Chaos Space Marine codex rumours and news.

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**blood reaper**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
Chosen are bizarre - what purpose do they offer compared to Terminators? Is that second Plasma Gun really gonna give them the edge? Are people still trying to claim that GW stripping the units options good?

Clearly they don't intend for you to compare the two. You're just supposed to purchase the one that appeals to you more based on the box cover or the blurb you read on the webstore, assemble them however strikes your fancy (while closely following the printed instructions included in the box of course), then look up the corresponding rules in the codex so you can field them in your games!

Damn - sounds like GW are literally incapable of writing even vaguely decent rules and have no idea how to balance things, organise armies, or give purpose to units.

Remember how someone in the threat at one point suggested GW were going to improve Chosen by taking all their options away?

It is impressive how bad a job GW did with this codex.

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Sim-Life wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
Anyone claiming these new changes are gonna make the game easier for new players has to have some kind of dementia. Some of this stuff is incomprehensible.

For example - the Terminator datasheet. Lightning Claws? Nope - accursed weapon. Well, at least you can build what's in the bo-NOPE! You can't mix accursed weapons and power fists (power fists are accursed weapons on other datasheets btw).

There's other weird changes too. Noise Marines can't take a second Blastmaster anymore - why? Raptors can't have lightning claws (I'm sure a GW defender can explain this is good because some WAAC player won a game using it and then killed their entire family). Other units are clearly not going to be legal in the future (ala, bikers).

Chosen are bizarre - what purpose do they offer compared to Terminators? Is that second Plasma Gun really gonna give them the edge? Are people still trying to claim that GW stripping the units options good?

Can we discuss Abaddon's weird "Strength equal to or at least double the Toughness" rule? So it only applies to EXACTLY S6 attacks or S12 and above? Why does it not work on S7/8/9/10/11 attacks? Am I drastically misreading it?

Nope, that is exactly how it works.

**EviscerationPlague**

My guess is they meant it as "strength equal to or up to at least double", but with GW who fething knows.

**Scottywan82**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
Chosen are bizarre - what purpose do they offer compared to Terminators? Is that second Plasma Gun really gonna give them the edge? Are people still trying to claim that GW stripping the units options good?

Clearly they don't intend for you to compare the two. You're just supposed to purchase the one that appeals to you more based on the box cover or the blurb you read on the webstore, assemble them however strikes your fancy (while closely following the printed instructions included in the box of course), then look up the corresponding rules in the codex so you can field them in your games!

That is depressingly realistic.

**gigasnail**

GW is being all super helpful and saving me a lot of money between this and CA.

**bullyboy**

I’m going to get the codex because I want the crusade material, and that my Iron Warriors are really bog standard chaos…. A couple vindicators, daemon engines, oblits, marines, cultists etc. nothing fancy.
I just can’t believe that this is the end result of waiting for 2 years. Luckily I am limited to just the codex, will not need any more actual models to do what I want to do.

**cuda1179**

GW gave us a giant pile of dog feces. However, they were close to getting some things right.

I actually would have liked the idea of accursed weapons as a generic chaos warped close combat weapon. However, making tons of obvious weapons be accursed screwed the pooch. Lightning claws, power fists, etc should still be an option. This is terribly bad with claws on havoc champs and power fists for chosen. Fix that issue and 90% of the bitching about this book would go away.

**EviscerationPlague**

bullyboy wrote:
I’m going to get the codex because I want the crusade material, and that my Iron Warriors are really bog standard chaos…. A couple vindicators, daemon engines, oblits, marines, cultists etc. nothing fancy.
I just can’t believe that this is the end result of waiting for 2 years. Luckily I am limited to just the codex, will not need any more actual models to do what I want to do.

Then......don't buy it. You're encouraging their behavior.

**Marshal Loss**

Mixed bag. Think I'll sit this one out and continue waiting for a Codex: Emperor's Children

**charles_the_dead_lizzard**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
My guess is they meant it as "strength equal to or up to at least double", but with GW who fething knows.

The rule says basically: cannot be wounded at 4+ or 2+.

