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 plastictrees wrote:And other assorted reptiles. They were all slave races that rebelled against the Atalantians.
I love that this is their backstory, too. So cool.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Denilsta wrote: RiTides wrote:That dragon is really nice! I'm guessing "kthones" is the snake-faction?
Thats right, and includes Crocodilemen and Basiliskmen as well.
Crocodilemen...
...must...resist...!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Look away now Alpharius Megalavra, Krokodar Slaughterer (already out)  Vokkinak, Krokodar Roarer  (early WIP, will be getting longer arms before work continues) 
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Post by: Hulksmash
I like quite a few of the figures. I'm just not a fan of the overall cost honestly.
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Post by: Alpharius
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Look away now Alpharius
Megalavra, Krokodar Slaughterer (already out)
Vokkinak, Krokodar Roarer
(early WIP, will be getting longer arms before work continues)
Orlando - not playing fair! 
Size-wise, are the Crocmen on the large side of things?
Say, equivalent to WFB Ogre or Troll size?
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Post by: cincydooley
Um...they're about the same size as the Mierce minotaurs. I'll try and snap a comparison shot tonight for you. Larger than a GW Ogre or Troll, though.
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Post by: judgedoug
Alpharius, much larger. That's a 40mm base Megalavra's on. He's 75mm tall. A GW Ogre Bull is ~53mm tall. So almost 50% larger.
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If ya'll want I can snap some comparison shots of what I have with a bunch of GW figs so those of you that haven't seen them in person can get a glimpse.
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Post by: Alpharius
cincydooley wrote:Um...they're about the same size as the Mierce minotaurs. I'll try and snap a comparison shot tonight for you. Larger than a GW Ogre or Troll, though.
cincydooley wrote:If ya'll want I can snap some comparison shots of what I have with a bunch of GW figs so those of you that haven't seen them in person can get a glimpse.
Yes, please!
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Post by: Makaleth
Putting together my dragon people at the moment... they are huge! almost too big for round 60mm bases.
These models are just unbelievable. The only downside is the sheer number of parts for the models as they are so detailed, but that's not really much of a downside.
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Post by: Zond
I wish I could persuade Mierce to make an Angelcynn with a heron marked sword. Just because. 
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Post by: yxalitis
Awesome looking dragon, gladIi snapped one up based on concept art.
I wonder if the doubters who didn't participate because of their fears of the company are kicking themselves now...?
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Post by: Dysartes
I'm quite glad the second Mierce Kickstarter slipped - works better for me from a finance perspective...
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Post by: yxalitis
Has anyone seen a WIP for Belech, Scion of Baalor November Benoît Cosse or Pétroyos, the Liskarchon September Stéphane N'Guyen
Petroyos is supposed to be done September, but I've not seen one image other than the concept art.
Likewise Beloch,
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Post by: Makaleth
yxalitis wrote:Has anyone seen a WIP for Belech, Scion of Baalor November Benoît Cosse or Pétroyos, the Liskarchon September Stéphane N'Guyen
Petroyos is supposed to be done September, but I've not seen one image other than the concept art.
Likewise Beloch,
I haven't seen either of these. Grabbed Pétroyos but not Belech myself. Still cannot get over how big these models are compared to regular troops though. These 2 will be Daemon Prince sized which is amazing.
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Post by: plastictrees
I asked what was left in the KS1 comments a few days ago. The only thing we haven't seen concepts on are the werewulfas, and then there's about half a dozen sculpts we haven't seen anything on yet.
The big dragon was one of the last stretches so I think we'll see some switching of completion dates as sculptor's availability change.
The only negative I've seen in terms of pre-KS rumours is that they are planning to use James van Schaik for some of the troops. Haven't been impressed by his other work, but I'm sure I haven't seen everything he's done.
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Post by: judgedoug
copypasta from the forums
Pétroyos, the Liskarchon September Stéphane N'Guyen
Belech, Scion of Baalor November Benoît Cosse
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Post by: yxalitis
 judgedoug wrote:copypasta from the forums
Pétroyos, the Liskarchon September Stéphane N'Guyen
Belech, Scion of Baalor November Benoît Cosse
Yes, if you look you'll see I've used the exact same quote in my post.
Doesn't really answer my question though, does it?
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Post by: plastictrees
You should ask in the KS1 comments if you're a backer. Mierce are still reading them and responding to questions.
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Post by: judgedoug
yxalitis wrote: judgedoug wrote:copypasta from the forums
Pétroyos, the Liskarchon September Stéphane N'Guyen
Belech, Scion of Baalor November Benoît Cosse
Yes, if you look you'll see I've used the exact same quote in my post.
Doesn't really answer my question though, does it?
Ack, sorry! Was browsing Dakka on my phone in the uhh, bathroom, must have missed that post!
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Post by: Makaleth
Just got my Troll Starter. So ugly... they are perfect. Also got Hrudinn, Valhrafn. That bird is huge, and the best wings so far on all of the models.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
KS2 has now been submitted for official KS approval
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Post by: ulgurstasta
It Begins!
Anyhow, does anyone have some good scaleshot on mierces infantry-sized miniatures?
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Post by: cincydooley
Hells to the yeah!!!!
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Post by: judgedoug
goodbye all my money!
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Post by: Kroothawk
judgedoug wrote:Ack, sorry! Was browsing Dakka on my phone in the uhh, bathroom, must have missed that post!
*Mental note: Never use someone else's smartphone* 
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
update on What an update we have for you... images of an almost-complete Angrislaug, images of a complete Brynhild and news of Kickstarter II... Angrislaug Words cannot express how we feel about Roberto Chaudon's quite incredible dragon, so here's some images instead...       He'll be finished by the end of September, but it's unlikely he'll be sent out before the end of October simply because we are so busy. Even so, he's still early ;o) Brynhild Gunnblindi Juan Navarro Pérez has finished Brynhild Gunnblindi, the Norse Gythja, and she's an equally impressive miniature we think... such superb detail!    Again, we should have her in October sometime. Darklands: First Edition Our next Kickstarter project, called "Darklands: First Edition" has now been submitted to Kickstarter, so it's just a matter of waiting for them to review and approve it. Once that happens, we'll put an update on here to tell you exactly when it will go live. We're hoping that we can make it live somewhere between 6pm and 7pm on whichever day we're approved next week, hopefully Monday - but it could take a couple of days, so please be patient. But don't worry guys, it's coming soon!
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Holy  that dragon!!!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Roberto really has worked his magic on Angrislaug hasn't he?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
No KS2 tonight, KS have not finished their approval time
so we try again same time tomorrow
with a teaser from Mierce, the Genrals names for KS2
GENERALS
Albainn - Dúngal, Mormaer of Dun Durn
Angelcynn - Eadric, Forthegn of Mierce
Brythoniaid - Urien, Teyrn of Môn
Byzantii - Equitus Durio, Centurion
Fomoraic - Mananaan, Untain of Baalor
Khthones - Xontór, Gorgon of Khthon
Norse - Knútr of Víkin, Skipari of Hrafnen
SORCERERS
Albainn - Domnech, Sagart of Dun Durn
Angelcynn - Aldhelm, Sceop of Mierce
Brythoniaid - Ffion Ferddig, Bard of Gwynedd
Byzantii - Velchior, Magus Infernum
Fomoraic - Idruaada, Warlock of Baalor
Khthones - Myrkranio, Bone Warrior
Norse - Víthar, Erilaz of Hrafnen
Ysians - Zethag of Carn Dhu, Harvest-Drune
Ysians - Crom of Carn Wrach, War-Drune
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Guys, just a heads up. Kickstarter have accepted our submission for our second Kickstarter project
Darklands - First Edition will launch tonight at 7pm British Summer Time (that's 1 hour behind most of Europe and 5 hours ahead of USA East Coast)
This project will fund the printing of the full rules, including a 200+ page hardback rulebook, miniatures for all the kindreds (inc 2 new kindreds). Oh, and there will be a Kickstarter-exclusive miniature, some starter hosts and all manner of fun.
Hopefully along the way we will also unlock a certain something by Daniel Cockersell (sculptor of Krull, Chimaera, Blood-Maw and Uuthull)
Click on this countdown by Mr Zedmeister for a to the second countdown!
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&iso=20130924T19&year=2013&month=9&day=24&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p0=1323&fg1=000&fg2=9acd79&msg=Darklands%20Kickstarter
Feel free to spread the word - the more backers and support we have, the more we can unlock!
In the meantime work continues apace on KS1 fulfillment. We are about half-way through the Anglycynn shipping leaving Kthones as the only full kindred set awaiting shipment. We're still waiting on the Ssibyross sculpt for that kindred so it's caused a slight delay.
Angrislaug and Brunnhild are now complete. Vaak, Druc, Jowan (and hounds) and Gamla Bror should all have WiPs up over the next few weeks.
Petroyus is a little behind as the same sculptor is still working on Ssibyross (though we're now re-assigning the project to Roberto to get things back on track). Belech isn't due to be started until end Oct/start Nov.
I'll post a link up when we launch - keep an eye on our KS1 comments thread here http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war/comments for up-to-date info.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy
tonight then
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Post by: Makaleth
YAY YAY YAY!!!
This is indeed fabulous news... I want that dragon (or 2)
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Post by: Bolognesus
...So everyone who has another starter than Kthones has just about got his stuff, and it's looking good?
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Post by: zedmeister
 Bolognesus wrote:...So everyone who has another starter than Kthones has just about got his stuff, and it's looking good?
Aye, there's still some sculpts to be done, but they were always scheduled for November/December time. Quite a lot of sculpts have been earlier than anticipated. Angelcynn and Khthones have been delayed a month (Khthones were scheduled for September, now October). All KS1 sculpts have been booked with the exception of the Werewulfas - but that was because the concept artist booked disappeared for a while.
Got my large order of Angelcynn last week and they're amazingly beautiful sculpts. All I'm waiting for is Vaak, the Rock/Ice Golem (Roberto is booked to do him after the Dragon) and Leofwen who's November/December time.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Thanks. Guess I'll pledge even if I haven't gotten my stuff yet, then.
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Post by: zedmeister
Bolognesus wrote:Thanks. Guess I'll pledge even if I haven't gotten my stuff yet, then.
What are you missing? Just the Khthones?
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Post by: Slinky
Yet to receive my Angelcynn, but I did get my trolls...
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Post by: Bolognesus
Yes. Just the Khthones. Also known as: my entire order. Which is why pledging again feels a bit like a blind guess, with some of Mierce's history. And yes, I know they seem to be quite okay now. And I have some of the stuff from before the 'mierce' time (couple of the standard bearers that are still in the not-darklands range, as well as the big honkin' tree who's also not made the transition) so I know their sculpting/casting seems to be up to snuff. Prices 'feel' a bit high, though I must say I felt quite a bit better about the RRP of the treeman (even though I got it through the final Maelstrom-blowout debacle and so only paid something in the order of fifteen or twenty quid for it, even when amortizing the parts of that order I never got over the parts I did) after actually assembling it and seeing how big and detailed it really is; I'm hearing the Darklands stuff is generally the same quality and I hear everyone stating it's all fething huge, so I'm probably going to be quite happy (loving the pics so far, that's for sure) but still; dropping another eighty or so quid potentially, knowing UK- NL shipping times of late, pretty much blind, is not something I like doing all that much
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I've had my Tarvrax, Dyndraig and Trolls plus associated other bits
Still to get my Angelcyn and Kthones plus a hefty number of not yet sculpted stuff
so probably more 'cash value' still to come than actually received
but the very high quality of the sculpts,
the excellent resin casts,
the fact the company is still engaged in the comments and can be easily contacted and actually answer your questions
and where folk have had problems (even when they've just dropped something and broken it) Meirce have replaced it fast
mean I'm back in for all I can afford
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Post by: zedmeister
Bolognesus wrote:
Yes. Just the Khthones. Also known as: my entire order. Which is why pledging again feels a bit like a blind guess, with some of Mierce's history.
And yes, I know they seem to be quite okay now. And I have some of the stuff from before the 'mierce' time (couple of the standard bearers that are still in the not-darklands range, as well as the big honkin' tree who's also not made the transition) so I know their sculpting/casting seems to be up to snuff.
Prices 'feel' a bit high, though I must say I felt quite a bit better about the RRP of the treeman (even though I got it through the final Maelstrom-blowout debacle and so only paid something in the order of fifteen or twenty quid for it, even when amortizing the parts of that order I never got over the parts I did) after actually assembling it and seeing how big and detailed it really is; I'm hearing the Darklands stuff is generally the same quality and I hear everyone stating it's all fething huge, so I'm probably going to be quite happy (loving the pics so far, that's for sure) but still; dropping another eighty or so quid potentially, knowing UK- NL shipping times of late, pretty much blind, is not something I like doing all that much
Understood. It may be worth getting in touch with Mierce to see if they can speed anything up. No harm in asking at the least...
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
@Bolegnesus - all the Kthones starter set sculpts apart from Ssibyross are in hand and moulds have been made.
As soon as we get Ssibyross in hand I'll have him straight into rubber and we can crack on with getting them out asap. Most of our sculpts have arrived early and where possible we have shipped early too. The sculptor in this case wants to get him right - the snakes are tricky sculpts, and we don't want to rush the process - quality is very important to us.
We'll keep you all updated in the KS1 updates section as usual.
@Orlando I'm making extra Duguth moulds today to speed up the Anglcynn casting/shipping.
