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 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
But, at least the model is multi-part "enough" to kitbash together a jump lord with something besides 1 claw + 1 spear, and from a different Legion without breaking out the old hobby knife.

But why would you want to assemble Haarken with an illegal loadout? As a display piece or something? And I'm pretty sure Haarken is from the Black Legion not a different Legion.

I think his point is that Haarken comes with easily removable arms and shoulder pads, the latter of which feature Black Legion iconography. You can purchase Haarken and turn him into a regular jump lord without needing to cut or convert anything. The hammerlord (Mallex) by contrast has no build options and moulded-on Black Legion iconography.

But why would you want build options when Chaos Lords are all armed with thunder hammers and plasma pistols?

Lol

The sad thing is I'm meeting more and more people with this actual mindset. A friend of mine who is a really good minipainter refuses to paint anything that isnt an "official" color scheme and thinks conversions and even kitbashes are and I quote "really weird and ruin the immersion of the game".

He said this after seeing a squad of Raptors I made that had the possessed wing back packs instead of the normal jump packs........

Dudeface wrote:
We have to wait and see if they do.

My God you really just said that, and unironically too!

I believe that Huron will get a new mini, but the Jump Pack Lord is gone.

The only Lord we have is Plas/Hammer. Whatever copium the few of you acting like this isn't the case are huffing, please stop.

Man, these things push me more away from 40K than any imbalances or rules bloat ever could. After having experienced 7th Edition and staying with it I didn't think GW could find a way to make me quit 40K. Grimdark Future/One Page rules looks better every day.

Idk why they just don't do what they do with Custodes, an army with NO generic leader kit. Just say any infantry kit can be a "leader" and give them those options.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The removal of the Jump Lord lends credence to the rumour that Chaos Lords and Sorcerers won't be able to take jump packs in the 9th edition codex, because if gw doesn't make the model, then they don't make the rules. And they're removing the model, because of "Reasons".

Not true. There are rules for heavy plasma cannon, twin heavy flamer, multi melta, twin heavy bolter loyalist dreadnoughts. But there are no such weapons on the sprue, just an assault cannon, a twin-linked lascannon, a powerfist and a missile launcher.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
We have to wait and see if they do.

My God you really just said that, and unironically too!

I believe that Huron will get a new mini, but the Jump Pack Lord is gone.

The only Lord we have is Plas/Hammer. Whatever copium the few of you acting like this isn't the case are huffing, please stop.

Not a case of copium, we have 1 rumour source who mentions jump packs are gone that we can't verify yet, a 3rd edition finecast Raptor Lord who doesn't fit the aesthetic is going which might be a hint might be coincidence. There's no rumour from either source of huron getting a resculpt.

To find out if he does you need to....

Also the other Lord models are not on the oop list, so if it fixed loadout or nothing surely they'd remove those too?

The Night Lords Chaos Lord is still for sale so maybe they will allow a Chaos Lord that takes the Night Lords keyword to exchange his thunder hammer and plasma pistol for a power fist and combi-flamer.

I'm concerned about Noise Marines though. Do we have confirmation that the new codex will have rules for their bodies or will it only have rules for their arms? Might make it difficult to move or hold objectives.

I wonder why World Eater players are the most calm ones around here. They have little to no information at all and peoples armies are at risk of loosing access to several units. Props for that

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
I wonder why World Eater players are the most calm ones around here. They have little to no information at all and peoples armies are at risk of loosing access to several units. Props for that

Hard to be angry about losing stuff when you don't know what you're losing or when. They will also get a good release of new stuff I'd imagine. So it's not a bad situation necessarily.

 p5freak wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The removal of the Jump Lord lends credence to the rumour that Chaos Lords and Sorcerers won't be able to take jump packs in the 9th edition codex, because if gw doesn't make the model, then they don't make the rules. And they're removing the model, because of "Reasons".

Not true. There are rules for heavy plasma cannon, twin heavy flamer, multi melta, twin heavy bolter loyalist dreadnoughts. But there are no such weapons on the sprue, just an assault cannon, a twin-linked lascannon, a powerfist and a missile launcher.