S=T wounds on 5+
S>=2xT wounds on 3+

Which is quite a solid buff for Legionaries as with T4 you get the most benefit against S8+ and S4 weapons like boltguns. T5 Units also benefit from this against the lots of S5 weapons we have currently around. One might argue that the Tzeentch buff is better overall thou.

I see some potential here and there for the book, yet I am afraid GW will invalidate it within mere days

**BorderCountess**

Sersi wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Where are people finding the leaked photos?

4chan

Ugh. Anybody got a link that doesn't involve going to the internet's cesspit?

**ClockworkZion**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Sersi wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Where are people finding the leaked photos?

4chan

Ugh. Anybody got a link that doesn't involve going to the internet's cesspit?

r/Chaos40k has a crosspost from r/Warhammer40k

**Wha-Mu-077**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Sersi wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Where are people finding the leaked photos?

4chan

Ugh. Anybody got a link that doesn't involve going to the internet's cesspit?

But you're already here?

**nagash42**

Can't wait to pick up all the ebay marines and continue to enjoy my crusade games with my buddies.

**chaos45**

Hmm so chaos chosen cant take a Power fist anymore...odd as even the old mono-pose chosen kit had at least one with the power fist....

Also odd that any legion sgt can take a power fist but the elite squad cannot....pretty stupid all in all and piss poor rules writing.

**false_kharis**

chaos45 wrote:
Hmm so chaos chosen cant take a Power fist anymore...odd as even the old mono-pose chosen kit had at least one with the power fist....

Also odd that any legion sgt can take a power fist but the elite squad cannot....pretty stupid all in all and piss poor rules writing.

welcome to 9th ed 40k, nothing makes since

**ArcaneHorror**

I know I'm late, but I just now noticed that Possessed don't have core. Now that is something that bums me out, and just doesn't make sense.

**Tallarn Commander**

As ya'll have noted, the new dex is quite crappy. I've been playing Chaos Marines for 20 years now. So phoned in CSM codexes are nothing new.

CSM/Legionaires as a Troop Choice
Since I'm a glutton for punishment I like to bring 2 to 3 squads of 10 CSM (yes they are currently quite bad). I'm curious whether "Legionaires" will now be at least decent. In particular it looks like heavy chainaxes, powerfists, Mark of Khorne, and Icon of Khorne will change them from a bad unit to a mediocre unit.

Win Rate
My CSM won 17% of my games back in 8th Edition. My CSM have won 26% of their games in 9th edition. I'm a casual World Eaters/Night Lords player in a competitive meta. I wonder how the new Codex will affect my win rate?

"Burn, Maim, kill."
"Ave Dominus Nox"

**Gadzilla666**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
I know I'm late, but I just now noticed that Possessed don't have core. Now that is something that bums me out, and just doesn't make sense.

No, it doesn't. And it begs the question: has anyone seen the rules for what can have Marks yet? Because the playtest rules said that only CORE can have Marks. But Possessed can have Icons. So are Possessed stuck with the Icon of Chaos Undivided, since they can't have the Mark of Nurgle, Khorne, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch?

Now that would just make this all the stupider.

**drbored**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
I know I'm late, but I just now noticed that Possessed don't have core. Now that is something that bums me out, and just doesn't make sense.

No, it doesn't. And it begs the question: has anyone seen the rules for what can have Marks yet? Because the playtest rules said that only CORE can have Marks. But Possessed can have Icons. So are Possessed stuck with the Icon of Chaos Undivided, since they can't have the Mark of Nurgle, Khorne, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch?

Now that would just make this all the stupider.

I thought it was Core and Daemonkin could have marks.

I'll buy the possessed regardless because they're amazing rules, but I don't see myself getting a single game of 40k in with this faction until the next codex, and who knows when that'll be.

Been praying for a decent shake for Chaos Marines ever since 5th edition and it just isn't happening, yet I keep hoping, for I have nothing if I don't have hope at least.

**H.B.M.C.**

So now Death Guard and Thousand Sons have different Possessed to regular Chaos, right?

