Hey guys,

So after an inspiration from Zambro's (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/555215.page) White Scar blog I decided to start my own (half way through) and would really appreciate any feedback, suggestion etc plus general motivation to carry me along.

Task force (from Hunt for Voldorius) is

Kor'sarro Kahn on Moondrakken
Command Squad on Bikes
Chaplain on bike
Stormseer and 3 Codiciers on bikes
6 10 man bike squads
10 man Scout squad with snipers and cloaks
2 Devastator Squads
3 x 10 man Assault squads
8 Rhinos (for some reason)
3 Predators
1 vindictaor
and then.............10 (yes10) Thunderhawks.

Due to outrageous costs and size I will be sporting only 1 Thunderhawk but will accompany it with 3 stormravens and 6 Stormtalons.

As you can see from the picture the bulk of bikes and tanks are done. I have the ravens and talons but not yet built and am getting the T hawk in a couple of weeks when 1500pts of this army will be painted and attending Throne of Skulls at Warhammer world. (WIP for t hawk will start shortly after)

This will be GW's first tournament with the escalation and stronghold rules allowed and will be intersting to see how a fluffy non LoW list deals with it (melta,melta,melta)

Anywhoo comments and critiques please guys

Ta

I think the rhinos are in there because all tactical marines have bikes or something like that so they are the rhinos attached to those squads for when they don't ride in bikes, although someone please tell me if I'm wrong. Shame about not being able to afford the thunderhawks really, because that would look so bad-ass on the table, ah well.
Best of luck and looking forward to seeing more

Young Logan

Impressive goal. Looking forward to how it comes together.

10 thunderhawks would be insane. And cost you the best part of £4000

And i didn't realise GW's tournaments allow the new expansions. I've not looking into them much, but it would surely create some crazy lists?

Zambro wrote:
And i didn't realise GW's tournaments allow the new expansions. I've not looking into them much, but it would surely create some crazy lists?

Yes unfortunatly, well at the Throne of Skulls events at Warhammer world. The lists can be so silly. e.g aquila strong point with macro cannon, storm sword, cotez manning the macro cannon.... Yeah really silly. There is probably a discussion thread in the news and rumours section though.

Young Logan

Yeah, couple of people taking a revenant with shield generator. I figure that in turn 1 I'll be that close in them that they won't be able to hit me with silly guns as they would be hitting themselves.

Ten hawks would fill the table but look immense. I may do 2 depending how the first one turns out.

Will post some close ups of converted command squad and chaplain tomorrow and maybe have the bases finished. 2 storm wing boxes have just arrived tho so may distract my focus.

Ta for the comments guys, keep em coming.

Pics as mentioned before I have tea...

Will the command squad be white? ...priming them black doesn't seem so helpful...

Yeah, will all be white bar the chaplain and the stormseers right arms. I prime black then airbrush 3 shades of grey up in highlights before doing 3-4 thin layers of white. It adds a just visible pre shade to the white armour. Done the same with the vehicles too. The apoth will be red with white helmet. Not sure what I'm putting on the standard yet.

I wouldn't do the whole apothecary red, that's more of a tech marine colour, although not sure how I would do it though. Maybe do one arm in red and put the symbol on that shoulder pad.

Young Logan

I like that idea Logan. I read somewhere that the apoth's were red in scars but seeing as the stormseers only have a blue arm then maybe the ey should just have a red arm. Nice advice ta

McManiak wrote:
I like that idea Logan. I read somewhere that the apoth's were red in scars but seeing as the stormseers only have a blue arm then maybe the ey should just have a red arm. Nice advice ta

Wayback machine time.

I just looked up the old RT article where medics were introduced. There was a picture of a White Scars apothecary in the color section. His armor was red, except his helmet, backpack, and left shoulder, which were white. His right shoulder had white armor studs and trim, but was mostly red.

There is precedent for apothecaries painting one arm red. I'd have to dig around to find the reference though.

Cheers for that mate. Sounds like the picture I've seen. Maybe do both arms red?

So it was a wierd weekend for me. I was working so didn't get much hobby time but I did manage to resist the shinny box temptation and not build the flyers.

I have until the evening of the 16th Jan to finish my 1500pts and so far do not have a completed model yet so need some motivation.

I have managed to finish the bases as you can see fro the pic but wonder whether I should add some grass tufts to them (not sure if there would be grass in a post apoc ruined city tho) and have now pin washed the post shades to all models.

I have split them into batches of about 5 models to try and attack each night but am really up against time now so we will see.

Basically I have a lot of white models with black wash......


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1500 pts list breaks down like this

Kahn on moondrakken
Lib on bike with lvl2 and sheild eternal
3 5 man squads on bikes with 2 flamers
2 bike squads with 2 meltas and attack bike with multi meltas
triple las predator
vindicator with siege sheild
skyhammer stormtalon
Las stormtalon

All sergants have melta bombs

Thoughts???

That's a lot to do in not a lot of time. But if you've already done the base/wash, you just need to pick out details. Best of luck making your goal!

From a list standpoint, there are a few things that stand out to me.

Flamers on bikes IMHO are the worst option available. I might keep one squad, just in case you run into someone that needs to be burned out. I'd run a mix of grav and melta squads (2x or the same gun in the squad, not mixed weapon squads) If you don't have grav weapon bits, go with plasma; it's still a good choice.

Siege shields look cool, but are a waste of points unless you are in terrain a lot. If I need to drive through some rough, I just put my faith in the emperor and hope the 1-in-6 chance doesn't come up.

Do you need melta bombs on every sergeant? Particularly the melta bike squads. You have hit and run, the odds of getting stuck in a CC where you would need them are low. I'd rather see combi weapons on half your sergeants then melta bombs on all.

While the LCs on the talon are fine, I don't think they are worth the points over the skyhammers.

This is a massive undertaking given the timeframe, so good luck with that.

The list is ok, but as above, there are a few cases where I'd change things up. I'd keep MB on the squads that don't have melta, as they're going to be in trouble near a tank, whereas the melta squads already have the AT firepower, and if 3 meltas don't kill or cripple a tank, then you're just having a bad day.

Also, I'll second swapping at least one flamer squad for plasma (I find it more useful than grav, personally) but do leave one flamer squad, as with scout and a 12" move, there's a good chance you'll be able to get a good angle with the templates and do good damage early on.

As above on the vindi shield, unless you're intending to drive through buildings it's just 10 points paid to look cool.

Not sure on the shield on the libby, it might be too much for a guy you don't want in CC anyway and can LOS to in shooting.

Best of luck with getting this painted.

Wow, I'll be subbing to this, I'd love to see how this turns out ;D I agree, don't do the entire apothecary red as it is a techmarine colour, maybe give him a red arm and helmet or something ;P Or a red shoulder pad inset with the symbol on it

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Wow, I'll be subbing to this, I'd love to see how this turns out ;D I agree, don't do the entire apothecary red as it is a techmarine colour, maybe give him a red arm and helmet or something ;P Or a red shoulder pad inset with the symbol on it

<rummages through google images>

Ahah, here we are, saves me the trouble of dragging the camera out for a blurry picture:

Go old school! Techmarines were done with yellow accents, hazard stripes, and a hand motif. Not red, and none of this new-fangled AM cog nonsense either.

Curmudgeonly old-timer rants aside, differentiating the apothecary from the rest of the white/red gang is an issue. You might look to his bike for an answer. Possibly keeping the rider the same, but reversing the color scheme on his steed. If you do go with the RT markings, I expect to see a beakie helm on that guy.

Thanks for the input guys it helps/hassles me

I agree about the flamers being too much but have experienced a lot of hordes that when covered with templates really help. On the other hand maybe 6 is TOO many. I originally started playing with Dark Eldar and fell very foul of flamers so probs comes from there.
I won't take plasma as every time I have I roll 1's followed by 1's so gave it up as a bad idea.
Grav don't work for me as I like to keep things fluffy where I can and this section of the task force comes from The Hunt for Voldurius which as with all pre Sept 13 fluff does'nt include Grav. Also thats the reason the seige sheild is in there but I had not even thought about dropping it (now I wil) and finally the melta bombs were more of a points left over thing so that I had something for tanks and MC's in CC.

As for the Libby he has the sheild for the 3++ and EW. With lvl 2he can cast either Pyschic shriek or the re roll on melta and then still use his force sword in combat was the thought.

Only reason for Las on the talon was an AA option that can crucify heldrakes and the like.

Perhaps if i drop the seigesheild and put another squad to melta instead of flamers with the points I will stand more chance againt the effin Lords of war that will be there.

On the note of the apoth I will look at it in a few options but defo agree with the beakie helmet and will swap that soon.

Tonight I am going to try to detail a flamer squad so will hopefully have some photos tomorrow.

Looking for some suggestion/opinion on the tanks too. Should I just have a red stripe going through the groove at the back or I was thinking maybe the whole back red in a diagonal stripe covering half the exhust port but leaving the back door white??


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Thinking on it I can drop a flamer squad and replace it with another attack bike melta squad if i take out the siege sheild and melta bombs off melta sergs

McManiak wrote:
Thanks for the input guys it helps/hassles me

I agree about the flamers being too much but have experienced a lot of hordes that when covered with templates really help. On the other hand maybe 6 is TOO many. I originally started playing with Dark Eldar and fell very foul of flamers so probs comes from there.
I won't take plasma as every time I have I roll 1's followed by 1's so gave it up as a bad idea.
Grav don't work for me as I like to keep things fluffy where I can and this section of the task force comes from The Hunt for Voldurius which as with all pre Sept 13 fluff does'nt include Grav. Also thats the reason the seige sheild is in there but I had not even thought about dropping it (now I wil) and finally the melta bombs were more of a points left over thing so that I had something for tanks and MC's in CC.

Where are you getting your force list from? Does it break down what each squad has in the way of weapons, or just list squad strength. Just trying to figure out how much wiggle room you have for gear. Anything not explicitly listed can be filled in with what you need. If there are plasma guns listed in there that you refuse to use do to bad luck, you could probably swap them out for grav guns without problem. Fluff is a flexible thing, GW ret-cons stuff all the time. We won't begrudge you a little yourself. I'm sure if they re-do that force list with the new codex in mind, there would be some grav in there.

Your probs right Nevelon and there is no mention of loadout in the book so can put what I like i suppose. Just not sure about the grav. Thinking cap is firmly on now. Plus If i change anything then I now have more white and wash to do aarrrrggghhhh.

I knew about the tournament ages ago but kept building other things instead of painting like chaplains or Nurgle reaver titans. Bottom line is that I prefer building and converting to painting I suppose.


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I am hating that I have stopped building my titan tho :(



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Well I've not done the batches I suggested I would but have started to fill the black on all the bikes and have done all the capes in base red. I have to be honest just basing the capes gives the colours such contrast that it has surged my enthusiasm and I now can't wait till tomorrow night when I can add the rest of the base colour. Will upload the photo of capes tomorrow as my iPad doesn't seem to like photos for some reason. (Probably and Apple control thing).

Night folks

Pic as promised. They look crude at the moment but I have faith that I will get them cleaned and to a good standard (I hope).

Tonight will see the other red areas, metalics and some detail that needs adding so should have a minimum of base coat or I made just finish a full squad.

Thoughts and suggestions welcome as always and thanks for all the comments so far. Not long until the Thunderhawk (*stop thinking about it Martin and get on with the task in hand*)

Sooooooooo, I have just got back from games night at my local GW and have changed the list up as suggested above by some of you guys.

Dropped the siege shield, dropped a flamer squad and melta bombs off the other 2 melta units. Added another unit plus attack bike with mm and 2 melt as. Played my cousin who is also going next week and although I lost on points it was an epic game with bad dice rolls on both sides, me not getting more than a wound with a total of 9 melta shots and Neil rolling 3 1's in the same time for lookout sir and losing 3 wounds off his lord on juggernaut.

End result is I now have to paint another attack bike and another 2 melta bikes.

As for painting I have done most of the base coat on most of the bikes and am still on track to have them finished for Sunday leaving till Thursday to do the ranks, talons and characters. Cutting it fine but it is looking okay.

Will get some pics up later or tomorrow of where I'm up to now.

Also gonna drop las on talon but don't know what to spend my spare 24 points on? Thoughts???

McManiak wrote:


Also gonna drop las on talon but don't know what to spend my spare 24 points on? Thoughts???

