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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Anyone else seen the Catachan Combat Patrol leak?

The Trailblazer and Slaughter Talon were all gangsta until they saw this one man wreaking crew...chilling out on the battlefield, smoking his cigar...

40K does have that odd thing where just going on rules? It appears nobody of any note did much of anything of any interest* for 10,000 years.

*Not you, Abaddon. Who’s been a busy boy then?

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The Last Chancers should all have been dead for centuries.

...not that GW would care, but still...

They keep on recruiting new dudes to replace the dead ones, and I assume that the Guard can even replace Shaeffer with some cosmetically-modified body double to continue the legend.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with having rules for dead models.

It'd be a bit weird to have, say, Horus in 40k, since he was NEVER around for it.
But Yarrick or the Last Chancers? Sure, give 'em rules.

Modern GW seems to have moved away from 'historical' characters and insisting on having everyone existing in the 'present'. So we'll never see the likes of Macharius again.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The Last Chancers should all have been dead for centuries.

...not that GW would care, but still...

They keep on recruiting new dudes to replace the dead ones, and I assume that the Guard can even replace Shaeffer with some cosmetically-modified body double to continue the legend.

Yeah; but that defeats the point of bringing back the characters you remember if they're not actually the characters you remember.

Wasn’t the nightbringer leaked as part of KT? So if we are going to get rules for KT vs. giant demi-god level things (which narratively is very cool) it would be appropriate for a “regular” KT to be tasked with taking down Sly…

The last chancers were all archetypes anyway. It’s not like they had proper names other than Schaeffer anyway, and even that could be made into a title rather than a name.

I rather liked the idea that you could make an army from any time after the Heresy.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The Last Chancers should all have been dead for centuries.

...not that GW would care, but still...

They keep on recruiting new dudes to replace the dead ones, and I assume that the Guard can even replace Shaeffer with some cosmetically-modified body double to continue the legend.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with having rules for dead models.

It'd be a bit weird to have, say, Horus in 40k, since he was NEVER around for it.
But Yarrick or the Last Chancers? Sure, give 'em rules.

Modern GW seems to have moved away from 'historical' characters and insisting on having everyone existing in the 'present'. So we'll never see the likes of Macharius again.

Gaunt's Ghosts are from centuries before the "current" time. I assume that if there's a cool mini to be made, they'll just make it, without worrying about the historical inaccuracy.

I've just come to the realization that...I'm the only one who actually likes the new Iron Hands combat patrol? There's loads of Youtube videos taking the mickey out it....

Those turrets are Tarantulas straight out of Mission: Dreadnought! What's not to love?

 Pariah Press wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Modern GW seems to have moved away from 'historical' characters and insisting on having everyone existing in the 'present'. So we'll never see the likes of Macharius again.

Gaunt's Ghosts are from centuries before the "current" time. I assume that if there's a cool mini to be made, they'll just make it, without worrying about the historical inaccuracy.

Oh, yeah... I keep thinking of them as 'Black Library special models', when they're actually in the Codex for some baffling reason. It's not like one can make a Ghosts army by-the-book to back them up, even. Weird.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd love to see the return of the Last Chancers with all their special rules. 12 independent Characters, and optional transport

A guy at my FLGS ran them for about a year with some success back when the Vehicle Design Rules were a thing.

They would make a great Kill Team box. Twelve Specialists with diverse skills, including one nutcase to lead them sounds like a slightly more organised version of the Sanctifiers.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The Last Chancers should all have been dead for centuries.

...not that GW would care, but still...

They keep on recruiting new dudes to replace the dead ones, and I assume that the Guard can even replace Shaeffer with some cosmetically-modified body double to continue the legend.

Yeah; but that defeats the point of bringing back the characters you remember if they're not actually the characters you remember.

Shaef(f)er is the only real special character here since 2nd edition. They had a bunch of weird freaks in 3rd edition and then a character (who died) from Gav Thorpes novels. They could easily bring the colonel back as an even more augmented cyborg commanding nameless prisoners. And yes, a KT would be cool.

Rustle up a free Ratling miniature of the month and a Warhammer Day coin

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Surely they should be a Kill Team? Super flexible one, with the option to have multiple of a given specialist?

I mean, considering they're the reason Kill Team first existed as a game mode? Absolutely.

New from Valrak - reiterates some existing rumours, but plus the Tyranids are getting a new Red Terror model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXMlpHjll3E

I'm down for a new Red Terror!

Though still surprised we don't have shrieks/winged warrior kit/a prime on foot er hoof without wings

We do have a Prime on foot. It's part of its unit box, just like the Mega-Armour Big Mek and Allarus Shield-Captains for example.

