pretre wrote:
Spoilers, sweetie!

How old is that book again? People regularly reference the second one when the books come up, how is that "spoilers"?

Spoiled anyways.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Spoilers, sweetie!

How old is that book again? People regularly reference the second one when the books come up, how is that "spoilers"?

Spoiled anyways.

I just said I hadn't read the second two. :(

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.

I'm liking a lot of these changes.

That's some old fluff IIRC, and fairly "current" in terms of the 40k plot.

Besides, with how the Warp works she'll likely show up to kick heretic butt when the plot demands it.


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 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Spoilers, sweetie!

How old is that book again? People regularly reference the second one when the books come up, how is that "spoilers"?

Spoiled anyways.

I just said I hadn't read the second two. :(

Black Library prints the book on demand (that's where I got mine) so why haven't you yet!?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Black Library prints the book on demand (that's where I got mine) so why haven't you yet!?

I will probably have to at this point. Although I did add it to my trade wants.

I'm looking forward to this book. I do have a ton of actual sisters models I'm going to be offloading (for reasonable prices) as I have some ideas for a counts-as sisters force I want to build.

Either way, should be fun and it'll be good for their book to get at least a mild update.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Black Library prints the book on demand (that's where I got mine) so why haven't you yet!?

I will probably have to at this point. Although I did add it to my trade wants.

If you did then you wouldn't have to worry about spoilers from a book a decade old!

Maybe a bit off topic, but why would I want to pre-order a digital release? Is is less expensive as a pre-order or something? Seems odd to pre-order an item which has no production limit.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Maybe a bit off topic, but why would I want to pre-order a digital release? Is is less expensive as a pre-order or something? Seems odd to pre-order an item which has no production limit.

So you don't forget? To show GW you are excited for it? Just because? So you've already spent the money and don't forget to save it for later?

ClockworkZion wrote:

Dr Mathias wrote:Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.

That's some old fluff IIRC, and fairly "current" in terms of the 40k plot.
Besides, with how the Warp works she'll likely show up to kick heretic butt when the plot demands it.

13th Black Crusade
Lion El'Jonson, freshly released from the depths of The Rock, strides onto the battlefield, followed by a Dark Angels honour guard intent on confronting Abbadon.
Only to find him lying at the feet of a wrinkled old hag standing above the lifeless remains, clutching a power mace.

Not like that armless failure could put up much of a fight.

 Lynata wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

Dr Mathias wrote:Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.

That's some old fluff IIRC, and fairly "current" in terms of the 40k plot.
Besides, with how the Warp works she'll likely show up to kick heretic butt when the plot demands it.

13th Black Crusade
Lion El'Jonson, freshly released from the depths of The Rock, strides onto the battlefield, followed by a Dark Angels honour guard intent on confronting Abbadon.
Only to find him lying at the feet of a wrinkled old hag standing above the lifeless remains, clutching a power mace.

No, they find a greasy smear where his body was.

pretre wrote:No, the codex has a big change (5 girl troops).

Seems like what I would call an adjustment. I mean, the profile haven't changed the slightest bit, neither did the wargear, and the special rules… well, they have the same names. Down to the Act of Faith still being called Light of the Emperor.
But I hope I'm wrong.
Now that I took the bet, either way, I win .

ClockworkZion wrote:As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.

Well, the special rules listed just have the exact same name as the previous ones. I don't expect any extra ability except the +1 to the Act of Faith.

Dr Mathias wrote:Maybe a bit off topic, but why would I want to pre-order a digital release? Is is less expensive as a pre-order or something? Seems odd to pre-order an item which has no production limit.

Because impulse buy ! That way you won't get to wait to see if the rules are good before buying it !

A bonus to the AoF tests is what I mainly meant as an extra ability.

I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background that the 2nd edition Codex and this 144 pages (that is real DINA4 pages, not flimsy digital pages) 40k RPG book:


I will be the last to complain about a great Sororitas Codex, but I really don't expect it.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background that the 2nd edition Codex and this 144 pages (that is real DINA4 pages, not flimsy digital pages) 40k RPG book

As far as the Sororitas are concerned (no Dolan Chirosius, no general Ecclesiarchy, just Sororitas), I think the 6-pages Liber Sororitas (from WD 293 UK) contains more and better background than the 2nd edition Codex, and likely the 40k RPG book .
The Abbess, the non-Militant Ordo (including the very rarely mentioned Sabine), the Matriarchs of the Sisterhood (i.e. the six Sisters that went to have a chat with the Emperor), and a very slight taste of a difference between the major Ordos.
The 2nd edition dex was very good for general Ecclesiarchy though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background that the 2nd edition Codex and this 144 pages (that is real DINA4 pages, not flimsy digital pages) 40k RPG book:


I will be the last to complain about a great Sororitas Codex, but I really don't expect it.

Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Yeah. I'd rather it NOT be like that one.

So then, it seems that we more or less agree that the Battle Sister squad is improved, on the whole? A 5 woman minimum certainly opens up interesting possibilities, I'm sure of that.

I might get rebuked for being too optimistic, here, but if that's just our basic troops, then I'm very eager to see what's been done with the rest of our units.

 pretre wrote:
I wonder if this means we get rules for good ol' ES?

I doubt it, seems like something they'd make a model for. I guess she might get a fluff mention? Which is still pretty awesome, IMO.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me. I'm liking a lot of these changes.

Basically, their rules on the matter are "you can't have another one until we find out what happened to the old one".

Here, this article outlines everything we know:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Abbess_of_the_Adepta_Sororitas#.UlXH9BDwpXE

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Not like that armless failure could put up much of a fight.

Indeed. He wouldn't even be able to block her swings. :-/

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background

It's background that was originally meant for the WD codex, but wasn't out in due to the compact size of the WD codex. Therefore, we can expect the same sort fluff we got in the WD codex, and the fluff in the WD codex was good. They also said that "much" of the fluff was cut, so we can expect substantial additions, I'd say.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Yeah. I'd rather it NOT be like that one.

Agreed! Let's stick to the studio depiction of the Sororitas (unless it's Anias, Miriya or Stern being mentioned, which I'd be fine with).

"Can't have a new one till we find out what happened to the old one"
REALLY?
In the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis?
Who on earth (in-fluff) thought THAT was a good idea?


As for rules seen so far-anyone mind telling me what the old rules for the relics were (I am only familiar with WD sisters)

And is it just me, or is 10 point simulacrum pretty much re-balances faith all by itself by the mere fact it becomes MUCH more dependable? if you got a 20-sis squad, with the leader and the simulacrum in the rear, the success of the faith is pretty much assured until they take out the entire squad.

And that's before getting into whatever change the faith system itself had. (actually, its possible the simulacrum also changed...)

 BoomWolf wrote:
"Can't have a new one till we find out what happened to the old one"
REALLY?
In the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis?
Who on earth (in-fluff) thought THAT was a good idea?

We're talking about the High Lords of Terra here, they probably made that rule intentional just so if she does show back up somehow there aren't 2 of them sitting in on it. Plus without a Sororita sitting in on the council they don't have to worry about anyone being upset about all the warp dust they're doing.

 BoomWolf wrote:
As for rules seen so far-anyone mind telling me what the old rules for the relics were (I am only familiar with WD sisters)

The Litanies of Faith let the model with it auto-pass a faith test 1x per game, the Mantle let you only take 1 wound from any attack that caused instant death or multiple wounds and the Cloak gave you a 2+ armor save.

 BoomWolf wrote:
And is it just me, or is 10 point simulacrum pretty much re-balances faith all by itself by the mere fact it becomes MUCH more dependable? if you got a 20-sis squad, with the leader and the simulacrum in the rear, the success of the faith is pretty much assured until they take out the entire squad.

Only a little bit. We still need a reliable and scaling number of Faith Points.

 BoomWolf wrote:
REALLY?
In the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis?
Who on earth (in-fluff) thought THAT was a good idea?

Bad news : it's even worse for the Emperor, if he goes missing everything will be going crazy. Yes, it's happening “in the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis”. Seems like Terra and Ophelia don't go missing on a regular basis, for some reason.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Do you just mean that they gave Sisters' players a lot of Act of Faith-like effect, or actual psykers ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Do you just mean that they gave Sisters' players a lot of Act of Faith-like effect, or actual psykers ?

Instant Miracle dispensaries. Most characters must permanently lose a faith point to not die. A Sister SPENDS one (which can regenerate) and she can survive ANYTHING without wounds. Apparently all Sisters are secretly Celestine.

So, short version is “They have OP Acts of Faith”. I don't know about the fluff part, but I sure want that for the rules .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So, short version is “They have OP Acts of Faith”. I don't know about the fluff part, but I sure want that for the rules .

No, they have a full Miracle System. I mean, forget Acts of Faith, this stuff is all ACTUAL MIRACLES despite the Sisters not being Miraculous in most situations (outside of Living Saints and the incredibly rare real miracle).

