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H.B.M.C. wrote: As a friend of mine put it: That's a very polished turd, but a turd nontheless.
Exactly.
They must be considered really bad. I've not even seen the usual dakka dislike post of "I don't like them, so I'll only buy 1 box instead of 3".
On another more negative note. GW will have made loads of them as they're SMs. They won't sell many, so expect these turds to be in every SM box set from now on to reduce the stock. :-(
"They won't sell many" You can't seriously believe that.
I wish GW would just release a tactical primaris squad with the versatility and options of the old tac squads.
These very specialist squads are just there to push models with good rules before the nerf and then you never see them again.I am a big fan of primaris but the direction they keep going in is not one that I like. Design wise and rules wise ...
I hope they change their stance and quit making anything primaris orks but less rusty, I mean every model now has 20 guns tacked on... they don't look cool to me and they just look silly even from the perspective of "it's warhammer".
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Yes it's painfully obvious at this point that they moved away from tac squads so they could keep selling new units with slightly different weapons forever
Old World Prediction: The Empire will have stupid Clockwork Paragon Warsuits and Mecha Horses
On another more negative note. GW will have made loads of them as they're SMs. They won't sell many, so expect these turds to be in every SM box set from now on to reduce the stock. :-(
That's not how it works. The stock for army sets, battleforces and the like is made specially for those boxes. Boxes aren't broken down and repacked into other products.
On another more negative note. GW will have made loads of them as they're SMs. They won't sell many, so expect these turds to be in every SM box set from now on to reduce the stock. :-(
That's not how it works. The stock for army sets, battleforces and the like is made specially for those boxes. Boxes aren't broken down and repacked into other products.
Another possible metric they may use is if they are not selling as well, they put into boxes as a stuffer unit. To make a box look better with 5 extra marines and making it look much better price. Even if it isn’t really wanted or popular, it can still make a box seem sweeter.
Like how characters can make a good box seem worse if the only use it has is sitting gathering dust, but cannot deny its value adding the box together ether.
On another more negative note. GW will have made loads of them as they're SMs. They won't sell many, so expect these turds to be in every SM box set from now on to reduce the stock. :-(
That's not how it works. The stock for army sets, battleforces and the like is made specially for those boxes. Boxes aren't broken down and repacked into other products.
Another possible metric they may use is if they are not selling as well, they put into boxes as a stuffer unit. To make a box look better with 5 extra marines and making it look much better price. Even if it isn’t really wanted or popular, it can still make a box seem sweeter.
Like how characters can make a good box seem worse if the only use it has is sitting gathering dust, but cannot deny its value adding the box together ether.
Yes, I'm sure sales could influence decisions about which units to include in future value-added boxes. It's the "GW will have made loads of them" that isn't relevant.
I'll probably not buy them because I don't play Marines - but I continue to be in the tiny minority that thinks they look fine. Almost tempted to buy some out of spite.
Tyel wrote: I'll probably not buy them because I don't play Marines - but I continue to be in the tiny minority that thinks they look fine. Almost tempted to buy some out of spite.
But as far as I can see the rules suck.
I don't think the rules suck, I just don't think they're worth buying 10 of them.
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Tyel wrote: I'll probably not buy them because I don't play Marines - but I continue to be in the tiny minority that thinks they look fine. Almost tempted to buy some out of spite.
But as far as I can see the rules suck.
I don't think the rules suck, I just don't think they're worth buying 10 of them.
The rules don't seem very good. They're basically Hellblasters where maybe certain Chapters might get some mileage but you're better off with regular Devastators.
H.B.M.C. wrote: As a friend of mine put it: That's a very polished turd, but a turd nontheless.
Exactly.
They must be considered really bad. I've not even seen the usual dakka dislike post of "I don't like them, so I'll only buy 1 box instead of 3".
On another more negative note. GW will have made loads of them as they're SMs. They won't sell many, so expect these turds to be in every SM box set from now on to reduce the stock. :-(
The Frag version looks pretty bad, but the Krak isn't terrible. I'm also a fan of the Sargeant weapon but I've seen I'm in the minority there.
