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Voss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
You can play 25% Daemons with CSM right now, and could do for the past 15 years.

Thanks Sunny, but everyone else here understood what I meant.

We'll give you 5 to catch up.

He is right though - technically nothing changes except you can't field more than 25% anymore.

Just nope.

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

Not sure why you and Sunny are skipping the important bits. No CP cost (for an additional detachment) and keep legion traits. That's... pretty big.
And as written, you can take more than 25%, but you'll go back to losing your rules.

This has been confirmed to be false. Right now, you lose nothing by putting 1000 points of 8th daemons with your 1000 point 8th CSM. You will lose your legion trait for doing that with 9th CSM.

That Daemon news is bloody fantastic. About time

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Maybe this codex won't be so bad for Word Bearers afterall.

...I must admit I only barely managed to keep a straight face typing that

Nah this will be great for Word Bearers.

Just think, thousands of years of devotion to the Dark Gods and to represent that you get some extra Mortal Wounds during turns 4 and 5 of any game. It's so thematic I can hardly contain my enthusiasm!

At least it's better than Night Lords getting a super conditional +1 to hit with pistols/melee/assault in turns 4-5 of the game!

From turn 3+, Wanton Slaughter: When using a pistol/assault/melee vs below half strength unit or LD 6 and below = +1 to wound

Yeah that's too conditional and too late, but it's a little better than you made it sound. Just a little.

 cole1114 wrote:

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Maybe this codex won't be so bad for Word Bearers afterall.

...I must admit I only barely managed to keep a straight face typing that

Nah this will be great for Word Bearers.

Just think, thousands of years of devotion to the Dark Gods and to represent that you get some extra Mortal Wounds during turns 4 and 5 of any game. It's so thematic I can hardly contain my enthusiasm!

At least it's better than Night Lords getting a super conditional +1 to hit with pistols/melee/assault in turns 4-5 of the game!

From turn 3+, Wanton Slaughter: When using a pistol/assault/melee vs below half strength unit or LD 6 and below = +1 to wound

Yeah that's too conditional and too late, but it's a little better than you made it sound. Just a little.

Ahh, I thought it was turn 4 and onward. The other benefit they get is +1 to advance and charge, and then their -2 leadership and +1 CA aura, but honestly, I'd rather just do the 'make your own warband' rules and pick the +1 to advance and charge and then the +1 movement and strength. Makes my guys faster and overall stronger, so base chaos marines are str 5, which is already like getting +1 to wound against t4 and t8 targets.

drbored wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Maybe this codex won't be so bad for Word Bearers afterall.

...I must admit I only barely managed to keep a straight face typing that

Nah this will be great for Word Bearers.

Just think, thousands of years of devotion to the Dark Gods and to represent that you get some extra Mortal Wounds during turns 4 and 5 of any game. It's so thematic I can hardly contain my enthusiasm!

At least it's better than Night Lords getting a super conditional +1 to hit with pistols/melee/assault in turns 4-5 of the game!

From turn 3+, Wanton Slaughter: When using a pistol/assault/melee vs below half strength unit or LD 6 and below = +1 to wound

Yeah that's too conditional and too late, but it's a little better than you made it sound. Just a little.

Ahh, I thought it was turn 4 and onward. The other benefit they get is +1 to advance and charge, and then their -2 leadership and +1 CA aura, but honestly, I'd rather just do the 'make your own warband' rules and pick the +1 to advance and charge and then the +1 movement and strength. Makes my guys faster and overall stronger, so base chaos marines are str 5, which is already like getting +1 to wound against t4 and t8 targets.

Yeah, definitely going with custom traits for my guys. That "Unmarked" trait that gives everything fallback + charge/shoot? That'll be like Night Lords in 3.5, except instead of just my Raptors having Hit and Run, it'll be my whole army. With We Have Come for You and Warp Talons new no fallback ability, nobody will be running from my guys unless I let them, but my guys can run all they want.

Where's everyone finding the full leaks?

