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First time I have wanted to buy a White Dwarf in a while. Seeing the allied Chaos army has our household in full celebration mode, not having to wait for Legions or other nonsense to get our real Daemons back is awesome!!!

And people used to bitch about Iron Warriors.

L-O-fething-L!

Charax wrote:
3 HQ slots as well, seems like ally FOC slots are in addition to the primary force.

Makes you wonder what the downside is

I'm betting the two forces act independently. No benefitting form transports, special rules, etc. No benefitting from the "Warlord" rules of the main force. No separate "Warlord" for the allies....

This looks really good, the idea of 'Psychic power cards' means my Chaos Sorcerers and Daemon Princes may not be as weak as they are now in the Psychic power department!

Can't believe I have to remind everyone of this but... Keep in mind that WD Battle Reports often do not actually showcase the rules as written. I wouldn't use the lists or BR to try to predict anything about 6th.

Dragosanii12 wrote:

Charax wrote:
3 HQ slots as well, seems like ally FOC slots are in addition to the primary force.

Makes you wonder what the downside is

Scottywan82 wrote:
I'm betting the two forces act independently. No benefitting form transports, special rules, etc. No benefitting from the "Warlord" rules of the main force. No separate "Warlord" for the allies....

still those sides aren't especially "down" but hell ive always been in favour of allies in any case, I genarally only play with firends and have always allowed acceptable allies in 40k games, if your playing with the kind of people who are likely to abuse these new rules, you have to think should you really be playing with them at all?

Well, we're not sure how much of a perk it is wit those Warlord rules, nor if I'm right about the only limitations. There could be others I don't know about.

So... about Fortifications. I know I'm most likely wrong on this, but does anyone feel that GW has seen Battlefront's 'Battlefield in a Box' series (and by expansion, buying Fortifications for lists in-game) and said, 'Hey, we can do that, too'?

Maybe. Im plan on setting up "defense lines" with my Battlefield in a box Crystals for my Necron force.

Nitros14 wrote:

tuiman wrote:
Untill the new codex arrives shortly after 6th, and they get nerfed

More likely Noise Marines get buffed I think.

I agree with you.

I have ALWAYS thought that is how it should have been. Keeping all those guys still just to shoot a ML, please. If I had an assault rifle in a fortified building I would get at least two shots off through the scope before moving, and one while moving.

Thousand Sons are the Bolt-gun Champions, improving how they are used is buffing up the Thousand Sons. I don't see them used much and this will make Chaos players what to buy them and shift their lists for the better shooter.

Thinking like GW, Thousands are metal, so they cost a ton more. Meaning GW makes more money. Tons of new tank rules will shift players back to infantry meaning, more infantry on the table, more money. The tank markers might be incorporated but it won't be necessary. Kinda like how the much older starter box had trees and ruins. Maybe GW will put tank markers in the 6th Ed Starter box instead.

I miss allies rules. I got into 40K with 2nd edition when I had a small Space Marine force, which then had a Battle Sister contingent that grew into a full army, and an Eldar contingent that grew into a new army. In 3rd I started over with a Chaos force that went on to have Kroot allies

I *love* that allies rules are back, and that they don't seem to have any crippling downsides. Allies encourage the building of new armies, which in turn net GW more money, and they mean people don't have to wait a huge amount of time for new stuff because they can add new units to an allied force when it gets updated.

6th Ed teaser #3 is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKi6Y5EFRIA&feature=player_embedded


I like this one a bit more. While there's a lot of rehashed art, there's also some fabulous new artwork displayed.

Is all that artwork new? I don't recognise a lot of it.

That would, at least, be something by way of content

As far as I'm aware your Allies provide you with one extra FOC slot of each, with 1 HQ and 1 Troop being mandatory.

Harriticus wrote:6th Ed teaser #3 is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKi6Y5EFRIA&feature=player_embedded


I like this one a bit more. While there's a lot of rehashed art, there's also some fabulous new artwork displayed.

Dat' Dawn of War 2 music!

New art looks great.

I like the ally rules from a modeling perspective. Sure it may horrible abuse the metabase, but I am excited for the possibilities of small 1HQ/1Troop additions.

Has there been a link to an ally matrix or something? I haven't been able to find a link, and scrolling through 30 pages while I'm at work...

Also, I too am having trouble with the ally rules as a concept. In addition to my IoM armies, I field Tyranids and Orks, neither of whom would have any obvious allies. It just feels like those armies (with Orks being my focus lately) get a whole lot less out of what we've "seen" of 6th...

streamdragon wrote:Has there been a link to an ally matrix or something? I haven't been able to find a link, and scrolling through 30 pages while I'm at work...

Not yet.

