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Yeah. The Redemptor goes down and keeps it's -1 Damage.
*cries in Tyrannofex*
Dawnbringer wrote: I disagree, I once painted up a space marine with a virus grenade over 25 years ago and I'm never going to forgive GW until it's a non-legend option again.
Sure. Be disingenuous. Really helps your position.
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Further confirmation, most likely this will be on WarCom tomorrow
God, what an abysmal set of takes on the way 40k is being run.
Quick thought- is a 5-man Devastator squad the only remaining thing that you can put in a Razorback?
Tactical Squads can Combat Squad now, so you can run them in Razorbacks if you like, which is not a small thing . . . But it's a poor consolation considering everything else going on.
Can you? Battle Sister Squads have that whole three-sides-of-a-square rule to allow them to combat squad and ride in Immolators. Do Tac Squads and Razorbacks have the same?
Prometheum5 wrote: Can you? Battle Sister Squads have that whole three-sides-of-a-square rule to allow them to combat squad and ride in Immolators. Do Tac Squads and Razorbacks have the same?
No, Tactical Squads just regained the ability to Combat Squad. No transport required.
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Right, so can you put a Tactical Combat Squad in a Razorback? Based on how the Sisters rule is worded I suppose it depends on the rule structure. If you split the squad at deployment can you still assign the split to a transport?
Prometheum5 wrote: Right, so can you put a Tactical Combat Squad in a Razorback? Based on how the Sisters rule is worded I suppose it depends on the rule structure. If you split the squad at deployment can you still assign the split to a transport?
I don't recall the exact wording (or even if I've seen it), but I believe you would elect to Combat Squad at the beginning of the Declare Reserves and Transports pre-battle step, and could then declare one of the Combat Squads to go into the Razorback.
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Prometheum5 wrote: Can you? Battle Sister Squads have that whole three-sides-of-a-square rule to allow them to combat squad and ride in Immolators. Do Tac Squads and Razorbacks have the same?
Tactical Marines have the Combat Squad rule to allow you to split them up, regardless of whether or not you put them in a transport. The Razorback doesn't care either way. I personally would rather put Devastators in a Razorback to give them effectively Twin-linked on their guns (assuming you don't totally whiff with the Razorback's guns, that is).
Edit: Multiple ninja'd, but my other point stands.
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I mean we had what? 6 years to prepare for this change of no more firstborn?
Ath this rate, only first born unit i think will remain is centurions and terminators.
I sold everything that went to legends, because they where never that good in the first place to be honest. like, who is really mising the landspeeder storm or hunter/stalker?
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean we had what? 6 years to prepare for this change of no more firstborn?
Ath this rate, only first born unit i think will remain is centurions and terminators.
I sold everything that went to legends, because they where never that good in the first place to be honest. like, who is really mising the landspeeder storm or hunter/stalker?
I'll give you Hunter/Stalker, but I'm sure anyone who ran a scout company is missing the Landspeeder Storm.
I see Goonhammer are still on the "Replaces the Primaris entry..." crap from their review.
No, they're still the Primaris entry. All they did was change the name.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean we had what? 6 years to prepare for this change of no more firstborn?
And? GW could have just as easily not removed tons of options. It's fine to replace a character with a Primaris version, but let him keep his weapon options. Don't suddenly invalidate the options just because the miniature is changing.
And there are non-Primaris things that have been gutted as well, like the Terminator Captain. Hell, even recent changes (Termy Chaplain Combi-Weapons) are going away.
And how does one prepare for losing all their Land Speeders and bikers overnight? If Outriders had been given actual fething options in the new Codex (and a proper non-EZbuild kit to go with it), then the loss of regular bikers mightn't be so harsh. They made a detachment that has Enhancements only for mounted characters... and there's one mounted character in the book (Biker Chaplain). Couldn't have kept the Biker Captain around for a little bit more?
"We had time to prepare!" is a cop-out.
I really do hope that that Legends document gets some hefty additions... (and even then that's only a half measure)
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In my opinion, 10th is a bit crap really. The new marines are hit and miss and don’t have the cool flavor of the old marines. It’s sad that we’ve lost all these older models to the ATV, Hammerfall bunker, desolators, inceptors, brutalis dread, repulsors, etc. just hideous additions to the range.
Then you have the bizarre rule changes for vanvets, Captain options, combi weapons. It really is the crap age of 40K.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean we had what? 6 years to prepare for this change of no more firstborn?
