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Pretty sure the idea is that if you're not bringing Rapiers in a list, you can still bring the models as this squad.

I think the idea is the same as the proxy/conversion guides in Arcane Journals.

"we don't make a model for this but this is how you can represent it using Citadel miniatures"

chaos0xomega wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ordered three boxes of the Quad/Laser Rapiers.

Still tempted to use the crew, with appropriate weapons of course, as a Recon Squad. The armour just looks suited to that role to my eyes.

We know they're intended to be used as an Augur Command & Control Squad, so there is precedent for them running around without Rapiers

Which is something thats been bugging me - you need 2 crew per rapier, when will you ever have spare crew for an augur squad? Or is the idea that you can only field them when youre not fielding rapiers?

The crew are also on a separate sprue from the Rapiers.

My hope (not based on anything other than copium) is that GW might sell the crew sprue separately for a limited time while the book is new. But that's probably overly optimistic...

Or the crew may get reused if they come out with say a Legion Basilisk kit

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think the idea is the same as the proxy/conversion guides in Arcane Journals.

"we don't make a model for this but this is how you can represent it using Citadel miniatures"

Yes, but in many cases you are using most/all of the kit for those, or youre using the spare parts of the kit (like the white lions).

This is basically asking you to buy a kjt and not use most of it.

No really, it's more telling you that you have an option of how to use the models in the kit in different ways.

Slightly off topic, but I need to rant about Rapiers. Why in the world can't GW rules guys get on the same page when it comes to Rapier rules? I get the want 30k and 40k to be different, but the unit organization is totally scattershot. In HH it's the carriage and two guys. It used to be the same in 40k, but for some reason I 9th they decided it needed to just be a single model with one crew member. And don't get me started on if the crew are armed with bolters or bolt pistols, as that's seemed to go back and forth too.

 Gert wrote:
Surely not on the bit about the flamer template?

Without looking at the leak, I'd guess they're trying to nail things down to prevent any arguments about whether a model is affected or not - and that this might include at least one diagram.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Surely not on the bit about the flamer template?

Without looking at the leak, I'd guess they're trying to nail things down to prevent any arguments about whether a model is affected or not - and that this might include at least one diagram.

I checked, no diagrams.

https://i.4cdn.org/tg/1749857324452909m.jpg

Can't get the damn image to display

In what universe were diagrams a problem?

It's like they've gone into a meeting and asked, "How do we make this the least accessible ruleset we've ever made?"

 Gert wrote:
In what universe were diagrams a problem?

The AI can't parse them!

chaos0xomega wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think the idea is the same as the proxy/conversion guides in Arcane Journals.

"we don't make a model for this but this is how you can represent it using Citadel miniatures"

Yes, but in many cases you are using most/all of the kit for those, or youre using the spare parts of the kit (like the white lions).

This is basically asking you to buy a kjt and not use most of it.

Or, given the crew models for the Rapier need only be present and not necessarily visually distinct? Swap them out for Random Marine 1 and 2.

Saturnine Kit Focus for both the unit and Praetor. Spure pics abound!

Squad



Praetor

Looks ball jointed on the Praetor, meaning we can actually adjust the posing

I’m liking that the kit comes with a full suite of weapon options.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m liking that the kit comes with a full suite of weapon options.

Yeah but it kind of doesn't though. It's only got half of what you need to equipped them in full. As it is, if you by the Saturnine box and want 6 double plasma Sats, you can't make them that way. Same goes for if you want 6 double desintegrator load outs. You can have 3 and 3, but not a full 6 of any either.

And we don't know at the moment if this is the full potential loadout for the Sats. They could be doing the same thing as they did with the contemptor for the AoD box and only supplying one sprue of weapons, with another set coming for individual release.

They say these are all the options in the Libres.

Which means you'll have to wait for the next DLC for melee Saturnine rules.

Oh ok, I missed that.

 Snrub wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m liking that the kit comes with a full suite of weapon options.

