JWBS wrote: No one has pledged for the skirmish host yet but I reckon we'll see a load of pledges at that level as the various hosts are revealed. All my purchases so far have been Tarvax stuff but I want some trolls, can't wait to see the Norse skirmish as I think that'll be my best option (depending on what's included I might just go for sweet spot + additions, or maybe I'll just stick with Darklands & Uhtred + addons) It's hard to see where best to put my money until all the options are visible, for now I'm keeping my £30+ pledge.
That's a little misleading because you can add a Skirmish Host to another pledge eg I have pledged Sweet Spot and am adding the Ysian Skirmish Host to that.
Looky Likey wrote: How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
You can pledge I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES. Then go to the site and find the miniatures you want(some maybe added later). Add up the RRP and take 20% off. Add that to the I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES pledge. You just saved yourself 10% more and if the total pledge is over 150 you get a free miniature Danilo Cruz.
It didn't quite work like that in KS1.
I will leave it to Mierce or someone better acquainted with KS rules to explain, as I wouldn't want to say something out of turn and drop someone in it.
I think from what's been said by Rob in the comments this may be possible but
do check with them first as the 20% discount may only apply AFTER you've spent your KS cash as they won't want to further discount KS prices, (but since the models you're interesting are pre-existing so will be priced at retail rather than KS level they may be OK with it)
(also the 20% discount seems to be applicable to a single post KS order so if you are allowed to do it plan what you want and make sure you can buy it all at once)
So is there going to be a Bzyantii host? And Alantanes? I'm liking the Norse, Ysians but I'd like to see the other two before choosing. Also will the Baslisks get there own troops or are they destined to just be part of the Khthones alliance?
Yes, Byzantii will be Roman remnants with a Daemonic influence. Atalantes are ancient greeks based on Atlantis. A few rumours abound on how they'll have a lot of bronze constructs.
On the Basilisks (called Líska), yes they have their own troops, but they are part of the Khthones faction. Here's one of the concept art pieces produced for KS1 (he's holding the head of a Mesaíkolossi Warrior - a mini Talos apparently!):
The rest is yet to be seen...
Whoa. Basilisks. Just art so far, no sculpts of them, right?
Looky Likey wrote: How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
You can pledge I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES. Then go to the site and find the miniatures you want(some maybe added later). Add up the RRP and take 20% off. Add that to the I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES pledge. You just saved yourself 10% more and if the total pledge is over 150 you get a free miniature Danilo Cruz.
It didn't quite work like that in KS1.
I will leave it to Mierce or someone better acquainted with KS rules to explain, as I wouldn't want to say something out of turn and drop someone in it.
I think from what's been said by Rob in the comments this may be possible but
do check with them first as the 20% discount may only apply AFTER you've spent your KS cash as they won't want to further discount KS prices, (but since the models you're interesting are pre-existing so will be priced at retail rather than KS level they may be OK with it)
(also the 20% discount seems to be applicable to a single post KS order so if you are allowed to do it plan what you want and make sure you can buy it all at once)
Confirmed in the KS comments yesterday, excess KS spend gets transferred over as store credit on the Mierce website.
Looky Likey wrote: How do I get on the kick starter for the dragon, croc guy and some of the snake people? I had a look on kick starter but couldn't find it. I just want the minis not the rules.
You can pledge I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES. Then go to the site and find the miniatures you want(some maybe added later). Add up the RRP and take 20% off. Add that to the I WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES pledge. You just saved yourself 10% more and if the total pledge is over 150 you get a free miniature Danilo Cruz.
It didn't quite work like that in KS1.
I will leave it to Mierce or someone better acquainted with KS rules to explain, as I wouldn't want to say something out of turn and drop someone in it.
I think from what's been said by Rob in the comments this may be possible but
do check with them first as the 20% discount may only apply AFTER you've spent your KS cash as they won't want to further discount KS prices, (but since the models you're interesting are pre-existing so will be priced at retail rather than KS level they may be OK with it)
(also the 20% discount seems to be applicable to a single post KS order so if you are allowed to do it plan what you want and make sure you can buy it all at once)
pretty sure Rob said he has not yet made a decision that it will be 1 time order.
Ultimately it is your money. If you are concerned about it I would just send a message to Rob/MM through the KS.
So is there going to be a Bzyantii host? And Alantanes? I'm liking the Norse, Ysians but I'd like to see the other two before choosing. Also will the Baslisks get there own troops or are they destined to just be part of the Khthones alliance?
Yes, Byzantii will be Roman remnants with a Daemonic influence. Atalantes are ancient greeks based on Atlantis. A few rumours abound on how they'll have a lot of bronze constructs.
On the Basilisks (called Líska), yes they have their own troops, but they are part of the Khthones faction. Here's one of the concept art pieces produced for KS1 (he's holding the head of a Mesaíkolossi Warrior - a mini Talos apparently!):
The rest is yet to be seen...
Whoa. Basilisks. Just art so far, no sculpts of them, right?
Roberto Chaudon has not started it yet. I think within the next month or so he is.
If there's anyone in the US that really wants to hop on with the last KS, I can make an order for you thru the last KS account; Not all of it is still available, but let me know if I can help. Mierce has done me 100% right through this thing, so I'm happy to help anyone else hop on the Darklands train.
do check with them first as the 20% discount may only apply AFTER you've spent your KS cash as they won't want to further discount KS prices, (but since the models you're interesting are pre-existing so will be priced at retail rather than KS level they may be OK with it)
(also the 20% discount seems to be applicable to a single post KS order so if you are allowed to do it plan what you want and make sure you can buy it all at once)
I assume the KS section will just have everything not in this KS at 20% off. Anything in this KS will be at whatever price it's listed at.
do check with them first as the 20% discount may only apply AFTER you've spent your KS cash as they won't want to further discount KS prices, (but since the models you're interesting are pre-existing so will be priced at retail rather than KS level they may be OK with it)
(also the 20% discount seems to be applicable to a single post KS order so if you are allowed to do it plan what you want and make sure you can buy it all at once)
I assume the KS section will just have everything not in this KS at 20% off. Anything in this KS will be at whatever price it's listed at.
Yes. In KS1 we had a special Darklands section which has all the miniatures priced with the discount.
I was able to login to the Kickstarter v1 pledge manager and add the Anglecynn Starter set for £60 and Angrislaug for £40 or £45 the deals are still awesome. Mierce did mention they would be closing down the pledge manager very soon so they urge you to place orders ASAP. I was hoping to see Werwulfus before they close it I am not sure if I wanna gamble on them.
primalexile wrote: I was able to login to the Kickstarter v1 pledge manager and add the Anglecynn Starter set for £60 and Angrislaug for £40 or £45 the deals are still awesome. Mierce did mention they would be closing down the pledge manager very soon so they urge you to place orders ASAP. I was hoping to see Werwulfus before they close it I am not sure if I wanna gamble on them.
I don't think it is much of a risk. If you like Cearl you will probably like the Werwulfus. They are both being done by Benoit Cosse.
Alpharius wrote: I don't think Mierce has missed on a sculpt yet though - gamble away!
I'm not hugely convinced by all of the infantry scale stuff (and the melusine's proportions are just silly) but if it has fur, feathers or scales, I'm with you 100%
do check with them first as the 20% discount may only apply AFTER you've spent your KS cash as they won't want to further discount KS prices, (but since the models you're interesting are pre-existing so will be priced at retail rather than KS level they may be OK with it)
(also the 20% discount seems to be applicable to a single post KS order so if you are allowed to do it plan what you want and make sure you can buy it all at once)
If they end up doing it like they did KS1, then it's fine. If they end up doing it with what is essentially a coupon code, then they're not complying with the Kickstarter terms (and I've seen several companies have to change their plans because of this violation, so KS may enforce it).
Guys,
It's not a coupon code, nor is it a voucher code. We're well aware of Kickstarter's policies!
After the Kickstarter ends, Kickstarter backers will manage their pledge on our website (in a special category only available to them) that lists all of the items on the current Kickstarter (at the prices listed), and also most if not all of the items already released by ourselves, at 20% off rrp. Kickstarter backers do not get a coupon or voucher, they just gain access to those items.
It's likely this Kickstarter category will stay open for Kickstarter items until they are released, and for those already released items for a month, so whilst more than one order could be made for those the time you have to order them is limited.
JWBS wrote: No one has pledged for the skirmish host yet but I reckon we'll see a load of pledges at that level as the various hosts are revealed. All my purchases so far have been Tarvax stuff but I want some trolls, can't wait to see the Norse skirmish as I think that'll be my best option (depending on what's included I might just go for sweet spot + additions, or maybe I'll just stick with Darklands & Uhtred + addons) It's hard to see where best to put my money until all the options are visible, for now I'm keeping my £30+ pledge.
That's a little misleading because you can add a Skirmish Host to another pledge eg I have pledged Sweet Spot and am adding the Ysian Skirmish Host to that.
It's a matter of limited finance though. Theoretically I could put 2 grand in the KS and not have a concern about what is to come as I'd be getting it all, but like everyone else my hobby budget is finite so I prefer to keep the £30 pledge for now, which is limited in supply (the £5 discount version) and includes freebies, and wait to see if I should switch when I have all the information.
JWBS wrote: No one has pledged for the skirmish host yet but I reckon we'll see a load of pledges at that level as the various hosts are revealed. All my purchases so far have been Tarvax stuff but I want some trolls, can't wait to see the Norse skirmish as I think that'll be my best option (depending on what's included I might just go for sweet spot + additions, or maybe I'll just stick with Darklands & Uhtred + addons) It's hard to see where best to put my money until all the options are visible, for now I'm keeping my £30+ pledge.
That's a little misleading because you can add a Skirmish Host to another pledge eg I have pledged Sweet Spot and am adding the Ysian Skirmish Host to that.
It's a matter of limited finance though. Theoretically I could put 2 grand in the KS and not have a concern about what is to come as I'd be getting it all, but like everyone else my hobby budget is finite so I prefer to keep the £30 pledge for now, which is limited in supply (the £5 discount version) and includes freebies, and wait to see if I should switch when I have all the information.
Agreed, while I would love to splurge all my moneys at this, I simply don't have the resources. Thanks to Mierce handling things this way means they'll likely get several hundred more pounds out of me over the coming months, whereas if I had to pledge it all up front, I simply couldn't do that just now.
Literally the same here. Although I actually haven't picked up any of the BIG guys at all, some I'm trying to decide on one for each of my current kindreds: Norse, Fomor, and Angelcynn.
JWBS wrote: No one has pledged for the skirmish host yet but I reckon we'll see a load of pledges at that level as the various hosts are revealed. All my purchases so far have been Tarvax stuff but I want some trolls, can't wait to see the Norse skirmish as I think that'll be my best option (depending on what's included I might just go for sweet spot + additions, or maybe I'll just stick with Darklands & Uhtred + addons) It's hard to see where best to put my money until all the options are visible, for now I'm keeping my £30+ pledge.