Cheers
Tim
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Post by: judgedoug
Stéphane NGuyen is doing Ssibyross, right? If so, I don't mind the wait, it'll probably be a masterpiece.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
No problem Tim,
I think I was one of the first when it came to the Tarvrax/Dyndraig shipment so it's only fair somebody else gets to be first for other starters
which is not to say I don't want to get by grubby hands on them as soon as possible
if only it's to look at them and go 'ooooh, aaaah, pretty' before sticking them in a box for several months
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
@Judgedoug that's correct.
30 minutes everyone! Will post the link when we launch!
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Post by: JWBS
Nice : )
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Darklands: First Edition Kickstarter has just launched: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-first-edition This is a follow up to their first kickstarter to fund the new full Rulebook plus a load of minis. Including the expanding of two of their Kindreds for Albainn (Picts) and Byzantii (Dark Age Roman remnants with a mix of Daemons) Entry pledge is quite small as well - £35 + £10 shipping to get you the book, miniature exclusive and any extra freebie stretch goals. They've showed some of their initial stretch goals up front. Female Commander Stretch goal looks interesting. However, I've heard that there are additional hidden goals to be released as the campaign progresses Darklands and Uhtred:  General Stretch Goal:  Commander Stretch Goal:  Female Commander Stretch Goal:  Sorcerer Stretch Goal:  Monstrous Commander Stretch Goal: 
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
It is indeed - we beat the KS1 first 24 hour total in just 3 minutes!
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Post by: JWBS
Are there still plans for a concept art book? I don't like rules, just fluff and art. Can't see any mention of the art book.
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Post by: Alpharius
The stretch goals all unlock the ability to purchase additional models?
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Post by: zedmeister
 Alpharius wrote:The stretch goals all unlock the ability to purchase additional models?
Yes, but there are rumoured to be hidden stretch goals that will be unveiled at certain levels
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Yuppers.
All of the "DARKLANDS & UHTRED" rewards will give backers access to the "free" stretch goals which will be unveiled over time as well as a couple of other special offers.
Darklands and Uhtred is the one to go for for any free goals - though The Nobles package also gets you the freebies (and a £200 discount over buying everything separately!)
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Thus far I like Crom from the Generals, Ciniod from the Commanders (the Ysian Gondard isn't doing it as much for me), Annik from the Female Commanders (thought I might skip her), Velchior and Zethag from the Sorcerors, Bagseg, Scecchus and Brugg from the Monstrous Commanders.
Thus far the concept art looks awesome, and as it has translated so well beforehand, it should also be awesome this time around too.
Looking forward to see how this pans out!
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Post by: JWBS
Hmm dunno if I'll be going for this one, only minis I really want are Mananaan (mounted chaos warrior) and Scecchus (Demon monstrous general), and these seem to be £30 each with no freebies, if I understand the KS properly.
Doesn't seem to be much in the way of Beastmen so far either, except the Tarvax encounter host (£80 and includes the previously released Minotaur general, 5 infantry models, and some dice / tokens).
I suppose I could go for the £30 Early book / LE mini and see how the project develops but I'm not so excited about this KS as I was the last.
/Edit, actually £90 for the Tarvax host, is this right, 5 infantry and a minotaur general? Seems a lot, does Encounter include the book and LE mini as well?
Edit 2, ok I see under Further stretch goals the possibility of "other goodies...(books)", so I think my plan is to get the £30 book and hope for some interesting freebies. The £5 saving on the mounted / monstrous generals doesn't seem appealing, given the distant ETA, nor does the Encounter host (doesn't seem to be much new stuff or great value for money there compared to KS1, imho). I know that this KS was always going to be about the rules so I'm just going to hope for some nice model reveals / KS bonuses to keep me interested : )
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Post by: decker_cky
It's actually £80 for the Tarvax host isn't it?
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Give it time dude, it's only just started. I am sure there are a heck of a lot of new designs to come. The last kickstarter was adding new miniatures all along the way till the end.
Edit: I'd go for one of those Encounter Host's if I hadn't already grabbed pretty much all I needed from the Ysian's the first time around. Interested to see where they go with the Ogre sized Albainn's. Would like some to go with my Confrontation guys Kelt Sessairs, as much as the Ysian's partner nicely with the Kelt Drunes and Ophidian's from Rackham.
Welp, this confirms it, will be selling my Kings of War stuff to fund this. I'd rather have the better quality than a bunch of miniatures I am not so keen in putting together or painting.
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Post by: JWBS
 Fenriswulf wrote:Give it time dude, it's only just started. I am sure there are a heck of a lot of new designs to come. The last kickstarter was adding new miniatures all along the way till the end.
Yeah, see my edit above. Just gonna live my life in my usual pragmatic manner and maybe hope (a little bit) for something to pique my interest : ) I was very happy with the last KS, so if nothing else I can always look back fondly on that Automatically Appended Next Post:
Correct, looks like it's the rhino men for £90, beastmen (what I'd be going for) £80.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
My wallet went into cardiac arrest upon seeing how much it will cost me to get the things I like.
I guess I'm in for a rule book and bonus figure for now. That's not cheap as it is! Hopefully some neat stuff with turn up in these further stretch goals.
Would I be wrong to assume there will be an option to pledge more once the campaign wraps up?
There's too many neat kickstarters coming up, and I don't want to limit myself by throwing everything I've got into this one just yet.
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Post by: zedmeister
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Would I be wrong to assume there will be an option to pledge more once the campaign wraps up?
There's too many neat kickstarters coming up, and I don't want to limit myself by throwing everything I've got into this one just yet.
I'd say so. They've been pretty generous in opening up the KS1 to additional pledges...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well it's officially funded
and Mierce Tim (the casting master) has hinted that the Generals on horseback might become better value later on
(my speculation is we might see an foot version added as a freebie to each general for those on the freebie track)
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Fenriswulf wrote:Give it time dude, it's only just started. I am sure there are a heck of a lot of new designs to come. The last kickstarter was adding new miniatures all along the way till the end.
For comparison, the starter hosts are about $30 better than the infantry starters were when they begain in the first kickstarter. The Duguth get Creoda, the Drunes get 5 more axe guys, etc.
However they dont appear to get stretch goals, so it looks like they might end up being a bit less good. Which is about how it should be. The new hosts are ready to go, the first kickstarter had wait time and a a reputation issue from the whole Maelstrome Games mess to overcome.
I'm hoping the mounted guys get unmounted versions, particularly Eadric.
Nice to see the balloon boobs are gone, as I think the melisune's really were the weakest sculpts in the line. The females are all pretty awesome, through Birna is in some kind of goofy hair flip stance. Zethag is a nice piece of anti fanservice I cant wait to get. Automatically Appended Next Post: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Well it's officially funded
and Mierce Tim (the casting master) has hinted that the Generals on horseback might become better value later on
(my speculation is we might see an foot version added as a freebie to each general for those on the freebie track)
Nice. If they do that they should have some stick on legs for Xontor though heh.
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Post by: JWBS
Ah yes, the infantry units are monstrous infantry aren't they? Dunno why I forgot about that, had it in mind that they are standard infantry sized. Maybe add some illustration for new / slow people. Are you sure the last starters were $30 cheaper? Mine cost £76, with an earlybird discount, so not much different to the £80 Encounter sets. Still I'd say they're more than a bit less good considering the obscene amount of freebies we got with that last starter sets.
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Post by: decker_cky
Needs to be a gabrax host.
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Post by: grefven
There are really some beautiful concept arts in this project. And with the history of the miniatures staying true to the concept art, and with the great line of sculptors to realize them, this KS will produce some really high quality figures that will look awesome.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
So I just might be crazy enough to pick up a few Dyndraigs or Khthones.
How big are these guys supposed to be?
I think one of those three headed Khthone nobles would make for a great centerpiece for a reptilian raiding party, especially if they end up as large as I think they might end up.
I know the Khthones haven't gone out into the wild yet, but can anyone direct me to some comparison pics of a typical tabletop figure in relation to a Dyndraig?
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Post by: grefven
highlord tamburlaine wrote:So I just might be crazy enough to pick up a few Dyndraigs or Khthones.
How big are these guys supposed to be?
I think one of those three headed Khthone nobles would make for a great centerpiece for a reptilian raiding party, especially if they end up as large as I think they might end up.
I know the Khthones haven't gone out into the wild yet, but can anyone direct me to some comparison pics of a typical tabletop figure in relation to a Dyndraig?
Does this help any?
http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/downloads/scale_shots_medium.jpg
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
JWBS wrote:Ah yes, the infantry units are monstrous infantry aren't they? Dunno why I forgot about that, had it in mind that they are standard infantry sized. Maybe add some illustration for new / slow people. Are you sure the last starters were $30 cheaper? Mine cost £76, with an earlybird discount, so not much different to the £80 Encounter sets. Still I'd say they're more than a bit less good considering the obscene amount of freebies we got with that last starter sets.
Ahh, you're right. I forgot the regular infantry were cheaper than the monstrous (what I did my spot checks on). I was thinking the original Anglecyn was 80 for Penda and the 10 guys, and this was 80 for Timoth, 10 guys and Creoda. The human sized infantry were actually 60 the first time. Sorry for the confusion!
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Post by: Yodhrin
Hmm, there's a couple of the first batch I like the look of, but the reward schema combined with the timescale just isn't doing it for me. I'd wait until June 2014 and after if there was a miniatures-only pledge that included the freebies, or I'd make a miniatures-only pledge if the delivery date was sooner.
I'll have to wait and see how the Byzantii shape up, but as it stands I'll probably just wait for retail.
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Post by: RiTides
Wow, 30 pounds for a single mounted general seems pricey 
I see Orlando posted that those might become a better deal later on, but they're expensive to buy now, especially since you're having to do so based on concept art rather than sculpts (and might end up preferring a different one once they're sculpted).
Not much in this campaign that seems to incentivize backing now as opposed to waiting till they retail, at least at the moment.
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Post by: decker_cky
RiTides wrote:I see Orlando posted that those might become a better deal later on, but they're expensive to buy now, especially since you're having to do so based on concept art rather than sculpts (and might end up preferring a different one once they're sculpted).
Just curious, have you noticed any Mierce models that weren't very accurate to their concept art? Seems like that's a real strong-point for the company (and I'm sure they'll show examples of past concept to execution in some of their updates).
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The generals are confirmed to 'stretch' at some point
Mierce on the comments
"yes, but there will also be 8 "free" generals on foot once we reach a certain level... the prices are high both a) because they were too cheap in the last KS and b) that gives us leg room for freebies"
and on prices compared to the last KS
"the KS1 prices were too low; Cearl's RRP is £25 ['werewolf' mini from KS1], Hrór will be bigger with more detail (RRP most likely £35), and later on this year I'm afraid there will be a price rise for many miniatures. This KS reflects that price rise. Just in case you were all wondering..."
(so if anybody is holding out on adding KS1 stuff you might want to get it sooner rather than later)
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Post by: RiTides
Decker- I simply meant that you might prefer a different model once it's sculpted. To take Arena Rex, for example, the concept art AND sculpts are all great, but some models once I see them sculpted become must-buys if I get into that game, whereas others that I was hooked by the art on I could skip.
Orlando, you can't add anything from KS1 in this campaign, right? It just seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive here, but maybe they're letting the initial wave of pledges pass before adding more incentive.
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Post by: Mahrdol
RiTides wrote:Decker- I simply meant that you might prefer a different model once it's sculpted. To take Arena Rex, for example, the concept art AND sculpts are all great, but some models once I see them sculpted become must-buys if I get into that game, whereas others that I was hooked by the art on I could skip.
Orlando, you can't add anything from KS1 in this campaign, right? It just seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive here, but maybe they're letting the initial wave of pledges pass before adding more incentive.
Some of the sculptors I feel pretty safe buying anything they do. The last KS I waited until I found out who was sculpting or saw some of the WIPS and then added on.
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Post by: Alpharius
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:The generals are confirmed to 'stretch' at some point
Mierce on the comments
"yes, but there will also be 8 "free" generals on foot once we reach a certain level... the prices are high both a) because they were too cheap in the last KS and b) that gives us leg room for freebies"
and on prices compared to the last KS
"the KS1 prices were too low; Cearl's RRP is £25 ['werewolf' mini from KS1], Hrór will be bigger with more detail (RRP most likely £35), and later on this year I'm afraid there will be a price rise for many miniatures. This KS reflects that price rise. Just in case you were all wondering..."
(so if anybody is holding out on adding KS1 stuff you might want to get it sooner rather than later)
Doesn't that kind of mean they aren't quite 'freebies' then?
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Post by: plastictrees
Sure, but that's equally true of any KS that has planned things out properly and doesn't end up rueing the day they ever submitted the campaign.
They are just being a little more transparent about it.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It's not uncommon on KS
(tying a stretch to an initial 'purchace' so what looks expensive to start ends up better value)
I first saw it on Relic Knights, and it happened in Wrath of Kings too (not so sure of the CMON KSes in between as I didn't back those)
Raging Heroes did it by tossing in exta weapons/head if you bought a particular box
Cthulhu wars tied some freebies to specific pledges for specific add ons
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Post by: Zond
Not really feeling this one yet but it's early days. I'd be tempted to go for a Warhost if got stretch goals. It would also be nice if there was a pledge between the £80 and £700 mark.
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Post by: cincydooley
I'm excited. All of the Norse generals I pretty much like.
