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 LunarSol wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Most likely. Curious what they do with the Impulsor.

Very little, its occupies a different space due to capacity.

A strictly inferior space only justified by being able to transport Primaris where the Rhino cannot.

How is serving as a mobile firing platform full of Hellblasters/Infernus/Desolators inferior to a Rhino?

Grot Week https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zkictn6p/new40k-grot-week-reveals-day-1/


I'm not as hyped for him as I'd have liked to have been. The ear(s) look far too small, but we'll see...

I'm positive I'll find something useful for my raven guard in the armageddon set. If the orks are partucularly spectacular I might even get the entire thing after years of not buying any starter.

One perk of combat patrol as a format is that it lets you use the other half of the launch box without needing to invest more into it. Assuming they follow from the patern of 10th/AoS.

I'll say this: I will stay active in 40k as long as the majority of models in my 6 marine armies have rules. If it's Legends, that's fine. If I can do reasonable counts-as (Bolter Marines for Intercessors, or Assault Marines as Intercessors with Jump packs) that's okay too.

If they EVER Squat more than 20% of my forces, I'm just out. I'll just play 11th.

ccs wrote:


How is serving as a mobile firing platform full of Hellblasters/Infernus/Desolators inferior to a Rhino?

Pumping up the difference in firing deck is definitely a potential avenue. Good call. It's just not something that's seen a lot of play since it was introduced as the cost of the two doesn't seem quite worth it.

Rhino - no frills box, high transport capacity.
Razorback - nice guns, small transport capacity, passengers can’t do much
Impulsor - meh gun, some alt options. Small transport capacity. More perks for passengers.

There is a bit of overlap between razor and the impulsor. Besides having them on the shelf and not being done painting my impulsors, I don’t see a lot of reasons besides tradition to field the old razor. If we keep rhinos I’ll just pop the turrets off (never glued them) and roll them out as basic metal boxes.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

Yeah, this is basically it for me. I've been at this on and off for 35 years and if it doesn't have Tactical, Devastator and Assault Marine squads, it ain't 40K. From here on, it's alternate/homebrew/old rules that don't lock out any of my existing models instead of the incessant and accelerating churn of the 'official' rules/models.

Yep would be the end for me to.


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 Lord Damocles wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Tacticals assault and Devs exist in some way across the army. Devs got split into several units, while Tacticals are just intercessors and Assault squads are Jump pack intercessors

That's missing the point entirely.

Yep. Its a core part of the model range in a universe sold on being decaying and not moving forward.

40k hasnt been decaying for long time, part of the revamp of the world is it going forward

If they keep rhinos theres a good chance they will see a new updated model this edition. Or maybe not.
I always liked Drop pods but the updated ones seems like a step back.

 cuda1179 wrote:
New Valrak rumors: looks like ALL firstborn units, except the Rhino and Land Raider, are going to Legends.

Does this mean Primaris can now ride Rhinos?

They remove Baal Predator and we riot.

all of those will be back with fresh kits when GK get their overhaul

Vaguely disappointed that the grots in the starter box seem to just be alternative sculpts for bog-standard grots with grot blastas, not a new, more interesting, grot unit with something like the old autoguns (and therefore enough range to actually achieve something other than just being a cheap objective-grabber).

 LunarSol wrote:

ccs wrote:


How is serving as a mobile firing platform full of Hellblasters/Infernus/Desolators inferior to a Rhino?

Pumping up the difference in firing deck is definitely a potential avenue. Good call. It's just not something that's seen a lot of play since it was introduced as the cost of the two doesn't seem quite worth it.

Oh it's worth the cost.
The Impulsor is tougher than the passengers, can gain an ++ save if you take the shield (I do), can freely absorb the hazardous damage from Hellblasters, and can be healed by a TechMarine. A Tech Marine who can heal it T1, then hitch a ride in it so as to be in position for future turns.
And it comes with a few guns of its own for chip damage. Slightly more deadly if you opt for the missile system instead of the shield. (Me? I opt for making it as hard to kill as I can.
Then when the foe does take it down? The main source of firepower simply dismounts & keeps right on shooting.

 LunarSol wrote:

ccs wrote:


How is serving as a mobile firing platform full of Hellblasters/Infernus/Desolators inferior to a Rhino?

Pumping up the difference in firing deck is definitely a potential avenue. Good call. It's just not something that's seen a lot of play since it was introduced as the cost of the two doesn't seem quite worth it.

My understanding was that the "inferiority" being referenced had nothing to do with rules, and everything to do with the fact that Primaris hover tanks look like hot garabage compared to proper treaded tanks.