 JNAProductions wrote:
Where's everyone finding the full leaks?

We aren't (or at least nobody seems to be). We're still going off of what has been leaked from Clockworkchris. Yeah, it's from old playtest rules, but it's all we've got for now.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Where's everyone finding the full leaks?

We aren't (or at least nobody seems to be). We're still going off of what has been leaked from Clockworkchris. Yeah, it's from old playtest rules, but it's all we've got for now.

Ah, okay. Thank you.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Where's everyone finding the full leaks?

We aren't (or at least nobody seems to be). We're still going off of what has been leaked from Clockworkchris. Yeah, it's from old playtest rules, but it's all we've got for now.

I'm sitting on a box of Terminators, two boxes of Raptors, two boxes of Helbrutes, my Chosen and Warpsmith just waiting for the Codex to come out so I can start building.

As much as I trust all the leaks, we still will need points values and the full idea of traits, strats, and relics and warlord traits to figure it all out and put these things together.

drbored wrote:
Ahh, I thought it was turn 4 and onward. The other benefit they get is +1 to advance and charge, and then their -2 leadership and +1 CA aura, but honestly, I'd rather just do the 'make your own warband' rules and pick the +1 to advance and charge and then the +1 movement and strength. Makes my guys faster and overall stronger, so base chaos marines are str 5, which is already like getting +1 to wound against t4 and t8 targets.

Considering how abjectly useless morale is in 40k, agreed. I'll probably just run them that way with friends since I don't play competitive anyway.

drbored wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Where's everyone finding the full leaks?

We aren't (or at least nobody seems to be). We're still going off of what has been leaked from Clockworkchris. Yeah, it's from old playtest rules, but it's all we've got for now.

I'm sitting on a box of Terminators, two boxes of Raptors, two boxes of Helbrutes, my Chosen and Warpsmith just waiting for the Codex to come out so I can start building.

As much as I trust all the leaks, we still will need points values and the full idea of traits, strats, and relics and warlord traits to figure it all out and put these things together.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anyone building or purchasing anything based off of these leaks. There's still too much that we don't know, including whether or not any of this has changed since it was originally playtested. We're still fairly in the dark.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

drbored wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Where's everyone finding the full leaks?

We aren't (or at least nobody seems to be). We're still going off of what has been leaked from Clockworkchris. Yeah, it's from old playtest rules, but it's all we've got for now.

I'm sitting on a box of Terminators, two boxes of Raptors, two boxes of Helbrutes, my Chosen and Warpsmith just waiting for the Codex to come out so I can start building.

As much as I trust all the leaks, we still will need points values and the full idea of traits, strats, and relics and warlord traits to figure it all out and put these things together.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anyone building or purchasing anything based off of these leaks. There's still too much that we don't know, including whether or not any of this has changed since it was originally playtested. We're still fairly in the dark.

Yeah. Even if you want to pick up a basic Chaos Space Marine box. You'd rather wait for the rebox with the new "Legionnaire" upgrade sprue.

That rebox going to come with a price increase though?

Here it would get a price increase regardless of new content, but yes, with the extra sprue it'll get a new and "improved" price.

Chris has confirmed in the B&C thread that the rule for daemons is in the upcoming daemon codex, so will be appropriate for Tsons and DG as well.

Dudeface wrote:
Chris has confirmed in the B&C thread that the rule for daemons is in the upcoming daemon codex, so will be appropriate for Tsons and DG as well.

If it is in the Daemons book, then presumably it isn't in the new CSM book, so it'll be a little while before it kicks in?

What upcoming Daemons Codex?

I mean even for Guard we're seen some glimpse of what they might get. Daemons are a no show.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What upcoming Daemons Codex?

I mean even for Guard we're seen some glimpse of what they might get. Daemons are a no show.

Well, there'll be one and the list of other possible releases is getting really short. It'll be a book/book +1 model release as a guess, I'd imagine November/December to coincide with slaves to darkness.