Toys for your sergeants? Combis if they lack them, or if Khan is planning on joining their squad and heading into CC, a power weapon? If you are not planning on keeping any shooting powers on your librarian (depending on what chart you use) an auspex can be nice to have.

Or just add another bike to one of the squads.

May give 2 of the Sergs combi meltas for the extra tank popper. Can't do auspex as the Libby either uses psychic shriek or is in combat. That will take care of the points then. On with the painting then I guess.

Pics as mentioned. Not much further on from the last pics but have swapped out the flamers for another attack bike and 2 melats so now need to base them. I am hating the black pannel trim but will get through it by Sunday night. Out tonight and tomorrow so not sure if there will be any more progress. Got to tidy the white edges up too.

Been thinking more about the tanks and talons and reckon I will go with the back quater in red of the tanks on a diagonal slope and a solid stripe following the line of the tail fin on the talons. Thoughts and suggestions definetley welcome on this though please.

Have a good weekend people

Coming along nicely, you've managed to get a lot done in a relatively short space of time. Although the details will probably slow the process up a little bit I imagine

Young Logan

Cheers mate. I have now also just found out that with immediate effect you can use forge world and imperial armour models and rules (including experimental) at the tournaments so I'm even more screwed than originally. Effin GW screwing up again....

Looks nice and neat.

I wouldn't worry about FW too much, most of it is no more powerful than a lot of codex stuff (Triptides, Serpent Spam, Aircrons), and a good deal of it is arguably worse than the codex equivalents.

The biggest danger is unfamiliarity, but it's your opponent's responsibility (And good courtesy) to explain exactly what everything does before the game starts, and your right to ask, so be sure to clarify what you're up against and it should be fine.

Yeah I know it's not all that bad. My problem is just that at 1500 points I have written a balanced fluffy list cos they bleat on about it being a friendly tournament rather than a tiered table over competitive one. Maybe I'll go to the next one with my thunderhawk and see what happens. I'm probably just moaning and over annoyed at the prospect of dropping £60 on a ticket to face up to the super heavies........although with 6 meltas 3 multi meltas and 3 combi meltas I may be ok. Might be a nice extra 3 vp's I suppose. Hopefully no servo skulls to stop me scouting close up hahahahaha

Hi guys,

Busy day for me yesterday. I had all sorts on over the weekend so took yesterday off to try and get back on track for the tournament (one day I will not leave it till the 11th hour to have an army ready).

As a result of getting blurred vision I have finished the bikes to a basic tabletop standard and have also started on the tanks and talons.

The overall feel for my Scars is that they have been on 'the hunt' for many years so would not be factory white and as such have a dirty feel to them. I have to still go in and touch a few white areas up and if time permits then I will add highlights etc.

The red on the vehicles is different to normal scars livery as I wanted them to be unique to me and will run this through the entire task force??

Still got transfers to add and the washes for the metallics on the tanks/talons but here are some shots of where I am up to.

Also got to do Kahn and Qan Karro (stormseer) so will probs wash the vehicles then start on them tonight.

It is fair to say that by virtue of starting this blog it has pushed me to complete the army and I appreciate all the input and support people have given me.

More tomorrow??????

I like the red mark for the vehicles. Really nice.

Cheers mate. Wanted something different from the norm. Was tempted to do the engine surrounds like yours but then thought of this.

I think the red back will balance the otherwise front-loaded detail of the talons and vindis. Looking good.

Nice looking force there. Should be nice and impressive to put on the table, and the red on the vehicles works nicely to break them up.

Cheers guys. The thought of doing another 50 (ish) bikes depresses me but hopefully the thunderhawk will fit inbtween and keep my motivation going.

Working till past midnight last night (this is like challenge Anneka if anyone is old enough to remember that) and as a result of tiredness I forgot to take photos.

What I have done though is come into work today and realised that unless I have some sort of plan in place I will not finish everything. Therefore I have jotted an actio plan down (yes, an action plan for painting toy soldiers, oh dear) and put projected times next to everything. The plan looks more than it is and if all goes well then the army will be complete within 5 hours work. I will get 4 hours done done tonight which leaves the final prep tomorrow which is Pinning the bikes to the bases and putting on the transfers.

Fingers crossed.....

I wish you luck with your deadline

And no pressure, but you know what the say about the best laid plans...

Hahahaha, I thought that too Z. i've already cut my hand today. Not badly but kinda makes me think of tempting fate and all that....

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..............

Probably wont get a chance to post anything till after the tournament now as i'm leaving early tomorrow and my ipad wont upload photos. I had another late night last night (1:30am) but i have all but finished.

I still have to apply transfers and pin bikes to bases but other than that there are a few touch ins to do (the white on pred and a serg is missing guns on his bike), plus put the cockpits on the talons and such, but in general I can take them as done.

These are nowhere near how I wanted them to end up and after the tourney I can re address things like weathering and extra detail etc.

Really happy with the battle aged 'dirty' feel of the army but really unhappy with the stormtalons. I will do better on my next 4 I promise.

I'm not going to win any competitions for painting with these but they should look nice on the table.

Comments and critique welcome as always and I will let you all know I got on next week. Lets hope (and pray) that I don't get too many cheesey players and I have some fun.

Thanks again guys for all the comments, the fact that I started this blog has made me get finished as I feel the need to keep updating and next week the new project starts...............White Scars Thunderhawk...................shall I do a youtube vid as well or just a wip blogg????

Lot of progress. I like the reds on the vehicles. Sponsons and LCs on the pred look good. I wouldn’t have done the front of the talon’s engine in the gunmetal though. I normally reserve that for guns and exhaust.

I know it’s a gripping page turner, and he can’t put it down, but if your librarian doesn’t close that book and pay attention to the battlefield, he’s going to crash.

Good luck at the tournament!

Hahahaha, brilliant. Although I reckon he is riding with his mind so will be ok haha. If all else fails then he is rocking a sheild etrnal for if it goes pear shaped.

Cheers mate

There is nothing more satisfying that looking at a whole bunch of bikes lined up ready to go

The red on your vehicles looks great. I wish i had done something like that for my STs.

Cheers Z. I think I aggree with Nevelon about the engine surrounds though and may paint them either white red or black even. Not till after the tourney tho.

Whens your tournament? and what one is it??

It's a good shout repainting the engine surrounds. I was going to suggest it, but Nev said it and i didn't want to pile onto it

I plan on going to the Storm of Iron. it's the 22nd/23rd of feb. I've not purchased tickets yet, i'll probably get them in a week or two

Well, this is as good as it gets. Re did engine surrounds but not put any transfers on (will come back to them)

Not as good as I wanted but they never will be. Do we all suffer from that? ?

Sorry about the washing in the background.


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Don't know why pics have loaded upside down either.... Sorry...correct way if you click on them

Morning guys,

WOW what a throne of skulls that was. 108 players and only 12 Super heavies. (I managed to avoid them). One guy had a c'tan (nasty as hell) plus a macro cannon.........TFG...........2 revanant titans which fought each other on the last round, turn 1 of player 1 and it was finished....

I played in order

Sons of Guiliman and got a close win. James is a studio painter for GW and you can see his space wolves in the codex and scars in the 5th ed codex.
Ravengaurd and ended up with 1 serg running around doing nothing. Adams ended up passing me his cursed tin of dice as I was the only person who lost to them. (he beat a necron flyer list with 7 scythes with new dice)
Grey Knights was a win for me although to be fair to James he has only been playing for a few months and was a great opponent.
Iyanden list with an Avatar scared the hell out of me initially but the Scars prevailed ad took the victory after Kor'sarro heroically/stupidly charged the wraithknight and made 3 inv saves 1st round but got squished in round 2. .......not without stabbing the WK's foot with a 6 causing an instant death that failed inv. DOUBLE WARLORD DEATH
Final game was Chris Paynes Ultramarines. After a long scrappy battle I handed victory to Chris before game end as I was silly and getting wound up (If you read this Chris then I apologise if I seemed off. I was upset with myself and needed to stop playing) but indeed it was a good game and Chris went on to win best Marine player (doffs hat)

So 3 out of 5 was not a bad result. Would I do anything different????? Nah it was all good and really enjoyable.


Some photos of the battles are below and when I get some time tonight/tomorrow I will put some photos on of my huuuuugggggeeeee Forge World box with lots of goodies (you know about the Thunderhawk but I went a bit FW crazy) that will see me running multiple threads. Marines, Tyranids, Chaos and 30k..........

C&C as always guys

You won more then you lost and had a fun day, what more can you ask? It’s always fun to watch two well painted armies clash.

Any lessons learned to apply to the rest of your construction?

I lol'd at the Khan / wraithlord death

Sounds like you had a great weekend, i'm jelous.


....And please, please, please show us what you got from FW!

Nev, I learned that scouting is not always the answer and that titains (played one on the friday night in a friendly) are no match for my small units with mobility. The fact that I threw more melta than a mechanicum factory and a vindicator at it meant that it was a short lived thing.

Z, it really was a great weekend. May do a battle brothers next one......as for the FW I may take some pics tonight. For teasing purposes think of the terminus est, also maybe think of Papa nurgles number 1 son and the rest you will have to wait hahahaha

O.o Already lining up the next tourny? Nice, thats the spirit! When is BB? And who'd you team up with?

Nice work getting this army finished so fast, and getting a decent result at the tourney as well. Looking forward to seeing where this goes with added FW goodness.

Forge World pics as promised.....

There are also some battlesuits in the box that I picked up for someone else


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The Typhon model is beyond amazing. The detail is really good. I'm going tyo magnetize his head options so I can use him as typhus for my Nurgle and Typhon for my 30k Deathgaurd.

Deathshroud and Gravewardens are so much better than my deathgaurd terms and I will magnetise the guns on the wardens so I can use therm in noth 30k and 40k

Deimos patterns will be done in deathgaurd colours for 30k and also useable in my Nurgle apoc army

I really do not know what to say about the Great Unclean One

I will start the thunderhawk soon and continue this thread for the WIP

The Tyranid was given to me and is an amazing part of the old bust series. It stands about 6" high and the detail is so deep.

I will eventually start a chaos threrad seperatley as I have over 8k points to build and paint with some really heavy conversions to do. I will most likeley run them along side this one so that I don't get to bogged down with one project.

Any comments or even suggestions and questions are welcome

Martin

Wow. Thats alot of FW good-ness.

The GUO blows my mind every time i see it.

And that tyranid bust... Is so cool! I've never seen it before.

Nice haul! Now paint up a bike chaplain, you are obviously sliding down the path into heresy and need the guidance. Actually, with that much stuff “sliding” is not the right term. Galloping maniacally is more like it.

Nev, I genuine just lol'd at that comment. I started to build my chaos army before my scars but got sidetracked with bikes.

You have given me an idea tho. I will run a poll on what to paint next. That will motivate me enough to finish everything and I'll start a chaos wip too. The winning vote on each poll will be the concentration of my hobby time.

First of all I need to find out how to do the poll and secondly would it be fair to add the thunderhawk and reaver Titan to the poll?? Maybe they should have their own poll, sort of a super heavy build and paint off....

Very nice.

Cheers man

Nice haul, looking forward to where this goes.

Poll us up on the first page for you to decide what I do next.


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For scale purposes

Scale

Oh, wow. That tyranid is massive!

I wasn't expecting it to be that big :O

Also, I voted assault marines. Mainly because the past day or two I've been thinking about the potential of a full assault marine unit in a biker army

I've got 30 assault marines to do so if they win I will be very busy. May just do 1 squad if they win

Just sawed and basic filed the main fuselage of the thunderhawk so have dry fitted it and it's not yo badly warped.

Going to mark out all the magnet and pin points tomorrow before I wash it all in the bath. Going for a similar buil to hazard syndrome on YouTube. Check his vids out, the nightlife thawing looks amazing.

Will take a photo of dry fit and load up tomorrow.

Dry fit of thunderhawk fuselage before magnets or wash....

I'm excited to build this (plus it looks like I may be building some Stormravens due to the poll) and will post as it goes along. Tonight will see either some more cleaned up pieces or the pinning and magnetizing of weapons/wings.