I'm the type of guy that doesn't care how good or bad a unit's rules are: if the model is good, I buy it. If it isn't, I don't.

 Nevelon wrote:
Impulsor - meh gun, some alt options. Small transport capacity. More perks for passengers.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the Hellblaster/Infernus/Desolator squad it's carrying. :( They far outshine any gun a Razorback can mount!

ccs wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Impulsor - meh gun, some alt options. Small transport capacity. More perks for passengers.

That's not a very nice thing to say about the Hellblaster/Infernus/Desolator squad it's carrying. :( They far outshine any gun a Razorback can mount!

That’s under “more perks for passengers”

 PenitentJake wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

ccs wrote:


How is serving as a mobile firing platform full of Hellblasters/Infernus/Desolators inferior to a Rhino?

Pumping up the difference in firing deck is definitely a potential avenue. Good call. It's just not something that's seen a lot of play since it was introduced as the cost of the two doesn't seem quite worth it.

My understanding was that the "inferiority" being referenced had nothing to do with rules, and everything to do with the fact that Primaris hover tanks look like hot garabage compared to proper treaded tanks.

I'm the type of guy that doesn't care how good or bad a unit's rules are: if the model is good, I buy it. If it isn't, I don't.

Oh I'm right there with you in not buying models I don't like.
The Impulsor? While I don't love it, I also don't dislike it enough not buy & use it. And its lack of tracks? Like the Taurox & it's stupid looking tracks instead of wheels, this model can also be fixed....
If I wanted a tracked Impulsor badly enough I know enough people with printers. Or I could just do the conversion work the good old fashioned hard way.

 Insularum wrote:
It would be a great time to just make a Primaris vehicle upgrade set and make use of the better HH Rhino models (Diemos Rhino with pintle mounted ironhail stubber or whatever)

GW unfortunately is moving in the exact opposite direction.

Just ask the very happy players who bought the new plastic Leviathans, Kratos etc, which were vigorously advertised for 40k mere weeks before GW tossed them into legends hell forever.

 PenitentJake wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

ccs wrote:


How is serving as a mobile firing platform full of Hellblasters/Infernus/Desolators inferior to a Rhino?

Pumping up the difference in firing deck is definitely a potential avenue. Good call. It's just not something that's seen a lot of play since it was introduced as the cost of the two doesn't seem quite worth it.

My understanding was that the "inferiority" being referenced had nothing to do with rules, and everything to do with the fact that Primaris hover tanks look like hot garabage compared to proper treaded tanks.

I'm the type of guy that doesn't care how good or bad a unit's rules are: if the model is good, I buy it. If it isn't, I don't.

A bit of both. I think in 10th in particular GW has recognized the value of the hover tanks being more ranged platforms and the treads having more of a melee or front facing focus. The Repulsor in particular REALLY never touched the land raider and the Impulsor's limited transport capacity hasn't worked as a budget melee delivery either.

In terms of aesthetics, I've actually really come around on the hover tanks as someone who has hated them since 8th. Part of that is committing their role to the long range backline but also they just look significantly better in person than they do on the web. GW really likes focusing on the hover aspect by taking low angle pictures of them that focus on the hover aspect. On the table they really fit in with the rest of the marine aesthetic quite well. For a bit I was running a list with 2 Rhinos, a LR, 2 Gladiators and a Repulsor and really liked how it divided them up into ranged and assault roles.

Devs in the box or something else? Two guys with blue helmets at the front.

exanimus wrote:
Devs in the box or something else? Two guys with blue helmets at the front.

Spoiler:

Heavy bolter gravis eradicators apparently.

Would have been great if they'd redo Intercessors etc. to be like a Tactical squad (getting to take other weapons) and a Primaris Devastator squad (a real one, with choice of weapons). Especially if they're going to Legends the firstborn.

Wayniac wrote:
Would have been great if they'd redo Intercessors etc. to be like a Tactical squad (getting to take other weapons) and a Primaris Devastator squad (a real one, with choice of weapons). Especially if they're going to Legends the firstborn.

Rumors were that WAS the original intent, but it got shot down by higher ups. They'll likely save room on the sprues since they won't need 30 different styles of bolt rifle magazines anymore. That space is likely now taken up by a sword, fist, and hammer. A single plasma weapon or missile launcher would have been nice though.

Unfortunately GW has direct financial incentive to not make it easier to proxy in your discontinued models.

Same reason why the minimum unit size of units like Raveners and Stealth Suits is now larger than what you have if you had their previous box.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Unfortunately GW has direct financial incentive to not make it easier to proxy in your discontinued models.

Hmm, let me think about this....