That's a little misleading because you can add a Skirmish Host to another pledge eg I have pledged Sweet Spot and am adding the Ysian Skirmish Host to that.
It's a matter of limited finance though. Theoretically I could put 2 grand in the KS and not have a concern about what is to come as I'd be getting it all, but like everyone else my hobby budget is finite so I prefer to keep the £30 pledge for now, which is limited in supply (the £5 discount version) and includes freebies, and wait to see if I should switch when I have all the information.
My reply was not about your personal situation, but about the lack of skirmish host pledges in general not being a good indicator of pledging behaviour
plastictrees wrote:Literally the same here. Although I actually haven't picked up any of the BIG guys at all, some I'm trying to decide on one for each of my current kindreds: Norse, Fomor, and Angelcynn.
Those are the same 3 kindreds I'm interested in too!
cincydooley wrote:How do all the anglycan models look? Did you end up getting penda or any of the add ons?
I'd be interested to hear your opinions on them too...
Alpharius wrote: I don't think Mierce has missed on a sculpt yet though - gamble away!
I'm not hugely convinced by all of the infantry scale stuff (and the melusine's proportions are just silly) but if it has fur, feathers or scales, I'm with you 100%
The Melusines are from much earlier days.
The Angelcynn infantry is a better example of the kind of infantry quality from MM these days, and the kind I'm expecting for the Norse infantry! *girlish squeal of delight*
Man the Vikings just got up and are sweet. So worth it. After KS1 I can say that they communicate well (heck they are still putting on KS1 updates while KS2 is going on), make their goals, deliver on time and have very good customer service. I'm so in for KS2 and those Vikings will be mine. Now to find a longship.
cincydooley wrote: How do all the anglycan models look? Did you end up getting penda or any of the add ons?
Stunning. The troops triggered some sort of primal miniature loving instinct that got most of us in to the hobby way back when.
Penda on foot is just perfect. Meloda is very nicely done. Lady boob-belt is showing her age but would be fine in the context of any other range.
I'm getting mounted Penda with wolf helm as well but that's not done yet afaik.
I haven't picked up any of the wolves yet.
Lochlannon wrote: Man the Vikings just got up and are sweet. So worth it. After KS1 I can say that they communicate well (heck they are still putting on KS1 updates while KS2 is going on), make their goals, deliver on time and have very good customer service. I'm so in for KS2 and those Vikings will be mine. Now to find a longship.
Revell do a 1/50 scale longship kit: this is not too bad if you're not too bothered about scale (it's a little small), priced affordably
JWBS wrote: No one has pledged for the skirmish host yet but I reckon we'll see a load of pledges at that level as the various hosts are revealed. All my purchases so far have been Tarvax stuff but I want some trolls, can't wait to see the Norse skirmish as I think that'll be my best option (depending on what's included I might just go for sweet spot + additions, or maybe I'll just stick with Darklands & Uhtred + addons) It's hard to see where best to put my money until all the options are visible, for now I'm keeping my £30+ pledge.
That's a little misleading because you can add a Skirmish Host to another pledge eg I have pledged Sweet Spot and am adding the Ysian Skirmish Host to that.
It's a matter of limited finance though. Theoretically I could put 2 grand in the KS and not have a concern about what is to come as I'd be getting it all, but like everyone else my hobby budget is finite so I prefer to keep the £30 pledge for now, which is limited in supply (the £5 discount version) and includes freebies, and wait to see if I should switch when I have all the information.
My reply was not about your personal situation, but about the lack of skirmish host pledges in general not being a good indicator of pledging behaviour
Oh yeah I see, so there could be plenty of people who've added / will add for skirmish w/o actually pledging that specific level.
cincydooley wrote:How do all the anglycan models look? Did you end up getting penda or any of the add ons?
I'd be interested to hear your opinions on them too...
In a word, amazing. The Duguth infantry (elite grunts) look like they really have just stepped out of the dark ages. No huge hands or outsized faces - proportions are spot on and the detail is brilliant. Check this out for a comparison (he's missing his shield):
I think I'm going to commit to getting a small playable force, something I really had no intention of doing a while back.
But it is so different to any other game I currently play (everything is in the Sci Fi spectrum at the moment) and the models are almost uniformly gorgeous that they really deserve to be showcased en masse, rather than picked up piecemeal and shoe horned into another game, or just in isolation to paint because I can't resist them.
Can't decide on a faction just yet though, but I've got a little bit of a crush on Leofwen, so it looks like I'm Angelcynn bound.
@azrael13 It's hard to go wrong honestly. I loved the basic troops enough that I'm in to the Angelcynn for them alone, but I'm curious to see where they take the the wolf thing beyond really big wolves.
In other news, a turned a year older today, which has pushed me past the threshold that would have allowed me to figure out how the hell my signature works, so gaze upon part of an image with no links...
Mierce Miniatures wrote: Guys,
It's not a coupon code, nor is it a voucher code. We're well aware of Kickstarter's policies!
After the Kickstarter ends, Kickstarter backers will manage their pledge on our website (in a special category only available to them) that lists all of the items on the current Kickstarter (at the prices listed), and also most if not all of the items already released by ourselves, at 20% off rrp. Kickstarter backers do not get a coupon or voucher, they just gain access to those items.
It's likely this Kickstarter category will stay open for Kickstarter items until they are released, and for those already released items for a month, so whilst more than one order could be made for those the time you have to order them is limited.
Hope that helps your planning guys.
Cheers
Wow! This is awesome!
First off, are any of the bane beasts/lords available to purchase at that time as well? I've had my eye on that first hydra that was made, but haven't gotten around to picking it up.
Also, will models from the first KS which are still I being sculpted be available as well?
Lastly, if we purchased malacant, and wanted him delivered in Dec, can we have any of these already finished models sent with him to save on shipping?
Miniatures from Kickstarter I that have not yet been released will be in there, but only at RRP-20%; not at the prices Kickstarter I backers got them at I'm afraid.
Regarding Malacant, yes indeed - there will be a "ship stuff early" item that you can purchase which would mean you can get what's released sent in December.
Miniatures from Kickstarter I that have not yet been released will be in there, but only at RRP-20%; not at the prices Kickstarter I backers got them at I'm afraid.
Regarding Malacant, yes indeed - there will be a "ship stuff early" item that you can purchase which would mean you can get what's released sent in December.
Hope that helps!
Not sure how you could have helped more than that!
Apologies for not being on here much today, but it doesn't like I've needed to be! Wow! £80k! I didn't expect that today. Awesome work and thank you to all the new backers! Thanks guys. It obviously means all the sorcerers will be produced now!! I hope you're happy JL...
That obviously means a new stretch goal is due, but I won't be able to do much in terms of updates and such until Monday. That's what kids and dogs do to your spare time! However, I can tell you that this is how it's going to pan out...
£100,000 - Monstrous Commanders of course
£105,000 - Djiuzu, Dromedus Secundus - http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/ks2/djiuzu_dromedus.jpg . He's a Byzantii Dromedus, a camel-man if you will, who serves as part of the Auxilia Bestiarii. He will be similar to Mag ap Mag to purchase - free to anybody who has pledged for nobles, £20 for anybody who has a Darklands pledge and £25 to anybody else.
£110,000 - Legionary Contubernium - Decanus (leader) and four Milites (soldiers), two of which are female. These will be sold as a contubernium (decanus and seven milites, randomly picked from the four) which will cost £50, or as two contubernia, which will cost £95. There'll be no banner bearers or heralds in a contubernium, those positions were separate from the eight-men sections - part of the century
Artwork for the contubernium will be shown when we hit £85k hopefully, although they may still be roughs at that point... but roughs will be good enough to show you what's going on ;o) The artist assures me they'll be done for Monday, so rather than substitute for another (probably less popular) unit, I'm going Byzantii early!
I think the horns add a bit of character but as it's a very early work in progress sketch I'm sure things are subject to change.
It's such an odd and fairly unique (at least in my experience) looking concept for a tabletop mini that I'm intrigued by it anyway!
I do (hypocritically!) think that the scaly looking talons are a bit strange looking for the same reasons you would drop the horns, looks a bit odd on what i'd consider a 'camel man'
Scrub wrote: I think the horns add a bit of character but as it's a very early work in progress sketch I'm sure things are subject to change.
It's such an odd and fairly unique (at least in my experience) looking concept for a tabletop mini that I'm intrigued by it anyway!
I do (hypocritically!) think that the scaly looking talons are a bit strange looking for the same reasons you would drop the horns, looks a bit odd on what i'd consider a 'camel man'
The reasoning behind the scaly skin (and presumably the horns, though the questioner only asked about the skin) is, to quote Mierce "because he's been touched by the Infernii."
Woah.. almost reached the number of backers in KS 1 so far not bad. Wish BeastsofWar would cover them. As they are moving to Nottingham soon (Which is apparently the lead belt) would be an awesome beginning?
A nice little hint that the Albainn will be amongst the first to get their monsterous infantry if the KS goes high enough (we've got to unlock all the normal infantry first)
Mierce
"@Orlando - Oghurithne would be fairly high up the list, the Albainn need the monstrous infantry more than some ;o)"
In a vain effort to extract some info out of Mierce (or anyone else who is privy to more info than me)
Since I've mentally committed to assembling a small playable force but haven't decided on faction, rather than picking up the odd model I like, if I were to want to collect a force where this..
was the key image for the infantry (ie Celtic/Pictish/Gaelic warrior maidens, not the Melusines)
Would I be disappointed, and if I wasn't going to be disappointed, where in the British Isles might such a force containing these troops be from?
You can't turn around in the UK without running in to a woad covered Kiera Knightley, so it's hard to say.
I'd guess Albainn or the Irish though if Mierce has plans for more all female units.
plastictrees wrote: You can't turn around in the UK without running in to a woad covered Kiera Knightley,
Ah, if only that were true!
I'm kinda half hoping Angelcynn as I'm already in for Leofwen on Hart from KS1, but I've been a real magpie with what I've bought, so I'm not too invested in any given direction. But then, I'm not super mad keen on the werewolf motif they're rocking, so wouldn't be worried if they were a different faction.
I feel I should also mention that this isn't motivated by "hurr, boobies, hurr" but by a genuine desire to build and paint something with a totally different aesthetic to anything else I have played or currently play.
Problem is now I have a very clear idea of what I want to do, I'm going to struggle if the plans aren't in place for me to do it,
plastictrees wrote: You can't turn around in the UK without running in to a woad covered Kiera Knightley,
Ah, if only that were true!
I'm kinda half hoping Angelcynn as I'm already in for Leofwen on Hart from KS1, but I've been a real magpie with what I've bought, so I'm not too invested in any given direction. But then, I'm not super mad keen on the werewolf motif they're rocking, so wouldn't be worried if they were a different faction.