Lynata also said something about them shooting lasers out of their eyes, IIRC.

Yeah, they quite clearly went in their own direction. I'd rather keep the all-badass feats of willpower, thanks.

Acts of Faith are not miracle ? Hum, yeah, I guess we could see it that way. Then it's just the perfect aiming of the Retributor that gives them Rending or something.
But still, the 6++ seems kind of miraculous. Especially on vehicles. It certainly isn't some kind of willpower from the vehicle's part, at the very least.

Actually, the rending could quite easily represent better shooting, granted by bouts of intense willpower.

Shield of Faith can also be explained as willpower. IRL soldiers have kept on after recieving more damage than they should have been able to handle.

Not quite sure how to explain the vehicles, but maybe somebody else can. All I know is that the studio fluff on Acts has always, basically, said that they aren't magical.

 Troike wrote:
Actually, the rending could quite easily represent better shooting, granted by bouts of intense willpower.

Shield of Faith can also be explained as willpower. IRL soldiers have kept on after recieving more damage than they should have been able to handle.

Not quite sure how to explain the vehicles, but maybe somebody else can. All I know is that the studio fluff on Acts has always, basically, said that they aren't magical.

The Shield of Faith is from the crew, much like Grey Knights vehicle psychic powers work. Despite whatever is going on they keep that thing moving no matter what.

 Troike wrote:
Shield of Faith can also be explained as willpower. IRL soldiers have kept on after recieving more damage than they should have been able to handle.

No, willpower would be Feel No Pain - something that lets you endure little attacks but not things that will blow your head off. Shield of Faith is the opposite - no improvement against attrition but lets you no-sell anti-tank weaponry.

Holy fething gak! I am a happy man today! This release is going to be boss. So which version can I buy to use with just my iphone, the ebook version or the ipad version? Damnit GW, just take my money already!

 Troike wrote:
Lynata also said something about them shooting lasers out of their eyes, IIRC.

Yeah, they quite clearly went in their own direction. I'd rather keep the all-badass feats of willpower, thanks.

Damn thats a bit dramatic.I have a copy of that book and its not really like that. Only the highest end faith talents are that dramatic in effect. The rest are awesome but fairly mild. They were no more magical than the Acts of Faith found in Codex Witch Hunters from which most of them took their names.

There is a talent called Miraculous Survival so that when the Sister burns fate Point to live they are Miraculously unharmed and indeed fully healed. Kind of like making a 6+invuln save and surviving a battle cannon blast. Those 'lasers' were holy light and yes it would a miracle, but that's very similar to daemonifuge where they burned. the daemon with their light. These are all things Sisters have done in the fluff but inside the game they are subject to GM discretion. The book even says so. The characters aren't supposed to be miracle dispensing machines like some people think.

Despite that andrewm9 they have actual rules for Miracles which they can use as long as they keep their corruption down (which isn't TOO hard for the Sisters unless the GM wants to gank them with a lot of things that force feed you corruption).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I always wonder why Sisters are the only army we never seem to be allowed to be optimistic about. Things have never been half as bad as the internet claims they will be and yet we can't show any positive signs.

To quote someone on /tg/:

With the new information released this pic just keeps getting better.

andrewm9 wrote:
Damn thats a bit dramatic.I have a copy of that book and its not really like that. Only the highest end faith talents are that dramatic in effect. The rest are awesome but fairly mild. They were no more magical than the Acts of Faith found in Codex Witch Hunters from which most of them took their names.

That's nice to hear. I would like to play Dark Heresy one of these days, and I'd enjoy it as long as the Sisters were mostly portrayed right.

andrewm9 wrote:
Those 'lasers' were holy light and yes it would a miracle, but that's very similar to daemonifuge where they burned. the daemon with their light.

Eh, but that's from BL. And correct me if I'm wrong (haven't actually read it), but wasn't that done by the Sisters in the Screaming Cage? They were under a rather special circumstance, to be fair.

 AlexHolker wrote:
No, willpower would be Feel No Pain - something that lets you endure little attacks but not things that will blow your head off. Shield of Faith is the opposite - no improvement against attrition but lets you no-sell anti-tank weaponry.

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

And, to be fair, we also have Yarrick being able to get up from nearly dying over and over again, and I don't think that's he's magical. Things can be a little over the top sometimes. Especially with one of the most over the top armies in the game.

And to pre-empt the WAAAGH psychic power counter-point, he can still do it if Orks aren't around, I think.

Is Yarrick ever away from orks ?
And so it seems Sister do have the same kind of magical belief power as orks .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Is Yarrick ever away from orks ?
And so it seems Sister do have the same kind of magical belief power as orks .

Guess it's time we start burning witches and heretics at the stake again.

 Troike wrote:

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

I assumed shield of faith was a miracle. As in, an ACTUAL miracle. You know, impossible.

You take a direct hit from a missle. You live. If that's not miraculous, what is?

Far as I can tell, Sisters' faith in general is supposed to be "Um... that's supposed to be impossible". Cause faith is supposed to be all mysterious and strange like that. There isn't supposed to be any science behind it. Not even warp-science like Tzeentch invulnerable save shenanigans. At least in that case you can assume Tzeentch did something wild and crazy for that invulnerable save, but the whole point of faith being faith is that it leaves everyone else scratching their heads saying "What the feth just happened?" while the sisters proclaim "The emperor protected me!"

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

I assumed shield of faith was a miracle. As in, an ACTUAL miracle. You know, impossible.

You take a direct hit from a missle. You live. If that's not miraculous, what is?

Far as I can tell, Sisters' faith in general is supposed to be "Um... that's supposed to be impossible". Cause faith is supposed to be all mysterious and strange like that. There isn't supposed to be any science behind it. Not even warp-science like Tzeentch invulnerable save shenanigans. At least in that case you can assume Tzeentch did something wild and crazy for that invulnerable save, but the whole point of faith being faith is that it leaves everyone else scratching their heads saying "What the feth just happened?" while the sisters proclaim "The emperor protected me!"

While I agree with what you saying, wouldn't "The Emperor protected me!" be the same as Tzeentch helping the invulnerable save? The Emperor does project his power out to guide ships and what not, right? So why couldn't some serious chanting and prayer call his projected psychic power down to stop a lascannon bean?

Im not sure if anyone else has brought this up but has anyone heard anything about the sisters getting a flyer???

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

I assumed shield of faith was a miracle. As in, an ACTUAL miracle. You know, impossible.

You take a direct hit from a missle. You live. If that's not miraculous, what is?

Far as I can tell, Sisters' faith in general is supposed to be "Um... that's supposed to be impossible". Cause faith is supposed to be all mysterious and strange like that. There isn't supposed to be any science behind it. Not even warp-science like Tzeentch invulnerable save shenanigans. At least in that case you can assume Tzeentch did something wild and crazy for that invulnerable save, but the whole point of faith being faith is that it leaves everyone else scratching their heads saying "What the feth just happened?" while the sisters proclaim "The emperor protected me!"

Here's the fluff from the WD Codex:



It's more of "just a flesh wound" or the Sister pushing on despite the injury, firmly believing that the Emperor will allow her to live through the day regardless. Arm blown off? Suck it it up, tie it off and get back in the fight because the Emperor will see you through.

bigboss1o1 wrote:Im not sure if anyone else has brought this up but has anyone heard anything about the sisters getting a flyer???

Unless GW decides to drop the Avenger Strike Fighter in there it'll likely be ally and FW only methods of getting an aircraft, but you never know.

Either way, no rumors yet.

Lets hope the priests' get a point drop. I'd settle for 20-30 points each. But 45 points is just insane. It troubles me that some of the best 40k models ever are so point restrictive.

I realize this is wish listing, but I have one each of them, and I'd really like to include them in the Army, without feeling like an idiot for doing so.




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Also, does anyone have a release date? Next Friday, right?

Looks like the troops page was from a full codex..page 75.

Wonder if the digital codex we get will be 75+ pages or just the pages for models that have already been released.

I still believe the codex was complete but the models were not, and due to chapterhouse situation, they did not release the full codex. They left out the new units with no models.

I think I will go on a spending spree after this hits on Saturday.

 Inquisitor_Dunn wrote:
Looks like the troops page was from a full codex..page 75.

Wonder if the digital codex we get will be 75+ pages or just the pages for models that have already been released.

Actually, if you look at the page for Purge Squadron, it's on page 109. So at the moment we're at 109+ pages.

Digital pages.

Lots of really good news here - especially given negative statements by some people on the forum that the Sisters would never get anything ever again

Will be pre-ordering on Saturday

 Shandara wrote:
Digital pages.

Does anyone know how many "digital pages" the recent Space Marine Codex was as that might help in working out the content.

I really like the flexibility of 5-woman units for small games - very nice! But isn't 2 specials per unit making dominions and celestians rather redundant? Not that celestians needed much help - I'd love it if they stopped hitting celestians with the big nerf-stick!

