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chaos0xomega wrote: They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.
Doubtful since the timing of the leak would mean the codex would have already gone to print.
We never (to my knowledge) had a description of what the new bikers looked like, nor was there ever a statement that there were images of the new bikers in the codex, etc. Also the source for the new biker minis in the big rumordump is different from clockworkchris/ok_entrepreneur/codex content. Its entirely possible that the rumordump source was aware of details of model production, but not codex data (which makes sense since for the most part that source did not offer details about rules content, just minis, with the sole exception of some vague details about Black Templar rules).
As for the codex rumors themselves, hasn't it been said on multiple occasions that the info in the book was from an early playtest draft and was subject to change? That alone would imply that the publication status of the codex with regards to leak timing is irrelevant.
The VERY ACCURATE rumor dump clearly said new bikes. Even without a description of what they'd look like that's hard to misinterpret.
Maybe, those were for World Eaters? Or were getting a second "biker squad"?
Or maybe it's for HH since those bikes are in resin and could stand a plastic update.
chaos0xomega wrote: They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.
Doubtful since the timing of the leak would mean the codex would have already gone to print.
We never (to my knowledge) had a description of what the new bikers looked like, nor was there ever a statement that there were images of the new bikers in the codex, etc. Also the source for the new biker minis in the big rumordump is different from clockworkchris/ok_entrepreneur/codex content. Its entirely possible that the rumordump source was aware of details of model production, but not codex data (which makes sense since for the most part that source did not offer details about rules content, just minis, with the sole exception of some vague details about Black Templar rules).
As for the codex rumors themselves, hasn't it been said on multiple occasions that the info in the book was from an early playtest draft and was subject to change? That alone would imply that the publication status of the codex with regards to leak timing is irrelevant.
The VERY ACCURATE rumor dump clearly said new bikes. Even without a description of what they'd look like that's hard to misinterpret.
Yes. Which doesn't preclude the fact that new bikes are coming, just not with the codex. The same VERY ACCURATE rumor dump also said that chaos would come before aeldari and knights, and yet...
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
I don't think that the big rumordump mentioned any HH units, did it?
Anyways, we now have 4 kits (Raptors, Terminators, Cultist Warband, and Bikers) that have been reboxed with new rules and are out in the wild and available to purchase. So, does this mean that the codex is soon? Or that it was supposed to be, and has been delayed, for some reason?
Gadzilla666 wrote: I don't think that the big rumordump mentioned any HH units, did it?
Anyways, we now have 4 kits (Raptors, Terminators, Cultist Warband, and Bikers) that have been reboxed with new rules and are out in the wild and available to purchase. So, does this mean that the codex is soon? Or that it was supposed to be, and has been delayed, for some reason?
It seems fairly evident that it was intended to come out either end of last year or early this year, they drummed up the year of chaos in November, they ran previews for the new chaos stuff in the boxset in December and haven't so much as hinted at releasing the units individually yet.
The wave in January sticks out like a spre thumb at this point and I imagine they were meant to form a new release sandwich near Christmas with chaos and eldar, but due to the release scheduling issues couldn't fit them both in.
I thinknit was the eldar calendar leaker who said they thought it might be a dual release.
chaos0xomega wrote: They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.
Doubtful since the timing of the leak would mean the codex would have already gone to print.
We never (to my knowledge) had a description of what the new bikers looked like, nor was there ever a statement that there were images of the new bikers in the codex, etc. Also the source for the new biker minis in the big rumordump is different from clockworkchris/ok_entrepreneur/codex content. Its entirely possible that the rumordump source was aware of details of model production, but not codex data (which makes sense since for the most part that source did not offer details about rules content, just minis, with the sole exception of some vague details about Black Templar rules).
As for the codex rumors themselves, hasn't it been said on multiple occasions that the info in the book was from an early playtest draft and was subject to change? That alone would imply that the publication status of the codex with regards to leak timing is irrelevant.
