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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the Firebrand is now just a Cultist with a Heavy Flamer.

Despite the fact that the dude is so juiced up, he's basically the size of a space marine. Nice.

The inconsistency of GW also ticks me off. So the cultist kit that is coming out presumably doesn't have special weapon options. But the BSF cultist do. So you can include those special weapons in your unit, but only if you buy both kits, right?

So why can't we do the same with other kits? Why are the chosen options so limited to what is strictly in the kit (and even then, not every option from that kit)?

Why couldn't they have done with Cultists what they did with SoB Novitiates or Eldar Corsairs?

Those kits have the pistol/sword and rifle options right on the sprue. Plus a few special weapons/sergeant options.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

So how those who want pistol&ccw have zero value?

Hyperbole is strong.

I have the feeling these new Cultist models might be some rejects or alternate models they made when creating BSF (that's why I called them leftover in the other post). Or maybe the Designer did them in their free time and suggested GW to make a proper kit out of them together with the Abyss guys. For the people who can't use 3rd party models because they have to play in a GW I hope these come pretty cheap at least.

Prices

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

In order for me:
Oh good value (no shock it's 30k)
Ooft
Ooft
Meh
Wtf

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

That's the price of pox walkers plus new model tax. Pretty much what I expected.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

I haven't found an exact match at a glance but that bracket should translate to 36€, I think. More expensive than they should be, but less excessive than they might have been.

The Obliterators and Venomcrawler aren't on the list, which probably makes them direct only. On the bright side that means I still get to predict price. Everybody loves a good guessing game! So I'm going to say part of a start collecting box for the price of a start collecting box. That seems like GW's latest approach, albeit most accurately seen on terrain components of big boxes.

 Geifer wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

I haven't found an exact match at a glance but that bracket should translate to 36€, I think. More expensive than they should be, but less excessive than they might have been.

The Obliterators and Venomcrawler aren't on the list, which probably makes them direct only. On the bright side that means I still get to predict price. Everybody loves a good guessing game! So I'm going to say part of a start collecting box for the price of a start collecting box. That seems like GW's latest approach, albeit most accurately seen on terrain components of big boxes.

€35

Or more than sc. Like fyreslayer magmadroth that got higher price than sc and lost 10 vulkite berserkers in process. Good thing got sc while i could and now am on magmadroth avoidance. I stick witth 3 sc one's i have

 DaveC wrote:
€35

Interesting. I didn't know that was still in use. 35€ items got bumped to 36€ and I think 37€ by the price increases of the last years.

But hey, I'll take it.

tneva82 wrote:
Or more than sc. Like fyreslayer magmadroth that got higher price than sc and lost 10 vulkite berserkers in process. Good thing got sc while i could and now am on magmadroth avoidance. I stick witth 3 sc one's i have

Luckily I'm hyper positive about GW and expect their prices to only be super dumb, not super dumb +1. Go positivity!

But more seriously, I'm reluctant to draw on Fyrslyrs for comparison because it seems that GW has sabotaged that army in every imaginable way, and it may not be reflective of how other armies are treated. Even if Chaos Marines have gotten more than their share of bogus treatment.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

That's the price of pox walkers plus new model tax. Pretty much what I expected.

The difference there is the pox walkers are widely available from the combat patrols and years of dark imperium + various magazines existing. I appreciate GW doesn't think that way but as a "consoomer", cultists are way harder to come by.

*looks up from painting up another DKOK kill team as DG cultists*
You were saying?

On a more serious note, it's not hard to guess the prices of infantry boxes. Just find a box with similar number of models and options released since the start of 8th and then add 1.5-6.5 GBP depending on how many price hikes have happend since their release.

No judgement, just observation.

tneva82 wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

So how those who want pistol&ccw have zero value?

Hyperbole is strong.

Who actually wants that loadout? I'm not really seeing any good use for such a unit? S3, T3, they'll have 1 attack plus 1 for the CCW and a pistol shot in the shooting phase. Hitting on 4s.

What exactly is that unit meant to do that a unit armed with rifles cannot do while at the same time having better shooting?

And again, people are not saying that the kit shouldn't have pistols and CCWs, just that it should also have rifles so people have a choice.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

So how those who want pistol&ccw have zero value?

Hyperbole is strong.

Who actually wants that loadout? I'm not really seeing any good use for such a unit? S3, T3, they'll have 1 attack plus 1 for the CCW and a pistol shot in the shooting phase. Hitting on 4s.

What exactly is that unit meant to do that a unit armed with rifles cannot do while at the same time having better shooting?

And again, people are not saying that the kit shouldn't have pistols and CCWs, just that it should also have rifles so people have a choice.

If we had an actual decent mortal follower dex, (like we had) with a reason to use that loadout (like we had) ...

if only...

tneva82 wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

So how those who want pistol&ccw have zero value?

Hyperbole is strong.

Because it's a really godawful loadout.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

So how those who want pistol&ccw have zero value?

Hyperbole is strong.

Who actually wants that loadout? I'm not really seeing any good use for such a unit? S3, T3, they'll have 1 attack plus 1 for the CCW and a pistol shot in the shooting phase. Hitting on 4s.

What exactly is that unit meant to do that a unit armed with rifles cannot do while at the same time having better shooting?