Uhhhh I look forward to all this

 troy_tempest wrote:
I really like the flexibility of 5-woman units for small games - very nice! But isn't 2 specials per unit making dominions and celestians rather redundant?

Dominions should still have a place. They still have scouting and a better shooting AoF over the regular squads, so they're still the best infantry for tank killing.

As for Celestians, I'm hoping that they've gotten some sort of tweak that makes them useful anyway, in light of what was done to our troops (which was certainly more than we were expecting).

 Mr Morden wrote:


Does anyone know how many "digital pages" the recent Space Marine Codex was as that might help in working out the content.

It is 472 at the last count,but that's unusual for the digital dexes. Chaos Marines was 184.

troy_tempest wrote:But isn't 2 specials per unit making dominions and celestians rather redundant?

Celestians were useless and hopeless before. Maybe they fixed that, maybe they didn't. As for dominions, well, Scout is awesome and 4 flame thrower + a combi + twinlinked is just awesome to clear out an objective from enemy troop when you carefully placed most of them as close from the border of the table as possible .

Celestians need clear role to distinguish them from Dominions and normale BSS, really.

Given their Act of Faith and a Cannoness' Act they should've gone for close-combat.

andrewm9 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Does anyone know how many "digital pages" the recent Space Marine Codex was as that might help in working out the content.

It is 472 at the last count,but that's unusual for the digital dexes. Chaos Marines was 184.

Rights thats helpful - thanks - so a "normal" codex was about 184 pages and Sororitas is going to be at least 109 - so thats not bad (except its likely to be £30 I guess but would rather it was this way round)

Hmm looks like I need alot more Special and Heavy weapons Sisters!!

 Mr Morden wrote:


Rights thats helpful - thanks - so a "normal" codex was about 184 pages and Sororitas is going to be at least 109 - so thats not bad (except its likely to be £30 I guess but would rather it was this way round)

Hmm looks like I need alot more Special and Heavy weapons Sisters!!

Even with what I said, we have to realize probably 20+ pages of that will be the Altar of War missions assuming the other Altars of War books are anything to go by.

My deal with sisters, is i liked the old book much better than the new White dwarf...I dont need to use 6 faith powers a turn...6 a game is plenty, plus the 2 free pops you got from taking 2 canonesses and the appropriate war gear...

that book in 6th would be extremely powerful...especially with troops being the order of the day...5 20 man sister squads, flamer tanks, and ap1 missiles...

with the ability to hit tanks much easier...evisorators would open up tanks pretty easily...

taking away divine guidance from my 20 man sister squads neuters them...

taking away 3++ by popping my free power neuters them...there was nothing better than a 5 man squad of power weapons (or banshees) charging a 20 man sister squad thinking route, pop my free power, boom 3++, and then 20 sisters smack people with devine power weapons and 2 evisorators (canoness and sister superior)...

honestly, the old book needed a points reduction and that was it...

I find the current Sisters good fun to play and effective for the most part.

I like the 6++ and the Faith Points system - if, as appears likely they are sorting the scaling issue with it - thats excellent.

Even if, as seems equally likely, St Celestine goes up in price - well the other tweeks appear to be positive (5 woman squads with 2 special/heavy weapons, minor reductions to things like the banner, bit more flexibility in transports and how you build the squad)

Given that the early part of the year various people were certain the Sisters were being squatted or at best ignored - its a very positive move in the right direction. If sales of the digital codex are good then perhaps there will be more positive news!

I disagree Havik, mostly because I recall not only only using half the the Faith abilities (at most) but that the internet was advocating the use of only half of them as well.

We were growing stale and boring and the current Faith system tried to at least shake it up a bit and did okay doing so.

Havik110 wrote:


especially with troops being the order of the day...5 20 man sister squads, flamer tanks, and ap1 missiles...

taking away divine guidance from my 20 man sister squads neuters them

here was nothing better than a 5 man squad of power weapons (or banshees) charging a 20 man sister squad

I thought this was funny

However, I do agree that the old C:WH was a nice list this is what we get today is good too. We just work with what we have and what we do have isn't really bad at all.

I'm excited that that we are starting to get some attention finally. Besides, they could have just reprinted the WD list 100% with no changes and charged us $30 for it. I'm really stoked to see all of the changes when this is released

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It's more of "just a flesh wound" or the Sister pushing on despite the injury, firmly believing that the Emperor will allow her to live through the day regardless. Arm blown off? Suck it it up, tie it off and get back in the fight because the Emperor will see you through.

Hmm, the problem with that description is that it kinda seems more like a Feel No Pain thing than what Shield of Faith actually does on the table top. The mechanics of the thing work more like... well, an invuln save, which in regards to Tzeentch is pointed out that it does really really silly things. Things I imagine like have you survive being hit directly by a nuclear missile (well, one that doesn't ignore invulnerability saves, at least).

....there's a reason why faith isn't supposed to be "realistically explained" like that description gives it. At least the way it works on the tabletop for the shield, it's very unrealistic, and IMHO it's supposed to be. The description seems to state otherwise so I could be wrong, I suppose.

While I agree with what you saying, wouldn't "The Emperor protected me!" be the same as Tzeentch helping the invulnerable save? The Emperor does project his power out to guide ships and what not, right? So why couldn't some serious chanting and prayer call his projected psychic power down to stop a lascannon bean?

The main difference is that Tzeentch consciously manipulates fate in a calculated way to do it while we have no idea (...or well, we aren't supposed to have any idea, since that's part of the definition of faith, I feel. Again, that official description gives us a huge idea of how it works. ) how the Emperor pulls it off for the sisters. Maybe the Emperor is closely watching over them and manipulates the strands of faith just like Tzeentch does. I like to think of it as something more grand and mysterious, though.

Well, there was that story about Tzeentch and the Emperor playing chess...

TiamatRoar wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It's more of "just a flesh wound" or the Sister pushing on despite the injury, firmly believing that the Emperor will allow her to live through the day regardless. Arm blown off? Suck it it up, tie it off and get back in the fight because the Emperor will see you through.

Hmm, the problem with that description is that it kinda seems more like a Feel No Pain thing than what Shield of Faith actually does on the table top. The mechanics of the thing work more like... well, an invuln save, which in regards to Tzeentch is pointed out that it does really really silly things like have you survive being hit directly by a nuclear missile (well, one that doesn't ignore invulnerability saves, at least).

....there's a reason why faith isn't supposed to be "realistically explained" like that description gives it. At least the way it works on the tabletop for the shield, it's very unrealistic, and IMHO it's supposed to be. The description seems to state otherwise so I could be wrong, I suppose.

While I agree with what you saying, wouldn't "The Emperor protected me!" be the same as Tzeentch helping the invulnerable save? The Emperor does project his power out to guide ships and what not, right? So why couldn't some serious chanting and prayer call his projected psychic power down to stop a lascannon bean?

The main difference is that Tzeentch consciously manipulates fate in a calculated way to do it while we have no idea (...or well, we aren't supposed to have any idea, since that's part of the definition of faith, I feel. Again, that official description gives us a huge idea of how it works. ) how the Emperor pulls it off for the sisters. Maybe the Emperor is closely watching over them and manipulates the strands of faith just like Tzeentch does. I like to think of it as something more grand and mysterious, though.

I look at it this way, most people can ignore pain to a given level (this would be your pain thresold), some can even have an unnaturally high pain threshold (Feel no Pain in action) but only Sisters take it to such an extreme that they'll take a hit and keep going as if nothing happened.

Or you can chalk it up to supernatural levels of luck if you like.

I guess one could tally up a list of things that ignore Feel No Pain and imagine what effects it'd have on a sister hit by it and surviving. ...poor sister.

Oh, right. Shield of Faith also works with the sisters' TANKS. That doesn't seem like it'd fit in with that official description at all.

I always got the impression that the acts of faith and the shield of faith were kind of like the most devote believers of the emperor being able to tap into a minute portion of his immense psychic might, and thus get some strength or protection from it. Literally the emperor protects, if you believe strongly enough.

The 'nature' of the Sister's special abilities has always had a bit of comic-book-style "writer-dependant-canon" involved. I tend to gravitate to them being so faithful that they either pull of amazing tricks,w ith the top end being the Emperor possibly helping out... Which fits into the general 40k Is Crazy paradigm, in that it's impressive that the Sisters get Close Personal Friend favors from the Emperor, and the Space Marines don't (although they get ATSKNF and other bennies).

I like that the setting has some ugly conflicts like this that intentionally aren't explained... The idea that there's a 'new' military force in the Imperium (only 4-6,000 years old, right? Practically infants!) that has a closer connection to the Emperor than his super-soldier almost-grandchildren who go fight things in his name perfectly fits the feelings of despair and paranoia that make up the setting.

But that's just me, and what do I know?

