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2022/06/20 21:09:32
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Leo_the_Rat wrote: What I'd like to know is why the 15 point difference is between 10 Noise Marines with bolt pistol and chainsword (210 points) and 10 Legionaires with bolt pistol, chainsword and, mark of slaanesh (195 points)? They have identical stats and are using identical weapons.
It's because they made the price for optional Marks on a "per unit" basis, while "baking it in" for units where they aren't an option, like Noise Marines. 3.5 priced Marks on a "per model" basis, thus avoiding this issue. Better codex design, through and through.
Andy Chambers and Pete Gaines, where are you when we need you?!
I'm pretty sure they're paying for the sonic weapon ability even if you don't take sonic weapons.
2022/06/20 22:11:48
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
What are people thinking for generic CSM ? The only chat in here is for EC at the moment.
Legionnaires look pretty good now, a full squad of 10 with a tooled up champion plus a heavy chain axe could do some serious harm on objectives. 4 attacks each with exploding sixes if in the right turn sounds great I like the sound of multiple havoc squads now as well with their very low points cost being a big bonus.
As an iron warriors player I feel my cultists will be getting some serious work in the king of cannon fodder for my heavy firepower.
2022/06/20 22:14:28
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Leo_the_Rat wrote: What I'd like to know is why the 15 point difference is between 10 Noise Marines with bolt pistol and chainsword (210 points) and 10 Legionaires with bolt pistol, chainsword and, mark of slaanesh (195 points)? They have identical stats and are using identical weapons.
It's because they made the price for optional Marks on a "per unit" basis, while "baking it in" for units where they aren't an option, like Noise Marines. 3.5 priced Marks on a "per model" basis, thus avoiding this issue. Better codex design, through and through.
Andy Chambers and Pete Gaines, where are you when we need you?!
I'm pretty sure they're paying for the sonic weapon ability even if you don't take sonic weapons.
No Daed. I've already explained this, as have others. To reiterate:
Gadzilla666 wrote:No. A Legionaire, without a Mark, is 18 PPM. A Noise Marine is 21 PPM. So the Noise Marines are paying +3 PPM for the Mark of Slaanesh. The price for the Mark of Slaanesh is 15 points per squad for the Legionaries, so it's +3 PPM if the squad is only 5 models. Once you go beyond 5 models, you get a discount, dropping to 1.5 PPM at 10 models.
Pretty sure that the Sonic Weapons abilities are factored into those weapons prices.
2022/06/20 22:18:04
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
JNAProductions wrote: Is “Fights First” and a worse gun and slot really worth 1 PPM?
If they had more melee, then sure. But without that…
Also, for the record, I'm going to say that I actually like the flat cost for Marks in a squad. It helps encourage going beyond MSU, which is a good change.
2022/06/20 22:22:51
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
A bit sad that a unit of 5 raptors with meltas or flamers cost more then a Venomcrawler but it makes me want to try this more "demonkin" heavy list.
I'm totally in for Abaddon Black Legion Chosen with Tzeentch marks and Legionaries with Tomes and Death Hex. Drop invulnerables with Hex and then explode a bunch of melta shots into the targets. Toss in some flamer heavy Termies -- I'm actually warming up to the idea of a heavy flamer for them for the first time ever.
If there is a way to guarantee Destruction on a unit beyond turn 1 then I wouldn't mind using Quad Las Preds. It otherwise kind of stinks to miss out if you go first and have no targets for them.
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2022/06/20 23:10:37
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Noise marines should be allowed to take sonic blasters for free so they are 21pts with their signature weapon.
It's absolutely crazy to me that noise marines are the same cost as Rubic Marines who get a aspiring sorcerer squad leader and vastly superior bolter for the same price.
Maybe we're paying a premium per marine because the blastmaster itself is so powerful ?
2022/06/20 23:16:29
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
A bit sad that a unit of 5 raptors with meltas or flamers cost more then a Venomcrawler but it makes me want to try this more "demonkin" heavy list.
I'm totally in for Abaddon Black Legion Chosen with Tzeentch marks and Legionaries with Tomes and Death Hex. Drop invulnerables with Hex and then explode a bunch of melta shots into the targets.
If there is a way to guarantee Destruction on a unit beyond turn 1 then I wouldn't mind using Quad Las Preds. It otherwise kind of stinks to miss out if you go first and have no targets for them.
Abba does look positively mean. "Interestingly" EC have a strat to put a core or Demonkin unit into slaughter. So I'd bet the strat to put a unit back into destruction is IW only.
-"For the Ruinous Powers!"
2022/06/20 23:20:53
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Just reiterating this question again in case anyone missed it, because obviously, it's important:
Gadzilla666 wrote: Question: Has anyone seen a leaked codex page with any of the "Super Doctrines"? It seems odd that none of the leakers have managed to get a picture of one. I'm beginning to think that they were just removed.