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Post by: Elemental
I didn't go for the first KS because of worries born of the Maelstrom implosion. But since they seem to have lived up to their promises on the first one, I might give this a look
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Post by: JWBS
Zond wrote:Not really feeling this one yet but it's early days. I'd be tempted to go for a Warhost if got stretch goals. It would also be nice if there was a pledge between the £80 and £700 mark.
Yes to all of this.
I suppose I'll buy the mounted chaos warrior if they throw in a foot version somewhere down the line, and probably the monstrous demon byzantine general too as a treat for myself. The last thing I bought from GW was a contemptor and I imagine the monstrous general will be more impressive and better value so it's not too difficult to rationalise. Not as many minis as KS1 and paying an extra tenner, so I'll just keep my fingers crossed for an art book, if that happens I'll be content.
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Post by: ulgurstasta
Man! Jörmungand is totally badass
But as it stands right now I'm holding back, as I'm only interested in the miniatures. A bit boring that only the rulebook-level pledge get freebies but hopefully there will be more cool stretch goals to make up for it.
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Post by: Baragash
Gah.....3 factions talking to me but can't really justify more than one 
Does anyone have a concept of the point (ie points value/gold coinage) at which the monsters become viable in games, as that makes a significant difference to my thinking?
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Post by: cincydooley
What specifically are you asking? We've played twice with the rough quick start rules.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Ubiquity Limits
skirmish battle war
ubiquity min/max min/max min/max
Mainstay 0/- 1/- 2/-
Common 0/6 0/8 1/10
Uncommon 0/3 0/4 0/6
Rare 0/2 0/3 0/4
Unique 0/0 0/1 0/2
this is the matrix showing what you can field at different battle sizes
most of the monstrous stuff is Uncommon (eg Trolls), rare or Unique but they are correspondingly good in battle
The stuff that's out at the moment is heavily biased in this way with only the Angelcyn (duguth) and Ysians (axe and bow drunes) having common units
(sorry the table formatting is missing, it shows up OK on edit, but not on the main screen and I can't get it to work)
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Post by: plastictrees
 cincydooley wrote:What specifically are you asking? We've played twice with the rough quick start rules.
How'd that go? Have you posted your thoughts anywhere?
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Post by: Baragash
cincydooley wrote:What specifically are you asking? We've played twice with the rough quick start rules.
I guess I'm asking are they only playable in "big" (not that I'm clear on what big is at the moment) games either due to cost or power?
EDIT@Orlando: thanks that's a helpful, but specifically I'm talking about monsters (in particular the chimera and the kraken) rather than monstrous infantry.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You can pull down the muster lists and muster rules here (details on each unit/mini out so far) http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war/posts/584781 Skirmishes (up to 1000 gold) are played on a 4 x 4 and should take up to 2hr Battles 1000-2500, 6 x 4 and up to 4-5 hours War 2500 to 5000 8 x 4 and all day the Chimera is Rare so while you could in theory have up to 2 in a skirmish game its costs of 382 gold mean you'd be pretty limited to get anything much else in the Kraken (I'm guessing you mean Uthull, the monster swinging the anchor) is again Rare and costs slightly less at 312 so you might justify 2 a bit better hope this helps (again most of the minis so far are in the 'fancy' end of things so making a balanced force is not as easy at it will be with some solid mainstay and common units which this KS should hopefully produce)
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Post by: jah-joshua
nice to see some great new concept art from Des Hanley, and Stephan Kopinski...
Danny Cruz's work is starting to grow on me...
Dan Warren, Christophe Madura, and Steve Pierce have done some interesting stuff...
not feeling Sam Lamont's style...
Bethan Hughes left WD, and is now doing concept art for you guys...
interesting...
i'd say good score, but her concepts are the worst of the bunch...
the linework on the concepts for Theliatiss and Velchior is worringly bad...
here's hoping she will tighten her drawings up with more practice...
all in all, looks like some cool minis are coming down the pipe...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Mahrdol
Some of the art are WIP I think.
I added up all the models and the book and I come up with 810 pounds total for DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES pledge.
I am not sure how they are getting 900 pounds.
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Post by: judgedoug
 Mahrdol wrote:Some of the art are WIP I think.
I added up all the models and the book and I come up with 810 pounds total for DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES pledge.
I am not sure how they are getting 900 pounds.
is that including the models that cost more than the normal amount?
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Post by: Mahrdol
judgedoug wrote: Mahrdol wrote:Some of the art are WIP I think.
I added up all the models and the book and I come up with 810 pounds total for DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES pledge.
I am not sure how they are getting 900 pounds.
is that including the models that cost more than the normal amount?
Yes and it includes early bird special so it would be 815 with non early bird.
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Post by: yxalitis
In for 30 GBP, and I will use that to order minis I like.
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Post by: plastictrees
In for £500. Will see if we get to any infantry to maintain that pledge or not. ( haha, I will find something to spend it on)
Looking forward to seeing what else they are planning to take us through to 100k and beyond.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Took a look. Possibly pretty mini's. The ones out now are nice. The price point is simply not for me. I'll keep an eye on this though to see if a certain model catches my eye.
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Post by: Makaleth
 Hulksmash wrote:Took a look. Possibly pretty mini's. The ones out now are nice. The price point is simply not for me. I'll keep an eye on this though to see if a certain model catches my eye.
Not even the Elephant man?
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Post by: cincydooley
All I know is that Carrasco is doing all the stuff for my Norse, so looks like I'll be suckered in for all of em
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Post by: yxalitis
OFFICIAL TRADE POST FOR MIERCE KS2!
Alright fellow Mierce fans...
I only paint monsters.
Demons, dragons, fell creatures of all kinds.
But show me a human, and I am all like: meh...
Given that, and given also the 30GBP inclusion of an exclusive, I have up for grabs:
Uhtred!
Oh, and this rulebook thingy...
I will accept a trade for anyone with the "I just want miniatures" pledge, who can purchase a monstrous mini for me.
Preferably an Aussie or Kiwi (to keep shipping costs down), but open to all takers at this stage.
Thanks!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wow, a furry Krull!
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Post by: deadairis
 zedmeister wrote: Bolognesus wrote:
Yes. Just the Khthones. Also known as: my entire order. Which is why pledging again feels a bit like a blind guess, with some of Mierce's history.
And yes, I know they seem to be quite okay now. And I have some of the stuff from before the 'mierce' time (couple of the standard bearers that are still in the not-darklands range, as well as the big honkin' tree who's also not made the transition) so I know their sculpting/casting seems to be up to snuff.
Prices 'feel' a bit high, though I must say I felt quite a bit better about the RRP of the treeman (even though I got it through the final Maelstrom-blowout debacle and so only paid something in the order of fifteen or twenty quid for it, even when amortizing the parts of that order I never got over the parts I did) after actually assembling it and seeing how big and detailed it really is; I'm hearing the Darklands stuff is generally the same quality and I hear everyone stating it's all fething huge, so I'm probably going to be quite happy (loving the pics so far, that's for sure) but still; dropping another eighty or so quid potentially, knowing UK- NL shipping times of late, pretty much blind, is not something I like doing all that much
Understood. It may be worth getting in touch with Mierce to see if they can speed anything up. No harm in asking at the least...
Not to dismiss that irritation or the concerns about Mierce, but they've been 100% great as a backer for this. I have some kits delivered, some on hold, and have been basically emailing them from monthly to weekly for updates because I'm an awful consumer. They've been very excited that I was excited and tolerant of how I was expressing it, kept backers as a whole up to date as the process moved, and the miniatures I've gotten have been excellent.
That noted, kickstarters are kickstarters. Back them with the same money you can go gambling with.
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Post by: zedmeister
Here's a larger finished Concept of Scecchus, the Byzantii monstrous commander
Daniel Cockersell is booked to do the sculpt...
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Post by: Baragash
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:hope this helps (again most of the minis so far are in the 'fancy' end of things so making a balanced force is not as easy at it will be with some solid mainstay and common units which this KS should hopefully produce)
It's been incredibly helpful in getting my head round the shape of things, thank you. 
It has unfortunately not taken any options off the table, so my wallet is currently cowering in the corner of a therapy room
Maybe I should get second faction so I can entice other people to play.........
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Post by: zedmeister
 Baragash wrote:
Maybe I should get second faction so I can entice other people to play.........
2 is always good. Also, check out who can ally with who in the quickstarter rules - should make it easier if you get two Kindreds who can ally into one big force...
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Post by: razormage
Their first update has gone up, and for those of you who didn't think the mounted Generals were a good deal at £30.00, they will be when we reach £50,000:
Wow! To say that we didn't expect our Kickstarter project to be funded within an hour is an understatement. To get almost double that within the first day is incredible! We're a bit shell-shocked to be honest.
We humbly thank everyone who has allowed us to meet our funding goal of £20,000 - thank you very much guys, and it's great to see people as excited about Darklands as we are. There's plenty more to come.
So, now that we've achieved our Funding Goal, let's reward you with some free stuff once we reach £50,000...
Click here for a larger version of the above image.
As it says on the tin, a general on foot is FREE if you've purchased his equivalent on horseback from the same kindred. So if you've purchased Eadric already, you'll get Eadric on foot for free once we reach £50,000!
(Obviously, the purchase of Xontór will net you Ágriosávra - for free).
Please note, however, a miniature from this stretch goal is ONLY free to those backers that have chosen the "DARKLANDS & UHTRED", "DARKLANDS & UHTRED, EARLIER", "DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES" or "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT" rewards, and purchased a mounted general.
Thus, if you have not chosen those rewards, or if you fancy additional generals on foot, you must increase your pledge by £10 ($15) to purchase a general on foot.
Please note, there are no additional shipping fees for acquiring a general on foot if you've already chosen a reward, and they'll be shipped with the first wave of rulebook and miniatures, in June 2014.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
And yes, if you purchased the "Darklands, Uhtred & Nobles" deal you get ALL of the general's on foot for free (as you have already purchased all the mounted generals).
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Post by: ulgurstasta
More Lizardmen, this pleases me 
Hopefully we will see more human-sized monster infantry (lizardfolk, beastmen etc...) as this progresses.
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Post by: Yodhrin
So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Yodhrin wrote:So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.
Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.
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Post by: judgedoug
cincydooley wrote: Yodhrin wrote:So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.
Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.
I agree. The Mierce figs I own are just the best sculpts on the planet. And they're cheaper than Finecast (what, Archaon is up to $50 now? for a worse sculpt in a shittier material?)
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Post by: razormage
judgedoug wrote:
I agree. The Mierce figs I own are just the best sculpts on the planet. And they're cheaper than Finecast (what, Archaon is up to $50 now? for a worse sculpt in a shittier material?)
Yea, GW has price increased themselves to the point where Mierce are only a fraction more expensive, especially when you can find their stuff at a discount.
$57.50 for a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, or $62.50 for Shaaroc the Reviled during KS1? $24.75 for a Razorgor or $22.00 for Baintaac at Mierce's retail price? $49.50 for a Doombull, or $35.98 for Ckaarakk, Untain of the Tarvax at his retail price? It's an easy call, for my money. Yea, Mierce is expensive, but GW is so close behind that I'm willing to shell out an extra few bucks (or save more than a few, in some of these cases!) for the better quality.
Really, if I ever want to field a Slaughter-Brute, I can buy Blood Maw for a whopping $1.38 more and have a far, far, far superior (and much creepier!) model to put on the table.
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Post by: judgedoug
 razormage wrote: judgedoug wrote:
I agree. The Mierce figs I own are just the best sculpts on the planet. And they're cheaper than Finecast (what, Archaon is up to $50 now? for a worse sculpt in a shittier material?)
Yea, GW has price increased themselves to the point where Mierce are only a fraction more expensive, especially when you can find their stuff at a discount.
$57.50 for a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, or $62.50 for Shaaroc the Reviled during KS1? $24.75 for a Razorgor or $22.00 for Baintaac at Mierce's retail price? $49.50 for a Doombull, or $35.98 for Ckaarakk, Untain of the Tarvax at his retail price? It's an easy call, for my money. Yea, Mierce is expensive, but GW is so close behind that I'm willing to shell out an extra few bucks (or save more than a few, in some of these cases!) for the better quality.
Really, if I ever want to field a Slaughter-Brute, I can buy Blood Maw for a whopping $1.38 more and have a far, far, far superior (and much creepier!) model to put on the table.
Especially as Mierce's models are larger and more detailed. Comparing the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth to Shaaroc only barely works, Shaaroc is at least twice as massive.
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Post by: JWBS
I think it's a bit of a red herring to claim Mierce miniatures are good value by comparing them to GW, given that GW are horribly over-priced. I can't disagree that they're aesthetically superior (wrote earlier in the thread during KS1 that they've taken the GW mantle of quality, where GW's quality has been steadily,unceasingly declining over time), but to say they're ok for price by comparing them to something that's really not ok at all, I dunno. Then again I don't know what their finances are, I'd be very surprised if they had a Scrooge McDuck style coin vault at Mierce HQ.
Isn't Aradae the Shaggoth equivalent? I really like the Shaggoth, it comes from an era when GW could claim to be the Ferrari of toy soldiers with something resembling a straight face. I think the Aradae is a lot bigger though, and made with proper resin.
Looks like I'll be adding a mounted general with news of the 50k stretch bonus.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Aradae is a lot bigger than the Shaggoth, and looks a hell of a lot more impressive.
I bought Carrowek on horse and foot, and he craps all over Archaon. So massive and brutal looking, he definitely looks like what a soldier favoured by the gods would look like.