TiamatRoar wrote:
I guess one could tally up a list of things that ignore Feel No Pain and imagine what effects it'd have on a sister hit by it and surviving. ...poor sister.

Oh, right. Shield of Faith also works with the sisters' TANKS. That doesn't seem like it'd fit in with that official description at all.

The tanks have crews. Are you saying the crew can't be hurt?

Also I expect the Sisters push their equipment harder than most others do. I imagine them driving a Rhino that's missing half the front armor and is on fire into the thick of battle because of FAITH and ZEAL.

Well, faith by nature is supposed to be ambiguous. My issue with that official description is that it seems to miss that point, going into way too much detail for something that's supposed to have the explanation up in the air (...far as I can tell). And again, it doesn't quite match what happens on the tabletop since it works for tanks (far as I can tell).


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 ClockworkZion wrote:

The tanks have crews. Are you saying the crew can't be hurt?

Doesn't it protect from hull point damage, etc? That has nothing to directly do with the crew. The crew's physical health only comes into being when taking into account secondary effects like "Crew Shaken", etc.

TiamatRoar wrote:
Well, faith by nature is supposed to be ambiguous. My issue with that official description is that it seems to miss that point, going into way too much detail for something that's supposed to have the explanation up in the air (...far as I can tell). And again, it doesn't quite match what happens on the tabletop since it works for tanks (far as I can tell).

Tabletop is also an abstraction of the fluff. Don't stress it so much.

Also see my amended post.

I like the idea that they are (mostly) parasitically tapping into the Emperors psychic power spill over as he's not quite alive/not quite dead and stuck in the golden throne

Their very thought patterns shaped by the repetition of prayer and devotion come to mirror parts of those of the emperor mind which it how it works (sisters that get the fit better than others tend to survive longer and so shape what future sisters do through their eample, the exact rhythm of the prayer, the timing of the rituals before battle etc)

A few may actually make closer contact with the emperors conscious/subconscious probably through their own natural talents and those (if he deems them suitable for his purposes) become the living saints

If he was fully alive/aware the sisters would probably find their acts of faith no longer worked

You know... The subject of how faith works would be a great topic for a separate thread in the 40k background sub-forum.

Hull points could well be considered to be partially to do with the crew, like them bailing out of the horribly mangled but still technically functional bullet magnet APC with holes all through it.

But Sisters keep driving the thing, while it's on fire, because they're JUST THAT MENTAL.

They're almost orks, in that way.

 Shandara wrote:
They're almost orks, in that way.

Except they dress better and their stuff doesn't fall apart if you remove large bolt from it.

Graphite wrote:
Hull points could well be considered to be partially to do with the crew, like them bailing out of the horribly mangled but still technically functional bullet magnet APC with holes all through it.

But Sisters keep driving the thing, while it's on fire, because they're JUST THAT METAL.

Fixed that for you

Here's hoping that they release more sneak peeks on Friday!

 Balance wrote:
The 'nature' of the Sister's special abilities has always had a bit of comic-book-style "writer-dependant-canon" involved.

Apologies for carrying this on (I'll only make this one point, promise) but studio fluff has consistently leaned towards it being a matter of belief rather than magic. It's the third-party contributors who usually take it into the "holy magic" route.

 AdeptSister wrote:

Graphite wrote:
Hull points could well be considered to be partially to do with the crew, like them bailing out of the horribly mangled but still technically functional bullet magnet APC with holes all through it.

But Sisters keep driving the thing, while it's on fire, because they're JUST THAT METAL.

Fixed that for you

Exactly! That's been my point the whole time!

 AdeptSister wrote:
Here's hoping that they release more sneak peeks on Friday!

Friday nothing! I want more sneak peeks today!

Well Technically it's been Friday here for 3 hours they didn't say Friday where gimme stuff to drool over GW

 marcus.iscariat wrote:
Well Technically it's been Friday here for 3 hours they didn't say Friday where gimme stuff to drool over GW

It's only about a quarter-to-6 pm on Thursday in the UK right now (when I posted this) if I remember the time difference from me correctly.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 marcus.iscariat wrote:
Well Technically it's been Friday here for 3 hours they didn't say Friday where gimme stuff to drool over GW

It's only about a quarter-to-6 pm on Thursday in the UK right now (when I posted this) if I remember the time difference from me correctly.

Yup, pretty much bang on.

Man the 19th cant come quick enough. I wonder what's in store for the Seraphim, one of my personal favourite units.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Man the 19th cant come quick enough. I wonder what's in store for the Seraphim, one of my personal favourite units.

D

I'm guessing not much other than the ability to buy wargear for the superior. They are pretty well costed right now.

The big thing for them is if they give us jump packs back for canoness (i'm giving it about a 60% chance right now). In which case, the Celestine/Canoness/Seraphim unit will be very nice.

The canoness faith act is actually really good in that unit. (+1 Init and Preferred Enemy in assault). Allows for reroll wounds from Seraph in the shooting, then charge at Init 4 and actually hit/wound some stuff. Throw in Celestine with Preferred enemy and the Canoness with Evis and PE and you have a choppy unit.

Yeah a JP for the canonnes would be nice, my jp canoness has been gathering alot of dust these few years.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Yeah a JP for the canonnes would be nice, my jp canoness has been gathering alot of dust these few years.

D

I've just been using her as a Seraphim superior.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background that the 2nd edition Codex and this 144 pages (that is real DINA4 pages, not flimsy digital pages) 40k RPG book:


I will be the last to complain about a great Sororitas Codex, but I really don't expect it.

Oh god, don't remind me of that trainwreck.

It was neat, but it had so many bad ideas, horrible internal balance, just plain weird or convoluted rules, and contradicted so much lore.

I had fun with it. But I wouldn't use it as a background source except MAYBe piecemeal.

Dang it GW, you had ONE JOB to do today: give us more Sisters teasers!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dang it GW, you had ONE JOB to do today: give us more Sisters teasers!

Now now, all things considered, I think they've been more than generous with us these past days. Frankly, I'm surprised they were allowed to show us as much as they have.

But hey, an actual preview is imminent, so I'm not bothered. Just another night's sleep and another day at college until I can download it, myself.

Oh I know, but they slipped us some Sentinels of Terra stuff instead and I was so hoping for more Sisters stuff. Like some of that new art they keep talking about.

Oh well. A day and a wake up.

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dang it GW, you had ONE JOB to do today: give us more Sisters teasers!

Now now, all things considered, I think they've been more than generous with us these past days. Frankly, I'm surprised they were allowed to show us as much as they have.

But hey, an actual preview is imminent, so I'm not bothered. Just another night's sleep and another day at college until I can download it, myself.

I thought it was order on Saturday, download in a weeks time?

Oh gak, you're right, preorder+preview is on Saturday. The 12th. My mistake.

Obviously my excitement clouded my perception of time.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dang it GW, you had ONE JOB to do today: give us more Sisters teasers!

Now now, all things considered, I think they've been more than generous with us these past days. Frankly, I'm surprised they were allowed to show us as much as they have.

But hey, an actual preview is imminent, so I'm not bothered. Just another night's sleep and another day at college until I can download it, myself.

I thought it was order on Saturday, download in a weeks time?

The full codex yes, but previews come out the same day as the pre-order.

 pretre wrote:
You know... The subject of how faith works would be a great topic for a separate thread in the 40k background sub-forum.

Damn, I was just going to say Midichlorians.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A few may actually make closer contact with the emperors conscious/subconscious probably through their own natural talents and those (if he deems them suitable for his purposes) become the living saints

This would make a nice fluffy mechanic actually: Each unit get it's own 'Faithful' value, that affects shield of faith and also acts of faith.

ex. Battle sisters get [Faithful 6] meaning they get a 6++ save and no inherent modifier to their acts of faith. whereas say, Seraphim get [Faithful 5] 5++save and +1 to AoF, Celestians (and HQ's) get [Faithful 4] 4++ save and +2 to AoF, etc.... I'm sure that could be written out better :S

Would be a nice way to power up certain units and tie the mechanics of the army together.

If they just slap a warlord table onto the wd codex there is no real reason to buy the book.

I'm going to speculate that the book will have minor alterations in multiple units with some minor point tweaks. That's all it would take to invaladate the wd codex.

Except we already have proof of warlord traits, unit changes, points tweaks, new fluff, new artwork, apoc formations and missions. Oh and the designer said changes to faith. So we already know it is more than 'slapping a warlord table onto the WD dex'.


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Oh and new relics/wargear.

Not trying to derail but that picture of the Blood Angel Codex has me interested. Is it new rules or just a reprint? Same cover art makes me think just a reprint. There is not even a mention of Warlord Traits or anything. I'd really love for my DoA army to be at least playable in 6th... I looked for another thread about the BA Codex but find nothing?