Ideas, C&C welcome as ever


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Bit of a plug guys but check out www.TiatanTerrainStudio.com for some really cool custom terrain and objectives. I won their xmas comp and am having either some White Scar or Nurgle ojective markers made up. They are a sort of sister company to Blue Table Painting and have a Youtube an, FB anfd Twitter account set up. Get on it...........Shameless plug over........

Well, I had every intention to do some more work on the thunder hawk tonight but got wrapped up watching man utd getting beat in the semi final so did squat. Oh well. Taking my nids (old codex) and white scars to a new club tomorrow so will see how I get on there. Anybody local t the northwest should pop down. Club is wardens of the north and us in the Wigan soccer dome by ASDA from half 6 til half 10. It's a new club so needs some love....

See you tomorrow guys

Oh btw voting finishes tomorrow night an there are only 12 votes cast, you don need to comment just click a vote. Assault marines and storm ravens level at the moment.......

Sorry to any utd fans but thus is hilarious

Hey guys, so i'm sat in work (obv very busy) and thinking about the assault marines. Should I have them off the ground i.e. on pins so they look like they are flying or should I just have them on raised rubble etc to give the image of height and balance. Not sure if I am a fan of the 'wire' but thought I would ask your opinion....

If you have any flight stands kicking around you could use the clear rods and then not need the wire.
Or any clear plastic or Perspex.

Hadn't even thought of that Dantay. Nice idea. I've got 30 to build so may mix them all up to keep it dynamic.

Thanks for the tip

I only have 10 or so, 1 group of 5 is like a sequence shot... 1 coming in to land 1 touching down, the other crouching , next is starting to leap forward and the last is airbourne again leaning very forward as if to rugby tackle someone.

So yes a mixture of poses can look great and I think you should mix it up for balance, besides if all were airbourne, you could never hide them in cover haha...

I don’t know how you feel about drop pods, but you might want to magnetize some backpacks so you can swap as needed.

While more orky, I’ve seen some very cool stuff using spray foam insulation to make plumes of smoke.

Personally, I’d just keep them on the ground. Varying the amount of stuff on the base would change up the heights.

Ok, I just had a totally impractical idea. Make each base a section of wall, with the marine crashing through a window a few inches up. Line them up so it looks like the squad is breaching a building.

Nev that is an amazing idea. 10 of them are definately doing that. without question......

The rest will get mixed up as suggested. Looks like these are winning the votes so I am gonna be sick of them soon.

Packs are getting magnetized for the purpose that I may take DP's but don't fancy them at the mo. I have magnetized all my dev's too so I can swap them out.

Must hit the cities of death box of ruins and such tonight and see what I can find.

Ta guys

 McManiak wrote:
Nev that is an amazing idea. 10 of them are definately doing that. without question......

The rest will get mixed up as suggested. Looks like these are winning the votes so I am gonna be sick of them soon.

Packs are getting magnetized for the purpose that I may take DP's but don't fancy them at the mo. I have magnetized all my dev's too so I can swap them out.

Must hit the cities of death box of ruins and such tonight and see what I can find.

Ta guys

I hope the “amazing idea” you are talking about is magnetizing the backpacks, not going through the wall. You people need to stop listening to what I have to say before I finish my morning coffee. Because as far as impractical, hard to pull of ideas go, that one takes the cake. Using bits of ruins as improvised flight stands might be a little more feasible. If you do try it though, be sure to base your marines with shattered stained glass fragments. Bonus points of you can rig it so some are still falling off the frames.

Lets just say they were always getting magnets..............

Don't stop typing before coffee. Your inspiration kills me but pushes my boundaries. Bring on the wall (now with stain glass). There will be some interesting pics soon no doubt.


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Assault marines it is then

20 mixed bases and heights and 10 bursting through a wall of stainglass windows, oh dear......

While you are taking irrational requests:

I’ve always wanted to see an assault marine veteran sergeant with a power spear. A two handed overhead stance, point down, ready to impale some poor sap at the end of his jump. Bonus points for having the spear actually stuck in someone, using that to support the marine in flight.

Looking fab so far! I'll definitely sub to your pre-heresy thread


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 Nevelon wrote:
While you are taking irrational requests:

I’ve always wanted to see an assault marine veteran sergeant with a power spear. A two handed overhead stance, point down, ready to impale some poor sap at the end of his jump. Bonus points for having the spear actually stuck in someone, using that to support the marine in flight.

THIS

Nev, I think as brother of bone said

THIS

I will do it, maybe even coming through the wall.

Will have to be either a cultist or an Alpha Legion though

I can't resist a challenge.

Done zero work tonight as I have been at gaming club.

My nids got slaughtered by white scars then my scars got beaten by a point by nids.....proper tables reversed situation but me losing twice. Don't help that I forgot my alien dice so rolled badly with my scars dice for them.......#blameitonthedice

Firstly, I wish you luck on your Assault marine conversions. The concept is excellent, and the execution is... undetermined I have every faith that you'll pull it off, well.

As for the games... Thats amusingly unlucky

Thanks Z, I think haha...


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Hey guys just got myself a new set of 4 Winsor & Newton Series 7 for £32.99 with free postage on ebay. Cheapest i've seen them for a while. Seller has a few in stock by the looks of it. Come in a presentation box too

Heres the link http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360715687559

Sat in work (busy again) looking on google images for some inspiration for the base of my thunderhawk and i'm at a loss.

So in the spirit of the rest of the thread I will ask you guys for some input and suggestion (no stained glass on this one Nev) for some ideas. I have ordered the 20mm clear rod and bought a 10" round wooden base. What shall I do? Ruined building/buildings, just barren terrain with maybe a crashed/wreked vehicle or something completely different?

I am open to all sorts of wierd and wonderful suggestions as you can tell from previous posts and dont mind a challenge as long is is within the realms of possibility.

Throw it at me guys

Just an example attached.....

One thing about basing is that it ties your army together. So I would not stray too far from what you have. With your sotrmtalons you’ve built up a pile of broken asphalt/concrete/shale whatever that matches your bikes. With the larger base for the t-hawk, you could continue to do this. I think you might want to add a little something to spice it up though.

What are you trying to portray with your base? On the bikes, I just assumed you were doing an urban/ruins base. But looking at your talons, It might be more of a rocky scree, like the aftermath of an avalanche. Although with enough shelling, I suppose a building could end up in a pile like that.

If you do want to go urban/ruins, add some more intact buildings. Or and actual stretch of road, with lane markings and curbs. If you are going to the blasted wasteland, some stunted trees or scrub might help break up the grey. With either one, dead bodies always add a splash of color.

You could add some friendly forces as well. A scout with a camo cloak hiding in ruins on the base would add a bit of contrast. Possibly having just set off a colored smoke grenade to help mark the LZ for the t-hawk.

I think a wreckage of an enemy flier on the front end of the base with a creator running to the back of the base to show where it pounded out a ditch in the ground. Would look like the t-hawk shot it down as it advanced. Maybe even a scout squad with shotguns advancing in a semi-circle to execute the survivors. I think that would be suitably awesome.

Zambro wrote:
I think a wreckage of an enemy flier on the front end of the base with a creator running to the back of the base to show where it pounded out a ditch in the ground. Would look like the t-hawk shot it down as it advanced. Maybe even a scout squad with shotguns advancing in a semi-circle to execute the survivors. I think that would be suitably awesome.

Crikey, there's more money in that base than there is in the actual model itself x'D

Love the scout with the smoke idea mate. How would i do the smoke though??

Going for just urban ruins on the bikes and the talons are only packed so high because I had to hide the nut for the threaded bar . Other talon bases will be more like the bike ones but still higher. Perhaps a stray bit of building or iron bar.


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The downed plane works for me too Z (only saw it after I replied to Nev)

I am all for spending money on the bases. I am working on a heldrake at the moment that is the picture from the CSM codex so my base is a Vendetta/valkerie so thats a £41 base that still has a base under it.

Would need to be an Alpha Legion ship so maybe a talon or even a storm eagle rear if I can find a broken one for sale on ebay or the likes.

 McManiak wrote:
Love the scout with the smoke idea mate. How would i do the smoke though??

Going for just urban ruins on the bikes and the talons are only packed so high because I had to hide the nut for the threaded bar . Other talon bases will be more like the bike ones but still higher. Perhaps a stray bit of building or iron bar.


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The downed plane works for me too Z (only saw it after I replied to Nev)

I am all for spending money on the bases. I am working on a heldrake at the moment that is the picture from the CSM codex so my base is a Vendetta/valkerie so thats a £41 base that still has a base under it.

Would need to be an Alpha Legion ship so maybe a talon or even a storm eagle rear if I can find a broken one for sale on ebay or the likes.

Cotton wool :3

AArrrggghhhhhhh...........I can't touch cotton wool.(hair standing on end just thinking about it) so may have to come up with something else.

Also have thought that maybe i could have the marker/flare going off with a wrecked tank (easier to come by) which would suggest that the scouts flagged the TH and it destroyed the tank and is flying over.

Question is though, does that mean I need flames coming off the tank/flyer??

Why do I do this to myself. I have just ordered perspex to make stain glass windows and am now thinking of setting fire to vehicles


AArrrggghhhhhhh.

 McManiak wrote:
AArrrggghhhhhhh...........I can't touch cotton wool.(hair standing on end just thinking about it) so may have to come up with something else.

Also have thought that maybe i could have the marker/flare going off with a wrecked tank (easier to come by) which would suggest that the scouts flagged the TH and it destroyed the tank and is flying over.

Question is though, does that mean I need flames coming off the tank/flyer??

Why do I do this to myself. I have just ordered perspex to make stain glass windows and am now thinking of setting fire to vehicles


AArrrggghhhhhhh.

I know exactly how you feel with the cotton wool x'D I have the same thing about puff pastry, apple skin and candy floss.
But anyway, a guy at my local GW did this:

I like the idea of the downed craft, sounds cool, or a bombed out tank?? With dead bodies hanging from the hatches.... Could do a scout in cover still as he was the one calling it in haha... Andthe rest of the squad advancing in past it or on it checking for survivors.... As if it was a command rhino?

The other idea I had was probably way too out of left field.... Ever watch world war Z & the zombies begin makinig a ladder (more like a big pile) climbing atop one another to get over the top.... How about something similar with plague zombies or nids trying to climb up to the Thunderhawk on top of each other. As if the Thunderhawk has just lifted off after extracting a valuable asset.... Have the front hatch or hatches open with marines blazing away at the mountain of foes below.... Even maybe some zombie nids clinging to the sides somewhere??

Like I said, a totally nuts idea and maybe not in the realms of possibility!!!


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Could you use expanding foam for smoke or would it be too 'rounded'.

I used to see some people use wire wool, but more for fire than pure smoke

Those bombed out tanks look awesome.

Could do something with LEDs for the markerlights or flares? (getting adventurous now )

Zambro wrote:
Those bombed out tanks look awesome.

Could do something with LEDs for the markerlights or flares? (getting adventurous now )

Haha, I was very surprised to see such good quality.
I also have a picture of a Heldrake and two of those DA flyers having an aerial duel above, the Heldrake is falling with bright green go coming out of its wing, and the 2 flyers are badly damaged.. It looks amazing x'D

Bob the tanks are cool, may use something similar

Z I would be tempted with LEDs but just can't get into them so will fig something else out.

Dantay the zombie idea is amazing and actually do-able plus could be used for the stand but I don't think this is the model for it. You may see that feature on my chaos army (heldrake maybe) but not here.

So, I've decided that a crashed flyer with the trench left behind is the way forward as suggested by Z, and will put some sort of ruin with the stand coming out. I will pose the TH in a banking position and will also have scouts with the marker/flare advancing to finish the crashed crew.

Thanks for the input again guys, always appreciated and please keep the suggestions coming for any aspect of what I feel has become "OUR" Task Force....

You mean "MY" taskforce.
*BLAM*
HUAHAHAHAHA

Your using my idea... *blushes*

How will you do the trench? (Scratch building things is way, way over my head)

I'll use cork and also filler (great for adding weight to the base for counter balance) then just bits of GW terrain for the ruins. I've got a couple of imperial sectors that I can pinch bits from. Sand, stone, cork and filler for the rubble and mounds and I have a few spare craters from the GW set so will trim one of them to make the final resting place of the downed craft.