I think Mierce is more expensive than others, but I would rather pay more for a good miniature than less for ones I am not happy about.
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Post by: razormage
JWBS wrote:Isn't Aradae the Shaggoth equivalent? I really like the Shaggoth, it comes from an era when GW could claim to be the Ferrari of toy soldiers with something resembling a straight face. I think the Aradae is a lot bigger though, and made with proper resin.
D'oh, and to think I went and based up a unit of them to just use as generic massive Dragon Ogres...
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Post by: Yodhrin
cincydooley wrote: Yodhrin wrote:So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.
Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.
I'm not fussed about their value in an absolute sense, I already own a few Mierce figures and they're stunning, worth every penny. What I object to is the proposition that I would be asked to pay more money than another backer for exactly the same product simply because I have no interest in the Darklands rules or the special edition figure. They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset. They can do that if they like, it's their KS and their product, I'm just saying that doing things that way eliminates my interest in participating; why pay full retail price(Carrowek on foot and on horseback together currently cost £38.68 including shipping, and they said a modest price rise for their line as a whole is reflected in the KS costs) and wait until some point after July 2014, when that's what I'd have to do if I was going to buy it at retail anyway? There's no incentive.
If they put in a miniatures-only pledge that includes the freebies, I'll be all over this. Otherwise, they're essentially asking me to preorder miniatures a year in advance.
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Post by: JWBS
Apparently they're adding another £66.666 stretch goal at any minute, some massive Servile minion of Dis uber-demon, £70 rrp Automatically Appended Next Post: Yodhrin wrote: cincydooley wrote: Yodhrin wrote:So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.
Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.
I'm not fussed about their value in an absolute sense, I already own a few Mierce figures and they're stunning, worth every penny. What I object to is the proposition that I would be asked to pay more money than another backer for exactly the same product simply because I have no interest in the Darklands rules or the special edition figure. They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset. They can do that if they like, it's their KS and their product, I'm just saying that doing things that way eliminates my interest in participating; why pay full retail price(Carrowek on foot and on horseback together currently cost £38.68 including shipping, and they said a modest price rise for their line as a whole is reflected in the KS costs) and wait until some point after July 2014, when that's what I'd have to do if I was going to buy it at retail anyway? There's no incentive.
If they put in a miniatures-only pledge that includes the freebies, I'll be all over this. Otherwise, they're essentially asking me to preorder miniatures a year in advance.
Yeah I agree. I don't want the rules either but I've pledged for them due to the structure of this KS. I just hope there's plenty of decent art and fluff in the book as well as some nice freebies so that it's not a total write off (since I'm not all that fussed about the KS miniature either).
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Post by: razormage
Yodhrin wrote:They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset. They can do that if they like, it's their KS and their product, I'm just saying that doing things that way eliminates my interest in participating
I'm sorry that you feel that way. I get the impression that this Kickstarter is their attempt to say, "We're not making models just for you to drop into games of Warhammer (or Warmahordes or whatever else you want to use them for); we're creating our own world, and these are the creatures that live in it."
Sure, a lot of their stuff is dual-use, but if you look at models like Torku, or Grimmin, or the Khthonics, or some of the Infernii concepts that are in this Kickstarter, it's clear Mierce is trying to get away from just being a higher quality model company that replicates a lot of what GW has rules in place for. It would make sense to me that, if this is their goal, they're going to reward the backers who want to join in on sharing this vision and try out the ruleset that they've been working on for the past year. I think it's really a necessary step for them take if they want to go from being a Gamezone scaled manufacturer into more of a Privateer Press or Reaper sized company that has its own rules supporting its miniature sales. It's always risky to rely on other companies to give people an excuse to buy your models.
That's not to bash Gamezone - they do fantastic stuff as well - but I think Mierce is trying to have some control over their own success, rather than assuming Warhammer will always be The Fantasy Miniatures Game everyone plays. Confrontation was quite popular in my area before Rackham collapsed, and Mierce could step in and fill that void for a high-quality skirmishing fantasy game in my area.
[Edit: too many typos, made my brain hurt!]
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Post by: Mahrdol
The miniatures are made un the UK. I am more then willing to pay a little extra for better quality items not produced by indentured servants in china.
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[EDIT: JWBS beat me to it. Just ignore this.]
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Post by: Mahrdol
He looks awesome. I will pick him up for sure.
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Post by: cincydooley
Yodhrin wrote:
They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset.
And thats absolutely what they should be doing. I think I'm one of the only people on the planet that was irritated that CMoN buckled to the pressure from the Zombicide backers and allowed them to pick up the Zombicide Wrath of Kings models without picking up a Wrath of Kings starter box. Making exclusives or special editions for previous products and attaching them to your new product is the absolute best way to drive people that may have not been previously interested in your game into checking it out.
I mean, Mierce made it pretty explicit that this KS was for the ruleset. There just happen to be a few new models being produced in conjuction with it. If they want their ruleset to be viable in the future, they have to push it now and not make their absolutely stunning miniatures simply an alternative model set to use in WHFB.
I completely understand where you don't like it, I just simply disagree that there's anything at all wrong with it. In fact, I think it's the right thing for them to do.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I agree too
this KS was mainly to get the full rulebook out in saleable form
the minis are a major bonus on top
The are probably sacrificing some cash from folk who will pass as the mini only level is without the freebies but in the long term it's probably good for the game overall
and if things go well enough we might get the book expanded with more cool art & background (though this is not certain and either a special version at additional cost or a background book are equally possible)
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
I would pledge for the rules if I could get a faction specific pledge level. The gap between 80 and 700 is just too huge.
I know they have said later they would add more pledge levels, but I would really like to see a pledge level for the new sculpts for one faction.
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Post by: Lochlannon
I'm in for the rulebook. If you are interested in specific minis let me know and we can work out the details. I would be up for getting a bunch sent to me and then redirecting.
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Post by: Alpharius
Anyone getting these miniatures might as well get a rulebook - many of these things aren't really going to work well in any other system... they're too big!
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Post by: gohkm
But they'd make great boss fights for a DnD campaign.
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Post by: judgedoug
I'm using the Gorgonares as unit-filler for Gamezone Dark Elf regiments for my Cult of Set
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
 JudgeShamgar wrote:I would pledge for the rules if I could get a faction specific pledge level. The gap between 80 and 700 is just too huge.
I know they have said later they would add more pledge levels, but I would really like to see a pledge level for the new sculpts for one faction.
You can just build your own pledge levels from existing ones though, since the other pledge levels are basically just add-ons that are eligible for stretch goals.
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Post by: primalexile
This is a game I would love to see a Twilight Knight for! The art style and sculpt of Mierce lines are unreal!
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Post by: plastictrees
Just got my Troll starter in the mail from KS1 (To add to my Angelcynn starter, Tarvax starter and Sronax starter...).
The trolls are phenomenal, just incredible detail and texture on the skin. I'll be picking up anything Mr. Carrasco does for the line in the future.
Kjartan is...adequate. Vague detail on the face in particular and elsewhere. James van Schaik continues to be the least impressive sculptor that Mierce use, although Kjartan isn't the Melusine gong show by any means.
Eirik is phenomenal and shows the sort of detail that is possible at this scale.
I'm wavering over getting yet another starter from KS1 while I still can. I've decided that I need to pick two factions and stick with them as much as possible for KS2 otherwise I'll be spending $500+ just on the characters I want!
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Post by: zedmeister
plastictrees wrote:Just got my Troll starter in the mail from KS1 (To add to my Angelcynn starter, Tarvax starter and Sronax starter...).
The trolls are phenomenal, just incredible detail and texture on the skin. I'll be picking up anything Mr. Carrasco does for the line in the future.
Kjartan is...adequate. Vague detail on the face in particular and elsewhere. James van Schaik continues to be the least impressive sculptor that Mierce use, although Kjartan isn't the Melusine gong show by any means.
Eirik is phenomenal and shows the sort of detail that is possible at this scale.
I'm wavering over getting yet another starter from KS1 while I still can. I've decided that I need to pick two factions and stick with them as much as possible for KS2 otherwise I'll be spending $500+ just on the characters I want!
Yeah I know that feeling. I started out liking the Fomoraic, KS1 sold me the Angelcynn, Brythoniaid were quickly next and now this KS is drawing me into the Albainn. Also, that Centurion. Hmmmm. Thankfully, they aren't doing the Atalantes yet...
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Luckily the Albainn's "hobo geologist" look isn't really working for me at the moment. I've also firmly decided against the Kthones and the Ysians (with some pain, as Drunes are my Confrontation army of choice....these are just too beefy). But everything else is still kicking my wallet around.
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Post by: JWBS
Wow we can still get KS1 stuff at discount? I think I'll get the stuff I resisted at the time.
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Post by: primalexile
Really kicking myself for missing out on the first! SHARPEN YOUR CLAWS would be perfect for what I want...... Damn my indecisiveness!
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Post by: Yodhrin
cincydooley wrote: Yodhrin wrote:
They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset.
And thats absolutely what they should be doing. I think I'm one of the only people on the planet that was irritated that CMoN buckled to the pressure from the Zombicide backers and allowed them to pick up the Zombicide Wrath of Kings models without picking up a Wrath of Kings starter box. Making exclusives or special editions for previous products and attaching them to your new product is the absolute best way to drive people that may have not been previously interested in your game into checking it out.
I mean, Mierce made it pretty explicit that this KS was for the ruleset. There just happen to be a few new models being produced in conjuction with it. If they want their ruleset to be viable in the future, they have to push it now and not make their absolutely stunning miniatures simply an alternative model set to use in WHFB.
I completely understand where you don't like it, I just simply disagree that there's anything at all wrong with it. In fact, I think it's the right thing for them to do.
You'll note that I actually specifically mentioned that there is nothing wrong with it, and that it is their right, I was merely explaining the reasons why I was choosing not to back a KS which I had previously been planning to invest heavily in. Personally I've always taken the stance that carrot is better than stick; Mierce's offerings are stylistically unique enough that I think their ruleset will achieve its maximum potential market penetration regardless of whether or not they use artificial strategies during the KS to attempt to increase that proliferation, I feel they'd get more mileage from encouraging the spread of their lovely miniatures as far and wide as they possibly can, but I'm obviously biased.
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Post by: plastictrees
Just to clarify, you're objecting to the fact that all stretch eligible pledge levels include the rulebook?
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Post by: RiTides
razormage wrote:JWBS wrote:Isn't Aradae the Shaggoth equivalent? I really like the Shaggoth, it comes from an era when GW could claim to be the Ferrari of toy soldiers with something resembling a straight face. I think the Aradae is a lot bigger though, and made with proper resin.
D'oh, and to think I went and based up a unit of them to just use as generic massive Dragon Ogres...
Wow, that's really good work!
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Post by: JWBS
plastictrees wrote:Just to clarify, you're objecting to the fact that all stretch eligible pledge levels include the rulebook?
Or that you have to buy the rulebook to be eligible for stretch bonuses.
That's what I don't like anyway. I'll buy and paint their minis, as I did in their first KS and as I did when they were Bane legions. I'll never play a Darklands skirmish game.
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Post by: Makaleth
JWBS wrote: plastictrees wrote:Just to clarify, you're objecting to the fact that all stretch eligible pledge levels include the rulebook?
Or that you have to buy the rulebook to be eligible for stretch bonuses.
That's what I don't like anyway. I'll buy and paint their minis, as I did in their first KS and as I did when they were Bane legions. I'll never play a Darklands skirmish game.
Exactly what I am doing as well.
Small price to pay for entry into the KS really
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Post by: Alpharius
Never?
That's long, long time!
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Post by: cincydooley
 Yeah, You have to get the actual product being KSed if you want to be eligible for stretch goals and/or freebies.
Shocking, right?
Honestly, I wish KS would make it policy that all pledges that receive something must include the primary focus product of the KS.
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Post by: RiTides
Kickstarter doesn't need any more arbitrary policies- it's already hard enough to navigate. "No more than 10 of a reward" "No existing products" etc... they're often wanting to have their cake and eat it too regarding not being a store, yet being a platform made to basically sell stuff
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Post by: Slinky
"No existing products" is never followed 100% anyway.
The encounter hosts in this KS are almost entirely made up of KS1 figures.
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Post by: RiTides
But that's exactly my point- they already have rules that are pretty arbitrary and randomly enforced, they don't need one that's even moreso such as "pledges that receive something must include the primary focus product of the KS".
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Post by: cincydooley
I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.
And with gaming ones in particular, it would make it much easier for the companies to respond when people complain that they only want exclusives or add ons but don't want the primary product.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm with RiTides - LESS is MORE here.
Seriously!
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Post by: cincydooley
Well....um...you're both wrong
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Post by: RiTides
I love that response, cincy 
I could see your point if Kickstarter had a track record of enforcing their rules fairly and evenly across the board, but they are far from that . So it is better that they just stay out of the picture regarding "optional" things like that, unless they bring on more staff to police things better.
I really would like a more structured environment, but their primary focus should be on vetting dangerous projects imo, which they are doing a poor job of, rather than on enforcing policies that don't really matter in the end. It's a wild wild west at the moment still, but what they need to do is work more on keeping an eye out for bad apple campaigns, rather than non-essential ( imo) policies like that which would take a lot of effort to enforce fairly.
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Post by: cincydooley
Oh, I don't disagree. I think it's just been tiresome lately to see people complaining that they have to pledge for the primary product. And honestly, I'm not even really directing this at plastictrees, but rather all the bitching and moaning that went on with both the Warmachine Tactics and Wrath of Kings campaigns.