The VERY ACCURATE rumor dump clearly said new bikes. Even without a description of what they'd look like that's hard to misinterpret.
Yes. Which doesn't preclude the fact that new bikes are coming, just not with the codex. The same VERY ACCURATE rumor dump also said that chaos would come before aeldari and knights, and yet...
No it didn’t. It said Tau in January, and then ‘in no as-of-yet defined order’, CSM, Knights and Eldar.
I'd say 'at least bikers didn't get cut' but with what the kit looks like and what they've been reduced to, I'm actually thinking that would have been better. As opposed to leaving them there as not-really-a-unit that salts the wound with its presence.
Rydria wrote: I thought bikers had a sprue that let you mount plasma and flamers on the bike itself ?
Spoiler:
Those were metal add-ons, not a sprue. They were only in the original version of the box before going Direct Only and then discontinued.
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tneva82 wrote: Combt patrols don't introduce new kits so far
Combat Patrol Orks had the new Deffkoptas, Warboss, and Ork Boyz.
I can't recall 100% if the Aeldari Guardians were available the same week as the Combat Patrol with them.
Marines (but not the KT sprue), Havocs, Dread, Apostle (and friends)
The May announcement of the CP is one of the reasons I'm baffled that the codex isn't on the horizon yet.
Ah yes I thought there had been something announced, not a chaos fan so hadn't registered it. Seems odd then with the reliable rumour list featuring them- maybe they'll come as World Eaters.
Gadzilla666 wrote: I don't think that the big rumordump mentioned any HH units, did it?
Anyways, we now have 4 kits (Raptors, Terminators, Cultist Warband, and Bikers) that have been reboxed with new rules and are out in the wild and available to purchase. So, does this mean that the codex is soon? Or that it was supposed to be, and has been delayed, for some reason?
It seems fairly evident that it was intended to come out either end of last year or early this year, they drummed up the year of chaos in November, they ran previews for the new chaos stuff in the boxset in December and haven't so much as hinted at releasing the units individually yet.
The wave in January sticks out like a spre thumb at this point and I imagine they were meant to form a new release sandwich near Christmas with chaos and eldar, but due to the release scheduling issues couldn't fit them both in.
I thinknit was the eldar calendar leaker who said they thought it might be a dual release.
I don't think that the models in the Chaos vs Eldar box were ever intended to be part of the main CSM codex release. Remember, all of the rules for those models included in the box were 8th edition rules. Those rules would have been printed ahead of time. So, I don't think it was ever meant to line up with the full release.
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silverstu wrote: Well there's no Chaos Marine combat patrol - new bikes could be in a new Combat patrol box?
Marines (but not the KT sprue), Havocs, Dread, Apostle (and friends)
The May announcement of the CP is one of the reasons I'm baffled that the codex isn't on the horizon yet.
So, possibly they've had production/distribution problems? Maybe CSM were intended to be before HH, but they missed their release window, and don't want to take focus off of the big HH release with CSM?
Gadzilla666 wrote: Erm. Chaos Bikers build instructions leaked. This is weird, because they're the same models, which makes this the first time that I'm aware of that the big model leak was wrong, and the rules don't match up with what was leaked by ClockworkChris:
Gadzilla666 wrote: Erm. Chaos Bikers build instructions leaked. This is weird, because they're the same models, which makes this the first time that I'm aware of that the big model leak was wrong, and the rules don't match up with what was leaked by ClockworkChris:
It matches the boxed contents. There’s a chance the codex will still allow upgrade options, but that seems unlikely. This codex, aside from new kits, is looking pretty lame. Much remains to be seen but no model = no rules is not helping this army out. Lost almost all our options for gun upgrades, it seems like. Far fewer in a list, and not much to replace them with but boltguns.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: But if they arrive with World Eaters, wouldn't they be "World Eater Bikers*"?
*Or "Slickblood Speedslashers" or whatever they end up being called.
Skullgrind Roadragers, of course.