 BladeWalker wrote:
Not trying to derail but that picture of the Blood Angel Codex has me interested. Is it new rules or just a reprint? Same cover art makes me think just a reprint. There is not even a mention of Warlord Traits or anything. I'd really love for my DoA army to be at least playable in 6th... I looked for another thread about the BA Codex but find nothing?

I've actually been wondering this too. Wouldn't it be amazing if they did an update to it similar to the rumors of the SoB Codex? I'd be really, really surprised if they did though.

 J.Black wrote:

This would make a nice fluffy mechanic actually: Each unit get it's own 'Faithful' value, that affects shield of faith and also acts of faith.

ex. Battle sisters get [Faithful 6] meaning they get a 6++ save and no inherent modifier to their acts of faith. whereas say, Seraphim get [Faithful 5] 5++save and +1 to AoF, Celestians (and HQ's) get [Faithful 4] 4++ save and +2 to AoF, etc.... I'm sure that could be written out better :S

Would be a nice way to power up certain units and tie the mechanics of the army together.

Argh, even I think that's too complex, and people smacking upside the head and telling me to streamline my homebrew rules....

 Dinamarth wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:
Not trying to derail but that picture of the Blood Angel Codex has me interested. Is it new rules or just a reprint? Same cover art makes me think just a reprint. There is not even a mention of Warlord Traits or anything. I'd really love for my DoA army to be at least playable in 6th... I looked for another thread about the BA Codex but find nothing?

I've actually been wondering this too. Wouldn't it be amazing if they did an update to it similar to the rumors of the SoB Codex? I'd be really, really surprised if they did though.

It would be a bad idea. Updating the SoB codes invalidates a WD Dex that saw more limited release and is no longer available. Updating the BA dex would also require a FAQ to make the printed BA dex, which is still functional and for sale everywhere, to match.

 SisterSydney wrote:

 J.Black wrote:

This would make a nice fluffy mechanic actually: Each unit get it's own 'Faithful' value, that affects shield of faith and also acts of faith.

ex. Battle sisters get [Faithful 6] meaning they get a 6++ save and no inherent modifier to their acts of faith. whereas say, Seraphim get [Faithful 5] 5++save and +1 to AoF, Celestians (and HQ's) get [Faithful 4] 4++ save and +2 to AoF, etc.... I'm sure that could be written out better :S

Would be a nice way to power up certain units and tie the mechanics of the army together.

Argh, even I think that's too complex, and people smacking upside the head and telling me to streamline my homebrew rules....

Here... Keep SoF as is, but give a +1 for each level of Faithful

 schadenfreude wrote:
If they just slap a warlord table onto the wd codex there is no real reason to buy the book.

I'm going to speculate that the book will have minor alterations in multiple units with some minor point tweaks. That's all it would take to invaladate the wd codex.

Even if the above were true (which its not - have a read through the thread here and the posts on the BL etc pages) it would at least be available to all those who have not legally been able to obtain a Codex previously. The desirability would depend on the price but many people would and will have a reason to buy the book. Lets face it Iyanden had very little rules but still sold well enough to get a hardback release............

Now we are certain that there is more to it - new Wargear (relics), Warlord Traits, point changes, scaling on Faith, unit composition and flixbility - being able to field Sisters in squads of 5 is pretty big, images (like the Front Cover), fluff, Apoc formations, missions, - we know there is at least 109 digital pages of stuff.

Still no new units, though.

(Which is why you need people like me! People propelled by a mixture of creativity, pathological narcissism, and mild OCD!)

In case people were wondering:

Lovely cover. I hope the miniatures shall also receive the love they deserve.

 Squidbot wrote:
In case people were wondering:

*excitement intensifies*

Good thing I'm not the sort to go to bed early.

 Squidbot wrote:
In case people were wondering:

That's 7 pm EST or 4pm PST for anyone who is wondering.

Has anyone seen the price of the Sisters Codex yet ?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Has anyone seen the price of the Sisters Codex yet ?

Nope! GW: Digital Editions hasn't posted it so we won't see it until the pre-order hits.

Can anyone answer me in what is the value in preordering a downloadable item? I get it for physical items and I understand why GW would prefer it. But what does this do for us... the lowly GW customer?

I've been curious about that exact question Green, why do a 'pre-order'? Do they think that there will be a chance they'll run out of electrons?

war wrote:
I've been curious about that exact question Green, why do a 'pre-order'? Do they think that there will be a chance they'll run out of electrons?

Because they can?

Does it change anything for you personally? only when the money is taken out of your account... I tend to preorder things because i have the money ready (in the case of digitals i have either the itunes money or whatnot at he time, before the wife buys some other book and makes me go to the store to get another itunes card)

No. It doesn't really change anything. I would just tend to buy it when it was released so I don't have to worry about finding the email, or download code, etc.

I am just struggling to find the value in it.

But I am forgetting the prime directive from GW: OBEY!

I thought the prime directive was "thou shalt not complain about price hikes"?

 Still Standing wrote:
I thought the prime directive was "thou shalt not complain about price hikes"?

I thought it was "Thou shall not ask about the Squats."

war wrote:
I've been curious about that exact question Green, why do a 'pre-order'? Do they think that there will be a chance they'll run out of electrons?

With digital items it's generally so they can control the releases a bit better(they can release via regions or all at once)--plus it gives an idea as to exactly how much interest there is for something before it actually comes out.

GW has fixed all the profiles it seems. No more 3rd ed stats on all the pages.

Might be a silly question,but as I have never bought an ebook(actually like reading real books) and do not have a fancy phone,,,what program or version should I buy to use on my laptop and what program would I need to read it on said laptop?

Gomericus wrote:
Might be a silly question,but as I have never bought an ebook(actually like reading real books) and do not have a fancy phone,,,what program or version should I buy to use on my laptop and what program would I need to read it on said laptop?

According to GW: Digital Edition any ebook reader and the BL ebook version is all you need.

It's up for preorder!

Price is £19.99, by the way.

A surprising bargain by GW standards

I was expecting £30

Where is it up for pre-order as I can't find it?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html

 Still Standing wrote:
Where is it up for pre-order as I can't find it?

Ooops, looks like they took it down again. I guess they jumped the gun, since it's not midnight yet. But luckily, I was fast and preordered it anyway.

It went up over here, by the way. It should be back at midnight.

Edit: oh, I'm seeing it again. Dammit, make up your minds!

Noticed it too the link suddenly stopped to working. Maybe a hickup.

Ah, I found it, thanks. Well pre-ordered, I hope it's worth it!

It says we get three Alter of War missions, so yeah, probably just those White Dwarf ones.

Also, where's that preview the Facebook page mentioned? Were they just referring to those images on the eBook's page?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html

Woah, that's quite a change from the usual depiction of the Sisters. The most obvious thing being the new “helmet” .
First sister I see with a full bionic arm though.
A hint at what to expect if they do new plastic model ? But then why does it look nothing like the cover of the very same book ?

$32.99 american, not bad.


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Anyone know if the Daemonifuge print on demand is all of them? I already have the first one. Thinking of getting it while I'm here.

Is that Dark Heresy art, though? It looks like Dark Heresy art.


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@pretre
It says it's the complete series, so yes.

 Troike wrote:
@pretre
It says it's the complete series, so yes.

Okay, because I have this one already and I want the other two:

More juicy screenshots!

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/codex-adepta-sororitas/id724618573?ls=1

It says that you can download a sample from iTunes, but I can't seem to do it from my computer.

The Rosarius on the Canoness is now 15 points, by the way. The Canoness herself remains the same point cost. I'm also seeing an all-new special rule called Martyrdom. Something to do with the adjusted Faith system?

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110 pages on iTunes vs 448 for C:SM

Still no way to take a Jump Pack canoness. That was the only thing I wanted from this book... Is that too much to ask?

Martyrdom better be extremely powerful, or the Canoness will be as bad as before. Which means either still Saint Celestine all the time, or if they nerfed Saint Celestine, that we are going to loose a lot.
Also, still no jetpack available. And no artificier armor either, though maybe a 2+ via the cloak.


Well, at least it's going to be easy to trigger that martyrdom !

Martyrdom probably means we went back to the way we got faith points in C:WH. Set number for the game plus X for every time someone with Martyrdom dies.

 pretre wrote:
$32.99 american, not bad.


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Anyone know if the Daemonifuge print on demand is all of them? I already have the first one. Thinking of getting it while I'm here.

Yes, it's the complete thing. I own it and it's complete.

Appreciated, MCC. I will definitely pick it up then.


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It's wishlisty, but it would be great if there was a relic like the Laughing God thing for Eldar that let you turn a Canoness into a living saint. So it would allow 'Make your own' saints.

 pretre wrote:
Martyrdom probably means we went back to the way we got faith points in C:WH. Set number for the game plus X for every time someone with Martyrdom dies.

Well, since the basic Sisters don't have it, it means it's going to be very hard to get some faith point back, then. And given how the effect of the act of faith don't seem to have changed (same name on everything that's been reveled), that would be very very weak. I rather think some armywide bonus when the canoness dies. Like everyone get hatred (lol useless) or rage.
My bet is on hatred for obvious reasons.