No, not true for Loyalist Scum. You can't assume that any other faction will get the same kind of treatment as loyalists. Just sticking with Dreadnoughts: sure, loyalists Dreadnoughts have kept their "legacy options", but where are the rules for the two Butcher Cannons on the ends of my Chaos Contemptor's arms? They're gone, despite being a legal option since the unit was introduced to the faction in IA13. Why? No official model. Butcher Cannons were a "conversion option", and gw doesn't support those anymore outside of loyalists.

 p5freak wrote:
Not true. There are rules for heavy plasma cannon, twin heavy flamer, multi melta, twin heavy bolter loyalist dreadnoughts. But there are no such weapons on the sprue, just an assault cannon, a twin-linked lascannon, a powerfist and a missile launcher.

Plasma Cannon comes with the Venerable Dreadnought kit and the arms are interchangeable. The Multi-Melta was on the Black Reach Dreadnought and is the only option in the Space Marine Codex that cannot be bought on a model. Twin Heavy Flamers, Flamestorm Cannons, and Twin Heavy Bolters are not options available to the SM Codex Dreadnoughts, and AFAIK the FW Castraferrum profile is gone, as is the Mortis Dreadnought.
Regardless, availability for Space Marines does not, and never has meant, availability for CSM.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
I wonder why World Eater players are the most calm ones around here. They have little to no information at all and peoples armies are at risk of loosing access to several units. Props for that

Its the limbo. World Eaters are effectively in stasis until GW owns up to what they're doing with them. If all the ranged options from the Chaos codex get deleted (for WE) 'cuz Khorne= AXES, melee only yargle bargle flanderization,' I'm already ready to walk away.

I'm still vaguely hoping that GW can walk away from their self-created notion that the followers of chaos are regimented, cookie cutter, one dimensional memes, but signs don't look good.
Its just extra galling for Khorne, because he was the tech/forge master, eager and willing for his followers to use any kind of created weapon to slay and burn.

Dudeface wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
I wonder why World Eater players are the most calm ones around here. They have little to no information at all and peoples armies are at risk of loosing access to several units. Props for that

Hard to be angry about losing stuff when you don't know what you're losing or when. They will also get a good release of new stuff I'd imagine. So it's not a bad situation necessarily.

Right now, it stands to reason you'd at least temporarily lose the whole army. If a new CSM codex launches missing the World Eaters, how would you even build their army? They'd have no legal codex. Unless they get the White Dwarf treatment...

Best case GW releases a pdf supplement like they did for the Marine chapters that got left in limbo after their codexes were culled

More likely is GW releasing a statement telling existing WE players to use their old (current) codex

Most likely is GW saying nothing about the matter at all, and WE players are left in the dark officially until a week before the WE codex goes up for pre-order

Best case is actually the WE codex comes out first, then the general codex follows. Then there isn't any gap at all.

Voss wrote:
Best case is actually the WE codex comes out first, then the general codex follows. Then there isn't any gap at all.

That would be the best way to do it. Whether or not it's how gw actually does it, who knows?

Anyways, new rumours from Clockworkchris over on B&C:

Obliterators: M5, T5, WS/BS 3, 4A, 5W, Ld9, 2+, 5++

Bikers: M14, T5, WS/BS 3, 3A, 3W, Ld9, 3+

He goes on to mention that "Ld9 seems to be a recurring theme for CSM".

Yeah that and some Khorny Rumour engines make me think that we will see this happen first. I assume at the next preview (do we have btw one incoming anytime soon?) we will see a first hint of WE/CSM along the reveal of the new chaos knight sculpt teased. I am also curious if/what ammount of love chaos deamon will get.

Voss wrote:
Best case is actually the WE codex comes out first, then the general codex follows. Then there isn't any gap at all.

That's also true, but I figured that ship has probably already sailed at this point...

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Yeah that and some Khorny Rumour engines make me think that we will see this happen first. I assume at the next preview (do we have btw one incoming anytime soon?) we will see a first hint of WE/CSM along the reveal of the new chaos knight sculpt teased. I am also curious if/what ammount of love chaos deamon will get.

Daemons are a bit of a mystery, their design is very much exactly what 9th ed army building doesn't want to be. They're hard to reward monogod without penalising mixed gods, they're intended to be an easy soup option but that's been slapped as well.

Model wise they're in a strong place though so light release I'd guess.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Voss wrote:
Best case is actually the WE codex comes out first, then the general codex follows. Then there isn't any gap at all.