Was thinking about the assault marines last night and may try a few trimmed down panels from the shrine of the Aquila set for windows. Just break them across the 10 bases so they fit together for display but can still be transported should they ever get a game. Ordered the stuff to make the stain glass and will put a few cultists inside the building with one being impaled by a power spear or chainsword. If I pull it off they will look epic if I don't then.........

Can you not use clear plastic, like from the clamshells the models come in then use Tamiya or humbrol candy/translucent paints to do the stained glass? Then just cut the plastic to suit

Yeah, similar to what I've done. I've got some Perspex that I will spray different colours on then smash with a hammer to get the shards.


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I hate washing few resin....

Part way through priming

...Isn't black the wrong end of the colour scale for white scars?

There are alot of pieces... dont lose any

Yeah man, painstaking process of 3 shades of grey then 4 coats of white. I keep telling myself it will be worth it...

 McManiak wrote:
Yeah man, painstaking process of 3 shades of grey then 4 coats of white. I keep telling myself it will be worth it...

If only they'd invent white primer!

...wait a minute, it exists!

Hahaha, yeah mate but coming up from black I can get the pre shades coming through the white. Doesn't really show on camera but just gives a deeper look to an unshakeable colour.

What do we think to a huge red/yellow Aquila on each side of the hull coming from the side doors?

Another silly request:
You could probably freehand the Khan's face onto it somewhere, or whoever the leader of your brotherhood is :3 That'd be sweet

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Another silly request:
You could probably freehand the Khan's face onto it somewhere, or whoever the leader of your brotherhood is :3 That'd be sweet

It;'s not a silly request but one I will decline. My freehand is not great and defo not for portraits.

Have not done much this weekend as my son has been with me (did take him to the lgs and let him play the scars which meant he desroyed some nid and necrons. He was a happy lad but still wants to do Ultra smurfs (sorry Nev).

Had a bad migrane yesterday so only primed a few more pieces of thunderhawk and played with dry fit. (lots of zoom zoom noises).

On the plus side the postman has just been to work and dropped off, Perspex, 20mm rod, more magnets and my new Winsor & Newton series 7.


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Oh and the voting poll is still running (not sure why) and the AM's are still top so I have no excuse but to crack on with Nevs idea...

As i'm bored in work (again) I have written out the Task force (need to put names for characters in but they are at home in the book.

This is the basic loadout for the task force but the Bike units for gaming purposes will have another Serg in each squad so that the melta flamer becomes useable, unless my apoc opponent is happy to let me run 2 extra special weapons in a 10 man squad haha.

Lot of work to get through really when you consider what is not painted :(

Well guys, it's been a few days since I've updated anything. Been busy with work, kids and planning a freakin wedding (or at least pretending to be interested in planning it) so not done much. Have painted up the cockpit area of the thunderhawk and just need to glue it together tonight and highlight the stairs etc. Have also magnetized the turbo laser and drilled the hole for the stand. Obviously when drilling a hole in a model as expensive as this you would believe that I'd measure twice drill once........nah......hole is somehow off centre but tbf will enable me to give a banking pose that I want.

Will put some pics on either later tonight of most likely tomorrow.

On the note of the AM's I have looked at the window scene and reckon that I can do it. The problem I have is that it will look strange in my task force so I was gonna drop the idea until I realised I had an extra box of AM's so can for them. May do them in a different chapter (to break the monotony) and thought of either, imperial fists, alpha legion, or salamanders. You guys can help me decide???

Alpha legion? ALPHA LEGION?!? Where is your chaplain you filthy heretic? <BLAM!>

Sigh, ok, now that we’re done with that…

If you are going to go with a second codex marine force, I’d go with Imperial Fists. They are more traditionally a solid gunline, which would make a nice counter to your highly mobile White Scars. They are also classically used in siege and city fights, so an urban/ruins theme to base the whole contingent would be thematic (not just for the AMs)

And if you are going to have some chaos marines going boot-first though the stained glass windows of some Imperial cathedral, I have two words for you: Word Bearers. Death to the False Emperor! Glory to Chaos!

<BLAM!> <BLAM!>

See what you’ve started? You really need to get a chaplain done to keep you in line. Or at least a librarian to help sense the foul taint that keeps popping up around here.

 Nevelon wrote:
Alpha legion? ALPHA LEGION?!? Where is your chaplain you filthy heretic? <BLAM!>

Imperial fists make sence to me. They are the traditional seige fighters, slugging it out in cramped urban areas.

Alternatively, Blood Angels could be fun, it would open you up to a whole new codex...

Hahahahahahahaha, brilliant......

Alpha legion was because that is who are working with Voldorius in the book that spawned this project. I also have to admit that the Scars are a strange trip for me as since being a young lad all those years ago, I always collected the baddies, I was the Empire in Star Wars, the Decepticons in transformers, Venom in M.A.S.K. skeletor and his horde in he-man and mum-raa and his henchmen in thundercats and so on....(trip down memory lane there, Nev you should remember them)

Fists would work tho and the sharp contrast from a shattered ruin on the yellow will look immense. The only problem us that I will end up liking them and building an IF army then + :(

Hmmmm... Fluff wise, not salamanders. They are not known for using assault troops I believe.... In the days of yore, they had a rule called cold blooded or some such, they were supposed to be slower reactions than a normal marine.
Imperial Fists would be a nice splash of colour too, they could be fighting side by side, like in the siege of terra.
Prior to thhat the Khan was fighting alongside the Wolf before. He left for Terra and the Wolves held the Alpha Legion in place.
Plus there are the HH stries with Alpha's killing scars, so I would suggest these 2 armies too.
If were going to really push it then go Alpha... You could then do White Scars with a twist..... Like in deliverance lost, or Urban camo Alha's springing an ambush...
So I say make them Alpha Legion!!

 McManiak wrote:
Hahahahahahahaha, brilliant......

Alpha legion was because that is who are working with Voldorius in the book that spawned this project. I also have to admit that the Scars are a strange trip for me as since being a young lad all those years ago, I always collected the baddies, I was the Empire in Star Wars, the Decepticons in transformers, Venom in M.A.S.K. skeletor and his horde in he-man and mum-raa and his henchmen in thundercats and so on....(trip down memory lane there, Nev you should remember them)

Fists would work tho and the sharp contrast from a shattered ruin on the yellow will look immense. The only problem us that I will end up liking them and building an IF army then + :(

Ahh, the 80’s, smells like nostalgia and cheep plastic.

If the Alpha Legion has some fluff tie, by all means go with them. But once you stat another paint job, you are doomed!

You are quite right about starting another paint job. I have decided that I will paint the White Scar AM's as normal and then make a diorama at some point seeing as I have bought the stuff to do the windows. May still do fists or Alpha Legion but will put it on the back burner for now. I have to finish a whole heap of Scars a complete 10k of Nurgleness and still have to put paint to my Eldar that I am currrentley playing with as a break from scars.

Anyhoo, pics of the cockpit attached and I'm happy with the progress I made last night. All the bits of interior are now glued and ready for final fit after hull is painted. I also mixed some epoxy resin last night and set the top hull, tail fin and engines etc together ready for the 'up to white' process to begin this week. Hopefully will have the hawk painted by the end of the week and can start on the base and weapons, landing gear and misc bits.

I’ve never seen pictures of the inside of a thunderhawk before. Did not realize the amount of detail packed in there. Looks awesome!

Same here, there is loads of detail in there and you have done a great job with it too. Looking forward to it all coming together.

Thanks guys. Yeah there is loads of detail. I'm going to make it so the top comes off and you can see inside. The assault ramp opens for the lower detail too.

To echo the previous comments: thats a lot of detail in there!
I had no idea there was so much

That's 30 assault marines built (in part) and primed ready to bring up to white over the coming days. Will feel like a huge chunk done when these guys are painted.

Great project,
The attack bikes look good on a 60mm base, the MM is magnetized, ignore the mold lines, lol;

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Here are my Khans; this one was a bitz bash 15 min competition and I had to order the wheels from GW, lol...

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and the boring Khan

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again, looking good, keep it up!

Cheers rex,

I officially hate drilling bolter barrels. 30 just for the AM's man. Bad times.....

Been busy with more wedding phaff so not done much (other than bolter barrels) but am off this weekend (woop woop) so will endeavor to get the AM's and TH white!!

Pics soon!

Drilling bolter barrels is like painting eyes, only for a Golden Demon, lol... Our naked eye cannot see bolter barrels or eyes from 3' away...

Hahaha, your probably right but I'm a stickler for it. Got to do the 72 PAIRS of bike bolters at some point

Hey guys, been a while since I put any photos up.

Here are som almost white shots of the AM's and TH. 1 more layer should hopefull do it befor i shade the panel lines.

I have also clipped and cleaned a Stormraven which I need for my 2000pt list so will hope to get that white over the next few days.

There is a certain satisfaction seeing that many AM's almost done for the monotonus part. The red black and gold detailing should be quite straight forward (I hope)

Put a photo of them pre primer that I forgot to load last week too.You cann see that I built half of them full and the other half I have made the decision to paint in bits and glue at the end.

C&C welcome as always

The TH is coming along nicely, looks to be quite smooth. That's a lot of Assault Marines.

Something went wrong with the photos so hope this works

your TH is coming along nicely. Such a good white considering it started black

Cheers guys. Yeah, bringing it up takes time but should be worth it.

Got to paint up the storm raven, 3 attack bikes 5 scouts and a rhino by have week Thursday, so may hold back on the TH detail for a week. Rhino, scouts and attack bikes are already almost up to white anyway so shouldn't be so bad.

Painting the storm raven before assembly so that the inside is detailed too...

 McManiak wrote:

Painting the storm raven before assembly so that the inside is detailed too...

Good call.

I've not really looked at my SR, what is the interiour detail like?

There are 2 hatches that will let you see inside and all sorts of consoles etc in there. I'm also painting the hull in 2 sections as one will be mostly red to match the talons so makes life easier (I hope)

 McManiak wrote:
Yeah, couple of people taking a revenant with shield generator. I figure that in turn 1 I'll be that close in them that they won't be able to hit me with silly guns as they would be hitting themselves.

Ten hawks would fill the table but look immense. I may do 2 depending how the first one turns out.

Will post some close ups of converted command squad and chaplain tomorrow and maybe have the bases finished. 2 storm wing boxes have just arrived tho so may distract my focus.

Ta for the comments guys, keep em coming.

thunder hawk looks great

Cheers mate, that brass scorpion is amazing. Have you seen hazzardsyndromes video on YouTube? He has done a night lords thunderhawk.

 McManiak wrote:
Cheers mate, that brass scorpion is amazing. Have you seen hazzardsyndromes video on YouTube? He has done a night lords thunderhawk.

Yes m8 I keep a close eye on him, As Im foing Pre heresy nightlords, World eaters and Machanicum. So people like him And Templars Crusade are great insparation.

A nightlord's thunderhawk sounds awesome. I tried to find it, but only came up with the storm eagle? Could you possibly share a link?

Here you go mate. I'm doing the same thing for the back of my hull with the bar and plate.

http://youtu.be/_0ElPPeKUDs

Full playlist of vids

Looking good :3 Can't wait to see that Thunderhawk! Did you have any issues with the casting?

Only slight warping on the fuselage and then the normal fixes you can expect. There were some quite deep mould scars tho but the have been filed and filled.

 McManiak wrote:
Only slight warping on the fuselage and then the normal fixes you can expect. There were some quite deep mould scars tho but the have been filed and filled.

Better than /every/ fire raptor ever then :3
Good to know that it's turned out well ^-^ Are all the guns and stuff resin too, or are there plastic parts?

Everything is resin. I thought the guns would have been plastic but to my joy they are not. More to clean though unfortunately

 McManiak wrote:
Everything is resin. I thought the guns would have been plastic but to my joy they are not. More to clean though unfortunately

I've never had a good record with resin, whether it be the FW stuff or Finecrap.
My Stormblade was completely warped and sank towards the centre.. It took me 3 hours. Oh well, can't be as bad as the Fire Raptor hehehe..

Quick question guys. I'm putting the majority of paint on the assault marines tonight and tomorrow and can't decide whether to paint the harness' red with gold aquillas or black with red. The chainswords are red and so are the helmets.

Help please guys...

 McManiak wrote:
Quick question guys. I'm putting the majority of paint on the assault marines tonight and tomorrow and can't decide whether to paint the harness' red with gold aquillas or black with red. The chainswords are red and so are the helmets.