And again, people are not saying that the kit shouldn't have pistols and CCWs, just that it should also have rifles so people have a choice.

If we had an actual decent mortal follower dex, (like we had) with a reason to use that loadout (like we had) ...

if only...

Yeah, you'd think with so many cultist kits being added, they'd be worthwhile additions to the codex. But no.
And with the mutants and torments as a better CC unit (but still inferior to piles of CSM options), you'd think a shooty cultist unit would be a priority.

Its a mess and a dumb design decision no matter what metrics you're using.

Dudeface wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

In order for me:
Oh good value (no shock it's 30k)
Ooft
Ooft
Meh
Wtf

Lol wut

So many people getting Wooshed by Tneva.

I have been known to play "how many cultists can i field" games and it honestly never matterd if they were melee or ranged. Rule of cool all the way, Baby!
Would love some alternative bitz in the box but we will see about that in the sprue -picture.
(Also: everything human sized is a cultists if you do a bit of kitbashing. So they for me are the one kit that has the best alternatives if you are dissatisfied with it)

The cultist HQ is expensive - but that was expected and they are a one-of by for me anyways, so i can accept it.

Chosen? Gotta be honest with you: the kit is not impressive enough to justify me getting more than the ones i got for cheap from the battlebox. Absolutely a missed opportunity and not worth the price compared to the still expensive but good looking Legionaries.

Voss wrote:

Spoiler:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

So how those who want pistol&ccw have zero value?

Hyperbole is strong.

Who actually wants that loadout? I'm not really seeing any good use for such a unit? S3, T3, they'll have 1 attack plus 1 for the CCW and a pistol shot in the shooting phase. Hitting on 4s.

What exactly is that unit meant to do that a unit armed with rifles cannot do while at the same time having better shooting?

And again, people are not saying that the kit shouldn't have pistols and CCWs, just that it should also have rifles so people have a choice.

If we had an actual decent mortal follower dex, (like we had) with a reason to use that loadout (like we had) ...

if only...

Yeah, you'd think with so many cultist kits being added, they'd be worthwhile additions to the codex. But no.
And with the mutants and torments as a better CC unit (but still inferior to piles of CSM options), you'd think a shooty cultist unit would be a priority.

Its a mess and a dumb design decision no matter what metrics you're using.

We got this nugget yesterday:

Warhammer Community wrote:The Warpforged – consisting of a skittering Venomcrawler and two hulking Obliterators – are the perfect way to add heavy firepower to your warband, adding a ranged counterweight to all your close-combat specialists. Not that they won’t get stuck into the melee given a chance – they are aligned to Chaos, after all.

As much as we joke (or "joke") about it, there's a very real chance that Chaos is actually seen as an NPC faction by the designers whose imagination for the faction never extends to plausible motivations and means to achieve their goals. Who needs esoteric crap like that for these weird cultist guys anyway? They're aligned to Chaos, after all...

Actually, nevermind the fact Chosen have so little alternative bits and options - do they even have enough bits to make the default loadout? Because I'm pretty sure it only comes with 2 Bolt Pistols, and you need 5 for a fully WYSIWYG squad.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Actually, nevermind the fact Chosen have so little alternative bits and options - do they even have enough bits to make the default loadout? Because I'm pretty sure it only comes with 2 Bolt Pistols, and you need 5 for a fully WYSIWYG squad.

Every model has a pistol. Holsters. They're a thing. Look them up.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

£27.50 for ten tiny monopose cultists?

In order for me:
Oh good value (no shock it's 30k)
Ooft
Ooft
Meh
Wtf

Lol wut

For the leviathan that's a ~£20 saving in a nicer material, to me that seems ok?

 Geifer wrote:
So I'm going to say part of a start collecting box for the price of a start collecting box.

85 euros for Venomcrawler and two Obliterators on one sprue would be ridiculous even for GW.

Santtu wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
So I'm going to say part of a start collecting box for the price of a start collecting box.

85 euros for Venomcrawler and two Obliterators on one sprue would be ridiculous even for GW.

Considering how expensive vehicles have become?
Or elite support units because people need less of them?

It is perfectly within expectation of gw

Santtu wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
So I'm going to say part of a start collecting box for the price of a start collecting box.

85 euros for Venomcrawler and two Obliterators on one sprue would be ridiculous even for GW.

Why? look at the various command sprues from the release boxes.

Santtu wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
So I'm going to say part of a start collecting box for the price of a start collecting box.

85 euros for Venomcrawler and two Obliterators on one sprue would be ridiculous even for GW.

It's gw. They always try to break ridiculous limit. Up the price while removing models isn't unheard even.

Yeah, none of this surprises me. I'm pretty sure several people called it a couple of times in the 170+ pages before this one that this is what would happen to the oblits+venomcrawler.

As for the autogun cultists, I figure it's easier just to use the Traitor Guard. Since it's not listed as an 'autogun' but instead a 'cultist firearm' it could be just about anything.

And then, once you've built those, GW will release a datasheet for the traitor guard that will also have a bunch of nonsensical restrictions so you can only build what's in the box.


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One thing a Redditor noticed is this:





So at the very least it looks like there will be more options for your Cultists, at least for some arm and head swaps.