I feel I should also mention that this isn't motivated by "hurr, boobies, hurr" but by a genuine desire to build and paint something with a totally different aesthetic to anything else I have played or currently play.
Problem is now I have a very clear idea of what I want to do, I'm going to struggle if the plans aren't in place for me to do it,
Yeah, I'm guessing it would be with the Eirann as well, whenever they get fleshed out.
plastictrees wrote: You can't turn around in the UK without running in to a woad covered Kiera Knightley,
Ah, if only that were true!
I'm kinda half hoping Angelcynn as I'm already in for Leofwen on Hart from KS1, but I've been a real magpie with what I've bought, so I'm not too invested in any given direction. But then, I'm not super mad keen on the werewolf motif they're rocking, so wouldn't be worried if they were a different faction.
I feel I should also mention that this isn't motivated by "hurr, boobies, hurr" but by a genuine desire to build and paint something with a totally different aesthetic to anything else I have played or currently play.
Problem is now I have a very clear idea of what I want to do, I'm going to struggle if the plans aren't in place for me to do it,
Ottery St. Mary must not be the hot bed of half naked super model warrioresses that it was when I lived in Devon.
I'd like to see something in this vein as well. Confrontation Drune Lanyffs never lived up to their potential as minis (unless you were looking for moon headed stick figures).
Ottery St Mary may well be still, I daren't venture that deep into the hinterlands as I'm only technically a half breed (mother is from yonder) and I might not make it back!
Lochlannon wrote: Irish or Picts should fit the bill. On a side note the Roman Infantry will most certainly cause a spark. Those concept sketches look awesome!!
I'm torn. I really like the Byzantii background & infantry, but all three of the demons we've seen look like different sized versions of the same guy, which is a bit of a disappointment.
Lochlannon wrote: Irish or Picts should fit the bill. On a side note the Roman Infantry will most certainly cause a spark. Those concept sketches look awesome!!
I'm torn. I really like the Byzantii background & infantry, but all three of the demons we've seen look like different sized versions of the same guy, which is a bit of a disappointment.
If you look at the Byzantii female commander's thigh you will see a helmet in the shape of Krull's and the others head. I think this style of daemon is just the one the Byzantii have made their pact with.....personally a succubus would not go a miss ;-)
Note: The smaller image is slightly incorrect, as it should say £105k rather than £85k. The larger image has been updated to the correct number though.
Update #12
£105,000 Stretch Goal - Djiuzu, Dromedus Secundus
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It's incredible! After an awesome weekend of pledging we've now reached £80,000 for the project, which unlocks the Sorcerers of course, and so we are very happy bunnies indeed here at Mierce Towers.
So let's do some celebrating with you again by bringing you another stretch goal for £105,000 and the awesomeness that is Djiuzu, another monstrous commander for the Byzantii and a Dromedus (a mix of man, camel and daemon) of the Auxilia Bestiarii.
Unfortunately Christophe did not quite have enough time to finish Djiuzu as he would want, but when he is complete we will of course update the above graphics. Until then, enjoy what you have - and let's hope we get to £85,000 quickly, too, because we have a superb update for you all when we do...
Slinky wrote: I started off not liking it, but it's grown on me, now I want one
Keep in mind that the concept sketch is still a draft. But what won me over was this demonic "spindliness"and the otherworldly flexibility of its form (and the cleaver-like sword of course ).
I hope they manage to dig up concepts of the werewolves. I know they are thinking about putting together an encounter host with them involved - that would be seriously sweet to see. Watching those number climb baby.
Rob had a few drinks, the total went up so several bits of info etc slipped out
Byzantii
The legionaries will be sold as a contubernium: decanus and seven milites, randomly picked from the four (2 male, 2 female)) which will cost £50, or as two contubernia, which will cost £95, or as three contubernia, which will cost £135. (see Zedmeisters post a bit further back for the images)
Formoric
Gabrax (Human sized, basic infantry, Gabrax unlock at £120,000)
Gabrax
Gabrax
Gabrox (Monsterous Infantry,40-50mm tall, similar in price to the Dynwocor and Dromedus,Unlocks at will be at £115,000)
The new Fomoraic Encounter host is great to me. The only double from the Tarvax starter set from KS1 would be Brunchaath and I think he'd be useful for converting to add even more variety to the other Gabrax.
Gabrox is wicked as well, and another great Demon Prince stand-in from Mierce.
Thanks for that like - Penda on Horse is incredible!
I just ordered a bunch of minis - all of which are ready, I think, expect for... Belech!
Is there any timeline for when he'll be done?
From a update.
Roberto Chaudon: he's working on Vaak of course, and then he will begin Petróyos and finally Belech. At Roberto's speed they should easily be done before the end of November!
Benoît Cosse: Vókkinak is stalled a little whilst some changes are made. All of his other projects - Aalvór, Maallolvór and the Werwulfas will follow in due course.
£110,000 Stretch Goal - Con I Modius, Legionary Contubernium
Some excellent news for you all: £85,000 has been reached, which ensures the awesome Mag ap Mag will be produced, and it also means we're not too far away from the magic £100,000!
That's not all the news for you, of course. Knocking over another stretch goal means we can unveil another, and it's a fantastic one - the long-awaited infantry for the Byzantii, in the eight-man shape of a rag-tag, mixed sex Legionary Contubernium named "Con I Modius" (First Contubernium commanded by Modius)!
As it states above, you can purchase a contubernium in multiples too, saving a bit in the process!
Each contubernium includes a decanus (champion) - named "Modius" - and seven milites, a random mixture of the four milites - Livia, Severia, Tiberius and Gellius - that will be sculpted.
Please note, a contubernium does not include a banner bearer (signifer) or herald (cornificer); these two positions in the legions were part of the century rather than an individual contubernium.
The maximum unit size of a Contubernium as a unit in Darklands is 8. The minimum is 5.
Contubernia will feature in both encounter and skirmish hosts for the Byzantii when they are unlocked.
Fenriswulf wrote: Hopefully the monstrous Albainn stuff won't be too far in. Would like to see that get made.
Now presumably the Monstrous Infantry for the Albainn will be similar to the giant we got for free in the first KS, right? Kind of an Ogimos sized giant? Maybe they've already said that and I simply missed it?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well damn, that little Contubernium package looks fantastic. I won't be going with Byzantii, but not for lack of being interested after those photos!
Alpharius wrote: As much as I want to see more 'regular' Infantry, I'm guessing that the monstrous stuff is what really drives Mierce's Kickstarters and overall sales?
Still, I think the Norse, Byzantii and Fomor Skirmish Hosts should help whip things into nice frenzy too!
Yeah, I'm pretty prepared to blow my wad on some Norse infantry
Honestly, I'm already looking forward to KS 3 where I can start to get my Irish on with the Eirann
1) Helping keep this thread on the straight and narrow. Mierce had some...'obstacles' to over come here, but they have, I believe, more than earned their good reputation with their initial Darklands Kickstarter, and look to be on track to do the same going forward with this one. Their communication and delivery on KS1 has been great, and I expect that to continue on KS2.
2) Helping me get into this game and helping me get a load of really awesome miniatures.
I've been looking for SOMETHING to fill the void that the death of Confrontation and Rackham left, and this game and miniature line looks to be a solid contender for it!
I am getting a ton of Fomoraic army stuff, and I'm looking forward to building Angelcynn and Norse armies too.
@Alpharius: Glad to see I'm not the only one using Mierce to fit that Rackham-sized hole in my gaming/miniatures heart. Glad those scale shots are being put to good use. I had no idea Mjagnir was quite so big until I put him next to that horribly painted Bloodthirster, either. Of course, I can only dream about my ideal combat:
These are Rackham's Son's of Ogmios (it was me who mentioned them, I don't think Mierce have)
If they look as dynamic or anything like this, I will go ape for them. I love how animated they are, and look how a rampaging murderous bloodthirsty Ogre should, not fatties half-heartedly walking forward holding weapons.
razormage wrote: @Alpharius: Glad to see I'm not the only one using Mierce to fit that Rackham-sized hole in my gaming/miniatures heart. Glad those scale shots are being put to good use. I had no idea Mjagnir was quite so big until I put him next to that horribly painted Bloodthirster, either.
@Fenriswulf - you are righter than you know. The Giant Barbarians, the Sons of Ogmios, I can unashamedly say that they've all influenced the Oghurithne and the Albainn.
Bagseg is an example of how the Oghurithne will look, but we'd have to get a fair bit of cash - over £200k in this Kickstarter - to get the Oghurithne unit done. So get pledging, everyone ;o)
@Alpharius: No worries! I'd uploaded the images last night but hadn't had a chance to stick the [ img ] tags in that would let me post them here. I'm glad to be helpful, and I still stand by my opinion that these are the best miniatures currently being produced.
To any of you who are on the fence about getting in on their Kickstarter and want pictures of anything in their existing line, or have questions, or just need reassurance about things, drop me a PM and I'm happy to talk about it!
Mierce Miniatures wrote: @Fenriswulf - you are righter than you know. The Giant Barbarians, the Sons of Ogmios, I can unashamedly say that they've all influenced the Oghurithne and the Albainn.
Bagseg is an example of how the Oghurithne will look, but we'd have to get a fair bit of cash - over £200k in this Kickstarter - to get the Oghurithne unit done. So get pledging, everyone ;o)
Cheers
Awesome to know. Hopefully we can get to 200k!
Real quick question: the gigantic runestones/lodestones all of the Oghurithne and Albainn are carrying on their backs, what are they for? I feel like I read it before on the mierce site, but I went scouring for it and can no longer find it!
@Cincydooley: I seem to recall them providing protection or resistance against magic. Urbad's gives him 5 Will Dice (from what I remember, like Parry Dice from Armor, but towards magic) with a Will range of 10".
Also, his mattock's special rule is "Breaking Urbad", which is worth it just for the pun (and its ability to destroy Sorcerous armor, which I assume will be more prevalent in the full game).
razormage wrote: @Cincydooley: I seem to recall them providing protection or resistance against magic. Urbad's gives him 5 Will Dice (from what I remember, like Parry Dice from Armor, but towards magic) with a Will range of 10".
Also, his mattock's special rule is "Breaking Urbad", which is worth it just for the pun (and its ability to destroy Sorcerous armor, which I assume will be more prevalent in the full game).
You know what, that sounds absolutely right. I couldn't remember where I saw it, but that's it.
And the "Breaking Urbad" rule is just great. Love the sense of humor in it.
In general I think some of darklands stuff looks nice...the price point just seems insane...I mean they are charging GW level prices and trying to claim its a discount over what RRP will be. I highly doubt any retailers will carry the models with those price points successfully. It really seems to be pricing themselves out of the market except for some extremely niche collectors.
Sorry but about $140 for 16 Byzantium normal sized models is crazy expensive. Thats more than people pay for GW which is also crazily priced anymore.