Help please guys...

What color do you normally do the chest aquillas? I’d keep that consistent throughout your army.

I'm with Nev on the consistancy.

Aren't there harnesses on the AM torso's? A black aquilla next to a black harness strap might not look great. (Assuming your painting the strap black)

Zambro wrote:
I'm with Nev on the consistancy.

Aren't there harnesses on the AM torso's? A black aquilla next to a black harness strap might not look great. (Assuming your painting the strap black)

It's the straps that I mean sorry. The rest of the units have gold aquillas and I was leaning more to this so sounds like a plan. Just though that red straps/harness' witness red swords and heads may be too much. May keep them black??

What color do you do the belts and belt buckles? It’s hard to tell looking at just bikes. I personally do them in black, with a silver drybrush. I use the same for the jetpack harnesses.

If you are doing helms and swords in red, I think it might be a little much to do the harnesses red as well.

They are black dry brushed grey on the bikes. Yeah, I'm gonna go black on the straps too. Thanks for the input guys.

Save the overload of red for the special characters

Morning guys.....

Been a few days since I posted anything now and have'nt got masses to show you I'm afraid. Pics below are of the varnished white assault marines with basecoat blacks and reds. These will be assembled over the weekend and then washed/dirtied and highlighted. I have got all the shoulder pads to do too. The assembled ones still need the black detail doing as well.

The other bits you see are the stage 2 white (one more to go) pieces of the stormraven. I hope to get that sealed so I can spray the interior this weekend and get it assembled ready for next week. I have got to paint the scouts too as they are also in my 2k list for the league.

On top of my 1500pts I added a Stormraven with Hurricane Bolters and 7 Scouts with cammo cloaks and sniper rifles. Plus an attack bike squad of 3 with Multi Melta so need to do the black and red on them.

Going back to Throne of Skulls in May with potentially the same 1500 pt list but may tweak it here and there. Thought about dropping the 2 talons in favour of the stormraven????

Also I went up against Orks last night and made the school boy error of not knowing the codex. I officially hate Stormboyz now (they make me look slow) and the mob rule was something I just did'nt know.....
Prior to that I played an Eldar list that was very well written and included A Wraithseer, Wraithknight, 2 Wraithliords a unit of each wraith guard and blades. I simply went about it all wrong and couldn't deal with the amount of multiple wound MC's (bad playing on my behalf and well written by my opponent).
Well that is it till after the weekend guys, Thunderhawk is in progress but on hold for a bit until I finish these damn AM's..

C&C as welconme always

Assembled the other 14 marines (I seem to be missing a torso so will have to do 1 later) All still just at basecoat but thought I would put a pic up to re enforce to anyone who is trying to paint up a large amount of models that it is NOT a good idea to take on so many at once.

I really should have listened to earlier advice from the bikes and done these guys in batches of 5-10.

On the plus side they are nearly done and tbf 60 shoulder pads together looks quite cool.

Also did the blacks of the stormraven last night so that can get some interior detail done and hopefully be ready for Thursday.

The plan is to finish

30 Assault Marines
Stormraven plus base
10 Scouts
3 Attack bikes

All by Thursday if possible. All the above are at least white and just need detail and colour.....

Wish me luck (or doom depending on your state of mind)

That is a hell of a lot to do before thursday... good luck!

I have faith (or delusion) in myself....I think....

It doesn't matter if its not done as it's not a tournament just the club but I have to have the SR built and Scouts built so at that point I can use them.

Doing 30 at once seems to move from “fun part of the hobby” to “work” but kudos for pulling it off.

Ain't done it yet mate, but you are right. It does become work. I think I hit the point where I wanted them done so hit them at once. I have a massive amount of Nurgle to build and paint that has lots of converting and captures my interest so much more but if I start then all this will just get left. I have to finish it for the cabinet or it is wasted money, plus it I keep telling myself it will look cook when complete......

Reckon if I didn't start this blog I would have given up though. There is a sense of commitment to you guys to keep going...

Hey guys just a quick update.

I have deleted the AM's and the Scouts from the poll as they are all but finished now. Will assemble the painted scouts toight and put some pics on and then only have the bases and shoulder pads to finish on the AM's before finally putting some complete photos.

Have also finished the interior of 1 stormraven but will not be doing the base until the weekend so using a spare base for Thursday night. There is still weathering and transfers to apply too.

As you can imagine this means there has been NO progress on the Thunderhawk but I will endeavor to start that again next week too.

Pics up tomorrow morning and for all those who voted on the above then please feel free to vote for the next unit. (looking like remaining bikes at the moment, uurrrggghhh)

Ta

Martin

Hey guys,

Having trouble uploading pics of the completed scouts so will keep trying throughout the day. AM's are nearly done and stormraven is en route.

Played a few games last night and had a comfortable win against a warrior heavy nid army and then....

(Ant, if you are reading this then thanks for being a good sport, we won't forget this for a long time)

I played a Blood Angel list that could have been really nasty.

Ant started with a vindicator, predator, whirlwind and 7 terminators with an apothecary. Deployed together in a bunch and was to bring his sterngaurd down in a drop pod. He deployed first and so I was very cautious with my scout moves, seeking cover wherever I could.

I then rolled a 6 and seized the initiative and it went very quickly after that. My vindicator got rid of 6 termies with a direct hit and all my melta moved within range and popped every tank and termie left. I didn't even get to shoot my snipers :(

Game lasted all of 5 mins but the laughter lasted at least half an hour (from both of us)

Who said melta is dead????

Wow, that sounds crazy. I think you may have just redefined the principle of an 'alpha strike'! Good that your opponent took it well as well.

Did he forfeit? or was the sternguard killed on arrival? Not that it would have mattered as it would be a very uphill battle for him. The no units on table=game over rule checks at the end of the game turn, not player turn, so his pods should have landed.

I agree with you on the melta thing. While you can potentially kill stuff by stripping hull points, it take time and generally more massed mid-range fire then marines can put out. Melta kills stuff NOW and with just a few guys firing, leaving the rest to do other things.

Tell your scouts to stow their camo cloaks, turn off the jamming beacon, and fall in. Just because it’s their job to hide does not mean they get to escape photo-time.

That sounds like a crazy blood bath. Glad to hear it was taken well

Yeah, he just gave up but was good about it.

Scouts will be up as soon as my computer starts working and let's me upload. Been working on the stormraven today for a bit and have started to prime the other one plus the 4 talons ready for some flyer paint.

Looks like you folks really wanna punish me and get me to do the remaining bikes next. That is another 40+ bikes so I will do them in sets of 5 I think.

No devastator love though (not even a vote)......

I also need some motivation to get back to thunderhawk (it seems to be sat at the same point my reaver Titan is) but vow to get on with it soon.


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Tried to make cammo same as the bases. ..

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Interesting choice of colours on those scouts. They're not overtly White Scars, was that a conscious choice or did it just happen? Not too sure of the red on their mid-section. It seems out of place on an otherwise camoflauge scheme

Kept the white and red on chest as the cloak would cover it if they were in camo but went for the same colour as the bases for the cloaks and legs.

I like the scouts, they seem nice and muted as they should be. The cloaks match the ground very nicely.

Gonna throw the cat amongst the pigeons here guys but want your advice......

I still have an awful lot of scars to paint up as you all know, so was thinking that I also have 2-3 times as much Nurgle to paint. Read a thread on here earlier today that suggested working on multiple armies in small batches.

The question is simple, do I continue to stay on track and finish the scars iron do I mix it up?

Here's what I have in total that is bought and either built or part built

Scars. Chaos. Eldar
Thunderhawk. Reaver Titan. Wraithknight
4 Stormtalons. Great Unclean One. Wraithlord
2 Stormravens. Typhoon/typhus. 12 Wraithgaurd
2 Predators. 105 zombies. Wave Serpent
10 Devs. 28 plague marines. 2 spiritseers
Command squad on bikes. 10 death shroud and 10 grave wardens. Hemlock
3 Librarians on bikes. 3 held rakes and 3 blight drones. 8 Swooping Hawks
Approx 40 bike troops. 3 vindicator sand 3 predators.
Chaplain on bike. 20 raptors
20 plague bearers
Warp smith, Dark Apostle and Lord
2 demon princes (1 winged)
2 forgefiends
Warhound (not bought yet)

All the Eldar are base coated and so is the Reaver. The rest of the Chaos needs either building or priming with a whole lot of converting to do (zombies and held rakes in particular)

Thoughts please...

I'd say it's all down to what you feel like. I think you mentioned a page back that all the white was becoming a chore, if so then I'd say mix it up and do something else so you don't get fatigued. On the other hand, if you're in a bit of a rhythm as far as Scars go, then keep at them. There's also nothing to stop you building/converting Chaos up while continuing to paint the Scars.

Basically, just don't get bored, as the quality will suffer if you burn out.

Yeah, it's the burning out I'm worried about. Also if I finish the scars I'll be feeling the same way about the chaos I suppose.

Nearly finished the AM's and 2 ravens so may hit some Eldar or chaos after them. You may be onto something with mixing building the nurgle stuff whilst paint the scars. Nice mix.

The prospect of painting another 40 bikes literally chills me

Yeah, on a personal level I often like to have building going on between painting, just to keep things fresh. That way, I still keep working towards a complete squad/army, and once they're done I've already got the next lot built and ready to paint.

Just put a new blog up for my Nurgle CSM to run along with this one guys if anyone wants to check it out http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/581362.page
Cheers

I'll check out your newest blog now

What could work is doing 2 things at the same time. You have 40 bikes and 105 Zombies (wow!) so, for example, do 5 bikes then 5 zombies, rinse and repeat. Now, an alternative squad is enough of a change to be interesting and enjoyable to help you not lose focus. And you dont even need to go bikes, zombies, bikes, zombies... I guess what i'm trying to say is sprinkle something new and interesting between the laborious stuff to a point where it keeps you fresh

Thanks Z, how did day 1 of the tourney go??

Hey McManiak, this will probably sound creepy but I'm in Liverpool too and I was at the tourni and saw your army. Nice one!

Not creepy at all mate. Where do you game? And also what do you play? May have seen your army and not realised...

Back for TOS agin in May...


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Right, so I've just accepted an apoc game the day before the tourney at WHW so will be pressing on with valour to get these guys painted. I am still gonna build some chaos in between but have an inspiration to do the force now.

In front of me is the bikes as they stand without flyers or rhinos.

I aim to get the bikes all white today, along with the 2nd raven, and preds. Get the metallics done and washed along with AM's and put some prep into the bases too.

If the white dries today I'll put the red stripes on the ravens and tanks

Then it's blacks on bikes 5-10 at a time and a mass shoulder pad paint up.

Within a week or two I will have all the bikes (troops) done and the preds, ravens and AM's. That will leave the talons, command squad, chaplain, and codiciers. Still need to buy a fire raptor and 7 rhinos but I have a new wave of excitement now and will push on (unless the nurgle madness takes over me)

Mixing things up is good, but so is finishing up projects. It’s a hard balance to find. If you feel burned out or arn’t enjoying yourself, switch. Remember that we are here to have fun with the hobby. Looking at the last picture made me go back to page one to look at your start picture. Paint is spreading...

I like your scouts. Painting camo is hard. You want them to look subtle and blend in to the table, but that’s so visually boring. I use splashes of bight color on my scouts, even though they are in forest camo. I might go a little farther then you did with just the red. Maybe do the power cables in color. Writing this now made me realize what struck me as “off” with them. They are entirely greyscale, with the one singular splash of color. It makes them feel in progress, like you’ve gotten to the red part of the paint scheme, but stopped there.

Cheers for the feedback Nev. I looked at ways of splashing more colour onto them but couldn't put more than if if. I figure that Shen they are on a mission they would literally blend in so TH guns and everything have to stay greyscale. I know stat you mean about not finished though. If TH blend too much then I'll forget they are there...

I took a stompa and had huge fun randomly charging it round the battlefield!! And I should be at the ToS in May too, hard to miss me I have a Mohawk and lots of facial piercings!

I did see you mate. Did you play the revenant with the bastion? Lasted only a few mins? If so I played your mates Eldar,me pic game that one

 McManiak wrote:
Cheers for the feedback Nev. I looked at ways of splashing more colour onto them but couldn't put more than if if. I figure that Shen they are on a mission they would literally blend in so TH guns and everything have to stay greyscale. I know stat you mean about not finished though. If TH blend too much then I'll forget they are there...