Nope. I won't have any problems proxying my existing first born.

*Guys with bolters = Intercessors
*Guys with plasma guns/plasma cannons = Hellblasters
*Guys with flamers = Infrrnus
*Guys with heavy bolters = new Guys with stupid names & heavy bolters
*Guys with missiles = Desolators
*Guys with lascannons = ? Eliminators if nothing else
Grav cannons? Well, I only have 4 grand total. If grav isnt an option they'll just be Hellblasters.

I MIGHT put them on larger bases.
No guarantees there though as nobody I play with gives 2 s that 99% of them are still on 20mm bases. So....

And thats assuming they dont have Legends entries. If they've Legends stats? Then they fight on as-is.
See how easy that was?

ccs wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Unfortunately GW has direct financial incentive to not make it easier to proxy in your discontinued models.

Hmm, let me think about this....

Nope. I won't have any problems proxying my existing first born.

*Guys with bolters = Intercessors
*Guys with plasma guns/plasma cannons = Hellblasters
*Guys with flamers = Infrrnus
*Guys with heavy bolters = new Guys with stupid names & heavy bolters
*Guys with missiles = Desolators
*Guys with lascannons = ? Eliminators if nothing else
Grav cannons? Well, I only have 4 grand total. If grav isnt an option they'll just be Hellblasters.

I MIGHT put them on larger bases.
No guarantees there though as nobody I play with gives 2 s that 99% of them are still on 20mm bases. So....

And thats assuming they dont have Legends entries. If they've Legends stats? Then they fight on as-is.
See how easy that was?

It's well known that works for ccs works for everyone. No chance any playgroup might not want to use Legends or have stricter rules about proxying.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Vaguely disappointed that the grots in the starter box seem to just be alternative sculpts for bog-standard grots with grot blastas, not a new, more interesting, grot unit with something like the old autoguns (and therefore enough range to actually achieve something other than just being a cheap objective-grabber).

The old grot kit did need a refresh, but agreed on more grot units- transfer grot tanks to plastic and add grot snipers that are occasionally mentioned.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Vaguely disappointed that the grots in the starter box seem to just be alternative sculpts for bog-standard grots with grot blastas, not a new, more interesting, grot unit with something like the old autoguns (and therefore enough range to actually achieve something other than just being a cheap objective-grabber).

I'll join you in commenting on the Grot, since it's clearly one of the most important miniatures in the new box, and far more interesting than debating (again) the relative virtues of tracked and grav vehicles.

I agree that the new Grot is a bit disappointing, being just an improved version of the current blasta-wielding model. I also wish GW wouldn't add flimsy spikes to helmets - they're guaranteed to snap off at some point. But arguably he has more character than the slightly revamped Marines we've seen so far. Grot units definitely need a bit more variety - perhaps some kind of semi-effective special weapon, or some Squigs to accompany them?

I have full faith the Kommando Grot can do more in the current edition of KT than any other type of Grot would in 11th. I also have a feeling any grot packed with an Ork unit(save for Makari) will only be part of a Golden Demon entry.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
Unfortunately GW has direct financial incentive to not make it easier to proxy in your discontinued models.

Same reason why the minimum unit size of units like Raveners and Stealth Suits is now larger than what you have if you had their previous box.

To be fair, Tyranid Warriors are the same unit size, and you don't have to make one of them into a Prime at the cost of not having the minimum.


..... the only catch is that they won't let you... (checks notes)..... proxy that warrior you call a Prime as such anymore....

 JNAProductions wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Unfortunately GW has direct financial incentive to not make it easier to proxy in your discontinued models.

Hmm, let me think about this....

Nope. I won't have any problems proxying my existing first born.

*Guys with bolters = Intercessors
*Guys with plasma guns/plasma cannons = Hellblasters
*Guys with flamers = Infrrnus
*Guys with heavy bolters = new Guys with stupid names & heavy bolters
*Guys with missiles = Desolators
*Guys with lascannons = ? Eliminators if nothing else
Grav cannons? Well, I only have 4 grand total. If grav isnt an option they'll just be Hellblasters.

I MIGHT put them on larger bases.
No guarantees there though as nobody I play with gives 2 s that 99% of them are still on 20mm bases. So....

And thats assuming they dont have Legends entries. If they've Legends stats? Then they fight on as-is.
See how easy that was?

It's well known that works for ccs works for everyone. No chance any playgroup might not want to use Legends or have stricter rules about proxying.

It would work for all of you.
It's my hope that enough people eventually get so severely burned by having their toys moved into Legends that they'll abandon their stupid anti-Legends stance for general non-tourney play.