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Post by: plastictrees
Which is good, because I'm not complaining about having to buy the rulebook at all...
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
cincydooley wrote:I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.
At least in this case, while the sculpts were previously done, the fact that they now come with unit rules/stat cards/whatever make it technically a new product, even if a component of said product was previously released.
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Post by: cincydooley
plastictrees wrote:Which is good, because I'm not complaining about having to buy the rulebook at all...
Haha, I put the wrong name in! My bad! I meant Yodharin, but like i said, I'm not even really focussing on him there. Haha.
Regardless, I really do encourage you all to try the darklands rules. It's actually a really neat skirmish system. I think the profile charts could really use some cleaning up, as right now they look like they've been straight pulled from Excel, but the way damage scales is really cool, IMO.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Same.
At best I get a cool system to try out which doesn't need a hell of a lot of miniatures to play.
At worse I get some cool fluff and damn nice artwork.
If you want to buy miniatures, you're free too. Helps more if you buy the book though.
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Post by: zedmeister
cincydooley wrote: plastictrees wrote:Which is good, because I'm not complaining about having to buy the rulebook at all...
Haha, I put the wrong name in! My bad! I meant Yodharin, but like i said, I'm not even really focussing on him there. Haha. Regardless, I really do encourage you all to try the darklands rules. It's actually a really neat skirmish system. I think the profile charts could really use some cleaning up, as right now they look like they've been straight pulled from Excel, but the way damage scales is really cool, IMO.
Indeed so. I think some nicely designed stat charts should sort that out. I'm really excited to see what happens and have been for a while. A skirmish game based in the dark ages with real life influences for Picts, Celts, Fomorians, Angles, Jutes, etc - what's not to like? They've got the right mixture: Stunning miniatures, really nice background (based on legend) and quite a nice ruleset. If they can capitalise on that and build the momentum, Darklands could grow into quite a popular system relatively speaking.
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Post by: JWBS
cincydooley wrote: Yeah, You have to get the actual product being KSed if you want to be eligible for stretch goals and/or freebies.
Shocking, right?
Mockery becomes you Sir! Automatically Appended Next Post: They added another stretch, this time the concept book for £5 off rrp. What with this and the mounted general stretch bonus it seems like a lot of the stretch bonuses aren't even freebies (and really, how many freebies can they possibly add to a £30 book / miniature combo? Especially given they've already said KS1 value was a bit too good). It's looking more and more likely that I'll just be buying minis and art books and eschewing the rule set, depending on what sort of fluff is included in the rules, hopefully they'll be showing us what we can expect at some point.
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Post by: cincydooley
I have to ask: Why are you so opposed to the ruleset?
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Post by: JWBS
I don't play wargames and neither do my friends. I read a fair bit though and I do like books as objects, but if it's 80% stats and rules then it's really not for me no matter how nice it is.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Hopefully the Concept art book features a minimal amount of Beth Hughes work. It just doesn't compare. Hopefully it is all unfinished.
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Post by: Yodhrin
cincydooley wrote:I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.
And with gaming ones in particular, it would make it much easier for the companies to respond when people complain that they only want exclusives or add ons but don't want the primary product.
I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?
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Post by: Azreal13
Yodhrin wrote: cincydooley wrote:I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.
And with gaming ones in particular, it would make it much easier for the companies to respond when people complain that they only want exclusives or add ons but don't want the primary product.
I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?
Actually, I think its a fair point, well made, and your post comes across as a tad agressive. I share your opinion, I don't want the rulebook either, but that isn't what this KS is about.
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Post by: Alpharius
I am slightly surprised that someone who doesn't play wargames is upset at a Kickstarter for a wargames ruleset, but...
It takes all kinds - and I'm all about inclusion here on Dakka Dakka!
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Post by: grefven
primalexile wrote:This is a game I would love to see a Twilight Knight for! The art style and sculpt of Mierce lines are unreal!
Lol... Get the f... out of here!
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Post by: JWBS
I'm not upset, just stating what I don't like about this KS when compared to the previous one, though I suppose the primary focus of that KS was the warbands.
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Post by: plastictrees
I think the primary focus of that KS was establishing a reputation for Mierce Miniatures, seperate from that of previous ventures. Hence the deep discount.
I think the bulk of the stretches will be adding value to add-ons rather than freebies. The "Darklands & Uhtred" buy in is just too low to let them feasibly add much.
There's talk of a huge combo Rule/Fluff/Art book. Presumably that would be available at an upgrade cost for "D&U" pledgers.
I'm looking forward to seeing what the plan is past $100k.
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Post by: Makaleth
As am I,
I am going to end up with a unit of 12 Dragon Warriors at the end of all this... and maybe a lot more, so really interested if there are add ons to the encounter groups.. or is it just bundle and save!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It doesn't help us with how they're going to be given out or when but
From Mierce on the commenta
@Juan - there will be more freebies...
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Post by: plastictrees
Another comment hints at mounted versions of the sorcerer characters.
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Post by: cincydooley
Yodhrin wrote:
I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?
That would be Calvin Coolidge.
But seriously, I'm not trying to be the arbiter of anything. I'm saying I disagree with the complaining that happens on any KS project that you can't just get the "extras" or "add ons." It is my opinion, of which anyone is entitled to disagree with, that if you're going to support a project and want product back in return -- that is, you want to support it more than just an actual donation -- it makes perfect sense for the project managers to require you to actually pledge for the product they're trying to fund. Simply generating more money for the sake of generating more money isn't always a good thing. I think Wrath of Kings is a good example of that.
Sure, getting all the fanatical completionist zombicide players to spend $20 on the Zombicide minis in the WoK kickstarter generated more money, but it does absolutely nothing to benefit the Wrath of Kings game or player base in the long run. Thats why I'm glad they at least half stuck to their guns and made the people that wanted the Twilight Knight buy a starter box as well. If you're looking at these projects as one time deals and don't give a gak about creating a player base that will spend money later, then I guess that's fine for say, a board game. But for a miniatures game that, presumably, will be expanding the line down the future, establishing that player base should be a key focus.
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Post by: judgedoug
Regardless;
yes, I believe the freebies will come to the add-ons. Just like we get a +1 dude for the general level, same deal.
They also said that one of the stretch goals will unlock a larger force for each faction (1000 point to go with the currently existing 500 point Encounter Hosts), that I assume will be a bigger discount and probably have some freebies.
Honestly KS1 didn't have too many freebies. Big guys like the Khthones got Urbad and 2 other figs. Other factions got Urbad and 3-4 small human sized figs.
I'm very pleased with any discount as these models are worth every pfennig of retail price.
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Post by: Makaleth
I am hoping for a 1000 sized dragon force... hopefully with some new models. They are too big and awesome looking to have duplicates.
In the end I got almost all of the big big beasties from the last one, this one doesn't seem to offer them at the moment (time will tell).
I do wonder how big the Elephant Commander will be though, that thing looks impressive.
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Post by: plastictrees
Infantry! We need something for all the big guys to tower over, otherwise we might as well be playing a 65mm game.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Although Mierce has said that they like James van Schaik's speed for infantry units, so I'm a little nervous.
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Post by: Makaleth
I do like the infantry, but I'm in this for the big guys. No one does big guys like them (I have enough small stuff from Reaper )
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Post by: Lansirill
Is it just me, or does it seem like this will be a fairly expensive game to get into. $50 or so for the rulebook, $180 for a small starter set; and you'd probably want two in order to have an opponent (since it's of middling likelihood that you'll know someone else with an army.) Genuinely curious.
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Post by: plastictrees
 Lansirill wrote:Is it just me, or does it seem like this will be a fairly expensive game to get into. $50 or so for the rulebook, $180 for a small starter set; and you'd probably want two in order to have an opponent (since it's of middling likelihood that you'll know someone else with an army.) Genuinely curious.
It's more like $180 for the starter and the rulebook.
That's more than you can start many games for and less than some others. So...yes? I guess. The quality of minis is just phenomenal, the rules, I can't comment on as I haven't used them (or read them properly).
It really depends what you're looking for for your dollars. Model per model I think they are actually quite competitive.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
That sounds cheap compared to...ahem, others.
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Post by: Yodhrin
cincydooley wrote: Yodhrin wrote:
I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?
That would be Calvin Coolidge.
But seriously, I'm not trying to be the arbiter of anything. I'm saying I disagree with the complaining that happens on any KS project that you can't just get the "extras" or "add ons." It is my opinion, of which anyone is entitled to disagree with, that if you're going to support a project and want product back in return -- that is, you want to support it more than just an actual donation -- it makes perfect sense for the project managers to require you to actually pledge for the product they're trying to fund. Simply generating more money for the sake of generating more money isn't always a good thing. I think Wrath of Kings is a good example of that.
Sure, getting all the fanatical completionist zombicide players to spend $20 on the Zombicide minis in the WoK kickstarter generated more money, but it does absolutely nothing to benefit the Wrath of Kings game or player base in the long run. Thats why I'm glad they at least half stuck to their guns and made the people that wanted the Twilight Knight buy a starter box as well. If you're looking at these projects as one time deals and don't give a gak about creating a player base that will spend money later, then I guess that's fine for say, a board game. But for a miniatures game that, presumably, will be expanding the line down the future, establishing that player base should be a key focus.
You seem to be missing my point. The issue is that you feel you have the right to brand polite, honest, simple feedback as "complaining", despite people repeatedly stating that they're not passing judgement on the motivations at play by the KS company, just giving reasons why the value proposition doesn't excite them enough, or suggesting they might do better with an alternative approach.
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Post by: plastictrees
Argh, enough. Everybody hug and start talking about which blood-soaked abomination they most want to buy!
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Not sure about Malacant. I have Krull, but I don't know about having a lesser sized variation of him. Hrmmm.
Also, I am hoping. hoping, hoping they have Zethag on a Palanquin of some sort. That would just be ace.
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Post by: Elemental
Fenriswulf wrote:Not sure about Malacant. I have Krull, but I don't know about having a lesser sized variation of him. Hrmmm.
"I shall call him Mini-Me."
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Post by: Bolognesus
plastictrees wrote: Lansirill wrote:Is it just me, or does it seem like this will be a fairly expensive game to get into. $50 or so for the rulebook, $180 for a small starter set; and you'd probably want two in order to have an opponent (since it's of middling likelihood that you'll know someone else with an army.) Genuinely curious.
It's more like $180 for the starter and the rulebook.
That's more than you can start many games for and less than some others. So...yes? I guess. The quality of minis is just phenomenal, the rules, I can't comment on as I haven't used them (or read them properly).
It really depends what you're looking for for your dollars. Model per model I think they are actually quite competitive.
Competitive with what, though? Don't get me wrong, I love all the pics you guys are posting of stuff you've already received (nope, still not grumbling ) and I can't wait to get started on my Khthones, but competitive with what? FW/boutique stuff? Probably just about on par then. But let's not kid ourselves, they're aiming at the higher price brackets with their stuff. No problem - I'd say the bang for buck is easily there but it doesn't make it any less of a relatively expensive game to get into - especially since this is not going to be a 4-10 minis game once all is said and done, it would seem.
Fact is, many of us look at startups and kickstarted games like this as something fun, to do beside the 'main' game. In that same bracket, there's folks left and right getting into stuff like malifaux or infinity (which have established player bases as well!) for <$100 and having enough stuff to have a "full" playing experience with as well - that's nowhere near possible here.
Does that make it expensive for what it is? Not per se. But it's not a cheap game to get in to. Of course there's always the elephant in the room but just knowing a ferrari would be more expensive doesn't make a $70.000 car cheap
...Of course it seems a lot of us are underestimating the size of a lot of these minis we haven't handled IRL yet...
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Post by: zedmeister
KS1 update: Vaak (what I've been waiting for)! and Angrislaug + final few KS1 mini production schedule Hello Darklands: a World of War Kickstarter backers! Even though we have another Kickstarter project - Darklands: First Edition - going strong as we speak, we're still updating this one and keeping you all informed as to what's going on, for we have a couple of WIPs for you and news of fulfilment progress. Angrislaug, Draiggoch of Eryri Roberto Chaudon's masterpiece Angrislaug is 99% complete in these images, so they're not quite final, but he's still awesome just the same!    We should be getting Angrislaug shortly and we will begin to ship him in November. He's a complex piece and it will take a while to mould and cast him, especially as he needs to be produced in such numbers! Regardless, you'll have him in your grubby mitts soon enough. Vaak, Moraine-Beast Not content with whipping Angrislaug out very quickly indeed, Roberto Chaudon's started work on Vaak! He's a moraine-beast - that is, a beast of ice and rock merged together by sorcery - and thus is all sharp angles and nastiness. Whilst this is a very early WIP, Vaak's looking bloody awesome and just like the concept art by Stefan Kopinski!      Vaak will be on a 100mm base, so he'll be pretty chunky! Darklands: a World of War Fulfilment Progress We're over half-way through the Angelcynn starter sets - these are taking a little longer to complete than expected, simply because we're reinforcing their spears so they don't bend easily - but we do hope to have them sorted before the middle of October. At that point, the Khthones will begin to ship of course! In terms of sculpting progress, here's a few snippets... Allan Carrasco: Gamla Bror is being worked on now and we should have WIPs next week. Qaano will be sculpted later in the year. Benoît Cosse: Vókkinak is stalled a little whilst some changes are made. All of his other projects - Aalvór, Maallolvór and the Werwulfas will follow in due course. Roberto Chaudon: he's working on Vaak of course, and then he will begin Petróyos and finally Belech. At Roberto's speed they should easily be done before the end of November! James van Schaik should be starting Drune Priest on Stag around the end of October. Stéphane NGuyen is still sculpting Ssibyros, and that should be complete early in October. Druc will follow from him. Stéphane Simon is on holiday until early October and will be starting Jowan and his hounds when he's back. Then he'll begin work on Leofwen on her Hart (as well as, probably, Leofwen on foot from Kickstarter II). Juan Navarro Pérez has completed Brynhild Gunnblindi - in fact, we received her today - and so his work is now done on Kickstarter I. This means he'll be working on the miniatures for Kickstarter II very soon! Darklands: First Edition Our second Kickstarter project - Darklands: First Edition - has absolutely blown us away with how quickly we became funded. Within two days we've got £50,000 towards funding our full rules set as well as a load of new nobles miniatures, including the first miniatures for the Byzantii as well as the expansion of the Albainn. We're mightily happy with how it's going! If you've not seen it yet, please hop on over and have a look - there's some stunning miniatures to come (including the awesome mini-Krull, Malacant) that will complement all of those you've got from this Kickstarter project - and we're nowhere near finished! So tell your friends, your enemies, even passers-by to stop over at Darklands: First Edition and pledge!