No ally matrix yet. I wouldn't sweat it until we see the real rules.

streamdragon wrote:
Also, I too am having trouble with the ally rules as a concept. In addition to my IoM armies, I field Tyranids and Orks, neither of whom would have any obvious allies. It just feels like those armies (with Orks being my focus lately) get a whole lot less out of what we've "seen" of 6th...

I wouldn't worry about it. This is GW we're talking about. If they've got to twist the fluff to give them an advantage in the game (and in sales), you'll probably see at least Orks allying with someone. I'd even put money down on Tyranids getting at least 1 ally.

Most people are basing it off of an Allies matrix that was in a somewhat recent doubles tournament pack on their website. But nobody really knows so far what is actually in the new book.

kronk wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Has there been a link to an ally matrix or something? I haven't been able to find a link, and scrolling through 30 pages while I'm at work...

Not yet.

There is also a matrix in the back of the apocalypse rule book that might be give you a rough idea. Obviously that's rather old and it's completely possible that it will be different in the 6th rulebook though.

infinite_array wrote:

streamdragon wrote:
Also, I too am having trouble with the ally rules as a concept. In addition to my IoM armies, I field Tyranids and Orks, neither of whom would have any obvious allies. It just feels like those armies (with Orks being my focus lately) get a whole lot less out of what we've "seen" of 6th...

I wouldn't worry about it. This is GW we're talking about. If they've got to twist the fluff to give them an advantage in the game (and in sales), you'll probably see at least Orks allying with someone.

Orks "allying" with people isn't actually unheard of. They'll work as mercenaries for shiny things/guns--and then use those after the battle to beat you upside the head.

I'd even put money down on Tyranids getting at least 1 ally.

I wouldn't. The only way you'll see something even remotely close to Tyranids "allying" is that old method of "Two enemies fighting in the same time/place".

Harriticus wrote:6th Ed teaser #3 is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKi6Y5EFRIA&feature=player_embedded


I like this one a bit more. While there's a lot of rehashed art, there's also some fabulous new artwork displayed.

While I like the artwork, this is a lot of buildup for just an announcement. Who ever heard of announcements for an announcement? Wouldn't it be simpler to just say the followign items will be on sale on the 23rd and do one big announcement on or before that day?

Teasers are not unique to GW.

Kanluwen wrote:

I'd even put money down on Tyranids getting at least 1 ally.

I wouldn't. The only way you'll see something even remotely close to Tyranids "allying" is that old method of "Two enemies fighting in the same time/place".

Genestealer cults exist in Human, Ork and Tau societies, and they fight alongside Tyranids in the early stages of an invasion (before they get nommed for biofuel)

Not that I imagine for one moment GW will actually remember this, or acknowledge it in rules form

Do you know what I find funny? Even with all this leaked stuff floating around the forums GW is still releasing teaser videos. Here is the link to the newest video. Enjoy

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=2700178

Charax wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

I'd even put money down on Tyranids getting at least 1 ally.

I wouldn't. The only way you'll see something even remotely close to Tyranids "allying" is that old method of "Two enemies fighting in the same time/place".

Genestealer cults exist in Human, Ork and Tau societies, and they fight alongside Tyranids in the early stages of an invasion (before they get nommed for biofuel)

Not that I imagine for one moment GW will actually remember this, or acknowledge it in rules form

GW remembers Genestealer Cults.

It's just they likely remember how silly they were as well, with limos on the battlefield and fat guys in chairs commanding mutants with sunglasses on.

Charax wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
But do you notice something about the Chaos army?

Heavy Support:
1. Chaos Predator
2. Defiler
3. Land Raider

Then... Heavy Support again, for a fourth time, with the allied Soul Grinder. So that's four HS slots thanks to allies. Hmm...

3 HQ slots as well, seems like ally FOC slots are in addition to the primary force.

Makes you wonder what the downside is

Probably just the annual price adjustments to the models' costs.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And people used to bitch about Iron Warriors.

L-O-fething-L!

And they had good reason AT THAT TIME. It's not valid to bring up decade old complaints against a build using a codex and rules two editions out of date and compare it to what you don't even currently have yet. I personally don't like the introduction of allies to the normal/standard 40k game but, like other gamers, I'll simply have to get used to it.

Synister_Intent wrote:Do you know what I find funny? Even with all this leaked stuff floating around the forums GW is still releasing teaser videos. Here is the link to the newest video. Enjoy

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=2700178

Do you know what I find funny? Even with the video already posted only half a page above you, you still think you were being clever. Here is the link to the guy who beat you to it. Enjoy!

Kanluwen wrote:
GW remembers Genestealer Cults.

It's just they likely remember how silly they were as well, with limos on the battlefield and fat guys in chairs commanding mutants with sunglasses on.

Careful... thems fightin' words up in Canada with MajorTom!