of fixed wound rolls

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Which means there's a large chance that the 9th ed Chaos Lord will be locked to only Thunder Hammer and Plasma Pistol.

Would that surprise anyone?

Surprise? No. Absolutely and totally INFURIATE? Yes, yes it would.

Sersi wrote:

Some more info this morning.

-legions do not get their own spells

-daemonforge strat is still there, now its +1 BS/WS for daemon engines

-dank apostles can give out 4++ instead of 5++

-biker strat, if they advance -1 to hit

So some info and corrections

-transhuman is there but only available to nurgle units

-dank apostle still has a 4++, but no longer has the invul bubble prayer

-No murdersword

-No new daemon engine

CSM get Trans-human Physiology...but is locked to mark of Nurgle. Pain.

I'd rather we didn't have that garbage in the first place. I hate those damned stratagems. At least they found the spot to stick it where it will be the least useful.

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Though iirc, it's only Primaris units that get it in the regular Space Marine dex and the firstborn don't get it, so I suppose to a degree it makes sense.

Cadians get a version of transhuman.

Nothing makes sense with that awful strat.

I take it all back, burn all transhuman strats.

Now you're getting it. Now just remove the word "transhuman" and that sentence is perfect.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Now you're getting it. Now just remove the word "transhuman" and that sentence is perfect.

Let it be the end of the age of Stratagems !

I'm kidding, but it's true that things are going out of hand with strats. Like, the -1 to be hit of the bickers when advancing could just as well always be on. And when you look at the jumble of keywords in the leaked Tyranid data sheets I fear for ours...

So, Nurgle marked CSM units can get trash human......but Death Guard can't? That's just plain stupid.

 l0k1 wrote:
So, Nurgle marked CSM units can get trash human......but Death Guard can't? That's just plain stupid.

Only thing consistent about GW's releases and rules designs is how inconsistent they are.

There's lots of people all over the internet suggesting a hundred ways to handle stratagems (or remove them completely) that would help the game. Everything from extreme changes to the game like alternating activations, to small things like trimming the stratagems that each book gets by half. Some suggest getting rid of stratagems and command points entirely and just having a few generic abilities that you can use once per game, or having maybe 6 stratagems that you get to use one of per Battle Round, with no command point generation or anything like that to worry about.

There's the way that AoS does it, where you build up command points over time, but they're still relatively limited, giving you maybe one or two things you can do per turn throughout the game, and the way Kill Team does it where you only have 2-3 command points to work with and only about 6 stratagems to use, some of which affect your whole force, some of which are more situational.

Titanicus, Necromunda, all of these games have 1/4th or even only 1/6th of the number of stratagems that 40k has, and they're so, so, so much easier to get into.

And that's just one area that 9th ed could be improved upon...