At those price points for discounted minis I honestly I have no interest in the system.
chaos45 wrote: In general I think some of darklands stuff looks nice...the price point just seems insane...I mean they are charging GW level prices and trying to claim its a discount over what RRP will be. I highly doubt any retailers will carry the models with those price points successfully. It really seems to be pricing themselves out of the market except for some extremely niche collectors.
Sorry but about $140 for 16 Byzantium normal sized models is crazy expensive. Thats more than people pay for GW which is also crazily priced anymore.
At those price points for discounted minis I honestly I have no interest in the system.
The way I view it is thusly:
Mierce Miniatures makes the highest quality miniatures on the planet. In order to pay the artists, the sculptors, and to hand-cast each miniature, you pay a premium.
Citadel Miniatures make a range of mediocre-to-high-quality miniatures that are, as you put it, crazily priced.
Fortunately, many retailers already do carry the range of models. They are quite popular simply because they are the best.
I buy them because I already have piles of mediocre miniatures. I don't need to spend any more money on more mediocre minis.
chaos45 wrote: In general I think some of darklands stuff looks nice...the price point just seems insane...I mean they are charging GW level prices and trying to claim its a discount over what RRP will be. I highly doubt any retailers will carry the models with those price points successfully. It really seems to be pricing themselves out of the market except for some extremely niche collectors.
Sorry but about $140 for 16 Byzantium normal sized models is crazy expensive. Thats more than people pay for GW which is also crazily priced anymore.
At those price points for discounted minis I honestly I have no interest in the system.
Well, I think you're wrong, and here's why:
1. The miniatures are firstly intended for their system. This is especially true for their infantry. The game is a skirmish game, and as such requires FAR less models than any GW game. Those 16 Byzantium infantry models are going to run you around 500 points in game, or 1/4 points of the "normal sized" 2000 point game. Further, a 5 man strong unit of monstrous infantry is going to run you nearly the same amount of points. Boom. That's half your army right there. Throw in some leaders and a Monster or Two, and getting to 2000 points is easy.
2. You clearly haven't seen or handled any of the models in person. You're absolutely getting what you pay for. I've only handled models from 4ish kindreds, but I can tell you, unequivocally, that they're leaps and bound better than any comprable GW model. And it isn't even close.
...Yeah, but the price of the infantry units is, for what is still rank-and-file 28mm stuff, really pretty damn steep. Paying $140 for a couple of infantrymen is tough to swallow. The monster units are a much easier sell (at least those are centrepieces of their own, and we're used to paying through the nose for such models even if of much lesser quality).
It's just one of those things games at this scale suffer from: not enough models to go for cheap, (somewhat) repetitive infantry but still too many models to really go to town on each individual infantryman. Keep in mind this is just something fun on the side for many of us - and most of us aren't really used to seeing that kind of price tag on units of infantry. I'll probably be crazy enough to get a small infantry unit if the Khthones inf looks anything like that foot general (or was it sorc?) concept they put out, if they ever get to it, but getting a decent amount of those is out of the question.
I see *your* point, but it's a tough sell for many of us
...And in unrelated matters, I'd really like to damn well get my hands on some actual darklands stuff right about now... Still no word about those bloody Khthones actually shipping. blegh I don't suppose I'll have anything "in hand" before KS2 ends, sadly - which probably means me holding back on the spending in this one.
By the way, are any Khthones models already shipping, aside from KS rewards?
Send me an e-mail (kickstarter at mierce - miniatures dot com) with your name and order numbers and I'll get something out to you this week, even if it's not all of it.
I genuinely believe you'll kick yourself if you don't get in on the current Kickstarter!
There is absolutely no way we could afford to do plastics, even if we wanted to do them - which we don't.
The price may well be a hindrance for many, I freely admit that; but if we didn't charge those prices, we couldn't make these miniatures.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for, as Doug and cincydooley state. If you don't want to pay these prices, that's entirely up to you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I would like to add, of course, that there's loads of savings on the current Kickstarter - "The Sweet Spot" reward being one, in many cases over 50% off rrp.
There is absolutely no way we could afford to do plastics, even if we wanted to do them - which we don't.
let me direct you to Kingdom Death's plastics
Spoiler:
I think it's possible, but I do agree with you that the money is better spent right now on sculptors and sculpts.
Perhaps in a year or two after Mierce continues to grow
chaos45 wrote: In general I think some of darklands stuff looks nice...the price point just seems insane...I mean they are charging GW level prices and trying to claim its a discount over what RRP will be. I highly doubt any retailers will carry the models with those price points successfully. It really seems to be pricing themselves out of the market except for some extremely niche collectors.
Sorry but about $140 for 16 Byzantium normal sized models is crazy expensive. Thats more than people pay for GW which is also crazily priced anymore.
At those price points for discounted minis I honestly I have no interest in the system.
A much better deal is going for one of the premade hosts.
Doug, she looks awesome of course, but It's not really about the quality - it's about control. We produce everything ourselves in resin; we couldn't do that with plastic.
We're happy with resin for the foreseeable future. If that means we stay small, then we stay small.
We have quite a devoted following at the moment, for which I am very grateful, and we are not about to do a Rackham.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I would like to add, of course, that there's loads of savings on the current Kickstarter - "The Sweet Spot" reward being one, in many cases over 50% off rrp.
Let me second this: the sweet spot reward level is an insane deal. Full playable war host. Mounted commanders. Rules Danillo. Wowzers.
Team, let me apologize for not doing a nice review of these models when I got the first of my KS stuff. I was so eager to build I didn't take nearly enoug pictures to do a decent review. I have a few more bits and bobs coming and will make sure to do one then.
Part of the reason that Mierce runs such a very good Kickstarter is that they have control over the process. They make their goals because they control the flow of things. Is it expensive - that depends on your outlook. I have a number of them waiting for me at home to paint. I haven't put them together and I am in on KS2. They are beautiful models, its a good supportive community and totally worth it.
Could they make it cheaper by using plastics and mass producing them - maybe. This would also lead to huge lead times and somehow a loss of quality somewhere. I am not willing to make the "Plastic Plunge" and more then likely neither are they. Most of the Miercites (new word?) are in it for the look of the models and not the game play (though admittedly the game play is good), so I think people need to have a foot in both camps - Rules, Miniatures to fully appreciate what they have to offer. I think its a testimony to the way they run their kickstarers that most of the people are back and oddly we are still getting updates for KS1 during KS2.
Good customer service, they do what they say they are going to do and when something goes wrong - they make it right. I have seen this occur first hand.
Send me an e-mail (kickstarter at mierce - miniatures dot com) with your name and order numbers and I'll get something out to you this week, even if it's not all of it.
I genuinely believe you'll kick yourself if you don't get in on the current Kickstarter!
How does that sound?
Cheers
Sounds good, email sent I'm in for the book and mini deal atm already so not entirely missing out in any case
Definitely echo the sheer quality and detail of these sculpts. Have only painted a few but they are a joy to paint. As always it comes down to what you value in your hobby. If anything, I'd say just take a punt and get one or two of them just to see the quality for yourself. When you have something like Penda, Maagaan or any of the others in your hand, you will want to paint it and get more!
He is an Albainn Giant, and will be 160mm to the eye, on a 120mm base. A lot bigger than Mjagnir, taller than Krull's wings. A proper Giant, but still useable in the game!
and again with the mods being the ones going most off-topic... Gotta give it to Mierce's CS though - they're pretty damn quick in taking care of customers Well, looks as if I'll be getting some goodies on this KS, in all likelihood.
I've got Norse and Brythoiad....for now. I actually have a few Anglycnn pieces (the two checks and creoda) and Kraan on the bear. I waffled about Anglycnn quite a bit, but didn't end up getting them mostly because I'm waiting for the Eirann.
Mierce Miniatures wrote: @Fenriswulf - you are righter than you know. The Giant Barbarians, the Sons of Ogmios, I can unashamedly say that they've all influenced the Oghurithne and the Albainn.
Bagseg is an example of how the Oghurithne will look, but we'd have to get a fair bit of cash - over £200k in this Kickstarter - to get the Oghurithne unit done. So get pledging, everyone ;o)
Cheers
Oh dear lord... I want this to hit the level that you can make them at! They are just too damn awesome to not be made! I can imagine how awesome and stompy they are in my minds eye...
I don't know if we'll make it though. Would be a shame if we didn't. No amount of pretty-pleases will get them made sooner I am guessing?
I so want the Vikings and the Gesith are awesome beyond measure. Hope we reach them. I plan to dual purpose all the infantry and attempt to use it for SAGA as well. They are simply some very nice minis. My heart smiles but my wallet cringes a little. My wife shops in The Buckle, this is like The Buckle of miniatures.
Other rampant speculation:
Albiann oghurthune around the £200k level
Norse raven-men
Khthones and Albiann monstrous commander options are oddly missing from the goals above…
So hawt. My only wish is that their webpage took paypal. My debit card got frozen this morning after a rather large order was placed yesterday. Heh. Wonderful surprise this morning as I was stopping to get gas :-)
I haven't been this excited for a Kickstarter since Kingdom Death, and I haven't been this excited to get some miniatures and start painting and gaming with them since back in Rackham's glory days!
I'm sorry I missed out on KS1, but cincy helped me out there...
What is amazing to me on this one is that, right now, the average per backer is £190!
That is pretty impressive!
That's about what I think I'll be in for too, at a minimum!
I really like that Norse Skirmish Host, but I'm starting to wish that you could swap some things out as I'm not a hug fan of the Blood Maw mini.
And a different 'problem' on the rumored Fomoraic Encounter host is that I already have Brunchaath!
Does Mierce allow some switching out in the Host bundles?
Either way, I can see myself spending a LOT of money on this one.
One quick clarification question - would I have to add in a total of £20 or £30 to get everything shipped to me here in the USA as soon as it is available?
Anyway...I am really excited to get all of this stuff and get to gaming!
cincydooley wrote: So hawt. My only wish is that their webpage took paypal. My debit card got frozen this morning after a rather large order was placed yesterday. Heh. Wonderful surprise this morning as I was stopping to get gas :-)
I would like that too, as I've found an issue with their site and the 3D verification for my card when using Chrome for IOS (strangely, switching to Safari solved it, but was annoying for a bit)
It might be just a conscious effort not to get gouged by PayPal, or, dare I say, given where they came from, that they aren't the best of friends any more?
Alpharius wrote: I haven't been this excited for a Kickstarter since Kingdom Death, and I haven't been this excited to get some miniatures and start painting and gaming with them since back in Rackham's glory days!
I'm sorry I missed out on KS1, but cincy helped me out there...
One quick clarification question - would I have to add in a total of £20 or £30 to get everything shipped to me here in the USA as soon as it is available?
Anyway...I am really excited to get all of this stuff and get to gaming!