When deployed in woods I tend to forget to fire my snipers more often then not. They’ve got a much better track record now that they take cover behind the ADL manning the quad gun.

But there are a few things I do to liven up my scouts, even if they make no real-world sense. (It’s Cinematic!™)

I use two different camo patterns. Hard armor is a DA green base, with black and brown stippled on it. Fatigues worn under the armor are a goblin green base with a black/brown faux tiger stripe pattern.

Buckles and other things (like the sarge’s chest eagle) are a nice, stealthy, shining gold. But I don’t worry about the glint giving away their position. The bright orange and yellow power cables for the rifles will do a fine job of that.

You could say that what I’m doing makes a mockery of the concept of camouflage. I like to think of it as an homage. Like a fashion designer taking inspiration from something practical, and turning it into the exact opposite.

Spoilering the picture, so my minis don’t go cluttering up your thread.

 McManiak wrote:
Thanks Z, how did day 1 of the tourney go??

All's well, i'm going to update my blog with a write up. It'll probably take an hour to write everything

I totally agree with Nev. Paint is speading. You have a huge collection that is being painted very quickly and to a great standard, you should be proud

And i'll be keeping an eye on the nurgle-y stuff. My eye caught a daemon model in the lgs today, it was totally bitchin'. Clearly it was nurgle-ish, with guts spilling out and various decay thingies going on, but it looks so sweet. Made me go look at a CSM codex and ponder the viability of Nurgle CSM/daemons, lol.

Do it Z, that is all I have to say....

Busy day yesterday. Got everything I have built, up to white (3 layers on some of them) so can start the details and washes over the week.

Seem to be reluctant to go near these AM's now for some reason so will make a concerted effort to either paint them or smash then up haha.

I thought I was seeing things at one point in the afternoon as I was getting snow blindness and couldn't tell if the white was coming out of the airbrush or not.
Anyway, all done now so can move forward,

Still got to build the Talons and the 3 Codiciers but will leave them where they are (in a box) for now.

Congrats to both Zambro and Nevlon on their tournaments over the weekend, you can read reports on how they got on on their threads.

It is always inspiring to hear other peoples reports and makes me realise why I do this hobby .

Happy Monday everyone...

good shout leaving some stuff unbuilt. If my pile of unpainted things gets bigger than 4 or 5 units I get de-motivated

Dont smash up the AMs. Just shelf them and come back to them.

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good shout leaving some stuff unbuilt. If my pile of unpainted things gets bigger than 4 or 5 units I get de-motivated

Dont smash up the AMs. Just shelf them and come back to them.

Good advice here.

I cringed when I saw you were doing 30 assault marines in one sitting. To me, it seemed madness. But I don’t use an airbrush, so cranking out large lots might be easier for you. I think the largest bulk job I ever did in one lump was a block of a dozen WHFB chaos warriors in one weekend. Somewhere through the second detail pass I was wiling to pledge my soul to the dark gods if I could just be done with the little buggers. Which was fine because they were chaos warriors, but you should avoid dark pacts when painting imperial troops.

But when your fun hobby becomes like a job, take a step back. Unpainted marines don’t go stale, they can wait for you. I’ve got a semi-painted IG primaris psycher sitting off the the side of my paint area. He’s been there since October I think, with a few layers on him. When I have a pot open of the right shade, and I’m thinking about him, he gets a little closer to being finished. No rush, no stress, he’ll get done eventually. But he’s not my focus, and I don’t feel the drive to get him done. I might do the same for your assault marines. Just keep a few out at hand. When you have a color out that they need, give them a quick pass.

Good advice as always

Yeah that was me mate! Tabled in 8 minutes. No way I could even hope to get a draw in that game so I thought why waste my time........CHARGE!!!!! Got to spend 2 hours looking in the fantastic miniature hall and the shop lmao! Hopefully get to catch up with you in May and have a pint of bugmans!

Defo mate. That lad with the revenant has written an even worse list now. He's from southport which us the store I game at, bit of a wrongun with his lists tho.

New club called Wardenps of the North in Wigan Soccerdome on Thursday nights 6:30-10:30 if you can make it. Only £3 plus extra 50p if you join the league that starts this week. GW vouchers fir 1st 2nd and 3 rd. chilled and no LoW.

Same message out to anyone ekes in the northwest. Dont have to okay league tho, plenty of other tables too.

Vincere Aut Mori...


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Morning guys,

I have the day off today with no gf or baby. No wedding crap and no jobs to do so I have a full on hobby day in front of me. I am in a good mood and feel inspired to get through as much as I can. On the table for completion are 2 preds, 2 ravens, 30 AM's 3 attack bikes plus I will have to do the bases for all the AM's and the ravens.

I have a plan and it involves coffee, good music and sheer determination. Can I do it???

About to kick it off with the red on the vehicles and then move with the plan....

First album will be Fortress by Alter Bridge (if you read this Neil it should make you happy)

I will update my progress periodically throughout the day and will keep checking on here for your (hopefully). Encouraging words...

Hi ho, hi ho, it's to the hobby table I go....

Wow, sounds like an epic undertaking worthy of legend if you can pull it off. Best of luck!

Morning to you!

I reckon you can make pretty good headway.

But do them all? Ambitious

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So in the space of a full album I have only managed to mask the preds and ravens for red spray...

Next album........Master of Puppets followed by best of the beast......

I will do this, I can do this.......I think.....

Welcome to where time stands still.......

 McManiak wrote:
I have the day off today with no gf or baby. No wedding crap and no jobs to do so I have a full on hobby day in front of me. I am in a good mood and feel inspired to get through as much as I can.

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I have a plan and it involves coffee, good music and sheer determination.

You lucky bugger!!!
Days like that are rarer than a unicorn that pisses rainbows and gaks butterflys
Make it count, for all of us that have endless piles of necessary crap we have to do.

I'll check back in on your progres in ~1 hour

Good luck, sounds fun. Just remember to watch your back. And your hands. By that I mean stretching periodically; you don’t want to regret today tomorrow.

While I’m excited to see what you end up finishing today, I have to admit I’m more interested in your playlist. I’ve seen (and like) what you do with a paintbrush, but have no idea what you listen too.

Fun to see the procedure shots with the airbrush masking.

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So two more albums down and I have the reds on the vehicles and all the blacks on the AM's plus the varnish ready for washing.

Stopping for a break for a sandwich and as Nev suggested keep stretching throughout the day. Back stiffens very quickly.

As for the playlist, I've done Alter bridge, Metallica and iron maiden so gonna throw a bit of GnR on and maybe some Hendrix to push through the afternoon

90 mph girl, is the speed I paint I mean drive....

Impressive progress, especially considering that all I've got done today is the last couple of steps on a single terminator. Onwards and upwards.

Cheers mate, I'm proper up for it today. Like Zambro said its rare that the time, freedom and desire all coincide so I'm running with it. Worth remembering too that I'm only doing the AM's to a TT standard.

Probably won't get the bases all done today but if I can tick all the other boxes then I'll be happy...


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So it's now 5pm and I've been at it all day (more or less) got another hour before the mrs and baby are home so gonna prime the bases.

Spent some time whilst varnish was drying making 30 bases for the AM's and the 2 stormraven bases. Gonna get these primed now then wash everything with black oil. Whilst that's drying I'll either paint the bases or do the shoulder pads. Then it's just highlighting the metallics and gluing it all together.

Realised one attack bike is missing a cape so will have to make that at some point too from GS.

Been an epic day so far but I feel good about what I've got done....

Taking a break after this lot though and making some nurgle pustules and conversions.

Not sure whether I love or loath White Scars at the moment...

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Some crazy-good progress, and those bases look great. What are the plastic bits?

Cheers mate, random bit of scenery hacked up from my bits boxes and the white bits are I bars that I use for girders on ruins.

All sprayed black and in the process I have bent my needle on airbrush. Ordered another one and thankfully don't have any airbrush work left, whew.

Just had tea so gonna wash everything now, then clean up, assembly and detail.

It's been a good day with good music, finished off with Pearl Jam's classic album, Ten...

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Well, it's nearly midnight and my eyes are sore. That has been one hell if a day of hobbying.

I set a big goal on purpose because I believe that if you aim for the moon and don't quite get there at least your amongst the stars.

The main thing is that all igave to do on the AM's now is clean and derail them, plus their bases.

The ravens need cleaning and the turret and cockpit putting in plus bases

Same with the attack bikes.

So I have achieved an awful lot today and am ready for sleepy time (obviously dreaming about white scars) before work tomorrow and then my first match in a new 2k pt league. I'm playing orks with gazgull, mega nobs and storm boys so will have to tread carefully.

Thanks for viewing today guys, it's genuinely appreciated and I reckon if I hadn't started this blog I'd still have a lot of unpainted scars......wait....I mean a lot MORE unpainted scars

Till the next time....goodnight...

Sleep well. Good to hear you had a fun and productive hobby day.

So, I played orks tonight and had what I think must have been the worst/least fun game I've ever had. I ended up being "that guy" and picking on every rule I possibly could because my opponent was a robot.

I gave no problem losing a game (it's actually quite good sometimes) but when there is no atmosphere of personality in the game it takes all fun out of it.

Whilst I'm ranting too, if you play with an army that has lots of attacks then get enough dice for your army. Orks, DE etc need lts of dice. If you don't have enough then don't just take the liberty of picking up my custom white scar dice and using them against me WITHOUT EVEN ASKING. There us such a thing as game etiquette.

Anyway after dragging it out and making lots of bad decisions both naturally and because I wasn't enjoying the game I surrendered on turn 5.

Bad news is I will have to play him again. May boycott yet though. I play to win but not more than playing for fun.

Am I the only person that thinks this way?

Am just being an ass?

 McManiak wrote:
So, I played orks tonight and had what I think must have been the worst/least fun game I've ever had. I ended up being "that guy" and picking on every rule I possibly could because my opponent was a robot.

I gave no problem losing a game (it's actually quite good sometimes) but when there is no atmosphere of personality in the game it takes all fun out of it.

Whilst I'm ranting too, if you play with an army that has lots of attacks then get enough dice for your army. Orks, DE etc need lts of dice. If you don't have enough then don't just take the liberty of picking up my custom white scar dice and using them against me WITHOUT EVEN ASKING. There us such a thing as game etiquette.

Anyway after dragging it out and making lots of bad decisions both naturally and because I wasn't enjoying the game I surrendered on turn 5.

Bad news is I will have to play him again. May boycott yet though. I play to win but not more than playing for fun.

Am I the only person that thinks this way?

Am just being an ass?

Touching, much less, rolling, someone’s dice without permission is a massive faux pas. That’s gamer etiquette 101, everyone should know that. Dice are cheep, if you play orks, bring a bucket full.

We all have bad days. I’ve had my TFG moments, and am one of the more laid back guys I know. It’s particularly hard when you are on the loosing side of the table, and your opponent isn’t helping the mood. Even if I’m savaging my opponent, I try to keep him involved in the game. Point out his little victories, or commiserate with his bad luck. If I wanted to get my teeth kicked in by a robot, I have a computer and plenty of games with difficulty sliders that go higher then I do. 40k is a social game, we all win when everyone has fun, regardless of how the VPs work out at the end.

If you are getting hammered, try not to stoop to the level of TFG. It can be hard, but be the better person. If you don’t need to play him again, don’t. Or talk to the other guys at your FLGS and see if you are the only one with an issue with him. Or list tailor against him and crush him mercilessly. Whatever

After my rant last night I have now rather calmed down (a bit)

I am going to clean the Ravens and ams tonight and maybe do detail then I'm gonna take a white break.

Just posted on my Nurgle blog that I intend to start the Heldrakes this weekend.

Knowing what i'm like (a few of you will be getting used to me by now) I will probably still tinker with thee guys too.

I NEED to get back onto my Thunderhawk ASAP and may do the base whilst i'm being creative this weekend.

Lets see what happens eh...


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If you are getting hammered, try not to stoop to the level of TFG. It can be hard, but be the better person. If you don’t need to play him again, don’t. Or talk to the other guys at your FLGS and see if you are the only one with an issue with him. Or list tailor against him and crush him mercilessly. Whatever

Brilliant advice, SMASH him.....