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The rules don't seem very good. They're basically Hellblasters where maybe certain Chapters might get some mileage but you're better off with regular Devastators.
Don't worry, GW will be along sooner, rather than later, to fix that problem also.
The rules don't seem very good. They're basically Hellblasters where maybe certain Chapters might get some mileage but you're better off with regular Devastators.
Don't worry, GW will be along sooner, rather than later, to fix that problem also.
Just like they fixed say, Reivers or melee list access, things that sucked for the entire duration of primaris rules?
Unless you meant nerfing into the ground, like the inept clown SM rules writer does every single time primaris get something good by accident, then sorry, my bad...
Beast_of_Guanyin wrote: I'm still confused about the whole chain fed gun thing. Do they have a bolter in addition to the little rocket pod thing?
No, it's supposed to be multiple missile pod adding saturation attacks to bigger rockets on top (belt fed because reloading it in any other way would be really impractical):
Funny how using the exact same setup as RL missile loadouts is somehow 'unrealistic' according to expierds here
Goose LeChance wrote: I dunno every time they fire their weapons they take a blast to the face, seems pretty comical but I guess that's where we're at. The only question is if it's intentionally bad or they don't know anything.
I have no idea how people repeatedly make this particular complaint about new missile launchers with straight face. When you hold the gun at chest level, vast majority of the blast goes straight into the shoulder pad, thickest, most resilient part of the armour. Some goes into chest, also the best protected part of the body. With old tube/HH launchers, though? 95% goes straight into your eye lenses and exposed breathing grill, making the above complain really dumb and ridiculous (and no, the superficial blast shield wouldn't stop it, because it would only block the first 0.1 seconds worth of backblast plus with being so asymmetrical, it would send the missile spinning harmlessly into the ground with its own deflected exhaust - there is a reason why no modern RL has these...)
tneva82 wrote: For me it's the guns top of guns. Too many guns. Give them 1 gun and profile to make worth of it.
Common witk primaris stuff. That melee dreadnought outshoots shooty dreads...
Yup, dual guns are dumb. We should delete combi weapons then (funny how no one whines about these even though modern, realistically sized combi-guns from recent termie kits are just as big proportionally on squatmarines as these launchers on primaris). And the melee Redemptor having the exact same amount of weapons as melee Leviathan, it's closest equivalent, is tOo MaNy GuNz. Oh wait...
If anything, problem with Redemptor is that it does not have enough, and it should have dual gun variant (again, like Leviathan).
On another more negative note. GW will have made loads of them as they're SMs. They won't sell many, so expect these turds to be in every SM box set from now on to reduce the stock. :-(
That's not how it works. The stock for army sets, battleforces and the like is made specially for those boxes. Boxes aren't broken down and repacked into other products.
While that is true, it's also not the whole truth. They're not literally breaking down and repacking boxes, but the main cost of any mini is producing the mould, and each one will allow them to cast a certain number of sprues. If you want to optimise things, you want to run each mould to the end of its life.
So while they might be making new Heavy Intercessors for this box, the cost of making them is relatively low if they've got plenty of life left in the existing moulds. And if something isn't selling well, they are certainly incentivised to bundle it.
Funny how using the exact same setup as RL missile loadouts is somehow 'unrealistic' according to expierds here
It's attached to a fething helicopter not a person
Also, not belt-fed. Which to my knowledge there is no such thing as a belt-fed rocket launcher.
This isn't the first belt-fed rocket launcher in the setting, either.
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Irbis wrote: [snpp]
No, it's supposed to be multiple missile pod adding saturation attacks to bigger rockets on top (belt fed because reloading it in any other way would be really impractical):
Funny how using the exact same setup as RL missile loadouts is somehow 'unrealistic' according to expierds here
I don't think its the loadout combination as such, just the weird way they have been smooshed together.
Goose LeChance wrote: I dunno every time they fire their weapons they take a blast to the face, seems pretty comical but I guess that's where we're at. The only question is if it's intentionally bad or they don't know anything.