If you add £10 everything will be shipped in one box once everything is done
If you add £20 you'll get two boxes, one with minis in the {General/Commander/Female Commander/Sorceror & Monsterous Commander levels} and a second with anything unlocking after £100K
If you add £30 you'll get three boxes, one with everything already sculpted (ie stuff already on the mierce website plus I think Malacant), plus the two boxes above
so to get your stuff as fast as possible add £20 if you're not getting Malacant or anything from Mierce's existing range, or £30 if you are
So I'm one of the dudes responsible for The War Store demos at GenCon. I'm thinking Darklands may be one of my focal games for next year. If the KS can stick to Timeline, and based on previous experiences there's no reason to think otherwise, the rules would be dropping right before then.
My question is this: what two kindreds should I paint up and how many infantry models do y'all think are necessary to show how the group attacks can whittle down monsters? Mierce guys, I'd love your input here for that.
Id probably go the the Angelycnns and the Norse. The present range Norse are mostly beasts, the present range Angelcynns are mostly regular infantry. Would give you time to have both painted up when you go demo as opposed to waiting
Automatically Appended Next Post: Granted those Vikings are so good. Personally Im looking to dual purpose the figs for saga since Im none to fond of their minis, but their rule set seems cool.
Torku (breasts/detailed vagina) and Euryalia will also push the 'sex' button so again might not be suitable
Agree on Torku, not the best sculpt by far.
However, breasts are separate, and go in the bin, vagina is sanded back and filled, utterly stupid feature, this is a "Bone aberrant" why is it fleshy?
No, I'm not a prude, but I believe in subtlety and suitability, neither work in this case.
I also removed the hair, leaving just a bony cranium.
No one forces you to leave the models as they are sculpted, grab that exacto and go nuts!
I think the Ysians could work well, just go with ax-drunes, brutes etc. Throw in a Terror of Fortriu or Ungefelic for some recognisable monsters to catch peoples eye.
Ysians VS. Brythoniaid would be a nice set up IMO (once the welsh have infantry) as you get some excellent versions of traditional fantasy monsters, some stuff that's uniquely Darklands and a nice contrast between to the two sides.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And now I want to buy a Ysian and Brythoniaid starter. feth.
My biggest focus I think is going to have to be putting together two demo forces that highlight the unique gameplay elements darklands offers. I think it's really important to show how a group of infantry takes down a big creature as well as the orders. At the same time, the demo has to be small enough that I can do them in 10ish minutes as these take place on the vendor floor at gencon.
Additionally, it's be nice if, at that point, mierce had some plans for packaged "starter boxes," either as a starter force per army, or even a 2P starter box. I think the starter force per army is more realistic obviously. Maybe a commander, 3-5 human sized infantry, and 1-2 monstrous infantry for around $100 USD. The margins on it would have to be smaller, obviously, than some of the other products to make it viable.
Firstly, we'll never accept PayPal again I'm afraid, they are a law unto themselves.
Secondly, regarding swaps, I'm afraid there's no chance that we could do for you - logistically that would become a nightmare very quickly and lead to many errors. However, there's usually a few trades going on in the Mierce forums, so feel free to ask over there.
Firstly, we'll never accept PayPal again I'm afraid, they are a law unto themselves.
Secondly, regarding swaps, I'm afraid there's no chance that we could do for you - logistically that would become a nightmare very quickly and lead to many errors. However, there's usually a few trades going on in the Mierce forums, so feel free to ask over there.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Sounds like a good idea!
Once the Norse skirmish host is officially revealed, I'll do that on the Mierce Official Forums and here too!
And while I'm disappointed at the "no PayPal" decision I can understand it.
PayPal can be easily abused by unscrupulous buyers...
Automatically Appended Next Post: And there it is!
Update #16
Oct 10, 2013
Unlockable Skirmish Hosts
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As promised, here's some unlockable Skirmish Hosts for you all thanks to the infantry units close to being unlocked. Get pledging guys!
As it states on the graphic, these hosts really do depend upon the stretch goals being reached; but if you pledge for them now, it's much more likely that they'll be unlocked. That's the Kickstarter conundrum!
There will of course be more Skirmish and Encounter Hosts when more infantry units become unlocked, so watch for more very soon...
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here yet but it came up in the comments either yesterday or the day before
but Mierce have got Hector Moran (of Kingdom Death fame) on board as their first digital sculptor
he's likely to be working on things like the Kthones where the sculpting of 1000s of individual scales takes a heavy toll on traditional sculptors
(it's hard to keep scales uniform enough to look good and they get bored with it so it's harder to get them to commit to do multiple minis, especially big ones)
When an attack is occuring, the defender can nominate a number of parry dice up to either their attack dice, natural parrys, or armor/shield parries, correct?
For instance, and I'm using the host rules:
A single Duguth warrior is attacking a Troll with his Spear. The Troll player has 5 attacks with his two cleavers, and additionally has 1 armor parry dice with his heavy armor. The Troll player can elect to use his amor parry dice (which he gets for every attack) and elects to parry with two of his cleaver attacks as well, for a total of 3 parry dice, giving him an extra chance to parry even if both Duguth attacks connect. When the Duguth Warrior is unable to kill the troll, in step 6 of the combat sequence the Troll Warrior would be able to return 3 attacks against the Duguth warrior.
Is that correct? Could a player opt to not take ANY but natural or armor parry saves, in order to get extra attacks at the end of the combat sequence?
cincydooley wrote: Oh. Snap. So the only save he'll get is the single armor parry, so if there are two hits from the Duguth, one is getting through automatically?
And then, following up, the Troll, as long as he is alive at the end of the Attackers Combat Phase, will get to return his attacks, correct?
No, that's not how it works. However many strikes the Duguth get, the Troll rolls to parry; and he can re-roll one of those strikes if he's wearing heavy armour. For example, the Duguth manages to strike the Troll with 1 attack die. That attack die becomes a strike die - i.e., the Duguth has struck the Troll. The Troll now rolls that strike die and may re-roll it if he fails it with his armour's parry die.
Hope that helps!
I'm putting a video up tomorrow (doubt it will get done tonight) which will run through a complete 750 gold battle, so you'll see how things work there! Should be instructive, although I sound like an idiot of course...!
Oh perfect. Thanks for the clarifications. Looks like we were playing THAT wrong. Hahah.
I think too much of my confrontation background was showing through in that reading of the rules.
So to get it straight.
3 diguth hit with a total of 3 attacks.
Because it's an armor save, the troll gets just 1 armor reroll out of the three strikes. Or gets to reroll all 3 because it's an armor roll (whereas with a shield he would only get to reroll 1)?
From there, the strike takes the M+W and goes against the trolls C+Armor.
Troll gets easier to wound. But not easier to hit. Troll loses attacks as his C goes down.
And those monstrous commanders do look sweet, but I'd rather wait to see sculpts instead of going off of the art (although I don't dispute that Mierce's scluptors have done a fantastic job of matching the art with their sculpts).
cincydooley wrote: My biggest focus I think is going to have to be putting together two demo forces that highlight the unique gameplay elements darklands offers. I think it's really important to show how a group of infantry takes down a big creature as well as the orders. At the same time, the demo has to be small enough that I can do them in 10ish minutes as these take place on the vendor floor at gencon.
Additionally, it's be nice if, at that point, mierce had some plans for packaged "starter boxes," either as a starter force per army, or even a 2P starter box. I think the starter force per army is more realistic obviously. Maybe a commander, 3-5 human sized infantry, and 1-2 monstrous infantry for around $100 USD. The margins on it would have to be smaller, obviously, than some of the other products to make it viable.
Are you using beta rules, or how are you already playing when this KS is for the rules? Sorry if this has already been answered and I'd love to get a demo of this from you if I'm at GenCon again next year.
@cincydooley - you had it right up to "Or gets to reroll all 3" - there's just the one re-roll from the parry die on the heavy armour.
You get to roll the 3 duguth hit dice (called strike dice) - they're not re-rolls, they're just "armour saves" to use a certain game's expression (they're really "constitution and armour saves" but you get what I mean I am sure).
Yah. We've been using the QuickStart rules, though we've apparently been playing a few things incorrectly.
rTides, if you have any trouble getting to the QuickStart rules I can help you out.
Personally, I really, really like them (even though we were playing a few things wrong it appears ). I love how the big baddies like the Jotun get weaker and easier to damage the more damage they take, and their skill really reflects how clumsy and cumbersome they are.
I was reading through the muster lists today to try and figure out what kind of demo kit I should prepare for GenCon. I've got some time, but I want to make sure I have all the models I need (I'll probably do a special demo set because of all the not-me handling they'll take) so I'll need to order some more. I keep pestering the poor mierce guys about a demo team, too, because I like the game that much.
Right now, I'm thinking I will do Duguth and some Anglycnn as one side and then probably the Norse with trolls as my 2nd. I've got the trolls and the Norse, so I'd only need to get a few Anglycnn models (I have meloda and the other chick, and a creoda). Probably the most economical way for me to do it.
We have a cracking update for you today! We have work in progress images of four miniatures, news of Kickstarter I progress and a reminder that on Monday the Kickstarter I category on the Mierce Miniatures website will finally, utterly and irrevocably, be locked... apart from miniatures that haven't been sent out or released yet, of course!
Vaak, Moraine-Beast
Roberto has completed Vaak, our a construct of ice and rock, all angles and chips and texture!
Roberto's next project for us is Pétroyos the Lískarchon!
Ssibyros, Gorgonarchon
Stéphane NGuyen is almost there with Ssibyros, as you can see! It shouldn't be long before he's winging his snakey way to us and then to your door, although there's still a few things to iron out.
Jowan of Carn Dhu, Hound-Master
Refreshed by his holiday, Stéphane Simon has cracked on with Jowan very quickly. This is good news, because that means the Drune-Hounds are around the corner too!
Gamla Bror, Troll Gothi
Let's finish on Allan Carrasco's simply stunning incarnation of Gamla Bror, our Troll Gothi. This really is shaping up to be a work of art and we are amazed at how awesome it actually is right now! Don't take our word for it though: have a look below...
Kickstarter I Progress
It's time to update you on Kickstarter I fulfilment progress!
We're about two-thirds of the way through the Angelcynn infantry starter sets, mainly because of the spear-stiffening; it adds a further delay to each miniature produced, but the results far outweigh the cost of this delay and we're pretty sure that you'd prefer stiff spears to bendy ones!
What this means is that we'll take a little longer than originally thought to complete the Angelcynn shipments, so you're looking at late October now before they're all sent out. Bear in mind that this is not an exact science and it does depend on manpower!
Thus, it will be November at the earliest before the Gorgonares starters begin to ship, not least because we don't yet have Ssibyros yet of course; but we are getting there.
Of other recently completed sculpts, both Chaagmuth on foot and Brynhild Gunnblindi are now being shipped, but we are prioritising those orders with starter sets so if that's all you've left with us, please be patient!