Yeah but it kind of doesn't though. It's only got half of what you need to equipped them in full. As it is, if you by the Saturnine box and want 6 double plasma Sats, you can't make them that way. Same goes for if you want 6 double desintegrator load outs. You can have 3 and 3, but not a full 6 of any either.

And we don't know at the moment if this is the full potential loadout for the Sats. They could be doing the same thing as they did with the contemptor for the AoD box and only supplying one sprue of weapons, with another set coming for individual release.

Fair point, I misread that bit of the article, confusing the 6 of everything as 6 of everything per 3.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fair point, I misread that bit of the article, confusing the 6 of everything as 6 of everything per 3.

Oh it's easy done. And if one were to gloss over the writing and jump straight to look at the sprue pics (as I initially did) you could easy mistake them for having included more then there is given that the weapons are split in two halves.

 Tamereth wrote:
"The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes."

With each new article we see this was more and more of an outright lie.

You're not wrong!

There look to be more than a few major changes, and that's just in what we've seen previewed so far.

And there also looks to be a lot of "make it more complicated for some reason" action going on...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
"The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes."

With each new article we see this was more and more of an outright lie.

You're not wrong!

There look to be more than a few major changes, and that's just in what we've seen previewed so far.

And there also looks to be a lot of "make it more complicated for some reason" action going on...

More complicated is why people supposedly like it over 40k historically. People claim to love the extra 'crunch'.

Dudeface wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
"The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes."

With each new article we see this was more and more of an outright lie.

You're not wrong!

There look to be more than a few major changes, and that's just in what we've seen previewed so far.

And there also looks to be a lot of "make it more complicated for some reason" action going on...

More complicated is why people supposedly like it over 40k historically. People claim to love the extra 'crunch'.

Historically 30k and 40k were the same game. When 40K got dumbed down people were glad 30k stayed the same as it was. I've never heard anybody call for what is a mass battle game to get extra 'crunch'. Cleaner more balanced rules for some units were the only thing people were calling for.

 Tamereth wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
"The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes."

With each new article we see this was more and more of an outright lie.

You're not wrong!

There look to be more than a few major changes, and that's just in what we've seen previewed so far.

And there also looks to be a lot of "make it more complicated for some reason" action going on...

More complicated is why people supposedly like it over 40k historically. People claim to love the extra 'crunch'.

Historically 30k and 40k were the same game. When 40K got dumbed down people were glad 30k stayed the same as it was. I've never heard anybody call for what is a mass battle game to get extra 'crunch'. Cleaner more balanced rules for some units were the only thing people were calling for.

I am aware of the games history, but thank you, however you dont have to look hard or far for crunch requests.

I think most people just wanted a Warhammer that still plays like a wargame, not a mobile phone RTS.

Of course some people legitimately want more actual crunch, but for the most part they just want it to not be... streamlined... the way 40k was.

Personally I thought 2.0 could use a bit of shaving down in the USR and weapon profiles department, but gameplay was nice. No way can 3.0 flow as well when a single charge move involves moving, two rounds of snap fire, then more moving, then pile in, before any attacks are rolled.

 Snrub wrote:
Saturnine Kit Focus for both the unit and Praetor. Spure pics abound!

Squad

Spoiler:

Praetor

Spoiler:

I'm baffled that they refer to the Praetor's cape as 'optional'. Sorry, Edna, but are awesome.

So how do we think they are supposed to wear the suits, given how big they are to a normal marine?

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/26-saturninetermlore-scale-t3tacej7ks.jpg

Maybe they wear stilts, or they use a robot head on top of their head? Or they have their pelvises artificially widened to help them spread into the legs...

GW loves making armour that doesn't make sense, in order for bigger=better.

Space marine armour has pretty much never made anatomical sense, to be fair.

It makes as much anatomical sense as their tanks do.

In fairness we do have stories of nobles in Necromunda getting their bodies modified so that they can fit into their power-armour suits. So the setting does at least have the concept that power-armour isn't made for a "standard human body" and instead you have to get tweaked a bit to fit.

Any word if the questoris book will be released with the initial release, or if it will come at a later date?