I have no idea how people repeatedly make this particular complaint about new missile launchers with straight face. When you hold the gun at chest level, vast majority of the blast goes straight into the shoulder pad, thickest, most resilient part of the armour. Some goes into chest, also the best protected part of the body. With old tube/HH launchers, though? 95% goes straight into your eye lenses and exposed breathing grill, making the above complain really dumb and ridiculous (and no, the superficial blast shield wouldn't stop it, because it would only block the first 0.1 seconds worth of backblast plus with being so asymmetrical, it would send the missile spinning harmlessly into the ground with its own deflected exhaust - there is a reason why no modern RL has these...)
Conventional modern missile launchers have an initial charge to launch out of the tube, and the rocket ignites at a safe distance, or the tube is long enough to protect the user. The old style marine launchers all conform to this configuration, the implication being that they work in the same way, so the user should never see any particular back-blast.
The Primaris ones are set right in front of the user, so any back-blast vent for launch purposes would have to be offset somewhere (leading to a weird recoil torque, but they are in power armour so that probably doesn't matter), or the launch exhaust just gets dumped into the user. That doesn't seem like a good design choice either way.
Or they have gone the way of the true military awesomeness and have recreated the PIAT and its spring loaded majesty!
tneva82 wrote: For me it's the guns top of guns. Too many guns. Give them 1 gun and profile to make worth of it.
Common witk primaris stuff. That melee dreadnought outshoots shooty dreads...
Yup, dual guns are dumb. We should delete combi weapons then (funny how no one whines about these even though modern, realistically sized combi-guns from recent termie kits are just as big proportionally on squatmarines as these launchers on primaris). And the melee Redemptor having the exact same amount of weapons as melee Leviathan, it's closest equivalent, is tOo MaNy GuNz. Oh wait...
If anything, problem with Redemptor is that it does not have enough, and it should have dual gun variant (again, like Leviathan).
When stormbolters came out they were very clearly designed as a conventional pair of weapons linked together in a relatively svelte package. They used to be tiny, and have gradually grow in size over the years. When the chaos stuff came out they made a (in my view) nifty thing of the chaos dudes using the previous even clunkier version of combi weapons where it was just 2 bolters strapped together. It was deliberately clunky, and it fitted the bill.
These missile rifle thingies take that to the extreme in terms of massive boxes bolted haphazardly to each other and to me it doesn't make sense to do that. GW have had quite a consistent design language with their marine weapons over the years, and these things move away from it uite drawstically.
Funny how using the exact same setup as RL missile loadouts is somehow 'unrealistic' according to expierds here
It's attached to a fething helicopter not a person
Also, not belt-fed. Which to my knowledge there is no such thing as a belt-fed rocket launcher.
This isn't the first belt-fed rocket launcher in the setting, either.
Land Speeder Typhoon launchers had a belt-looking feed, and then there is the glorious Necromunda monstrosity of the buggy with the belt fed missile launcher.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: As a friend of mine put it: That's a very polished turd, but a turd nontheless.
Exactly.
They must be considered really bad. I've not even seen the usual dakka dislike post of "I don't like them, so I'll only buy 1 box instead of 3".
On another more negative note. GW will have made loads of them as they're SMs. They won't sell many, so expect these turds to be in every SM box set from now on to reduce the stock. :-(
Of course future boxes won't take from existing sprues so not going to reduce stock. Producing more sprues for new box set has zero effect on stock.
Maybe in another 38,000 years the've figured out how to belt-feed a portable 60mm rocket launcher (because that doesn't look big enough to be the same size as an AT-4 rocket).
Maybe in another 38,000 years the've figured out how to belt-feed a portable 60mm rocket launcher (because that doesn't look big enough to be the same size as an AT-4 rocket).
I was pretty sure 40K already had that and it was called the heavy bolter. But whatever.
Does it have six barrels where individual grenades protrude from each of those barrels like it was some sort of cylinder in a revolver despite also having a belt?
I mean, we're talking about the same company who made the pump-action cylinder-fed bolt "shotguns". They know nothing of how weapons function, and the Primaris Compensators and their Goofy Guns are the latest example, and a particularly egregious one.
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