In terms of other sculpt progress, here's a few snippets...
Allan Carrasco: Gamla Bror is in progress of course, and Qaano will be sculpted later in the year.
Benoît Cosse: Vókkinak is finished and he is working on Aalvór as this is written. Maallolvór and the Werwulfas (whose concept art has now been assigned) will follow in due course.
Roberto Chaudon: Vaak is about finished and he will begin Petróyos shortly after, with Belech following.
James van Schaik: he should be starting Kernuor on Karnun Beast around the end of October.
Stéphane NGuyen: he is still sculpting Ssibyros and that should be completed soon. Druc will follow from him.
Stéphane Simon: Jowan is in progress of course, with the drune-hounds following. Then he'll begin work on Leofwen on her Hart (as well as Leofwen on foot from Kickstarter II).
I know the feeling. But my money's going on KS2. But I want Gamla. And Ssibyros! Oh gawd...
I've been trying to figure out the most cost effective way for me to get the stuff I want/need, and if its through the KS1 portal or through KS2.
I know I need another faction with troops for my demo stuff, and I know that I want the Brythoniad starter.
I also know that the Anglycnn starter would be better for demos since it has troops. Sadly, with both of those starter sets, I have models from both. I have Credoa, Meloda, and Aethlgyn (or whatver her name is) So thats like, half the KS1 starter package.
I know the feeling. But my money's going on KS2. But I want Gamla. And Ssibyros! Oh gawd...
I've been trying to figure out the most cost effective way for me to get the stuff I want/need, and if its through the KS1 portal or through KS2.
I know I need another faction with troops for my demo stuff, and I know that I want the Brythoniad starter.
I also know that the Anglycnn starter would be better for demos since it has troops. Sadly, with both of those starter sets, I have models from both. I have Credoa, Meloda, and Aethlgyn (or whatver her name is) So thats like, half the KS1 starter package.
And honestly, I want the Brythoniad more anyways
I don't envy you your choice. Well, it may be worth considering the more popular Kindreds. By my reckoning, these are:
Brythoniaid - Dragonmen (always popular) Angelcynn - Werewolves Norse - Vikings. Who else do you get to Sail, Land, Burn and Plunder with?
Lucky for you, Byzantii aren't ready for your demos as I think a Roman Legion marching against Viking raiders would look so bloody brilliant, who wouldn't want in on that?
I have, and will definitely be getting, all the Norse stuff. Its the stuff I was most drawn to originally, and I like it a lot.
I actually like the Sronax, but based on their backstory, they seem to be the most evil of all of the factions, and I'm a gigantic pussball, and never do the bad guys.
The faction I'm really waiting for is the Eirann. I wants me some Irishmen.
If I get some of the Norse Infantry in this KS, they should be to me by GenCon, so I could always do Norseman against the Brythoniad dragons and call my Steersman Hiccup.
I think I may just need to sack up and order some Duguth so that I can do the demos with infantry.
cincydooley wrote: And the KS section of the website will officially be closed monday. gak. gak gak gak.
Wait... does this mean people can still add-on funds for KS1 until Monday?
If so... Alpharius, do you think you can let me know today whether or not you plan to get the Blood Maw for me to buy off of you from KS2?
If you aren't needing to get it, I'll ask if someone here who is still waiting on a KS1 shipment if they might add it on to their KS1 pledge for me before Monday
Yeah most likely just waiting to hear back from Alpharius, since I'd already offered to buy his from KS2. But if he's not getting one... getting it from KS1 sooner would be sweet
I know it's somewhat more expensive, but you guys should just wait till KS2 is over and buy the older figures you need from the website. You can add funds into the kickstarter now, and that will push the total up to get more figures made for everyone. This is what I'm planning to do.
That's what I've finally decided to do after much dilly dallying so I've gone for a skirmish host & Malacant as part of the Kickstarter and I'll wait till the new Dragon is out then pick up the rest of the stuff I want from the old kick starter then.
That's annoying - it looks like the start of the KS was pushed back, but the end might not have been. Means it ends before I get paid, rather than after, so it'll just be the Sweet Spot for me, I think :(
Dysartes wrote: That's annoying - it looks like the start of the KS was pushed back, but the end might not have been. Means it ends before I get paid, rather than after, so it'll just be the Sweet Spot for me, I think :(
WEll... you could put it a bad credit card number for now and pledge properly, resolve it when you get paid!
FANTASTIC! We've reached £100,000, which means ALL of the original noble stretch goals have been achieved, and this unlocks many, many goodies - not the least of which is the "DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES" reward worth well over £1,200; yet you can grab it for just £700, around a 42% saving from recommended retail price!
With another stretch goal knocked over, it's time to unveil the next one, and it's superb. Hot on the heels of the Gesíthas is another amazing Angelcynn miniature - Broga, the first of our Wereoforas or man-boars - and a Thegn to boot! He is also the first of our Eoforas, East Anglians, who reside on the east coast of Angle-land.
Broga is a monstrous commander and will stand on a 60mm base. He'll be around 50mm tall to the eye, so he'll be a big 'un!
As it states above, Broga is FREE to any backer that has pledged for the "DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES" or "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT" rewards, and a little bit cheaper for anybody who has pledged for the "DARKLANDS & UHTRED", "DARKLANDS & UHTRED, EARLIER" or "THE SWEET SPOT" rewards; increase your pledge by £20 if you've chosen the latter two rewards, and by £25 to get him if you've chosen any other reward!
The idea behind the Khthones is that they're not a naturally evolved species; rather, they were designed as such by the... gosh guys, help me out here: were it the Byzantes or Atlantaeans?
Aaanyway, that means they were basically slapped together in whatever fashion would entertain their masters more. ...And of course, in true, let's not call it Japanese, fashion this involves both monstrous a monstrous and slithery nature, as well as aforementioned mammary apparati.
Elemental wrote: Snakes with nipples? Or indeed, snakes with any sort of mammary apparatus? I'll be interested to see how boar-man turns out, though.
Humanoid snakes, apply mermaid logic, makes just as much sense.
It's been implied that the Gorgorar (snake-ladies) were, perhaps, sex-slaves for the Atlanteans before the Kthones rebelled against them and escaped
so no doubt they were engineered to please some pretty messed up tastes
Actually I think Mierce-miniatures on the KS comments went a bit past implying that, earlier today.
Game could do without such details IMO, but eh. I can always not buy the models.
Anyway, MM individually contacting me regarding my KS pledge and actually shipping some stuff early, combined with a lot of positivity around pretty much most everything darklands-related from most here pushed me into buying a Tarvax starter and Shaaroc, the Drackox [sic?] just now so there's no cash to get another Khthonish unit anyway, realistically
Elemental wrote: Snakes with nipples? Or indeed, snakes with any sort of mammary apparatus? I'll be interested to see how boar-man turns out, though.
Humanoid snakes, apply mermaid logic, makes just as much sense.
It's been implied that the Gorgorar (snake-ladies) were, perhaps, sex-slaves for the Atlanteans before the Kthones rebelled against them and escaped
so no doubt they were engineered to please some pretty messed up tastes
Now explain why the Fomoraic ice construct has a butt crack.
(It probably says something about me that I notice details like this.)
Ok, I'll give it a go!
The crack isn't a necessary part of the erm.... butt mechanism? but a feature allowing the two large muscles to drive the legs independently (imagine having a single butt muscle, your legs just wouldn't work) and the same would apply, even without a digestive system. I'm not familiar enough with the model to know if there is an "aperture" or not, but if there is, then its fair to assume that in Darklands, once summoned, even magical creatures need to eat, and everybody poops,
What in heavens' name do you need more than one of those for, rather than one of those, and one of the other magnificent monsters available at that price, if I might ask?
RiTides wrote: Hey cincy, did you get my PM? I wanted to add 2 Blood Maws onto your pledge instead of 1, and I know the clock is ticking down...
(Paypal should have already gone through, just let me know if it didn't, etc)
Woot
My PM must not have gone thru. I got it. I was confused at first because I got the PayPal update on my phone and I was like....huh? Then I saw your PM! I'm going to put the order in tonight! Woot woot.
Bolognesus wrote: What in heavens' name do you need more than one of those for, rather than one of those, and one of the other magnificent monsters available at that price, if I might ask?
Well, I'll be thrilled if these rules take off, but for the interim I'd be using the model for warhammer fantasy... and you can run 2 of any rare monster, so I might want to run 2 (probably ghorgons for beastmen... if I can somehow cram them onto the base).
These would do best on GW's new 100mm x 150mm base, but unfortunately beastmen don't have any monsters on that newer huge base size. So, I'll see what I can do with them when I get them!
Bolognesus wrote: What in heavens' name do you need more than one of those for, rather than one of those, and one of the other magnificent monsters available at that price, if I might ask?
Well, I'll be thrilled if these rules take off, but for the interim I'd be using the model for warhammer fantasy... and you can run 2 of any rare monster, so I might want to run 2 (probably ghorgons for beastmen... if I can somehow cram them onto the base).
These would do best on GW's new 100mm x 150mm base, but unfortunately beastmen don't have any monsters on that newer huge base size. So, I'll see what I can do with them when I get them!
Ah, only dipping a toe or two in the water then? That works They'd do much better as proxies for that abominable new huge chaos thing, but if beastmen is what you've got, I'd suggest that, in my experience, most everything fits with sufficient amounts of vaseline, and a hammer
So will the savrar be the standard foot infantry for the khthones? I might have to end up with some snakes rather than Brythonaid whose dragons I prefer (but they're stuck with a bunch of puny humans).
I've got a pile of prepainted D&D and Pathfinder minis that I'm more than likely going to dump this week, which should net me quite a significant chunk of paypal fun.
I may have to lower my pledge to a nominal fee (since I won't be getting my paypal credit for a few days), but I hope to bump it back up once things are all said and done and surveys get sent out.
Still want to see some Liskar!
Does anybody have a finished/ built Hirakoth? The figure has been finished right? Or any size comparisons with the snakes that have already been released? Curious how they stack up size- wise. I know there were a few back in the banelegion days.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: So will the savrar be the standard foot infantry for the khthones? Does anybody have a finished/ built Hirakoth? The figure has been finished right? Or any size comparisons with the snakes that have already been released? Curious how they stack up size- wise. I know there were a few back in the banelegion days.
The Savrar are destined to be the human size foot troops for the Khthones
I've not seen any size comparison shots for any of the finished snakes (they havn't yet been shipped to us KS1 backers so you're dependant of people who bought independantly posting them)
but the Mierce site does have clear shots of several on 60mm bases
I think I'll need to get the Byzantii big encounter host. I also would really like either the Norse host, or maybe if I could scrape one together myself an Atlantes or Gorgones one. Plus the commanders. Plus the fantasy Scottish/Irish characters. I'm a sucker for their human models.