We have one-click collections!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws//home.jsp?_requestid=2310696


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Also, they're offering the Blanche cover, signed by the man himself, in the "Daughters of the Emperor" one-click collection.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1190001a&prodId=prod2270004a

Think I'll pass them up on that, myself.

 Troike wrote:
Think I'll pass them up on that, myself.

Come on, you'll get 3 sisters with storm bolter. Isn't that awesome ? And some Retributor squad perfect for the Apocalypse formation, with one of each possible heavy weapon !

10 Sisters, $80 dollars....ouch.

Very interesting description of the Celestians :

Celestians are the finest and noblest warriors of their Order - inspirational figures whose refusal to yield, even in the direst of situations, is legendary. The presence of such warriors does much to bolster the fighting spirit of nearby troops, and as such, the Orders Militant allow these distinguished veterans to bear devotional markings.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat660006a&prodId=prod2270010a
Seems like they finally switched the Celestian role from slightly above grot-level CC at the expense of useful shootiness ability to something actually useful, nearby unit boosters with very high Ld or some morale special rule. Fearless ?

On a minor note, Hamer and Anvil was also added to their Novels section on the GW site. Long overdue, but nice to see.

Also, the Seraphim Superiors aren't back for the Seraphim one-click collection... So yeah, I guess there's a legitimate problem. With all three Seraphim Superior models.

@Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Blanche poster aside, I'd just find all of those miniatures lying around unpainted a bit daunting, personally. I prefer to do my buying in small batches.

And, come on, I'd be a hypocrite if I bought the Blanche poster after all that complaining about high heels I did.

Preordered. We shall see.

One-click collections seems largely useless, but that's nothing new.

 Troike wrote:
Blanche poster aside, I'd just find all of those miniatures lying around unpainted a bit daunting, personally. I prefer to do my buying in small batches.

Me too. Add to that no price reduction over buying piece by piece AND inclusion of useless models (storm bolters ? Really ?) and it's a no-brainer. The only reason to buy would be the Blanche poster, but that makes it a bloody expensive poster, so no thank you .

Storm bolters. Storm bolters everywhere !

(I always feel sad for those poor sisters with storm bolters who never see a gaming table... If only they weren't so pointless.)

Really cool that the signed Blanche poster is in there.

It's about time they started doing something with those otherwise-useless 1-click collections.

 Millicant wrote:
Preordered. We shall see.

One-click collections seems largely useless, but that's nothing new.

The only useful thing is that you actually know what sisters you get instead of random blisters.

 d-usa wrote:
The only useful thing is that you actually know what sisters you get instead of random blisters.

Ahah, well...

Please note there are 9 different designs of Battle Sisters available and a random selection of these miniatures will be provided with this collection.

They are just talking about the standard Sisters, though.

No you don't, it says so at the end of the description. lol
[edit]Too late…[/edit]


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Very interesting description of the Celestians :

Celestians are the finest and noblest warriors of their Order - inspirational figures whose refusal to yield, even in the direst of situations, is legendary. The presence of such warriors does much to bolster the fighting spirit of nearby troops, and as such, the Orders Militant allow these distinguished veterans to bear devotional markings.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat660006a&prodId=prod2270010a
Seems like they finally switched the Celestian role from slightly above grot-level CC at the expense of useful shootiness ability to something actually useful, nearby unit boosters with very high Ld or some morale special rule. Fearless ?

Am I the only one excited by that ? Maybe one more useful/usable choice !

I too would be bloody thrilled about useful Celestians But I'll reserve judgement until I see their actual stats. That description may not translate into crunch.

Is there a way to buy the Blanche poster (unsigned) outside of this 1 click deal?

What's in the itunes preview? Dont want to give apply my creditcard info just to create an account.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
Is there a way to buy the Blanche poster (unsigned) outside of this 1 click deal?

Yeah, dont want to ruin a perfectly good poster!

Is it just me or is that one click deal ludicrous even for GW?

 Erzanj wrote:
Storm bolters. Storm bolters everywhere !

(I always feel sad for those poor sisters with storm bolters who never see a gaming table... If only they weren't so pointless.)

SB sisters are great for combi conversions.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Is it just me or is that one click deal ludicrous even for GW?

Which one click deal?

The "Daughters of the Emperor" one isn't that bad considering it's a whole hell of a lot of pewter.

Huh, a box of sisters is $96 Canadian now....

Did they suddenly get casted out of silver?

That'd be cheaper.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Is it just me or is that one click deal ludicrous even for GW?

Which one click deal?

The "Daughters of the Emperor" one isn't that bad considering it's a whole hell of a lot of pewter.

Its still double the price it used to be.


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 Melissia wrote:
That'd be cheaper.

No kidding, its not like GW didn't have a stock pile of these things sitting around. I highly doubt these are newly casted figures.

At least in US prices, everything seems to be the same. One clicks are just price of individuals, like usual (at least the ones I looked at).

 pretre wrote:
At least in US prices, everything seems to be the same. One clicks are just price of individuals, like usual (at least the ones I looked at).

I think when they say "double" they mean double of when you used to be able to buy a box of 10 sisters (which was $40ish not too long ago).

And yeah - I don't see many people lining up to buy models that are what, at least a decade old, for $70-80 a box.

Also - $66 for 5 damn Seraphim!

I can't imagine why Sisters of Battle aren't more popular ...

Especially when ebay has the same squads for $50

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
What's in the itunes preview? Dont want to give apply my creditcard info just to create an account.

I'm working on uploading it now. It was a PITA to get it off my iPad, but I'll have it all up (plus all the other free preview stuff we have running around) ASAP.

I see that is available for pre-order today. FYI

I love the prices. 1 click collection for Seraphim - $111 for 5 models! Celestian collection... $141 for 10 models! HA!

Sorry for the wait:
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/news-codex-adepta-sororitas-preview-live.html

30 images in total.

Seems like Kyranov is gone. And I love all the FFG artwork flowing through this.

Are Penitent Engines still vehicles? I bloody hope they're not.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I love the prices. 1 click collection for Seraphim - $111 for 5 models! Celestian collection... $141 for 10 models! HA!

You probably have your country set to Australia. Just set it to US and they prices will be better.


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Seems like Kyranov is gone. And I love all the FFG artwork flowing through this.

Are Penitent Engines still vehicles? I bloody hope they're not.

Kyrinov is a website error, last we heard and we don't know about PE yet.


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Thanks, CZ! Nothing earthshaking, but still nice.

You know... I was honestly secretly looking forward to building a contingent of SoB as an elite guard for some ecclesiarchs as well as an ally for my friend's IG. And then dem prices for just 10 troops xD. Either way... certainly seems like a decent enough codex. Still gonna get this! It looks pretty cool and is nice to see that they at least changed stuff up!

I will admit though... the warlord trait frustrates me so much.

No problem petre! I would have been faster but I spent an hour trying to get the screenshots off my iPad.

Figured it out in the end though.

 StarTrotter wrote:
I will admit though... the warlord trait frustrates me so much.

We don't even know what they are yet, do we?

 pretre wrote:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html

Thanks someone should probably put this in the OP now that it's up.

 pretre wrote:
You probably have your country set to Australia. Just set it to US and they prices will be better.

*glares*

 pretre wrote:
Kyrinov is a website error, last we heard and we don't know about PE yet.

I think what they choose to do with the PE will determine whether they really know what they're doing (or not) with this book.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
You probably have your country set to Australia. Just set it to US and they prices will be better.

*glares*

Just be happy you don't pay NZ prices. The Kiwis have it the worst!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Kyrinov is a website error, last we heard and we don't know about PE yet.

I think what they choose to do with the PE will determine whether they really know what they're doing (or not) with this book.

It's Cruddace, what's the worst that can happen?



I'm kidding of course! Please don't burn me at the stake and call me mean names!

Seriously though, wargear price drops have me optimisitic. We may not have a cheaper base cost, but our overall cost may have dropped a chunk.

I strongly doubt there's any changes to PE. They are still HS at least.

Wait, did the WD Canoness have stubborn? If not, that is a nice pickup. Also Martyrdom sounds good as well.

 AdeptSister wrote:
Wait, did the WD Canoness have stubborn? If not, that is a nice pickup. Also Martyrdom sounds good as well.

Yes she did. Sadly the only place it really helped was the 20 Sisters squad. We all know how often those see the table though.