It and the Neurothrope were essentially removed as datasheets and demoted to line grunts for seemingly arbitrary reasons instead of being given the same treatment as aforementioned units, but the miniatures are very much still there.

 Ashiraya wrote:
We do have a Prime on foot. It's part of its unit box, just like the Mega-Armour Big Mek and Allarus Shield-Captains for example.

It and the Neurothrope were essentially removed as datasheets and demoted to line grunts for seemingly arbitrary reasons instead of being given the same treatment as aforementioned units, but the miniatures are very much still there.

Probably due to 10th unit pricing. They want the points to be simple, one box=points x, 2 boxes =points 2x. If you can build a character out of the unit box you end up with entries like the harlequin troope.

It's a day ending in Y, therefore it must be a space marine release:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wpnaftda/march-for-macragge-with-new-ultramarines-upgrades-and-a-versatile-combat-patrol/

Ultras have always been well served with transfers, but sculpted pads can be nice? Some of the extras on the sprue seemed fun, but nothing earthshattering. Transfer sheet is actually more appealing to me then the plastic.

CP is kinda of a mish mash of units. The old school Ultra in me likes the fact that it;s got something from every FOC slot. A lot of duplicate stuff from what I own personally, but I still might grab it for the few things I could use.

Too bad there is a named character in the new Ultramarines CP... This makes it less desireable for long-time collectors who certainly already have a Tigurius model, although if the price is right the presence of the new upgrade sprue may make it worthwhile from a money perspective.

It is actually good CP for starting an army in my books as it does include varierity of units.

Dang, I actually kinda like these new Ultramarine stuff coming up. Hell has frozen apparently

CorwinB wrote:
Too bad there is a named character in the new Ultramarines CP... This makes it less desireable for long-time collectors who certainly already have a Tigurius model, although if the price is right the presence of the new upgrade sprue may make it worthwhile from a money perspective.

Did it need more to disincentivize multiple sales then the squad of reivers? I guess so…

(Oddly, I never got around to picking up the new Tiggy, so that’s not a bother for me)

Plenty of scope to defray the costs by selling the new Tiggy on e-bay for £20 if you have one already. Would the bigger problem be the Reivers? I don't play particularly, but I haven't seen them getting much good press.

 Flinty wrote:
Plenty of scope to defray the costs by selling the new Tiggy on e-bay for £20 if you have one already. Would the bigger problem be the Reivers? I don't play particularly, but I haven't seen them getting much good press.

They have a bunch of special rules to get around. 6” scout, deep strike, ignore vertical distance. But when they get where they need to go? Kinda don’t have the weapons to actually do much.

GW has been tweaking them since they came out. Never really made them worth it IMHO. Which is a shame, as they look pretty cool.

 Flinty wrote:
Plenty of scope to defray the costs by selling the new Tiggy on e-bay for £20 if you have one already. Would the bigger problem be the Reivers? I don't play particularly, but I haven't seen them getting much good press.

They got bad press because on release they were billed as the primaris assault marines (which they are not good at), then they were immediately relegated to 3rd best phobos boltgun squad when incursors/infiltrators made them redundant. For the actually important job of scoring points though they are really good, as they are kind of cheap, slightly more mobile than normal, and you will never regret having them prioritise doing actions instead of fighting.

 Flinty wrote:
Plenty of scope to defray the costs by selling the new Tiggy on e-bay for £20 if you have one already. Would the bigger problem be the Reivers? I don't play particularly, but I haven't seen them getting much good press.

Hachette is still selling him for £14.99, so that's not going to work!

Isnt it just like GW to put bladeguard in a box shortly after they announce new fancy honor guard.

 Fayric wrote:
Isnt it just like GW to put bladeguard in a box shortly after they announce new fancy honor guard.

Same thought.

Nothing wrong with BGVs. They are lovely models. If I didn’t already have 9 that would be a draw for me. Or would have been if we didn’t know the Victrix are on the radar. But I agree most Ultra players are going to want the chapter specific hotness over these.

So we have a chapter specific named character with a unit most people who play that chapter will treat as second class over a bespoke chapter one.

This box has a lot of mixed messages going on. I suspect it will not sell great.

My kingdom for a box of DW shoulderpads including:

10x Tacticus/ Firstborn
10x Phobos
5 or 10x Terminator/ Gravis

WAY more necessary- two termie pads on an upgrade sprue is lame- you need three frames to create one 5 man unit of termies!

It's fine.

The ecranche is way too big for that Intercessor though.