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Post by: Denilsta
I am really glad I ordered all the big guys, as usual another great sculpt by Roberto. He is destroying the original delivery date of December for these two.
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Post by: Azreal13
Stéphane Simon is doing Leofwen on Hart?!
Squee!
Hadn't realised, but ordered it on the basis of the concept art, have never seen a mini from him I didn't like.
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Post by: JWBS
Fenriswulf wrote:Not sure about Malacant. I have Krull, but I don't know about having a lesser sized variation of him. Hrmmm.
Yes I think a variant head option would do wonders for Malacant.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
My biggest fear with the Mierce stuff is actually painting it.
I'm afraid I'm going to lose all the detail with my slipshod painting. I try to thin my paints as it is, but every time I see painted Mierce stuff it just looks so far beyond my current abilities.
What works on a 2 dollar Bones figure and would be considered acceptable is a bit different than a 65 dollar resin one.
Plus, I'd have to make a decision as to what I actually want...
Maybe I should just scour the net for a somewhat cheaper Mierce monster and give it a go before I commit whole hog to another gaming system.
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Post by: judgedoug
highlord tamburlaine wrote:My biggest fear with the Mierce stuff is actually painting it.
I'm afraid I'm going to lose all the detail with my slipshod painting. I try to thin my paints as it is, but every time I see painted Mierce stuff it just looks so far beyond my current abilities.
What works on a 2 dollar Bones figure and would be considered acceptable is a bit different than a 65 dollar resin one.
Plus, I'd have to make a decision as to what I actually want...
Maybe I should just scour the net for a somewhat cheaper Mierce monster and give it a go before I commit whole hog to another gaming system.
They're a little daunting, but they're just so much fun to paint. And they're such amazing sculpts that even an average paint job looks good on them. (frpgames has a couple on sale if you wanna grab one in the USA - http://www.frpgames.com/cart.php?m=overstock&div=0&level=0&mfg=MRM)
Here's three Mierce models I spent about 90 minutes each on, maybe an extra hour on the cyclops one.
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highlord tamburlaine wrote:My biggest fear with the Mierce stuff is actually painting it.
I'm afraid I'm going to lose all the detail with my slipshod painting. I try to thin my paints as it is, but every time I see painted Mierce stuff it just looks so far beyond my current abilities.
What works on a 2 dollar Bones figure and would be considered acceptable is a bit different than a 65 dollar resin one.
Plus, I'd have to make a decision as to what I actually want...
Maybe I should just scour the net for a somewhat cheaper Mierce monster and give it a go before I commit whole hog to another gaming system.
Don't be afraid of them bud. Dive in and enjoy painting it. As judgedoug says, they really are amazing miniatures to paint. In many cases you will find that they almost paint themselves and hours fly by as you paint!
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Judgedoug
what did you use for your verdigris ? It looks really good
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New info added to the comments
"The freebie will be a sell-sword monster hunter, a Visigoth called Danilo Cruz (I wonder where that comes from...), given to anybody who has pledged over £150.00 for free. As Tim says, Juan Navarro Pérez is sculpting him. You don't have to have purchased the book for this freebie, just pledged over £150.00
Additionally, anybody who purchases a Nobles set for £700 will receive a discount on anything above £100k, and anybody who has the Darklands & Uhtred in any of its four forms will receive a lesser discount on anything above £100k."
Discount likely to be 5%. I doubt I'll be convinced to spend over £150 to get a free mini but I suppose it depends what the miniature and the yet to be revealed stuff looks like.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The Danilo Cruz freebie will need a stretch goal before it goes live
and Rob probably can't do an update till Monday as he's on kiddy sitting duty this weekend
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Post by: judgedoug
Thanks, I just mixed some colors until it matched the verdigris examples I saw on google image search, then used one of these brushes http://www.thewarstore.com/product52842.html and just stabbed it on
the model itself I undercoated black, then I used Val Spar spray paints from Lowe's. heavy overspray of Bronze and then a light overspray of their Metallic Gold Chrome. actually it may not have been Val Spar. but the Lowe's I go to only has one bronze spray paint and one chrome gold spray paint, so I got those. (that's also how I undercoated my Greek army and my Orc army)
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judgedoug wrote:
Thanks, I just mixed some colors until it matched the verdigris examples I saw on google image search, then used one of these brushes http://www.thewarstore.com/product52842.html and just stabbed it on
the model itself I undercoated black, then I used Val Spar spray paints from Lowe's. heavy overspray of Bronze and then a light overspray of their Metallic Gold Chrome. actually it may not have been Val Spar. but the Lowe's I go to only has one bronze spray paint and one chrome gold spray paint, so I got those. (that's also how I undercoated my Greek army and my Orc army)
thanks for that
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Post by: zedmeister
£60k stretch goal reached, so looks like the commanders are unlocked. Nearly at Malacant and the female commanders....
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Alright.
No thanks to you fine folks I took the plunge and now have a Clundwr, Dyndraig of Gwaelod coming to my home.
Maybe if it isn't an appalling paint job I might even post it up on Dakka once I'm done with it. I have a penchant for being ink heavy so I'll try to rain it in for this guy.
Hopefully he turns out decent and I can get at least Angedern this time around. Reptiles in armor to lead all my scaly hordes!
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Post by: judgedoug
highlord tamburlaine wrote:Alright.
No thanks to you fine folks I took the plunge and now have a Clundwr, Dyndraig of Gwaelod coming to my home.
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Post by: plastictrees
Looks like (human sized) infantry will be expected to be unlocked from 120k - 170?k.
Mierce have also posted the names of each infantry type in the comments, but as seperate entries, so good luck digging through to find them.
They have also stated the the Byzantii Legionaires (their initial infantry) will have male and female models.
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Post by: Azreal13
Well, I just had a rush of blood and went from the "cool minis" to the "book and bloke" early bird offer.
Feth it, I'm weak minded...
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Post by: Azreal13
What can I say, the lure of freebies and offers was too much for me, and I'm a sucker for a nicely bound rulebook.
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Post by: yxalitis
 azreal13 wrote:What can I say, the lure of freebies and offers was too much for me, and I'm a sucker for a nicely bound rulebook.
I had this though process too, although so far the freebies aren't really grabbing me.
Get one foot soldier IF you buy the equivalent mounted...saving..£10...gosh...especially as I want the monstrous units, which all cost more!
I'll see, in the end, I can switch to Free Minis, and put the £20 towards some of those nice lookng £100,000 units
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Post by: zedmeister
New stretch goal - the first of the Visigoths:
As we've now passed £55,000 and £60,000 - which means both the Darklands Concept Art Book and the Commanders stretch goal will be produced - we can give you a few more to aim at!
Thus, the first stretch goal to unveil (there'll be another later on today) is a lovely freebie for any backer that has pledged more than £150 - Danilo Cruz, Beast Slayer of Cantabria! He's a Visigothic sell-sword that will work for any kindred in Darklands, a warrior from the north of the Visigothic Kingdom (modern-day Spain) who hunts monsters for glory, money and maybe just to get the girls.
Click on this link for a larger version
The Danilo Cruz miniature comes with a scenic 30mm base complete with the skull of a Krokod and the severed head of a Krokodar, and whilst it probably won't look exactly like the image - he would have to be on a 100mm base if it did! - it will certainly show him atop a big monstrous skull.
Funnily enough, Danny Cruz has drawn his concept and Juan Navarro Pérez will sculpt him, coincidentally representing the descendants of the Visigoths from the new and old world respectively...
You can, of course, purchase the Danilo Cruz miniature regardless of how much you have pledged if you increase your pledge by £12. If, by purchasing him, you increase your pledge to £150, you will of course receive two Danilo Cruz miniatures.
However you get your hands on him, he'll be pretty awesome, we think!
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Post by: judgedoug
upping my pledge to 150, wahoo!
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Post by: Azreal13
Hmmm, if this is the way the freebies are going to go, I might just downgrade my pledge again or withdraw altogether.
I get that this Project is all about the book, and I will never begrudge anybody earning an honest profit, but £150 to qualify for a "freebie" just seems a little extreme.
I'm actually getting more disinclined by the stretch goals and new stuff rather than more excited. I've gone from "oooh" to "wahay" to "hmm" since this launched. Or perhaps I'm just disappointed that, being in a limited hobby budget, the opportunity to get some more Mierce for cheap isn't as great as I hoped.
Ah well, not exactly got my panties in a bunch yet.
@Mierce. If you're reading this, will you have the Kickstarter section open on the site again like you have for the first project? Because I'm much better placed to put money in spread out over the next few months than I am to pledge it all in a lump (not what Kickstarters about, but money's money right?) The prospect of adding to my pledge over the next few months would cheer me up no end!
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Azreal13,
Yes indeed, a separate "Darklands: First Edition Kickstarter category" will be open afterwards on our website, but only to those who have backed it of course - so I wouldn't cancel your pledge if that's your intention!
This Kickstarter section will also include every miniature we already sell, but at a greater discount than available now, probably 20% off RRP.
Hope that helps.
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Post by: Azreal13
Mierce Miniatures wrote:Azreal13,
Yes indeed, a separate "Darklands: First Edition Kickstarter category" will be open afterwards on our website, but only to those who have backed it of course - so I wouldn't cancel your pledge if that's your intention!
This Kickstarter section will also include every miniature we already sell, but at a greater discount than available now, probably 20% off RRP.
Hope that helps.
Massively.
Consider my doubts overcome and my pledge intact!
Thanks for the quick reply. Automatically Appended Next Post: 
This guy is awesome, I'm back at "Wahey!"
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Post by: Baragash
Mierce Miniatures wrote:This Kickstarter section will also include every miniature we already sell, but at a greater discount than available now, probably 20% off RRP.
Well gak.
(Guess that's a second encounter host to go with a post- KS Kraken purchase then - pledge upped)
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Post by: alanmckenzie
Mierce Miniatures wrote:Azreal13,
Yes indeed, a separate "Darklands: First Edition Kickstarter category" will be open afterwards on our website, but only to those who have backed it of course - so I wouldn't cancel your pledge if that's your intention!
This Kickstarter section will also include every miniature we already sell, but at a greater discount than available now, probably 20% off RRP.
Hope that helps.
Sorry, just for clarity. If we pledge (e.g. £30 Rulebook + Uhtred), we can still add to this for a few months after the close of the ks, at ks prices? Also, we, as backers of this ks (but not the first) will have access to a decent discount across you're whole range?
I only ask again because I'm in a similar position to Azreal, very much interested in the game and, of course (especially), the models. Just not sure if I can afford one big hit 2 months before Christmas.
Thanks
Alan
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Yes, for a limited time only to allow you to flesh out any bits and bobs you need to complete your kindreds that you couldn't get at the time.
Though, please note that only the amount you pledge during the KS counts towards any free stretch goals etc. Any amount spent afterwards is nothing to do with KS so won't count as part of your pledge ie; if you pledge £130 and later spend £30 (via our site where pledges and post pledges will be spent) - you won't qualify for a free Danilio Cruz at £150.
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Post by: judgedoug
And, of course, any money pledged right now goes towards actually unlocking - ie, paying for - new sculpts of new models and freebies.
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Post by: plastictrees
Rick B was good enough to list the revealed infantry types (no other info yet) that would be unlocked between $120k and $170k.
Ysians: Scout-Drunes
Norse: Holumenn (ship's crew)
Khthones: Gorgórar
Fomoraic: Gabrax
Byzantii: Legionaries
Brythoniaid: Teulu – hearthguard
Angelcynn: Gesíth
Albainn: Gaimorlom (veteran spearmen)
Gorgorar would apparently be snake ladies.
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Post by: zedmeister
And to add to that, Mierce has begun teasing us with the Norse infantry concepts:
Holumenn (Viking ship's crew)
Champion:
Bannerman:
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Post by: Makaleth
The Ancient Dragon thing looks great. No intention of going in for 700 pounds to get him... will buy for 20
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Post by: praetor24
I am in for the Byzantii (gotta love these Demon minis), so I am patiently waiting for when their encounter host is going to be unlocked.
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Encounter host image details up: 
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Post by: Alpharius
I really like the Sronax and Tarvax hosts...
I am now tempted to get into this one...