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Looks like I'm getting an outrider bike from a friend so will have to re make korsarro in a more glorious model...

So tidied the AM's up a little last night but then gotr excited at starting the heldrake for my Nurgle blog.

Not taken any pics of the guys yet and may buy one of the booths/studios that Zambro bought to get a better pic.

Had some more inspiration for the TH base and will get on that this week.

The big problem is stopping myself buying a couple of Knights. Wouldn't use them in game but like the models and have some nice conversion ideas.

Hehe, just look at the price tag for the Knights. That'd shut me down each time xD

They do look cool, but don’t really say “White Scars” at all. I considered one myself, but need to be a little more practical with my hobby budget. Plenty of stuff I want/need that would do more then just look cool on the shelf.

They are expensive but i can convince myself on budget if i need to.

Wasn't gonna use them as scars tbh was just gonna make them up as conversions to ally with anything I come against when using esc and SH

Messing around with the TH base last night and am struggling with crashing a talon into the building. It just does'nt seem to look right. Was thinking of maybe putting a tank through the wall instead with some scouts running out to take out the passengers.
Or should I just stick with the Talon in the building? Maybe in a crater and in two pieces would work? If I cut a talon in half I will have to use it then!!!!

Either way I need to decide what traitor colour to paint it up. Am naturally leaning to Alpha Legion as per the book, but they dont have ST's so could just do them as a traitor cultist/mechanicum dark drab colour??

Thoughts anyone??

 McManiak wrote:
Messing around with the TH base last night and am struggling with crashing a talon into the building. It just does'nt seem to look right. Was thinking of maybe putting a tank through the wall instead with some scouts running out to take out the passengers.
Or should I just stick with the Talon in the building? Maybe in a crater and in two pieces would work? If I cut a talon in half I will have to use it then!!!!

Either way I need to decide what traitor colour to paint it up. Am naturally leaning to Alpha Legion as per the book, but they dont have ST's so could just do them as a traitor cultist/mechanicum dark drab colour??

Thoughts anyone??

I think a tank might be the better choice. Easier to do, lower profile, more “base” less “diorama” More lore appropriate.

If you do use a stormtalon, I’d have it post crash, like it skidded/tumbled to a stop up against the building. Use just the fuselage. The engine/wing pods would have snapped off in the crash, weapon pods as well. Those bits can be smeared across the rest of the base. Bury it in some rubble. If you want more of an action scene going on with the base, pop the canopy and have the pilot armed with his bolt pistol shooting it out with some advancing scouts. Or have his bullet riddled body lying next to his downed craft while the scouts advance to confirm the kill, or sit on the wreckage popping a signal flare.

The topic of scouts chilling out, post op, gave me another idea. One would assume that scouts would be deployed to neutralize AA assets before the ‘Hawk came in. If you are going to wreck a tank, make it a Hunter/Stalker, possibly a Whirlwind (some are used in AA roles IIRC). Or have some bodies sprawled around an ADL/quadgun installation. If you want to go all-in, get one of those 2xquad lascannon bunkers and hit it with some melta bombs.

I like the thinking mate, especialally the 'go all in' phrase.

You are starting to get to know me

 McManiak wrote:
I like the thinking mate, especialally the 'go all in' phrase.

You are starting to get to know me

It’s nice to know people crazy enough to try cool things, and the hobby budget and skills to make them work.

On topic of carving up expensive bunker kits to make a base, how much space are we talking about for the T-Hawk’s? When looking at GW’s site for how expensive the Firestorm Redoubt is, my eyes fell on the Fortress of Redemption and a number of things flashed through my head:

Scouts casually sitting on the walls, smoke drifting up from the disabled guns and the holes blasted in the walls. (Sitting scouts can probably be improvised from the LSS kit) This works for any of the bunkers, but as I actually have had hands-on experience with the FoR, it struck a little closer to home. YMMV

Question: How do I hide the flight stand for something the size of a Thunderhawk?
Answer: Have it crashing through the tower on the FoR.

I need to stop thinking about this. The more I do, the more ideas I get. I was just thinking about the concept of a bunker complex, and the fact that the scouts might not have secured the whole thing as the T-hawk flew overhead. Cue reminder the assault marines deep-striking is them jumping out of low-flying thunderhawks. Insert image of scouts surrounding the lascanon side of the FoR, while some cultists/CSM keep them pinned down from the missile bunker side. T-hawk flies overhead, side door open, trailing a string of jump pack marines as it clips the top of the tower off.

But once again, we are drifting towards “diorama", and not “base” The 40k universe is wonderfully vibrant and full of imagery. It’s hard not to get caught up in it. Actually realizing it in plastic and paint is another story entirely. That’s one of the benefits in commenting on other people’s blogs. I can toss out all sorts of crazy (but cool) ideas, and watch someone else try to make it happen.

Hahahaha, brilliant.

Keep em coming Nev. I am possibly crazy/stupid enough to try them. Still gonna do the AM's through the stain glass (one day) and love the way your imagination wonders. I am similar and end up spending far too much money on bases as a result. The second heldrake I am doing for example has an IG Valkyrie as its main base (not cheap). My reaver titan will have the crashed Thunderhawk RoB tile as its base, etc, etc.

As for the Th, base is only about 10" so won't for a FoR but the tank or talon would work nicely.

I also agree that they too easily become dioramas and have to stop myself constantly.

You will see some (hopefully) epic basing on my Nurgle blog when I get round to them. Lots of water effects and dead IG's

Been a few days guys,

In the event of my Dremel dying (orderd a new capacitator today) then it forced my hand back to my scars, which was no bad thing.

I have now finished the shoulder pads, detail and bases of the AM's and will glue them tomorrow and promptly put up photographs......FINALLY......one thing I can say is that metal shoulder pads really are naff. I should have gone with transferes for the AM pads.

3 more attack bikes are at the same level as the other bikes too, these will all get weathereing and transfers at some point.

I have also decided after talking with Zambro over on his thread to magnetise the stormraven wings. Actually much easire than I first thought. The plus point to this is that I can now fit both ravens and their bases into 1 Battlefoam tray rather than 2. Need to still do the turrets and detail/weathering etc on them but may put some WIP pics up tomorrow.

Started on the base for the Thunderhawk and have gone back to the Talon idea and it looks ok now. Will surround it with some more debris and put a pic on next week to get opinions and ideas.

All in all it's been quite a few days in camp White Scar. I have even decided on my 10th flyer for my Task force and a change to my 1500pt Tourney list......


Just ordered a FW Fire Raptor......

Will replace the 2 talons in my list and frees up 30 pts that are going on power weapons for the flamer unit serg's.

Pics soon, I promise

O.o fire raptor.... oooooo!

What was wrong with the pads? The last time I got some (2 years ago), I thought it was a PITA to file and clean up. Not really much of a problem after that.

Pretty please can you show me how you are magnetising your SR

Stormravens are looking good mate! Still waiting on those assault marines

I know I said id put some pics of AMs onbut I've still not glued them sorry. Was at club on Thursday where I played CSM twice.

First was Fabius with a load of csm with MoK plus 2 drakes, 2 hellbrutes 3 oblits and a forgefiend plus more. Took the win in turn 5 but was close until then. Had to table him as I had no scoring left.

The other was Abaddon 2 vindicators drake etc. Ended up with over half my army pointing at Abaddon to seriously overkill him. Grat game.

Went to local GW store yesterday and got a few games. Battered some orks in 2k but only won by 2 KPs then had a 1500 game using my raven as a Fire Raptor proxy against thousand sons. Didn't get musch chance to use the raptor but the attached pic mde me laugh. A lot of bikes in that terrain. One of the pieces I made btw (pics in gallery)

Will try to finish the AMs this weekend and I will get some pics up of the stormraven magnets Z. Really simple bit need 10mm mags

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Sounds like you had fun. But we aren’t going to stand for a picture bait-and-switch! We were promised assault marines!

Lol, it's a good job we ignore DT tests. Otherwise, you'd have lost a few xD

10mm magnets on the SR? hmm, thats a problem for me... i'm only capable of using 2mm magnets I've never tried anything bigger, but it looks like I need some new magnets and a bigger drill bit

Haha, bait and switch, love it.

Pics by Monday morning latest. Promise...

Z, don't need a drill bit. Just a bit of plascard or GS. Basically put 1 mag in the top air intake but lower to the bottom with plascard if GS then another in line on the raven. The strength of the 10mm is enough to hold the wings down too, in effect replacing the glue.... I'll still throw some pics on when I get chance this evening.

Got my capacitor before too so will be fixing the dremel tonight.


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Here you go. Hope this helps.

2nd one needs to be deep enough to sit on the first without a gap

2nd one needs to be deep enough to sit on the first without a gap

How does it look without the air intake on top? I keep batting around ideas on how to modify one to look better, and all the clutter on the top bothers me. I was thinking for when I get around to picking one up that leaving the intake off and replacing the top turret with a lower profile one, say from the razorback, might help improve it’s looks.

That would look ok I think. The only thing would be a little filling and filing where the ridge is and where the wings sit. If you did it though you would have to copy it through any other flyers you have/get as they all have a similar look.

I ran out of superglue last night whilst sticking the AM's to their bases so will get more today for the definite finish and photo time.

Got to say though, that I'm actually quite happy with them now they are on bases. Kind of pulls it all together.

May be some time until I do the smashed window diorama though. Haha


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Oh, Zambro. The magnets are available on eBay for a couple of pound

As the new title suggests folks, they are done.

These are never winning any competitions but are to a good tabletop standard IMO. I have loved and loathed these models and never will I take on such a big bulk paint again (Zombies??)

Anyway, they have the same dirty feel as the bikes (I hope) and I am really unhappy with the metal pads. I just think you can spot painted metal from a mile away and it never looks as crisp.

All in all though I am happy with them. The bases really help make them look dynamic and whilst they could be neater and better they will only ever feature in apoc games so there will be nicer things to look at.

It's been a long time coming so I expect lots of C&C and as always am open to anything you think.

Look solid enough to me, the posing is nice and dynamic and the painting is gritty but neat. Hope they're worth the effort when they hit the table.

Cheers mate, big apoc game in June so will see how they fair up.

Surely you can work them into smaller lists, just to try them out? Not all of them at once, mind you, but just toss a stick of 5 of them, maybe with a chaplain, as a fun change of pace from the normal all-bikes white scars list.

They do look good though.

Assault Marines look good, the OSL on the jump packs look very done. Death From Above! Though i always picture a failed roll and having a Marine fly off out of control into a wall all Wile E. Coyote Style (mine included). Or maybe that would be just Orks with jump packs??

They look great all lined up

You should defo try them out in regular sized games. I could see them keeping up with the bikes and putting some extra pressure on your enemy

Yeah, I suppose I could do that. There just always seems to be a better option to take but in a friendly game they could see some action.

Waiting for the Fire Raptor to arrive as need that built and painted for Mays tournament. Still doing the base for the Thunderhawk too, although I seem to have fallen out of love with it at the moment.

Next to finish are the Storm Ravens and Preds as they are 80% done then I think I'll probably do the Chaplain and another bike squad.

Then it won't seem like much to do in the big picture. 4 talons, another 4/5 squads plus the 3 Libby's and command squad. The rhinos aren't even bought yet so not fussed about them.

Will almost be sorry to finish it all (months away yet though) but I'll split it with my CSM and may even throw some more paint on my Eldar.

I have a vision to have all my armies built and painted so that I can just buy new small units to add as and when.

Dreams can come true.....

Ah, to hell with 'better options', those models are cool and you've put too much time not to use them.

Besides, throw in a Chaplain and they're pretty good anyway.

That would mean painting up another Chaplain, aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh........

 McManiak wrote:
That would mean painting up another Chaplain, aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh........

Judging from your heretical leanings in other blogs, that’s a good thing. I’ve got three, and use them all. A little faith and moral purity will do you some good.

 Nevelon wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
That would mean painting up another Chaplain, aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh........

Judging from your heretical leanings in other blogs, that’s a good thing. I’ve got three, and use them all. A little faith and moral purity will do you some good.

Hahaha, fair point. I will purchase one and use him with the AM's soon. Tbf the Scars have never been sure whether they are heretical or not themselves....

Just reading Nevelons blog and it made me realise that yes, a whole week has gone by and I have done little to nothing. Tiny bit more on Stormravens and that's about it.