I wouldn't bet on daemons before January. This year still has Chaos Marines, Squats, Space Marines 2, Horus Heresy (lots of it), and a bunch of AoS releases.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I wouldn't bet on daemons before January. This year still has Chaos Marines, Squats, Space Marines 2, Horus Heresy (lots of it), and a bunch of AoS releases.

I think they'll drop more than 3 codex in 7 months though.

Dudeface wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I wouldn't bet on daemons before January. This year still has Chaos Marines, Squats, Space Marines 2, Horus Heresy (lots of it), and a bunch of AoS releases.

I think they'll drop more than 3 codex in 7 months though.

Well, yeah but we're currently riding the Knights hype train, so that kills at least a couple weeks, and they generally don't have big releases in December. So that is really more like 5 months.

I bet Horus Heresy gets a full 6 weeks of attention at least.

Dudeface wrote:
Chris has confirmed in the B&C thread that the rule for daemons is in the upcoming daemon codex, so will be appropriate for Tsons and DG as well.

Didn’t he say it was in the Knights codex?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Here it would get a price increase regardless of new content, but yes, with the extra sprue it'll get a new and "improved" price.

Wait, extra sprue? What has happened? I'm noob

Garrac wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Here it would get a price increase regardless of new content, but yes, with the extra sprue it'll get a new and "improved" price.

Wait, extra sprue? What has happened? I'm noob

The Kill Team one.

 cuda1179 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I wouldn't bet on daemons before January. This year still has Chaos Marines, Squats, Space Marines 2, Horus Heresy (lots of it), and a bunch of AoS releases.

I think they'll drop more than 3 codex in 7 months though.

Well, yeah but we're currently riding the Knights hype train, so that kills at least a couple weeks, and they generally don't have big releases in December. So that is really more like 5 months.

I bet Horus Heresy gets a full 6 weeks of attention at least.

Well there's 9 aos books still to come this year. 3 codex would feel weird with that.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Garrac wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Here it would get a price increase regardless of new content, but yes, with the extra sprue it'll get a new and "improved" price.

Wait, extra sprue? What has happened? I'm noob

The Kill Team one.

Wait, wait, they updated a whole core unit from the army with a sprue from one of the boxed games? wtf

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Chris has confirmed in the B&C thread that the rule for daemons is in the upcoming daemon codex, so will be appropriate for Tsons and DG as well.

Didn’t he say it was in the Knights codex?

Copied it over for clarity, assuming he doesn't want to post here any more after he got met with too much skepticism and demands of proof etc.

Clockworkchris, on 10 May 2022 - 11:58 PM, said:

Putrid Choir, on 10 May 2022 - 8:21 PM, said:

I really hope the Daemon rules (about bringing up to 25%) is in the chaos daemons codex and not the chaos space marines codex, otherwise TS and DG won't get it.

Chaos daemons, like the rule for chaos knights is in the knights codex

So assume they will get an agent's of chaos rule when they meet certain criteria

Garrac wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Garrac wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Here it would get a price increase regardless of new content, but yes, with the extra sprue it'll get a new and "improved" price.

Wait, extra sprue? What has happened? I'm noob

The Kill Team one.

Wait, wait, they updated a whole core unit from the army with a sprue from one of the boxed games? wtf

Yes.

Interesting.

I mean, simply put, Chaos Daemons and Astra Militarum are the only two codexes left after Chaos Marines that need to be updated.

We are highly likely to get World Eaters and Leagues of Votann before then as well and...

Dare I say...

Dark Mechanicum...?

There's two rumor engines that nobody has been able to place, the thunder hammer one, and the claw with flamer one. GW have also started to post artwork for Dark Mechanicum, seemingly out of nowhere. I wonder if we may yet see them get some sort of update in the relatively near future?


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Instruction booklet for Terminators. Shows the updated statline (increased wounds and attacks) and the various weapon profiles.

Note that the chain fist and power fist are separate (as they were rumored) but the only other melee weapon shown is the power sword, which has the same profile as the accursed weapon is rumored to be.