Ath this rate, only first born unit i think will remain is centurions and terminators.
I sold everything that went to legends, because they where never that good in the first place to be honest. like, who is really mising the landspeeder storm or hunter/stalker?
I'll give you Hunter/Stalker, but I'm sure anyone who ran a scout company is missing the Landspeeder Storm.
Yeah, if you have Scouts in the codex, why wouldn't you want a Scout transport? I mean, obviously because of the real/Primaris Marine split and the former getting phased out, but functionally? The Land Speeder Storm has a worthwhile role. Is that role filled equally well by the floating Rhino replacement whose name escapes me?
I'm quite font of the thing myself. My Scout Squad in a Land Speeder Storm once won me and my buddy a team tournament. Good times.
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Why is the rum always gone?
RazorEdge wrote: Why did the retconned the heritage on some Chapters?
Mentors (Ultramarines) and Exorcists (Imperial Fists) are now "Unknown foundings".
I know for a fact that the Exorcists became Imperial Fists founding last edition in White Dwarf, and it was one of the most unpopular changes to their lore in recent memory.
They were always rumoured to have a strange founding, with some speculating that they were the only example of Grey Knight successors.
Changes get made from time to time.
The Fire Lords were Imperial Fists Successors for years but 9th(?) saw them changed to Unknown when their Geneseed was analysed and found not to be of VIIth Legion lineage.
I'm sure Lexicanum will be updated in a few days and we can find out why the change was made.
Anyone getting bent out of shape over a Founder change needs to have a little lie down.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I see Goonhammer are still on the "Replaces the Primaris entry..." crap from their review.
No, they're still the Primaris entry. All they did was change the name.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean we had what? 6 years to prepare for this change of no more firstborn?
And? GW could have just as easily not removed tons of options. It's fine to replace a character with a Primaris version, but let him keep his weapon options. Don't suddenly invalidate the options just because the miniature is changing.
And there are non-Primaris things that have been gutted as well, like the Terminator Captain. Hell, even recent changes (Termy Chaplain Combi-Weapons) are going away.
And how does one prepare for losing all their Land Speeders and bikers overnight? If Outriders had been given actual fething options in the new Codex (and a proper non-EZbuild kit to go with it), then the loss of regular bikers mightn't be so harsh. They made a detachment that has Enhancements only for mounted characters... and there's one mounted character in the book (Biker Chaplain). Couldn't have kept the Biker Captain around for a little bit more?
"We had time to prepare!" is a cop-out.
I really do hope that that Legends document gets some hefty additions... (and even then that's only a half measure)
The writing on the wall ha been their once models started getting upgraded and better versions in the book.
And we knew for two months they where going to be phased out once tgey announced they where no longer selling them.
This should be surprising
Gert wrote: Changes get made from time to time. The Fire Lords were Imperial Fists Successors for years but 9th(?) saw them changed to Unknown when their Geneseed was analysed and found not to be of VIIth Legion lineage. I'm sure Lexicanum will be updated in a few days and we can find out why the change was made..
This is actually explained in the ending to Siege of Cthonia.
Spoiler:
The Imperial Fists take in the Thousand Sons 5th Fellowship and other Loyalists as full fledged members, armor color, emblem and all.
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Emperor forbid people care about the game's background.
Please do tell me what exactly has changed in the character and histories of the Mentor Chapter now that they aren't officially Ultramarines Successors which was only recently confirmed in Spear of the Emperor BTW.
I mean if people really cared about the background they should be complaining about how all the Chapters are supposed to be Legions or that there aren't half-Eldar Ultramarine Librarians.
People who endlessly complain about minor retcons and updates don't care about the background they care about complaining.
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I still wanna be salty of Sharding The Deceiver. They were my favorite character who was responsible for So Much of what happened in the setting, and so much of it got retconned out.
Emperor forbid people care about the game's background.
I mean if people really cared about the background they should be screeching about how all the Chapters are supposed to be Legions or that there aren't half-Eldar Ultramarine Librarians.
Poor argument. It's well understood that RT, especially early RT, was a time of exploration and experimentation. The background became more cohesive in the years following, especially when it comes to Space Marines.
The whole half-Eldar librarian thing we can take a pass on because it was mentioned once in that early experimental phase, and then never referred to again.
No idea where your "Legions" thing is coming from, since Space Marines are organized into Chapters in the OG RT book itself.
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