I did ruin my dremel charger by believing I could solder and have therefore ordered a new one

Anywhoo, the Fire Raptor should have arrived in work today (I'm off ill so will pick it up on Monday) and will be taking all precedence and getting built and painted ASAP.

Going to try to finish the storm ravens and preds off this weekend. Only got details to do on them so it's possible.

What have you all been up to this week. I always like to see other peoples work and ideas so feel free to put pictures up on here

See ya soon,

Martin

Looking forward to the Fire Raptor, that model looks great. With that, the ravens and the talons (And the T-Hawk) you have quite the air force.

Don't feel bad about having a non-productive week, for what it's worth I've not touched anything with paint for about a fortnight, and all I've done this last week is start a game of Deadzone that's now been abandoned. I'm hoping to get some stuff done this weekend, though. Maybe some Deathwing if I find the time- layering bone-white from brown takes an age...

Looks like it's slow going all around

I only managed a single sternguard in the past week. But my motivation hit the roof yesturday and I got the last 4 out of the way (pictures tomorrow, promise).

I really like the fire raptor. Cant wait to see what you do with it

Zambro wrote:
Looks like it's slow going all around

I only managed a single sternguard in the past week. But my motivation hit the roof yesturday and I got the last 4 out of the way (pictures tomorrow, promise).

I really like the fire raptor. Cant wait to see what you do with it

I'm gonna paint it white

 McManiak wrote:

Zambro wrote:
Looks like it's slow going all around

I only managed a single sternguard in the past week. But my motivation hit the roof yesturday and I got the last 4 out of the way (pictures tomorrow, promise).

I really like the fire raptor. Cant wait to see what you do with it

I'm gonna paint it white

Powering through the earns and preds here. Should have them all done (minus weathering) today.

Am not gonna weather any of the models until all are complete then they will at least all have uniformed dust and dirt.

Picked another box of scouts up for my thunderhawk base too. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the Fire Raptor base yet either. Not gonna be as big a base as the TH obviously but may make a bigger base than standard? Thoughts?

 McManiak wrote:
Powering through the earns and preds here. Should have them all done (minus weathering) today.

Am not gonna weather any of the models until all are complete then they will at least all have uniformed dust and dirt.

Picked another box of scouts up for my thunderhawk base too. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the Fire Raptor base yet either. Not gonna be as big a base as the TH obviously but may make a bigger base than standard? Thoughts?

Generally you should endeavor to keep the bases the size they are supposed to be. If you have a really cool idea that needs the space, go for it, but it’s not something that should be altered lightly.

I forget if I’ve asked you this, but do you have plans for a display board? Because while you want your bases to look similar to help tie your army together, if you have an idea for how they are going to be placed in relation to each other you can have them interact.

For example, you have a thunderhawk, that when sitting around looking cool on the shelf/board is going to have a fire raptor off one wing and and a stormraven off the other.

All the bases are ruins, matching the urban/rubble of the rest of the army.
The main action is on the T-hawk, where some scouts are involved in a crossfire with some cultists. Maybe bolters, possibly some CC action. But close to the back of the base, there are cultists taking cover, glancing to the sides, maybe pointing. One might even be the victim of a headshot, with blood splattered against the side of a wall, not the back (where it would if he was shot by the scouts on the front of the base)

The reason? Snipers from the wingmen’s bases are providing flanking fire. Just a pair of scouts on each base, tucked into a little corner of ruins. You don’t have the real estate to do something grandiose. But together your three flyers tell a story too big to fit on a single base.

Nev, your mind is awesome, or scary depending on ones point of view. I do like the idea of the head shot though...

Here's what I've achieved so far this afternoon. Not much left now, meltas and cockpits etc...

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If nothing else, I am a font of impractical suggestions.

Nice collection of tanks, birds, and bikes. Zooming right along.

They look sweet grouped up like that.

Nev's idea is pretty cool. I like the idea of the 3 bases linking in together to tell a story. It reminds me of something I saw once; 3 vindicators with the imperial aquilla painted across their 3 shields.

But anyway, how goes the TH?

TH is very much on hold for the moment. I have to build and paint the raptor for tournament so will be concentrating on that. Wanted to get these finished as they were part done in the "to finish" pile.

Will take a group photo of the task force As it is I think.

 McManiak wrote:

Will take a group photo of the task force As it is I think.

...cant wait...

Here it is thus far...


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So, there are 3 more stormseers/librarians 3 more scouts, 6 more rhinos, 4 more talons plus the Fire Raptor and Thunderhawk.

The dev's are magnetised so weapon options can be swapped about and the talons and stormseers just need building. Got yo buy the rhinos (boring to me) and then it is complete.

Looking back at the picture on the first pits it has come on massively and I'm proud of myself even if I do say so.

Thanks for sticking with me this far guys and let's see where we end up, kind of a half way point here...

Impressive!

I just a quick bit of (rough) mental math... thats A LOT of monies...

Yeah, sure is. I've not worked out how much it's cost me and don't think I will hahaha. Bought it all retail too from GW as I believe in supporting my store. Even down to the FW stuff I get. I buy vouchers from the store and spend them in warhammer world so that my store gets the money.


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Got to be around the £2k mark I reckon...

 McManiak wrote:
Bought it all retail too from GW

Whoa! This is a ridiculous amount of bikes and planes and shiz. Some money's been thrown at this, but I think it's definiely worth it. Is this the whole lot, or are there any unbuilt models?

 Tigurius wrote:
Whoa! This is a ridiculous amount of bikes and planes and shiz. Some money's been thrown at this, but I think it's definiely worth it. Is this the whole lot, or are there any unbuilt models?

Theres more unbuilt yet, 7 more rhinos, 4 more Storm Talons, 3 more stormseers/librarians, thunderhawk, Fire Raptor, and 3 more scouts.
Then it's done............killing me slowly but when I see them all together it makes me happy............will look great in a cabinet in my new hobby room

Very nice looking force there! I do like the fact that I can flip back to the first page and see the progress.

It’s best not to dwell on how much cash we spend on this hobby. A while ago there was a thread to price out your 1,500 list and see what it came to. Very sobering. But you could easily spend a squad’s worth of cash out on a friday night with the guys, and have nothing to show for it but fuzzy memories and a hangover.

You going to pick up the new apocalypse warzone that’s on pre-order now? It features the Scars. No idea if there are decent formations in it, but you might actually care about the background and story.

Yeah, it's on order mate. See what it helps me with. May even be the correct task force in there...

 Nevelon wrote:
you could easily spend a squad’s worth of cash out on a friday night with the guys, and have nothing to show for it but fuzzy memories and a hangover.

QFT, my friend.
I really grinds my gears when friends brag about how much they spent and dont remember after a night out. And how often they do it. Sure, when I go out I drink just as much, but I dont do it nearly as often as others. And when they complain about their financial problems due to said drinking... I just want to smack them and say grow the up.

but anyway...
Maniak, can you do a write up / summary of this apoc. warzone? If it has significant improvements / additions to the Scars, I may consider getting it

Sure thing mate.....

I have a friend who says I spend too much money on little men and that it is an expensive hobby. He buys a bottle of JD every week (£20) plus he smokes (£35 per week) so thats £220 per month and apparentley I'm the one withthe expensive hobby??????

Man thats an impressive White Scars army! Looks fantastic all out in a battle formation like that.

 McManiak wrote:
Yeah, it's on order mate. See what it helps me with. May even be the correct task force in there...

You could paint up some Raven Guard to ally with your White Scars. It would probably just take painting another 50 or so more assault marines...


<runs and hides>

 Nevelon wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
Yeah, it's on order mate. See what it helps me with. May even be the correct task force in there...

You could paint up some Raven Guard to ally with your White Scars. It would probably just take painting another 50 or so more assault marines...


<runs and hides>

You may well run and hide sir.....hahaha

Impressive collection. I'm pretty sure this is the largest bike army I've come across. It'll look amazing when comlete, and at the speed you paint, that won't be as far away as one might think.

And then you can do the next Company/Brotherhood....

If I did another brotherhood it would be the 1st brotherhood. I like the thought of 100 terminators and landraiders with a chapter master etc (and NO bikes) by that point FW may have released Jaghatti too.

TO be honest though I'll be done with Scars by the time I've finished and will concentrate in a my Nurgle list. May do something different after that or revisit my Dark Eldar etc. Always liked the idea of a huge Ork horde...

1st Co would be very cool, even in part. As DA prove, Termies and bikers is a kick-ass combination.

Yeah, reminds of the brotherhood of the storm book. Bikes do the work and termies finish off the big stuff...

Fire Raptor resin all washed and ready for prime and dry fit...

BONUS!!!

Started to clip the sprues for the raptor and realised that there is actually a full stormraven there. Only need a few pieces of it so there is enough to use for the crashed flyer on my thunderhawk base so that I don't have to waste a Stormtalon.

BONUS!!!

Nice!


........you have no excuses now......

Mcmaniak.... I think I'll just borrow 10 of your bikes and spray me blue... I don't think you'd notice them missing with that many.

So ive assembled what I must say is the worst fitting FW kit I've ever done.
So many cuts to make and gaps to fill. But now it looks great if I do say so myself.

Layered it up to white level one. Gonna add the magnets etc ad thèn final 2 layers of white.

Not sure where to put the red tail stripe on this to tie in with ravens and talons. Difficult to get the same effect but need to run it through to the Thunderhawk too.

Looking good!

O.o

Looks great. Maybe a stripe around the nose / forward section of the hull? Seeing as it's awkward design means you cant do it at the rear.

How bad was the miscasting? I'm a little anxious about getting my Imp. Navy stuff and having to do massive work to make it look right.

Wasn't so much miscast as opposed to badly fitted. Whenever you put resin with plastic there is trouble but this was really bad. The nose where the avenger bolt gun goes was ridiculous. Other bits had to be trimmed or filled. Works ok in the end though.

Thought more about the red and there will be red at the front anyway plus the turret guns on the side are gonna be red so will draw through the wings into the rear fin. I have looked at the thunderhawk and can do a similar thing on that so they will all tie in nicely then.

Magnetising the wings is a lot more tricky than I first thought but I'll figure it out somehow. I've just sent the battlefoam traces off with the wings separate so I'll have to, hahaha.

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Sorry for the position of the photos guys.

Up to Second layer white now, only one more to go I reckon. Ball turrets etc are red now so need to do reds on the main raptor once white us fully dry .

I've managed to put the magnets into the wings by doing a 10mm in the main wing and a 3mm in the end strut into the engine. They stay in even when wobbled! Also magnets for swapping out quad heavy bolsters for auto cannons. On that note I've played a couple of games with it now (stormraven as proxy) and think the hb'sare the way forward. Each quad gives you 6 s5 ap4 to shots as opposed to 2 s7 ap4 shots. I know the AC's are more powerful but weight of dice should get at least the same result.

Also ignore the base as this is one of my raven bases. The raptor base is gonna be something special,(will even make Nev proud) and will be revealed in due course.

Next to do is the pilot, turret marines and all the cockpit details whilst the white dries.

C&C welcome as always...

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Looks great.

Is that a threaded bar holding it up?

I recieved my order for 2 5mm threaded bars today, and the associated bolt bit that the screw into. I was curious, how do you get your bolt bit to stay on the base? Just glueing it upright seems like it'll be too fragile, and could easily snap under the weight of a flier.
And speaking of fliers, I got excited today because FW posted out my stuff

It is a part threaded bar Z. I use epoxy resin to hold the nut into both the flyer and base. I drill a 5mm hole in both so that the bar can go through and then mount scenic pieces around the base. You may want to put a stop ie a washer glued or something similar to stop the bar going too far.

Good look with the flyers mate

Thanks for the advice

As soon as they arrive i'll be updating my thread to comment on the kit, and first impressions of how i'm going to fit the bar and the nut onto the flier & base.

Good point that mate. Here are some photos of the bar, base and flyer to show what I do. May help you.

I spray the bar black when done. (White overspray from raptor)

Thanks mate, super appreciate those pics!

How long are the nuts that the bar screws into. Your nuts dont look that long (pmsl). The ones I have are just over half an inch.

Mine are just standard m5 nuts. Only about 5)6 mm. B and Q sell them. I cut the thread down on the bar too so that only the depth I need gives in, then stops and tightens.