Thanks for the pics Clockwork!
Noticed a couple of things, not sure if its anything but in the first pic below, the 5 Lady squad next to the Cannoness has 4 flamers. They also have gold trim, something synonymous with Celestians. Could Sororitas command squads be going the way of IG CCS and the recent SM CS with the ability to take 4 special weapons? Or is it just a Dom squad?
Something to support this in the second pic, the description for Sororitas Command Squad mentions that it "MAY" be accompanied by dialogus/Hospitaller.
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/news-codex-adepta-sororitas-preview-live.html

THANK THE LORDS OF CHAOS!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Sorry for the wait:
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/news-codex-adepta-sororitas-preview-live.html

30 images in total.

thank you

Thanks for the preview. Some rather nice stuff in there. Most of the fluff is, unsurprisingly, cobbled together from earlier sources - but I did notice a few additions! For example, the bit about the Order of the Argent Shroud is a copypaste of its description in WD #383 - with exception of the last sentence that now marks this Order as fielding a disproportionally high amount of Seraphim and Celestians. Interesting.

The artwork is neat, if sometimes misplaced. For the Sororitas Command Squad, they took a picture from FFG's Blood of Martyrs with Sisters from two different Orders and a Repentia? If they had to rip off art from outsourced material, they may well have went for the piece that shows a collection of "types" of Sisters. It's in the same book!

Small errors that kinda poked me in the eye: calling the Adepta Sororitas synonymous with the Sisters of Battle, and the Orders Dialogous as Orders Dialogus. The latter could technically be a retcon (though I don't believe it is), but the former is contradicted in a later preview image.
It's nothing too glaring, I can live with it - just a bit weird. About as weird as calling the Sister with Imagifer a "Sister with Blessed Banner" (look at it ya gitz, it's a piece of parchment, not a flag!).

I'm also happy to see that we still get "the best wargear the Imperium has to offer" after seeing how another digital product (the "Munitorum") wanted to claim we have lesser bolters, but I'm guessing the latter was written by some BL freelancer rather than someone from the core studio.

Ravenous D wrote:Huh, a box of sisters is $96 Canadian now....
Did they suddenly get casted out of silver?

It'd kinda fit the army theme!

(... and I'd actually buy that - shouldn't be much more expensive than current prices)

Vrall wrote:Noticed a couple of things, not sure if its anything but in the first pic below, the 5 Lady squad next to the Cannoness has 4 flamers. They also have gold trim, something synonymous with Celestians.

Hmm. Good catch.
Ever since 3E, the Canoness' bodyguard has always been Celestians (before this job was done by the Seraphim), and it even says so in the fluff text of that preview...

Imagifer got renamed on the Blessed Banner back when the WD codex came out likely due to the original banner bearer being OOP (I managed to nail one on ebay today as well as possibly the old card Argent Shroud Banner (unless I'm getting scammed then I'll be a sad panda)).

I wouldn't take model placement as being indicitive of anything. GW might have thrown them all on the table and went "yup, looks cool" and taken the picture.

 Troike wrote:
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@pretre
It says it's the complete series, so yes.

Thats from the Deathwatch module, Rising Tempest. Its a good piece of art if you ask me.

It reminds me of this unreleased miniature with a powerfist

andrewm9 wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Is that Dark Heresy art, though? It looks like Dark Heresy art.


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@pretre
It says it's the complete series, so yes.

Thats from the Deathwatch module, Rising Tempest. Its a good piece of art if you ask me.

It reminds me of this unreleased miniature with a powerfist

That's beautiful! Never seen that before...

I looked at some of the "deals" on the GW website and all I can really say is: wow, look at what little you get for $700.

Can't imagine why Sisters aren't more popular.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I love the prices. 1 click collection for Seraphim - $111 for 5 models! Celestian collection... $141 for 10 models! HA!

I'm guessing you didn't notice the Daughters of the Emperor deal. I thought I was on the Australian page for a minute. Then I saw that it really was the US page. :(

Thank God for Raging Heroes. The best part, the way things are going I'll have my Sisters by the time GW releases my Bretonnians. Oh... wait. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.... !!!

 scarletsquig wrote:
Really cool that the signed Blanche poster is in there.

It's about time they started doing something with those otherwise-useless 1-click collections.

I agree. It actually made me consider ordering this for a moment, until I remembered my hatred of metal models and I came to my senses.

They seem to have done a decent amount of updating and hijacking of art resources for this.

If the price of digital codexes stays at this kind of level I will get myself a tablet or iPad at Xmas. I like the look of the interactivity for the iPad codexes but I'm not sure the price difference between Apple and a 10" Android tablet would justify it.

I already have War Room and want to get more of PP's stuff, too.

I'm really pleased to see the Sisters get a release. Hopefully, we might get a full release of new models soon.

Remember when the sisters boxset was £17.99. As Penfold would say, crumbs!

At least some love is being shown to the Sisters with a kinda of 6th ed. update codex. They may be limited right now with the scope of rules due to minis or short version no new troops. Hopefully, we'll see a proper hardback Codex in less than 2 years, new plastic minis and troops/vehicles (Flyer please!).

Can't wait to see this update.

Well pre-ordered - just waiting till Saturday to download

loving the artwork hoping the tweeks are all good:

Looking at the Cannoness:

So we have to choose between Boltgun and Boltpistol now, but auto get a chainsword.
Rosarius is -10pts - thats a good thing
Get "Matrydom" - she always had Stubborn.

Well currently thats a -10pt drop for a Cannoness as can't see not taking the Rosarius - need to see what the other options in particular relics gives us.

Minor thing I note is that the Acts of Faith are now Act

I wonder if the cheaper Rosarius means the priests are cheaper too.

The issue with the Canoness as I see it is where to put her? She doesn't have any given part to play in the way the army works... at least not in my opinion. Unless they change her act of faith, she will still be a close combat buffer that has no real close combat unit to buff. Repentias will lose Fleet if she joins and a battle conclave will now have two character taxes to pay. To top that off, she continues to be a buffer that herself isn't that great in close combat. T3 and S3 doesn't cut it with all those MCs, Chaper Masters and Necron Lords running around out there.

Of course, this may all change next weekend and her prayer becomes something entirely new, but I had hoped for jump packs at least or some sort of "bonus" that a Canoness could offer an army like, oh I don't know... like chapter tactics or anything similar. As it stands right now, a Canoness didn't become better just because a Rosarius became cheaper, she is still nothing but a tax you have to pay and offers nothing that Celestine doesn't do better. Which is a shame according to myself since I prefer to create my own HQs and make up a background story for them. Even if they raise Celestine (or Celestilton as we call her because she is cheese) to 150p or even 175p-200p she would still be a preferable choice for most players. Unless they completely remake her and leave us with no good HQ at all of course.

I am afraid that the Canoness will still only be placed together with some Retributors manning a Quad-gun. It will be interesting to see what they will have made out of the Confessor and its retinue...

Agusto

 Shandara wrote:
I wonder if the cheaper Rosarius means the priests are cheaper too.

Of course ! To go along with the current price reduction, it's now 44 points instead of 45. Rejoice ! New pricing !

No jump pack for the Canoness, makes me a sad panda. It would've at least give you the option of mobility and run around with the Seraphim.
The only hope might be for a special holy jump pack/armor under Relics.

I think three years ago, Sisters and Seraphim boxes cost less than half: 30€ for Sororitas and 25 € for Seraphim Squad. Classy release

Edit: Just found a reference:
May 2009 Sororitas box was 40$, now it's double that (granted now including superior and standard):
http://wargamingforums.com/2009/05/23/games-workshop-price-hike-covers-40k-warhammer-fantasy-lord-of-the-rings-specialist-games-and-more/

And the seraphim don't come with a superior any more either.

 Troike wrote:

 Still Standing wrote:
Where is it up for pre-order as I can't find it?

Ooops, looks like they took it down again. I guess they jumped the gun, since it's not midnight yet. But luckily, I was fast and preordered it anyway.

It went up over here, by the way. It should be back at midnight.

Edit: oh, I'm seeing it again. Dammit, make up your minds!

Taken down... AGAIN

From the WD Daily blog:

Thinking about it, the pre-ordering of a digital codex may well have been to combat piracy. If it got released normally, it'd probably be getting passed around for free fairly quick. This way, people don't have that option, so the only way to get ahold of it now is to pay for it.

As for the one-clicks, yes, they're expensive. But that's a natural consequence of our individual models being so expensive, and one-clicks not providing any actual discounts. But still, it's nice to see them getting that sort of attention in itself.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
From the WD Daily blog:

Spoiler:

This is why I gave up buying anything new for 40k; obscene prices for something that does so little in the game, £50 for a troops choice? How about no.

Codex pre ordered and a game booked for the Sunday to try it out, fingers crossed that it fixes the WD codex.

Is horde SoB the most expensive army? Or is mounted DKoK more expensive?

Horde all-metal IG might be more expensive because of the higher model count but I'm not 100% on that.

Tallarn are the most expensive still in production (we'll ignore anything out of production) at £25.50 for 10, £49.70 for 10 Sisters. So 4 units of 50 Tallarn per unit is £510 and 1120 points no special weapons, 5 units of 20 Sisters is £497 and 1225 points so Guard would be just more expensive.