Yeah. Atlantes vs Byzantii vs Snake People... I could happily ignore the rest of the world and enjoy the Howard-esque goodness. And add the Albainn to be Cimmerians.
zedmeister wrote: Really looking forward to when the Atalantes appear. Really hope they do Hoplites or variations of...
Agreed, there's just so much potential for Greek-based designs, and Chariots of the Gods / Mysterious Cities of Gold style magic-tech. One other reference to a possible future faction that intrigues me is in the Vras descriptions on the website, where they mention the "Merovingians".
zedmeister wrote: Really looking forward to when the Atalantes appear. Really hope they do Hoplites or variations of...
Agreed, there's just so much potential for Greek-based designs, and Chariots of the Gods / Mysterious Cities of Gold style magic-tech. One other reference to a possible future faction that intrigues me is in the Vras descriptions on the website, where they mention the "Merovingians".
Indeed. Mierce also let slip that Khalkotauroi would feature in some form (google the term). And the Merovingian Franks will definitely feature as well. Not to mention Jutes, Saxons and Dál Riatans...
Heh, hop on the Kickstarter comments thread. We're a big happy family over there, too!
Love the new concept art from yesterday. Have to check finances again just to see how high I can go...
cincydooley wrote: Personally, I'm ready to drop a gigantic nut on the Eirann once they release. It's part of the reason I'm holding off on the Anglycnn.
I'd be surprised to see them in any force during 2014.
We're very proud to see that the funding for this project is well over £100,000 now, and that means we need to say "THANK YOU!" to each and every one of you. You're amazing!
But... we're not done yet. Let's get much further. Let's get all the infantry unlocked and get to the monstrous infantry!
Darklands, Uhtred and Nobles
Not only does this mean that ALL of the original noble stretch goals have been achieved, Generals to Commanders to Sorcerers to Monstrous Commanders, it also means that the "DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES" reward is now fulfilled. This reward is worth well over £1,200; yet you can grab it for just £700, around a 42% saving from recommended retail price, so it's a stunning deal!
We urge all of you to think about getting this set - it's a steal!
More Encounter and Skirmish Hosts
There will be more encounter and skirmish hosts, which you CAN add to "THE SWEET SPOT" reward once their contents are unlocked, unveiled over the next couple of days.
We're In Scale
A backer and good friend, Ryan Smith, has compiled a fantastic article on his website that shows off the scale of our miniatures against those from other manufacturers, ranging from humans to monstrous infantry to huge monsters taller than your house!
Here's a comparison of our humans:
...and our largest monstrous infantry, the Srónax:
So if you're wondering quite why our larger miniatures are so expensive, now you know!
DON'T WAIT TO PLEDGE - PLEDGE NOW!
It's a bit of a Kickstarter Conundrum, a Catch-22 if you will, but I'd like to say to all of you that are waiting for others to get the total higher to unlock something - don't wait! If everybody did that, wait for others to pledge, we'd never get anywhere.
So please, if you're waiting for something, just pledge for it now - it's far more likely that we'll get to that stretch goal if you do, and you can always decrease your pledge before the end if we don't look like getting to it.
What's Left to Pledge For?
There's still tons guys! We have infantry lined up for all of our kindreds, plus the odd monster or monstrous commander, right up to £170,000. After that we've monstrous infantry, too, which would be amazing to get to!
Unveiled
Here's the unveiled stretch goals that have not currently been met, of course:
£105,000 - Djiuzu, Dromedus Secundus - a camel-man for the Byzantii, 60mm base
£110,000 - Con I Modius, Legionary Contubernium - an eight-man unit of Byzantii Legionaries, 30mm bases
£115,000 - Praach, Braying Gabrox - a monster for the Fomoraic, 60mm base
£120,000 - Wolfborn, Gesíthas unit - a unit of hearthguard for the Angelcynn, 30mm bases
£125,000 - Broga, Wereofor Thegn - a huge boar-man for the Angelcynn, 60mm base
Yet to be Unveiled
There's plenty more yet to be unveiled too, between £125,000 and £170,000. This is what could be unveiled as stretch goals get knocked over:
Braying Gabrax, Gabrax unit - a unit of goat-men for the Fomoraic, 30mm bases; £30 for 5 warriors with command, £55 for 10 warriors with command, £30 for 5 warriors
(complete images yet to be unveiled)
Teulu unit - a unit of Teulu (pronounced "tail-ee"), hearthguard for the Brythoniaid, 30mm bases; £30 for 5 warriors with command, £55 for 10 warriors with command, £30 for 5 warriors
Gomagg, Giant - a huge, 160mm to the eye giant for the Albainn, 120mm base; £70 for all, rrp of £80 most likely
Gaimorlom unit - a unit of Gaimorlom, veteran spearmen, for the Albainn, 30mm bases; £30 for 5 warriors with command, £55 for 10 warriors with command, £30 for 5 warriors
(images yet to be unveiled)
Eikovra, Sávrar Banner Bearer - a host banner bearer for the Khthones, 30mm base; free to nobles pledgers, £10 to everyone else
Gorgórar unit - a unit of snake-women for the Khthones, 60mm bases; £75 for 5 warriors with command, £75 for 5 warriors
Seza, Blade-Abhorrent - a Blade-Abhorrent for the Ysians, 60mm base; free to nobles pledgers, £20 to those with Darklands & Uhtred, £25 for everyone else
(image yet to be unveiled)
Shadows of Carn Dinas, Knife-Drunes unit - a unit of knife-drunes, scouts, for the Ysians, 30mm bases; £30 for 5 warriors with champion, £55 for 10 warriors with champion, £30 for 5 warriors
(above is the champion of the unit; images of other warriors are yet to be unveiled)
Mälmord, Bergrisar - a mountain troll for the Norse, 60mm base; free to nobles pledgers, £20 to those with Darklands & Uhtred, £25 for everyone else
(image yet to be unveiled)
That list, however, is not in order of appearance in the stretch goals. There's four days left guys - let's get to the last of the infantry!
Monstrous Infantry
If we do get to the end of the infantry... well, here's something to get your teeth into:
He's a Mallax banner bearer for the Fomoraic... better get pledging people!
We're In Colour
Oh yes... and here's what you can expect in the rulebook...
cincydooley wrote: Personally, I'm ready to drop a gigantic nut on the Eirann once they release. It's part of the reason I'm holding off on the Anglycnn.
I'd be surprised to see them in any force during 2014.
I think you're underestimating the depths of cincy's obsession.
cincydooley wrote: Personally, I'm ready to drop a gigantic nut on the Eirann once they release. It's part of the reason I'm holding off on the Anglycnn.
I'd be surprised to see them in any force during 2014.
I think you're underestimating the depths of cincy's obsession.
Pretty much this. :-). I'm pretty confident I won't see them any time soon either. But a fella can hope. Between the Norse infantry coming already funded and the Tealu infantry from the Brythoniad, I can wait :-).
The Formaic keep reaching out to me, but their fluff reads a touch too evil for my tastes.
cincydooley wrote: Personally, I'm ready to drop a gigantic nut on the Eirann once they release. It's part of the reason I'm holding off on the Anglycnn.
I'd be surprised to see them in any force during 2014.
I think you're underestimating the depths of cincy's obsession.
Pretty much this. :-). I'm pretty confident I won't see them any time soon either. But a fella can hope. Between the Norse infantry coming already funded and the Tealu infantry from the Brythoniad, I can wait :-).
The Formaic keep reaching out to me, but their fluff reads a touch too evil for my tastes.
What keeps me from going in big on something like this, is just the cost per model on things like infantry... 30 pounds for 5 models works out to not much less than $10 per model . Or 10 pounds / $16 per model for special models... and once we get to commanders (yes, mounted) at 30 pounds per model, it's almost $50 apiece!
I think the quality is worth it, but I need to see that the game will be good (like Infinity, where I'll be willing to pay that kind of price per normal model) before I can go in models other than ones I can use for other systems, as well.
The monstrous infantry is a great example... I love it, but the price is so high, and I'm not sure if I could use them in other systems... so I'm left waiting to see if this game catches on.
Of course, I really appreciate those willing to pay to help it's creation... I've done that a number of times myself on kickstarter ... but I just can't justify doing that here from a cost-benefit standpoint.
Although, their adding this reward level was very nice, for those just looking for miniatures currently!
I Just Want some Cool Miniatures Reward
The "I JUST WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES" reward nets you a single miniature worth £10 from the "COMMANDERS", "FEMALE COMMANDERS" or "SORCERERS" stretch goals (your choice) and enables you to ignore the Darklands: First Edition rulebook and simply fund the miniatures themselves. You can increase your pledge for any further miniatures or even the rulebook should you wish, but by choosing this reward you will not gain access to any of the "freebies" given by any stretch goal.
RiTides wrote: What keeps me from going in big on something like this, is just the cost per model on things like infantry... 30 pounds for 5 models works out to not much less than $10 per model . Or 10 pounds / $16 per model for special models... and once we get to commanders (yes, mounted) at 30 pounds per model, it's almost $50 apiece!
I think the quality is worth it, but I need to see that the game will be good (like Infinity, where I'll be willing to pay that kind of price per normal model) before I can go in models other than ones I can use for other systems, as well.
The monstrous infantry is a great example... I love it, but the price is so high, and I'm not sure if I could use them in other systems... so I'm left waiting to see if this game catches on.
Of course, I really appreciate those willing to pay to help it's creation... I've done that a number of times myself on kickstarter ... but I just can't justify doing that here from a cost-benefit standpoint.
Although, their adding this reward level was very nice, for those just looking for miniatures currently!
I Just Want some Cool Miniatures Reward
The "I JUST WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES" reward nets you a single miniature worth £10 from the "COMMANDERS", "FEMALE COMMANDERS" or "SORCERERS" stretch goals (your choice) and enables you to ignore the Darklands: First Edition rulebook and simply fund the miniatures themselves. You can increase your pledge for any further miniatures or even the rulebook should you wish, but by choosing this reward you will not gain access to any of the "freebies" given by any stretch goal.
You will get some cool miniatures though!
Also, much like Infinity, you've got to look at the number of models needed to get a playable force.
While it isn't breaking any records for low budget entry, it seems you can have a starter size army, with a variety of types of model, for a reasonable amount, especially considering the average quality of even the most lowly grunt is extremely good.
Go on, go for a Sweet Spot pledge! Everything you need for what, $225 in your toy money?
I felt like that until recently; however, looking at army selection rules I don't think you need all that much infantry. One or two units of five each is all you need, and you'll have all-unique models, which at that level of quality isn't all that bad. Anyone who has any metal WHFB units has had it much, much worse than that IMO. after that, it's a handful of monstrous infantry, a commander or two and a big beastie and it seems you'd be playing mid-sized games already.