**chaos0xomega**

Thousand Sons don't have possessed at all, so no. Death Guard though are a different story.

The proud tradition of the chaos space marine codex being completely shafted continues.

**deffrekka**

drbored wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
I know I'm late, but I just now noticed that Possessed don't have core. Now that is something that bums me out, and just doesn't make sense.

No, it doesn't. And it begs the question: has anyone seen the rules for what can have Marks yet? Because the playtest rules said that only CORE can have Marks. But Possessed can have Icons. So are Possessed stuck with the Icon of Chaos Undivided, since they can't have the Mark of Nurgle, Khorne, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch?

Now that would just make this all the stupider.

I thought it was Core and Daemonkin could have marks.

I'll buy the possessed regardless because they're amazing rules, but I don't see myself getting a single game of 40k in with this faction until the next codex, and who knows when that'll be.

Been praying for a decent shake for Chaos Marines ever since 5th edition and it just isn't happening, yet I keep hoping, for I have nothing if I don't have hope at least.

What I noticed is that characters and core have a keyword called Chaos Undivided, whilst Daemonkin, Daemon Engines and Vehicles don't have that keyword. So I think those units with it start undivided if that actually provides anything and then they are allowed to pay 15pts to upgrade to a God mark instead. If you don't have the Chaos Undivided keyword then you can't have a mark.

Thats what it looks like to me, otherwise what's the purpose of it except maybe strat interaction.

**Rogerio134134**

I'm just pleased that I picked up thousand sons at Xmas time after going to two events and not winning a single game with my iron warriors. They have sat on the shelf since then thinking about what they've done. I think there are some interesting things in the leaked rules however it's not all bad.

The psychic powers and prayers to the dark god's look really solid, the one which lets a unit only be hit on 4s is really good. We haven't seen all the warlord traits or relics yet either so I'm sure there's some play in the book. I personally think that a horde of legionaries could be quite interesting due to their low points value and the myriad of buffs they can be given.

**Garrac**

It seems I cant find the leaked codex. Can a handsome fella put the link. please?

**Jidmah**

Garrac wrote:
It seems I cant find the leaked codex. Can a handsome fella put the link. please?

I'm not handsome, but here you go anyways

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/vesivc/csm_leaks/

**Garrac**

Jidmah wrote:
Garrac wrote:
It seems I cant find the leaked codex. Can a handsome fella put the link. please?

I'm not handsome, but here you go anyways

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/vesivc/csm_leaks/

Well now youre 100% handsomer

**Sgt. Cortez**

Well, it seems like I'll be buying those accursed Cultists and new Possessed at some point because I'm a sucker for mutated units to use with my DG, but GW apparently really wants us to move to Grimdark Future/ One Page rules. How they handle unit options in the Codizes really broke the game more than formations ever could for narrative players.

**Leo_the_Rat**

I just noticed something really GW level dumb. Noise Marines still can use Power Axes, Swords and, Mauls. So now you can point to your Terminators and go "These axes, swords and mauls are all the same weapon and have the same weapon profile." And then point to your Noise Marines and say, "Theses axes, swords and, mauls are all different weapons and each has their own weapon profile."

Talk about making it easier on a begining player.

Addendum, Also Terminator Lords can now take Chain Fists for no cost.

**Fwlshadowalker**

While I agree that having identical physical thing represent different rules depending on who uses them is making the game needless complicated but imo is the least of trouble. Loosing unit options or invalidating units is the bigger problem.
They not even bothered to make the rules as to allow replacement, e.g dual lighting claws -> dual accursed weapon. It would be different then before but at least you could use the models still. Same for the combi wepaons in Termi squads. It would be lame but at least you wouldn't have to spent money to use your models again. And that money will not go to GW from me but anyone else that can give me combiBolter Arms for Termis.

**Scottywan82**

I've been thinking about it and I almost wish they'd gone the Primaris route with Chaos. At least when Space Marines got Primaris models that were all kitlocked nonsense, they left the firstborn units as they were. True, they made the rules suck, but they didn't invalidate units or armies.

For Chaos they just decided to feth over everyone who'd ever converted a model instead.