Also: Any sign of a Warp Talons or Raptors datasheet? Or anything pertaining to Night Lords (Legion trait, WLTs, relics, stratagems, anything). C'mon, throw an old Nostroman a bone.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Just reiterating this question again in case anyone missed it, because obviously, it's important:
Gadzilla666 wrote: Question: Has anyone seen a leaked codex page with any of the "Super Doctrines"? It seems odd that none of the leakers have managed to get a picture of one. I'm beginning to think that they were just removed.
Also: Any sign of a Warp Talons or Raptors datasheet? Or anything pertaining to Night Lords (Legion trait, WLTs, relics, stratagems, anything). C'mon, throw an old Nostroman a bone.
C'mon. Haven't we been disappointed enough ?
I think spiky bits has pictures of the assembly manual stats for both Raptor and Warp talons on their CSM article.
-"For the Ruinous Powers!"
2022/06/20 23:34:07
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Gadzilla666 wrote: Just reiterating this question again in case anyone missed it, because obviously, it's important:
Gadzilla666 wrote: Question: Has anyone seen a leaked codex page with any of the "Super Doctrines"? It seems odd that none of the leakers have managed to get a picture of one. I'm beginning to think that they were just removed.
Also: Any sign of a Warp Talons or Raptors datasheet? Or anything pertaining to Night Lords (Legion trait, WLTs, relics, stratagems, anything). C'mon, throw an old Nostroman a bone.
C'mon. Haven't we been disappointed enough ?
I think spiky bits has pictures of the assembly manual stats for both Raptor and Warp talons on their CSM article.
No. Rip off the bandaid. Get it over with. And those assembly instructions only show basic stats. I want to know what special rules made it through, if any.
Same for Custom Legion traits, BTW. I want to know if the fallback + charge + shoot one survived.
2022/06/20 23:43:32
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Gadzilla666 wrote: Just reiterating this question again in case anyone missed it, because obviously, it's important:
Gadzilla666 wrote: Question: Has anyone seen a leaked codex page with any of the "Super Doctrines"? It seems odd that none of the leakers have managed to get a picture of one. I'm beginning to think that they were just removed.
Also: Any sign of a Warp Talons or Raptors datasheet? Or anything pertaining to Night Lords (Legion trait, WLTs, relics, stratagems, anything). C'mon, throw an old Nostroman a bone.
C'mon. Haven't we been disappointed enough ?
I think spiky bits has pictures of the assembly manual stats for both Raptor and Warp talons on their CSM article.
No. Rip off the bandaid. Get it over with. And those assembly instructions only show basic stats. I want to know what special rules made it through, if any.
Same for Custom Legion traits, BTW. I want to know if the fallback + charge + shoot one survived.
Sometimes swift pain is better then agonizing mercy.
If it's any consolation: if ClockWorkChris's pal is right on the money about our favourite deranged murder birds, then 5 attacks per head does look pretty great !
-"For the Ruinous Powers!"
2022/06/20 23:43:32
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
I believe that raptors can take up to 2 plasma pistols or 2 melta guns or 2 plasma guns or any combination that makes 2. The champion can take a plasma pistol. So you could have 3 plasma pistols but the other Raptors would be bolt pistol & chain sword.
2022/06/21 00:09:11
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Raptors (unit of 5-10)
Chainsword and pistol
Up to 2 special weapons
Up to 2 plasma pistols
Champ
Can take plasma pistol
Power sword or fist
^ This is what chris said when he leaked what raptors do, 2 special, 3 plasma pistols so unless there is a stipulation that you can't take duplicate specials, 2 plasma guns, 3 plasma pistols is possible.
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2022/06/21 00:25:47
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
I'm pretty sure that he was typing in shorthand. I'd be willing to bet that there's an "or" between the special weapons and the plasma pistols in the actual rules.
2022/06/21 00:31:58
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Leo_the_Rat wrote: I'm pretty sure that he was typing in shorthand. I'd be willing to bet that there's an "or" between the special weapons and the plasma pistols in the actual rules.
ItYou make a good point, since he wrote the rules for the bikers in a similar way can take 2 special and take 2 combi weapons, while in the actual sheet it is do one or the other
2022/06/21 00:40:40
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Gadzilla666 wrote: Has anyone seen a leaked codex page with any of the "Super Doctrines"? It seems odd that none of the leakers have managed to get a picture of one. I'm beginning to think that they were just
Do you mean this one?
Spoiler:
2022/06/21 00:43:13
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours (pretty much everything leaked, everything was true)
Gadzilla666 wrote: Has anyone seen a leaked codex page with any of the "Super Doctrines"? It seems odd that none of the leakers have managed to get a picture of one. I'm beginning to think that they were just
Do you mean this one?
Spoiler:
Super Doctrines. The subfaction-specific benefits you get for some of the Slaughter.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