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Also, at £66,666k (when Malacant is unlocked!) we will show off the concept for the free miniature that will ship with all rulebook and encounter host pledges (1 per backer).
So the Book + Uhtred pledge (at £30 for an early bird) gets you the book rrp £35 plus Uhtred (rrp £15) and when the new guy (Finnan) is unlocked you also get a £15 rrp mini free!
Then if you want more you can
Add a mounted general (£30) and get a free £10 (rrp £15) foot general.
Or go one step further and add an Encounter Host
all are around 30% off RRP
Best value for a newcomer
Pledge for the "Darklands + Uhtred" pledge level (still some early birds @ £30)
then increase your pledge by £30 for a mounted general (of your choice, you choose after the KS ends via our pledge manager) and then get a foot genearl free!
Add an encounter host for eg Norse by increasing your pledge level by £90 (saving 30% on the rrp!) these sets also include x10 black D10s x 1 white D10 (all with Mierce logo) and a set of kindred-specific order tokens.
This is £30+£30+£90 = £150 and at £150 you qualify for a free Danilio Cruz mini!
So for £150 you get a 200+ page hardback rulebook, 4 free minis (Uhtred the KS exclusive mini, a foot general to match your mounted general + Danilio Cruz & Finnan the sell-swords) , a mounted general and a starter set! Easilly enough to start playing games of Darklands.
So by pledging £150 (plus any apllicable shipping) you get 4 free minis plus save ££ ss on the RRP.
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Post by: Baragash
I'm currently in for early Book + Drune Host + Sonax Host + Malacant..... but the more I look at the Dyndraig the more I think I'll choose them instead of the Sonax and put my desire for the Kraken on the backburner until the human Fomoraic/Ballorian infantry makes an appearance.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I'm a bit confused... Whats the difference between Sronax and Tarvax? Rhinos vs. water buffalo? I thought the Fomoraic were supposed to be "sea-devils", what do rhinos and water buffalo have to do with sea monsters?
Also, why no Byzantii encounter host?
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Post by: zedmeister
chaos0xomega wrote:I'm a bit confused... Whats the difference between Sronax and Tarvax? Rhinos vs. water buffalo? I thought the Fomoraic were supposed to be "sea-devils", what do rhinos and water buffalo have to do with sea monsters?
Also, why no Byzantii encounter host?
They have different rules in the game.
As for the Fomoraic - they're Fomorians - from wikipedia: "They are sometimes said to have had the body of a man and the head of a goat". Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomorians
Mierce is simply adding their twist on it though further sea creatures have been hinted at.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
There's no Byzantii encounter host because they have no units to unlock yet (see also Albainn).
Sronax and Tarvax sets are two choices for the same kindred - you can choose either, they're both on the same side but that particular kindred has two choices.
Fomoraic has servants above and below the sea. In time Conand may well appear at the head of a host of sea-beasties.
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Post by: Alpharius
Do regular man-sized units even stand a chance in the Darklands?
I like the look of the Angelcynn troops, but, do Regular Joes just get trod underfoot all the time?
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Post by: razormage
chaos0xomega wrote:I'm a bit confused... Whats the difference between Sronax and Tarvax? Rhinos vs. water buffalo? I thought the Fomoraic were supposed to be "sea-devils", what do rhinos and water buffalo have to do with sea monsters?
Also, why no Byzantii encounter host?
@Chaos0xomega:
There's an 11th century text called Lebor na hUidre (the Book of the Dun Cow) that describes them as having the body of a man and the head of a goat, and I think Mierce took this hybrid manimal concept and expanded it further, just like they exaggerated the nordic troll concept to include Blood-Maw, the Vore. In addition, Buarainech, the father of Balor (god-commander of the Fomoraic) is described as "cow-faced".
As a result, you get a kindred that breed with animals, and just happen to come from the sea. As a result, you get gabrax (goat-men), tarvax (cow-men), sronax (rhino-men), mammax (elephant-men), mallax (sloth-men), and so on.
The rumored Byzantii infantry have yet to be unlocked; until that happens, they can't really offer a host featuring the models!
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Post by: zedmeister
Mierce has put on a new pledge level:
THE SWEET SPOT -- get the hardback version of the Darklands rules, Uhtred & Finnan the sell-swords, a mounted General from the £40,000 "GENERALS" stretch goal and his foot equivalent, Danilo Cruz and an Encounter Host of your choice for £150 ($225) - saving loads from purchasing them all individually! This pledge will mirror any offers given by the "DARKLANDS & UHTRED" reward, so its value may well increase!
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Ah! Thanks for the history/mythology/folklore lesson! I think I'll hold until I see a Byzantii encounter host (or a sea creature based Fomoraic option) pop up. Then again, i do like the look of the Sronax...
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Post by: plastictrees
The Sronax are freaking huge as well. They tower over the Tarvax who are by no means small.
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Could we get the thread title changed to mention the "sweet spot pledge!" ?
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Post by: zedmeister
Alpharius wrote:Do regular man-sized units even stand a chance in the Darklands?
I like the look of the Angelcynn troops, but, do Regular Joes just get trod underfoot all the time?
Yes. Although, individually weaker, together the damage mounts up. With the fact that all warriors (from humans to monstrous beasts) get weaker as they take more damage, a unit of ten Ax-Drunes will slowly chip away at something much larger until they are able to overpower it
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Post by: judgedoug
just changed my pledge to The Sweet Spot. that is a great deal.
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Post by: Alpharius
plastictrees wrote:The Sronax are freaking huge as well. They tower over the Tarvax who are by no means small.
I thought as much!
So...
Alpharius wrote:Do regular man-sized units even stand a chance in the Darklands?
I like the look of the Angelcynn troops, but, do Regular Joes just get trod underfoot all the time?
Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT:
OK - I saw the answer...
So, is there much by way of ranged attack or magic/spell casting in the game?
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Post by: zedmeister
Alpharius wrote: plastictrees wrote:The Sronax are freaking huge as well. They tower over the Tarvax who are by no means small.
I thought as much!
So...
Alpharius wrote:Do regular man-sized units even stand a chance in the Darklands?
I like the look of the Angelcynn troops, but, do Regular Joes just get trod underfoot all the time?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
EDIT:
OK - I saw the answer...
So, is there much by way of ranged attack or magic/spell casting in the game?
Yes. Invocations (Sorcery) is in. Though they do cost the user in constitution to cast it (which can be recovered through meditation) which makes them weaker in combat.
Ranged attacks are in as well. Bow drunes being the first out. Some monstrous beasts (Like Vaak, the Ice and Rock beast) can throw ice shards at you. Byzantii are rumoured to have war engines of some kind as well as their Pilum Javelins.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Don't forget the pig-splat!
Alpharius, 10 Ax-Drunes are the first entry on my Ysian muster sheet (in a recnt game they chopped Arade Mawr to pieces!). Also, a Drune Priest + Bow Drunes have some excellent synergy.
The larger the beasties get, the less skillful they are (generally) so, it's harder for them to hit the little guys and easier for them to be hit in return. On the flipside though a monster has more attacks and they are much more powerful - also a little guy will most likely die from a hit from a monster but the humans need to hot the big guys many times to take him down.
So human-sized guys must hunt in packs - think of a bunch of cavemen bringing down a mammoth!
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Post by: JWBS
plastictrees wrote:The Sronax are freaking huge as well. They tower over the Tarvax who are by no means small.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Could we get the thread title changed to mention the "sweet spot pledge!" ?
Yeah i didn't realise until I saw this pic that my cow men are the little guys of the monstrous infantry! No regrets though. I think Tarvax got an extra 28mm model in their set compared to most of the other kindreds too.
/ I like the new price points and graphics, eager to see the next stretch bonus.
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Post by: Baragash
razormage wrote:The rumored Byzantii infantry have yet to be unlocked; until that happens, they can't really offer a host featuring the models!
Mierce said in the KS comments that Byzantii Legionnaires unlock at £100k
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Post by: JWBS
Mierce will there be an option to split shipping on the £150 sweet spot since most of the encounter hosts are ready to ship? I'm seriously considering switching to that level, don't really want to wait a year for a Brythoniaid kindred to ship though.
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Post by: Mahrdol
JWBS wrote:Mierce will there be an option to split shipping on the £150 sweet spot since most of the encounter hosts are ready to ship? I'm seriously considering switching to that level, don't really want to wait a year for a Brythoniaid kindred to ship though.
From the KS page. Not sure if this helps you or not.
Shipping Costs
Shipping costs will be fairly simple, for they are tied to stretch goals.
If you are outside the UK, shipping will cost £10 for whatever you are purchasing for the FIRST shipment only, obviously the Darklands rulebook and the Nobles stretch goals.
Now, you can wait for all of your purchases to be produced before we ship them, of course; but if you don't wish to do that, I'm afraid we must ask you for the shipping costs for each shipment.
Further shipment of purchases will cost a flat rate of £3 ( UK), £6 ( EU), £10 (ROW) - and these are "lowest weight" prices - for each stretch goal "wave" afterward, unless you wish to combine shipment of waves. Thus, if you have purchased miniatures from a stretch goal produced after the nobles, it will cost £3 to ship any or all of the miniatures from that stretch goal within the UK separately from another wave.
It should be noted that shipping will be relatively fluid thanks to the time it takes for sculptors to, well, sculpt the miniatures; and thus we may be able to ship waves together, combine a stretch goal with the first shipment, and so on and so forth. As always, we will keep you informed as much as possible.
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Post by: JWBS
Oh yeah thanks.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
We can split shipments at request, Though this will incur an extra shipping fee.
Further shipment of purchases will cost a flat rate of £3 (UK), £6 (EU), £10 (ROW)
Though the Brythoniad set will have to wait for Angerdern (the Dyndraig commander) to be sculpted and cast before we could ship. Likely ETA on Angedern is early 2014 but that isn't guaranteed just yet.
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Post by: Mahrdol
I love this concept art.
£65,000 Free Stretch Goal - Finnan
As we've now passed £65,000, we can unveil the simply awesome Finnan, Exile of the Uí Néill miniature, the very first of the Érainn - the Irish!
Finnan is a sell-sword that will work for any kindred, in exchange for gold of course.
http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/ks2/stretch_goals_65000_finnan.jpg
As it states above, Finnan is free to anyone who has pledged for the "DARKLANDS & UHTRED", "DARKLANDS & UHTRED, EARLIER", "THE SWEET SPOT", "DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES" and "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT" rewards - so that basically means you get two free miniatures with the Darklands: First Edition rulebook, Uhtred and Finnan!
Again, you can purchase additional Finnan miniatures for £12.
"THE SWEET SPOT" reward
We've also added a new reward - called "THE SWEET SPOT" - for those who have found things a little confusing and just want the best deal in one reward. That's why we've called it "The Sweet Spot"!
So if you pledge for this reward, spending £150, you'll receive:
◾The Darklands: First Edition rulebook (worth £35 RRP)
◾The strictly limited edition Uhtred miniature (worth £15 RRP)
◾The Finnan miniature (worth £15 RRP)
◾A mounted general from the £40,000 stretch goal of your choice (worth £35 or £45 RRP, depending on which one)
◾The general on foot that complements the mounted general (worth £15 RRP)
◾An encounter host chosen from those available in this Kickstarter (worth between £135 and £185 RRP, depending on which one) which also contain 11 Mierce wolf D10 dice
◾The Danilo Cruz miniature (worth £15 RRP)
So for £150 you basically get a 200+ page hardback rulebook, four free miniatures (Uhtred, Finnan, a general on foot to match your mounted general and finally Danilo Cruz), a mounted general and an encounter host, worth between £265 and £325 at recommended retail price!
Thus, "THE SWEET SPOT" contains everything you'll need to start playing games of Darklands, and at a huge discount too - almost 45% in most circumstances and over 50% if you go for the larger encounter hosts!
We will of course put this in a big update tomorrow with some nice graphics. Until then, enjoy!
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Post by: cincydooley
More Eirann!!!!!
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Post by: primalexile
In for The Sweet Spot in hopes we see Byzantii make it into an Encounter Host.
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Post by: zedmeister
New update: We've now added a new reward - called "THE SWEET SPOT" - for those who have found things a little confusing and just want the best deal in one reward. That's why we've called it "The Sweet Spot"!  So if you pledge for this reward, spending £150, you'll receive: The Darklands: First Edition rulebook (worth £35 RRP) The strictly limited edition Uhtred miniature (worth £15 RRP) The Finnan miniature (worth £15 RRP) A mounted general from the £40,000 stretch goal of your choice (worth £35 or £45 RRP, depending on which one) The general on foot that complements the mounted general (worth £15 RRP) An encounter host chosen from those available in this Kickstarter (worth between £135 and £185 RRP, depending on which one) which also contain 11 Mierce wolf D10 dice The Danilo Cruz miniature (worth £15 RRP) So for £150 you basically get a 200+ page hardback rulebook, four free miniatures (Uhtred, Finnan, a general on foot to match your mounted general and finally Danilo Cruz), a mounted general and an encounter host, worth between £265 and £325 at recommended retail price! Thus, "THE SWEET SPOT" contains everything you'll need to start playing games of Darklands, and at a huge discount too - almost 45% in most circumstances and over 50% if you go for the larger encounter hosts!
Some more Norse concepts spotted. This should now be all concepts for the Norse Infantry: Undrik the Brave:  Snorri Snorrison:  Gunnar Half-Shield:  Jan:  Undrik: 
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Post by: Alpharius
Which faction does the big winged could be a Lord of Change looking guy from the last Kickstarter belong to?