I wonder if GW is holding bikes back for World Eaters but when they do release, they have a basic bike sprue and a specific sprue for both World Eaters and generic Chaos Marines, and for some reason releasing the generic box now would somehow give away their game and they'd rather wait until they're ready to show World Eater models.
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Gadzilla666 wrote: Erm. Chaos Bikers build instructions leaked. This is weird, because they're the same models, which makes this the first time that I'm aware of that the big model leak was wrong, and the rules don't match up with what was leaked by ClockworkChris:
Perhaps there are "Primaris" bikes in addition to the old ones?
Why in the world would bikes get an 'upgraded' version? Let alone a 'primaris' equivalent that didn't happen for the rest of the army?
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A WE unit seems much more likely
Not "primaris", but giving CSM a "+1" version of another unit wouldn't be something new. Chosen are basically "CSM +1", and Warp Talons are "Raptors +1", essentially.
Yeah, that's the kind of thing that I was thinking about. In the same way that Warp Talons are "Daemonic Raptors". Possibly melded to their bikes? Or, perchance to wonder, melded to HH pattern jet-bikes? Would you imagine the salt from loyalists?
CSM fans deserve that salt from loyalist fanbois tbh. They should do it just as an apology for all the crap CSM players have had to deal with since the 3.5 codex.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Obviously they're saving bikes for the Emperor's Children release, which will debut in a boxset with Doomrider. Maybe against white scars or speed freakz.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote: It matches the boxed contents. There’s a chance the codex will still allow upgrade options, but that seems unlikely. This codex, aside from new kits, is looking pretty lame. Much remains to be seen but no model = no rules is not helping this army out. Lost almost all our options for gun upgrades, it seems like. Far fewer in a list, and not much to replace them with but boltguns.
Yeah despite awesome new art and some cool cultists and model reworks (Prince/Possesed) there is little to nothing to look forward.
-Limited weapon options basically kill the old charm of optimising units through equipment
-Limiting CC Weapons to Accursed Weapons and leaving them as is takes away a lot of flexibility as well
-Playtest Leaks show that many rules have not been properly reworked but instead just translated. This is really a shame considering how almost all other 9th Ed books were really doing heavy reworks to distinguish the faction from 8th Ed rules. This hurts especially when viewing it in context of the recent aeldari rework.
-The rumoured Chaos doctrine approach would be simply a copy and adjust from loyalists. This again would really solidify the feel of GWdevs simply not caring about CSM. Make them like marines but with spikes and slightly altered rules
-New book already puts the faction in a bad spotlight regarding the meta. I see little to no real answers to vehicles. We can tickle the enemy to death with S5 -3 D1 attacks but in the end we will struggle to destroy a rhino or to finish that 5 man squad of primaris. Considering how everything became more killy this edition this agains leaves a very sour taste.
-WE players are in a bad spot as they propably will loose access to half their army. Once again some bad feels here.
It feels like the book was planned and balanced to come along the SM and Necron book and was delayed for some reason. As the 3-4th book of the edition it would be nuts and no one would complain to see a copy of the cool new marines doctrine we already know. Right now it feels rather like a slight insult, that for one of the last codexes they didn’t come up with something better than just a copy of an existing rule…in worse.
I also had the weird thought that they maybe just scrapped the cool ideas for the 10th Ed Codex which may come next year as some folks believe. Instead of wasting good new ideas they just reheat old stuff. Why bother doing creative work twice, huh?
GW releases for Chaos Factions were a mess in the recent past anyway. Releasing a 8th Ed Codex 2.0 because of so mich bloat, just to drop and invalidate a lot of it with a new edition and a gakload of campaign books later, was really a dickmove. I really feel like a repetition is incoming. They did btw similar to Slaves to Darkness in AOS, too. Released their first proper army book with rules that lacked any depths, only to release a lot of additions in a campaign 1 month later. The book was awfully off between fluff and rules, too.
It just seems GW has no designers with a spark of passion for Chaos.