Have you watched the demo game? That, combined with the quickstart rules has me pretty much convinced the game will be a lot of fun to play. Maybe a bit more in the "push completely awesome models around a nice table" sense than, say, the tactical richness of infinity (which frankly, could force me to play with cardboard standies and it'd still be my favourite game at this point) but there's a place for that, and I must say even that straightforward demo, fixed camera, not really a great look at the minis either, really gave me a sense of an awesome fight being fought. That combined with the model quality will make for some pretty good times around a gaming table IMO.
Not to say that I think it can't be deeply tactical - haven't delved in that far and alternate unit activations generally helps keep you on your toes quite a bit. In the AUA department, I'm actually kind of sorry for the money I spent on malifaux stuff guessing M2E would be good - this seems easier to get into and would scratch a much more prominent itch for me
...You're right it has to catch on, though. However, for 'small' games to catch on in a group, it does take one player starting them Now get on it, haha
To be fair @what azrael13 just said though, Sweet spot would not be the be-all-end-all amount IMO. You'd need one of the infantry units, ruleswise, above 1000G (and you want to go a bit above that, I'd think) so sweet spot, an infantry unit (or monstrous if you went infantry starter, but that would get *more* expensive!) and a big beastie (which RiTides is already getting, so not an issue) and perhaps another hero would be all you'd need to do this thoroughly, I'd say
Fair 'nuff It's just so bloody close to being able to play a mid-sized game calling these buggers "starters", when compared to starters in some other games, is almost misleading.
(An infinity starter? Yeah, full-sized - 300pts - games, you'll be paying two or three times that again to have some variety, which is really needed. Malifaux? There seem to be starters which are almost complete, for a 'full-sized' forces but there's plenty of them which aren't half-way there, price-wise...)
I just took advantage of the final day of KS1 to buy another monstrous infantry troop, those dragon men, plus a couple of things for my Tarvax, so with these and KS2 I'll have three kindreds, though I won't be buying any monsters for the trolls and dragon people. Still there's a load of stuff I want but I've had to show some restraint. No Mallox, no Mjagnir, or blood maw, or giant eagle guy...I could go on.
RiTides wrote: What keeps me from going in big on something like this, is just the cost per model on things like infantry... 30 pounds for 5 models works out to not much less than $10 per model . Or 10 pounds / $16 per model for special models... and once we get to commanders (yes, mounted) at 30 pounds per model, it's almost $50 apiece!
I think the quality is worth it, but I need to see that the game will be good (like Infinity, where I'll be willing to pay that kind of price per normal model) before I can go in models other than ones I can use for other systems, as well.
The monstrous infantry is a great example... I love it, but the price is so high, and I'm not sure if I could use them in other systems... so I'm left waiting to see if this game catches on.
Of course, I really appreciate those willing to pay to help it's creation... I've done that a number of times myself on kickstarter ... but I just can't justify doing that here from a cost-benefit standpoint.
Yes the infantry price is too steep for me also. I don't play but I like to have a nice looking army, luckily the GW beasman battalion wasn't too expensive when that was released (I'm assuming, else I probably wouldn't have bought it). I dunno if anything similar can be done with the other kindreds, they're all fairly distinctive from what I remember, whereas Tarvax fit the archetype very well. I'm sure I'll buy some of the Mierce beastmen when they're availble, but not in multiples of 10.
Is the price of monstrous infantry really so high? I remember comparing Tarvax with minotaurs (at KS1 prices) and they seemed like an insane value option, for far superior models, not sure how the current prices compare though.
Actually yes they're quite expensive - 4 Mierce minotaurs, 1 standard, and a doombull is £108rrp, whereas at GW it's £87 for a doombull + 6 minotaurs. I'm not so keen on the GW ones though, the rest of their beastmen are great, as is the Ghorgon / Cygor, but the bulls don't really hit the spot for me.
Actually yes they're quite expensive - 4 Mierce minotaurs, 1 standard, and a doombull is £108rrp, whereas at GW it's £87 for a doombull + 6 minotaurs. I'm not so keen on the GW ones though, the rest of their beastmen are great, as is the Ghorgon / Cygor, but the bulls don't really hit the spot for me.
These ones are bigger as well than the GW ones from what I have seen. All depends on what you are using them for as well.
Thanks for the responses, guys . It's a testament to how fantastically Mierce has done that I went from completely not interested during the first campaign, to following it closely now.
I do think they might want to consider a cheaper form of the rules at some point- since we've been making a lot of Infinity comparisons (which is quite a compliment, I think )... lots of people seem to start playing just by using the rules PDF, and then get the hardback rulebook once they have decided they like the game.
Of course, with those of you already playtesting this maybe the exact same thing is going on here
Seriously, mammalian boobs on a reptile? Come on people - I know boobs are meant to sell everything but I am not away of a single reptile that nurses its young - especially reptiles with big ass frikking fangs,
fullheadofhair wrote: Seriously, mammalian boobs on a reptile? Come on people - I know boobs are meant to sell everything but I am not away of a single reptile that nurses its young - especially reptiles with big ass frikking fangs,
fullheadofhair wrote: Seriously, mammalian boobs on a reptile? Come on people - I know boobs are meant to sell everything but I am not away of a single reptile that nurses its young - especially reptiles with big ass frikking fangs,
fullheadofhair wrote: Seriously, mammalian boobs on a reptile? Come on people - I know boobs are meant to sell everything but I am not away of a single reptile that nurses its young - especially reptiles with big ass frikking fangs,
As the last 2 people have also said, this has been discussed in the thread before... take a look through and you'll see it makes sense (but understand if it's a reason to not get these).
I for one will not be getting any of the reptiles... I have no need for them and they are the ONLY thing I am not going gaga over. The rest... I need another job STAT!
RiTides wrote: It's a testament to how fantastically Mierce has done that I went from completely not interested during the first campaign, to following it closely now.
Same here. I skipped the first one, basically shrugging it off as 'nah, too expensive'. But as the updates from KS1 have been rolling out, I've been watching with an ever more intent gleam in my eyes (I think the first thing that really, seriously caught my attention was that frickin Hydra). Now I'm in for £300 based on concept art alone, which I would honestly never do in any other Kickstarter. I just feel really confident that these are going to turn out amazing, and in the unlikely event that I'm unhappy with how these translate from art to miniature, I could easily, so very easily, spend that money on KS1 stuff in their webstore instead.
One side of me really wants the Gabrax to make it in.
The other side fears for the old bank balance!
Update #20
Oct 14, 2013
Darklands Gameplay Video and Pledge Calculator
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Following on from yesterday's update and Friday's video, we forgot a couple of things! Namely, the Darklands Gameplay Video and Zedmeister's awesome Pledge Calculator, which you can use to keep track of your pledge.
Darklands Gameplay Video
Last week Tim and Rob played a battle of Darklands, a small one of around 750 gold, between the Ysians and the Fomoraic.
This video shows you a Darklands battle using the latest version of the QuickStarter Rules and illustrates many of the basic rules of the game, from movement to combat to sorcery, and as such we recommend that everybody watches it just to make sure they're playing rules correctly. There's a world of difference between reading rules to understand them and watching rules in play to understand them!
We decided to use miniatures that are professionally painted (which sadly isn't many) to showcase our miniatures better, which restricted us somewhat, so forgive us if both hosts are a little strange.
cincydooley wrote: I plan on forcing it on my group like I did infinty. And I'll be demoing it at the stores and at gencon. So I'm doing my part ;-)
Wait..what?
Spoiler:
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Wow.. Holy internet posturing Batman.
Strong words for a guy that was in behind others on the buy first time around.
Strong words for a guy that was shown Infinity 2+ years ago by someone.
Strong words for a guy that had to borrow someone's painted force to Demo at Gen Con 2013
If you want to play some Infinity with your newly painted force, just let me know. I still have my full boat of Combined from 5 years ago when my son was born
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cincydooley wrote: The gabrax concepts look great. They're going to be more human sized, correct?
Indeed. Like these fellas:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mierce are update happy today!
£130,000 Stretch Goal - Baagath's Herd
£105,000 has been and gone and that means Djiuzu, Dromedus Secundus is now yours to purchase should you wish to (and free to Nobles backers, of course)!
That also means we've another stretch goal for you to aim for. With a bit of upping and getting mates to pledge we should certainly get to £130,000 - so here's the long-awaited Gabrax infantry unit, all on 30mm bases, Baagath's Herd (and yes, we suggest you pronounce that with a sheep-like inflection)!
The Gabrax, of course, are the goat-men of the Fomoraic and both hairy and smelly to boot. Whilst their hygiene may be that of all wild creatures, their society rudimentary and their beliefs primitive, they nevertheless possess a savage cunning and find great joy in battle.
As it states on the graphic, you can purchase the Gabrax in three distinct forms.
a unit of five Gabrax with champion, banner bearer, herald and two warriors
a unit of ten Gabrax with champion, banner bearer, herald and seven warriors
five Gabrax warriors (a random mixture of the Gabrax named Ungaa and Rapraag) to add to the above two options
Just increase your pledge by the amount indicated to grab a Gabrax unit. Thus, if you're after a unit of twenty Gabrax , simply add £115 - £55 for 10x Gabrax and £60 for two sets of five warriors!
The maximum unit size of a Gabrax unit is 20. The minimum is 5. They will be Common units unless led by a Gabrax general, at which point they become Mainstay.
The Gabrax unit will feature as part of an encounter host and a skirmish host once they are unlocked.
cincydooley wrote: I plan on forcing it on my group like I did infinty. And I'll be demoing it at the stores and at gencon. So I'm doing my part ;-)
Wait..what?
[rant]
Wow.. Holy internet posturing Batman.
Strong words for a guy that was in behind others on the buy first time around.
blah blah blah
What does this have to do with anything?
I couldn't even understand what you were talking about.
Regardless.
Gabrax = be still my beating heart. I've been forced to use GW Beastmen as they're the current best on the market, but NOPE thanks Mierce for again one-upping everyone else!
Now I just hope they do more poses!!
I was moving away from Formoraic, but things just got dangerous, whether or not the Teula appear could make things interesting or expensive for me....(and I do have a house to barter)
Oct 14, 2013
More Unlockable Encounter Hosts!
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Hot on the heels of the Gesíthas and Gabrax, infantry units for the Angelcynn and Fomoraic respectively, are a couple more unlockable encounter hosts!
As it states on the graphic, these hosts really do depend upon the stretch goals being reached; but if you pledge for them now, it's much more likely that they'll be unlocked. That's the Kickstarter conundrum!
Please note that these, like the other unlockable encounter hosts, may be included within a "THE SWEET SPOT" reward.
There will of course be more Skirmish and Encounter Hosts when more infantry units become unlocked, so watch for more very soon...
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Hearthguard concept art, my wallet trembles
. Or 10 pounds / $16 per model for special models... and once we get to commanders (yes, mounted) at 30 pounds per model, it's almost $50 apiece!