That's also true, but I figured that ship has probably already sailed at this point...

Out of curiosity, why? I may well have missed it, but I haven't seen anything like a timeline or roadmap lately (I'm actually expecting at least a piece of one during the Adepticon Online Preview Adventure (1 hour only with frequent breaks. We know Chaos is coming, but obviously Nids are next and then... ?
They could slide in several things before they finally get around to the spiky boys.

Voss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Voss wrote:
Best case is actually the WE codex comes out first, then the general codex follows. Then there isn't any gap at all.

That's also true, but I figured that ship has probably already sailed at this point...

Out of curiosity, why? I may well have missed it, but I haven't seen anything like a timeline or roadmap lately (I'm actually expecting at least a piece of one during the Adepticon Online Preview Adventure (1 hour only with frequent breaks. We know Chaos is coming, but obviously Nids are next and then... ?
They could slide in several things before they finally get around to the spiky boys.

IIRC rumours placed CSM codex for April. But I also remember that Chaos knights would come before CSM. But since we're late on original release schedule things are definitely fuzzy (even more so then with usual rumours)

Voss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Voss wrote:
Best case is actually the WE codex comes out first, then the general codex follows. Then there isn't any gap at all.

That's also true, but I figured that ship has probably already sailed at this point...

Out of curiosity, why? I may well have missed it, but I haven't seen anything like a timeline or roadmap lately (I'm actually expecting at least a piece of one during the Adepticon Online Preview Adventure (1 hour only with frequent breaks. We know Chaos is coming, but obviously Nids are next and then... ?
They could slide in several things before they finally get around to the spiky boys.

I just figure with all the leaks in recent months we'd have heard something about WE aside from "they aren't in the CSM codex" if they were being released before it

Not a chance that WE arrive before CSM. They'll probably headline their own war zone (Armageddon?) in the second half of 2022/the first half of 2023.

Siegfriedfr wrote:
The lack of a multipart Chaos Lord cannot go on forever. Obsidius is/was just a temporary bandaid.

I mean, for Space Marines you have like 5 different captains, 15 different lieutenants, versus 1 Chaos Lord.

At this stage, Chaos is being treated like a Xenos faction.

They have been treated this way since 4th.


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 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

2x210 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
They always try to make sure the CSM codex is slightly weaker than the SM codex. Ever since that one time it wasn't and Chaos won the Eye of Terror campaign by mistake.

Can't have the bad guys winning apparently

"But everyone is the bad guy in 40k !"

Nope. There is no good or evil. Only strong and weak.

Were I a WE player I'd be quite happy to not be included in the upcoming CSM book, given what we've learned. Sure maybe the WE book won't be any better but realistically it definitely won't be any worse.

It is amazing how every reveal so far has been like "What? It can't possibly get worse!" and then it manages to get even worse.

 blood reaper wrote:
It is amazing how every reveal so far has been like "What? It can't possibly get worse!" and then it manages to get even worse.

It's almost like an inverse of the nids book, which by contrast feels a very well rounded and constructed book. The rumours kinda feel like the usual "we didn't know what direction to go in sooooo... err..... here's a stab in the dark"

Dudeface wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
It is amazing how every reveal so far has been like "What? It can't possibly get worse!" and then it manages to get even worse.

It's almost like an inverse of the nids book, which by contrast feels a very well rounded and constructed book. The rumours kinda feel like the usual "we didn't know what direction to go in sooooo... err..... here's a stab in the dark"

Gw hasn't known what to do with CSM for going on 15 years. Where's Andy Chambers when we need him?

(Yes, I know he's writing games for other companies, but still. )

2x210 wrote:

Lol

The sad thing is I'm meeting more and more people with this actual mindset. A friend of mine who is a really good minipainter refuses to paint anything that isnt an "official" color scheme and thinks conversions and even kitbashes are and I quote "really weird and ruin the immersion of the game".

He said this after seeing a squad of Raptors I made that had the possessed wing back packs instead of the normal jump packs........

Yikes


In the past we had awesome conversions, etc, even in wd... Now , we got Kits which we need to be happy if they got the full basic equipment.

Nvm options. And if you got old stuff that you converted/ collected together to achieve specific units like AT-chosen , nope can't have that either anymore...

At this point 40k is finally going in a direction where I legitimately feel like "Yep, this is over for me."