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Post by: corgan
Alpharius wrote:Which faction does the big winged could be a Lord of Change looking guy from the last Kickstarter belong to?
Norse
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Post by: KoganStyle
Will a general be needed to play with the encounter host in games?
I'm just trying to work out how to go about pledging for 2 hosts to get the game demo'd/played with someone else. Obviously I'm taking a bit of a gamble here, but the models are great and potential could be here with the excellent fluff. What would I need for the sweetest of sweet deals to allow me to play?
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Post by: plastictrees
Koganstyle: You wouldn't need a general, each host comes with a leader type.
Your best bet is the Sweet Spot pledge and then adding for another encounter host.
You don't pay extra for the more expensive hosts with the Sweet Spot, so you'd save even more on one of them.
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Post by: Alpharius
Argh!
That's one of the factions I'm not liking that much!
Nooooooo!
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Post by: plastictrees
Woops, never mind. Best bet to just play the game with two kindreds is two encounter hosts and the early bird book and Uthtred pledge (£190-£210 total).
The Sweet Spot plus another encounter host would be £230-240, but would give you a mounted and on foot general.
Either option would get you the Danilo Cruz mini.
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Post by: Alpharius
Mierce's main site is workblocked for me - is there somewhere else to see all the factions and such?
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Post by: corgan
Alpharius wrote:Mierce's main site is workblocked for me - is there somewhere else to see all the factions and such?
I would say their first Kickstarter site may be helpful:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war
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Post by: JWBS
Alpharius wrote:
Argh!
That's one of the factions I'm not liking that much!
Nooooooo!
Can't you use it to represent something big from another faction? Automatically Appended Next Post: 
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
From the KS comments
The Norse ship crew (Holumenn) are scheduled to be sculpted by the brilliant Stéphane Simon so I really, really, really hope we get to them
(did I say I really want them?)
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Post by: Alpharius
That might get me to jump in on the Norse too...
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Post by: alanmckenzie
Me also. Been slowly shifting from Ysians.
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Post by: plastictrees
If you're not a fan of the Trolls, we're likely to get a unit of these guys at some point:
Although likely not through this KS.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Pretty birdy
Pretty birdy
Polly want a cracker
Aaaargh!
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Post by: yxalitis
Just waiting for the "monsters only" price point...
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Post by: Fenriswulf
I am waiting for an Ogre sized Albainn unit. That would be awesome. Not likely to be put in the sweet spot, but still damn nice.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I was all jazzed to find out my dyndraig came in the mail today.
Stupid lizard forgot all his horns and spikey bits back in jolly old England.
Looks nice though. Can't decide if he'll be red or green. Probably green, since that's what most of my reptilian army is.
All the "bad" reptiles I own are various shades of red.
Still waiting to see what the Basilisk figures are going to look like.
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Post by: Trodax
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From the KS comments
The Norse ship crew (Holumenn) are scheduled to be sculpted by the brilliant Stéphane Simon so I really, really, really hope we get to them
(did I say I really want them?)
Are you kidding me?! The Norse were probably my favorite kindred anyway, due to those trolls being pretty brutal, but this is most likely going to really solidify that preference. Stéphane Simon working from that awesome concept art? Oh my, oh my.
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Post by: barnacle111
I really like these minis, some fantastic sculpts. Are any of you aus based lot in melbourne?
Do I join...?
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Post by: zedmeister
barnacle111 wrote:I really like these minis, some fantastic sculpts. Are any of you aus based lot in melbourne?
Do I join...?
Indeed there are a few kicking around Melbourne. Check this thread on the Mierce forums: http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=131
You could always back it and ask a load of questions on the comments - there's a bunch of Aussies on there
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
A very positive in depth customer review of the last KS for any who are in two minds about backing this one
have a read and you'll see why us backers are involved
http://lolcraven.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/why-mierce-miniatures-are-kings-of.html
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Post by: zedmeister
Edit:
Ninja'd!
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Post by: Lochlannon
I am really looking forward to the release of the new infantry models. The rulebook sounds awesome with historical inspirations, some colors and even hints at the ability to download updates if needed rather than buy a whole new book. Trying to avoid the rulebook mill is something I can very much appreciate!!!
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Post by: Alpharius
Looking forward to the other Skirmish hosts...
...though that would mean a lot more money spent for me here!
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Post by: Baragash
Oh dear! Ysian Skirmish Host in (damn them for putting in the Manticore rather than the Chimera which would have stopped me!) Dyndraig Encounter Host replacing the Ysians in my Sweet Spot...pledge upped
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Post by: ulgurstasta
Looking forward to the the Brythoniad skirmish host and the Gabrax infantry even more!
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Post by: zedmeister
Mierce let slip that they've had the Byzantii legionnaires infantry concepts in. Next reveal is expected to happen when pledges reach £75k
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm on the lookout for skirmish hosts for:
* Fomoraic
* Angelcynn
* Byzabtii
* Norse
Now that I'm thinking about it, are the "Muster Lists" available somewhere?
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Post by: alanmckenzie
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Post by: Alpharius
Nice - thank you very much for that!
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Post by: plastictrees
Bear in mind that they've given "generic" names to some of the monsters, so matching up named beasts and characters to their profiles might require some digging.
We're also hovering around the $75k mark right now, which unlocks the "free to pledges over 150" sell-sword Danillo Cruz, and puts us only 5k from unlocking the Sorcerers!
Mierce have also strongly hinted (by outright saying) that the Norse infantry (Holumenn) stretch will be unveiled tomorrow.
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Post by: yxalitis
barnacle111 wrote:I really like these minis, some fantastic sculpts. Are any of you aus based lot in melbourne?
Do I join...?
I'm in Melbourne
But I'm not a gamer, sorry, this purely a painting hobby for me.
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Post by: zedmeister
Kickstarter 1 update - new WIPs!
Gamla Bror, Vókkinak, Vaak!
It's that time of the week again!
This Friday we have the first work in progress images of our awesome Troll Gothi, Gamla Bror; more images of the Moraine-Beast called Vaak and images of the just-about-finished Krokodar Roarer, Vókkinak. So it's an awesome Friday, in other words!
Gamla Bror, Troll Gothi
Thanks to the incredible talents of Allan Carrasco we know Gamla Bror will be a fantastic addition to your Norse host...
Vaak, Moraine-Beast
Roberto Chaudon's amazing work-rate continues apace with more images of Vaak! He's really starting to take shape now and we don't think it will be long before he's done...
The Finished Angrislaug, Draiggoch of Eryri
Roberto's now completed Angrislaug. We think you will agree with us that it's one of the finest dragon miniatures there has ever been...
We also urge you all to vote on Roberto's frankly awesome dragon, Angrislaug, at Cool Mini or Not!
Vókkinak, Krokodar Roarer
Megálávra gets a friend! Vókkinak of course is our Krokodar banner bearer, joining Meggers in the Krokodar unit and whilst the other three in the unit aren't done yet we're sure it won't be long before they are...
But here's pictures of the almost complete Vókkinak before that occurs:
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Post by: Trodax
That is some seriously awesome stuff. That dragon is just to die for, and I'm really loving Gamla Bror as well. What kindred does that Vaak beast belong to?
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Post by: zedmeister
 Trodax wrote:That is some seriously awesome stuff. That dragon is just to die for, and I'm really loving Gamla Bror as well. What kindred does that Vaak beast belong to?
He's a Fomoraic Moraine construct - built of ice, rock and sorcery! I've also heard rumours of smaller versions of him...
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Post by: KoganStyle
Are the Byzantii the Roman legion's faction? And are the Khthones an alliance of reptiles (in the game) or is each type a separate faction for gaming?
EDIT: I'd been trying to work things out from the mierce website, when the front page of the KS explains most of it!
So is there going to be a Bzyantii host? And Alantanes? I'm liking the Norse, Ysians but I'd like to see the other two before choosing. Also will the Baslisks get there own troops or are they destined to just be part of the Khthones alliance?
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Post by: Slinky
Byzantii host should appear once their infantry is unlocked, I guess.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The Kthones represent an alliance of ex-atlantean slave races, all reptilian from what I gather
I suspect the infantry will end up looking like the lizardman type they're got as a foot general
They'll all work together regardless of species (in the same way the Tarvrax/Minotaurs and Sronax/Rhino men work together for the Formoric faction)
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Post by: zedmeister
 KoganStyle wrote: So is there going to be a Bzyantii host? And Alantanes? I'm liking the Norse, Ysians but I'd like to see the other two before choosing. Also will the Baslisks get there own troops or are they destined to just be part of the Khthones alliance?
Yes, Byzantii will be Roman remnants with a Daemonic influence. Atalantes are ancient greeks based on Atlantis. A few rumours abound on how they'll have a lot of bronze constructs. On the Basilisks (called Líska), yes they have their own troops, but they are part of the Khthones faction. Here's one of the concept art pieces produced for KS1 (he's holding the head of a Mesaíkolossi Warrior - a mini Talos apparently!):  The rest is yet to be seen...
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Post by: cincydooley
The Atlantes and Albainn (Irish) haven't been shown a ton yet, unfortunately. I'm itching for some Albainn.
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Post by: judgedoug
Oh my goodness, oh my dayum, oh my goodness... Mierce is going H.A.M.
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Post by: zedmeister
Holumenn - longship crewmen! The first infantry unit 
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I really want to see the Liska. I love multi- limbed models. Almost as much as reptiles!
I doubt I'll ever get to play Darklands, but damn if they don't have some of the sweetest looking figures!
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Post by: cincydooley
As they keep doing these awesome updates, I'm continually happy I have no interest in spending my money on some of the other active KSes.
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Post by: primalexile
I am ordering that Dragon right now! That miniature is one of the best I have ever seen!
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Post by: RoninXiC
I #2 that statement.
It's just an amazing miniature.. 99% of Mierce's Miniatures (haha) are absolutely stunning.
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Post by: cincydooley
RoninXiC wrote:I #2 that statement.
It's just an amazing miniature.. 99% of Mierce's Miniatures (haha) are absolutely stunning.
You sure it isn't 80% of the finished ones
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Post by: Alpharius
I stayed out of KS1 here because, well, you know.
And of course I regret it!
BUt I'm in for this one - and probably in for a lot!
Loving the look of these minis, and the rules are certainly crunchy enough for me!
Can't wait to get these minis in - I'm starting to plan out my terrain already too...
Good times!
I just wish I could get Mierce's Forum Admin to respond to my lost password requests, as I'd love to get back on to their Official Forum too!
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Post by: Baragash
Alpharius wrote:I stayed out of KS1 here because, well, you know.
And of course I regret it!
Same here, though I suspect the way life has been since then means I'd just have a big box of unpainted resin in my loft
That being said, you can still get a 20% off RRP on the KS1 stuff (and anything else already made) post-KS2 and if you pledge that money in KS2 it counts towards stretch goals
£470 and counting......
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Post by: Looky Likey
How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
@Alpharius - you have a PM :0)
Glad you like our miniatures guys - you can see we're well versed now at transforming fantastic concepts into fantastic sculpts - We're itching to show you some new and twisted stuff!
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Post by: cincydooley
Looky Likey wrote:How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
You can order the miniatures from their website right now, pretty much. This KS is for the rules with the ability to help fund some of the new miniatures. All of the ones from the first KS are available on the website.
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Post by: Azreal13
Mierce Miniatures wrote:@Alpharius - you have a PM :0)
Glad you like our miniatures guys - you can see we're well versed now at transforming fantastic concepts into fantastic sculpts - We're itching to show you some new and twisted stuff!
Well don't let us stop you!
I'm sure you could find a small something to share exclusively with Dakka?
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Post by: Mahrdol
Looky Likey wrote:How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
You can pledge I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES. Then go to the site and find the miniatures you want(some maybe added later). Add up the RRP and take 20% off. Add that to the I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES pledge. You just saved yourself 10% more and if the total pledge is over 150 you get a free miniature Danilo Cruz.
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Post by: JWBS
No one has pledged for the skirmish host yet but I reckon we'll see a load of pledges at that level as the various hosts are revealed. All my purchases so far have been Tarvax stuff but I want some trolls, can't wait to see the Norse skirmish as I think that'll be my best option (depending on what's included I might just go for sweet spot + additions, or maybe I'll just stick with Darklands & Uhtred + addons) It's hard to see where best to put my money until all the options are visible, for now I'm keeping my £30+ pledge.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Yeah, I'm still in for a nominal fee until I see all the options.
If we can get some Liska with a unit of Khthones and a big nasty, I might have to subtract some money that was earmarked for Bones.
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Post by: Looky Likey
 Mahrdol wrote:Looky Likey wrote:How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
You can pledge I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES. Then go to the site and find the miniatures you want(some maybe added later). Add up the RRP and take 20% off. Add that to the I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES pledge. You just saved yourself 10% more and if the total pledge is over 150 you get a free miniature Danilo Cruz.
Excellent thank you!
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Post by: Azreal13
Mahrdol wrote:Looky Likey wrote:How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
You can pledge I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES. Then go to the site and find the miniatures you want(some maybe added later). Add up the RRP and take 20% off. Add that to the I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES pledge. You just saved yourself 10% more and if the total pledge is over 150 you get a free miniature Danilo Cruz.
It didn't quite work like that in KS1.
I will leave it to Mierce or someone better acquainted with KS rules to explain, as I wouldn't want to say something out of turn and drop someone in it.
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