Death Korps eats that for breakfast though, £38.50 for 10, so £770 for 4 units of 50. A unit of 10 rough riders is £135!

Pre-ordered, plus ordering 3 additinal vehicles & some figures I did not have. Hope the additional turnover (with others) is noticeable over at GW giving some incentive to push out plastic figures and all new codex 'soon'.

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110 pages on iTunes vs 448 for C:SM

Space Marines is unusual though for a codex. Chaos Space Marines was 184 digitally.

Yeah Codex SM is like a bumper codex. Anyway, I've got my digi-dex pre-ordered so am a happy bunny. Gonna wait til I've read it before I make any extra purchases but will most likely be getting a couple of Immos and a selection of models.

D

The prices for the SOB models is utterly criminal. How do they live with themselves? No new player is going to start this army..and certainly very few current players will start one either. $80 for a squad of 10? Really? Then $85 for a 10 man squad of celestians which are basically the same models? Dumb. This release is more for the current owners of SOB armies than anything. Looking at the army releases and prices..there simply is no incentive for anyone new to start this army. What a joke.

 evildrcheese wrote:
Yeah Codex SM is like a bumper codex. Anyway, I've got my digi-dex pre-ordered so am a happy bunny. Gonna wait til I've read it before I make any extra purchases but will most likely be getting a couple of Immos and a selection of models.

D

Indeed - got a game booked on the folloeing Sunday at the local GW to try them out and show people cool models

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
The prices for the SOB models is utterly criminal. How do they live with themselves? No new player is going to start this army..and certainly very few current players will start one either. $80 for a squad of 10? Really? Then $85 for a 10 man squad of celestians which are basically the same models? Dumb. This release is more for the current owners of SOB armies than anything. Looking at the army releases and prices..there simply is no incentive for anyone new to start this army. What a joke.

it's only a joke if you don't already own a SOB army...

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
The prices for the SOB models is utterly criminal. How do they live with themselves? No new player is going to start this army..and certainly very few current players will start one either. $80 for a squad of 10? Really? Then $85 for a 10 man squad of celestians which are basically the same models? Dumb. This release is more for the current owners of SOB armies than anything. Looking at the army releases and prices..there simply is no incentive for anyone new to start this army. What a joke.

Those are the same prices I was paying for an army in 2010. Despite their price point Sisters haven't shifted in price since they went to blisters.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
The prices for the SOB models is utterly criminal. How do they live with themselves? No new player is going to start this army..and certainly very few current players will start one either. $80 for a squad of 10? Really? Then $85 for a 10 man squad of celestians which are basically the same models? Dumb. This release is more for the current owners of SOB armies than anything. Looking at the army releases and prices..there simply is no incentive for anyone new to start this army. What a joke.

Those are the same prices I was paying for an army in 2010. Despite their price point Sisters haven't shifted in price since they went to blisters.

That's totally true, but it was ridiculous then and its ridiculous now. GW can't think its really going to sell well by any stretch. If anything the one clicks highlight how expensive the army really is to collect.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Very interesting description of the Celestians :

Celestians are the finest and noblest warriors of their Order - inspirational figures whose refusal to yield, even in the direst of situations, is legendary. The presence of such warriors does much to bolster the fighting spirit of nearby troops, and as such, the Orders Militant allow these distinguished veterans to bear devotional markings.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat660006a&prodId=prod2270010a
Seems like they finally switched the Celestian role from slightly above grot-level CC at the expense of useful shootiness ability to something actually useful, nearby unit boosters with very high Ld or some morale special rule. Fearless ?

Probably not. That is the same description they gave them in the WD codex. Clearly fluff description in this case has no bearing on tabletop performance or their job. I really do wonder though at the roles of other units given that Battle Sisters can now have 2 special weapons at 5 models.

Games Workshop just broke my heart, he battleforce-ish kit is over $1000 the battle sister squad is over $100, i think $115 actually. And don't get me started on the others, a blimmin exorcist is $100!!!!!

I was REALLY hyped for this update. Unless i can find proxies i'll be fairly dissapointed. or i could just say Smeg it and proxy them all with inquisitorial ST's

Well if Dominons still have Scout - thats them sorted - Retributors worked fine as did Serpahs - all three should be the same?

Its only Cannoness, Celestians and Command Squads that seem to be lacking a good role.

@ Thunderfury - there are several armies of Sisters on ebay at the moment which are cheaper.........

ebay? bartertown?

I was rather hoping they would make the pent engines an elite choice as almost everyone else has some sort of walker for that slot,,,oh well,,,,,I just can not believe we are finally getting some attention,,,,just hope they do not nerf the saint.

I wanted to paint some of these and saw the GW site, then I saw the price of a Battle Sister Squad. Yeah... never going to happen.
Are they bloody mental?!

Saving my money for plastic Sisters, or a trip to Spain, should GW decide to Squat them after they fail to sell any models at unreasonable prices.

I've collected Sisters mostly from EBay. Only plastics would appeal to me at this point. I have more than enough models to make a sizable, stand alone Sisters army. I would like a flyer an an assault vehicle though.

Wwbushidow wrote:
should GW decide to Squat them after they fail to sell any models at unreasonable prices.

Nah, that won't happen. The creation of plastic doesn't hinge on the sale of the metal models. We know that GW tried to make plastics before, but couldn't do it properly. But now, they've said that they have the technology to do plastics, so they can go ahead with making plastics.

The metal one-clicks are probably just a move to increase sales off the back of the new codex. And it may be working, I heard that two people have bought the Daughters of the Emperor collection, supposedly.

With any luck, it means they're clearing out stock as they prepare for a rerelease with sexy plastics next year.

bwahahahaha, $80 for 10 infantry mini's.

LOL yeah was all ready to sell off my metal to get new plastics well glad I didnt sell yet. LOL.

I started wondering how much my little collection was worth with all this hubbub about prices so I broke added some pricing info to my inventory sheet. OOP items and Stern are based on what they roughly cost me. Though I may have paid more for Stern.



So yes, it is expensive, but I didn't spend all that at once and the only time I really shot myself in the foot was when I got into a bidding war over Stern on eBay (yes I realize she may be a fake, but it's a mighty good fake if she is).

I'm still adding to it too (2nd Celestine and 4th Penitent Engine were gotten this week and I'll be getting more Battle Sisters eventually as well).

Makes me a little proud to know that I've managed to collect something worth so much (at least to me).

 Harriticus wrote:
bwahahahaha, $80 for 10 infantry mini's.

Looks like other people are finding out what Sisters player always knew all along.

 Melissia wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
bwahahahaha, $80 for 10 infantry mini's.

Looks like other people are finding out what Sisters player always knew all along.

I almost think we need a Slowpoke meme here.

More on topic, yes it's expensive. I don't know any Sisters player who would claim it's not. So glad the rest of the world is playing catch up now.

I wonder if Ork players still try to claim their army is more expensive?

In regard to roles of other units now BSS can take 2 special weapons. As mentioned Doms will still have Scout and Infilttlrate which mean they'll still be betterthan your avaerage BSS but I wonder if there's a chance they might be able to take 4 specials in a 5 sister unit. Probably too much to ask for at this poont but it would be pretty sweet.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
In regard to roles of other units now BSS can take 2 special weapons. As mentioned Doms will still have Scout and Infilttlrate which mean they'll still be betterthan your avaerage BSS but I wonder if there's a chance they might be able to take 4 specials in a 5 sister unit. Probably too much to ask for at this poont but it would be pretty sweet.

D

BSS could already take 2 Specials, they can just do so at 5 models now.

Man, I felt bad paying 30 for my stern...

 pretre wrote:
Man, I felt bad paying 30 for my stern...

Yeah, I got caught up in a bidding war at the time and had more money than sense.

If it makes you feel any better I've been looking on and off for years and still don't have a Stern.

Darn it Clockwork, now you got me looking up my stuff for Sisters, making my head spin.

I'm not even going to try.

I was going to try but couldn't figure out an easy way open that spreadsheet.

Same here - my collection of 40K figures runs well into the mutiple tens of thousands - Sisters about the same as the two listed.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
In regard to roles of other units now BSS can take 2 special weapons. As mentioned Doms will still have Scout and Infilttlrate which mean they'll still be betterthan your avaerage BSS but I wonder if there's a chance they might be able to take 4 specials in a 5 sister unit. Probably too much to ask for at this poont but it would be pretty sweet.

D

BSS could already take 2 Specials, they can just do so at 5 models now.

Yeah I was talkibg in regard to 5 Sister BSS. The point is you can currently take 2 specials weapons in 5 Sister dom squads, so compositionally doms and Bss in the new book will be the same (but doms have scout etc) so I'm getting at that it'd be cool to take 4 specials in a 5 Sister dom squad. You dig? Although I think it's too sick that we'd get it.

D

What does digging have to do with anything?

Codex Witch Hunters had 4 specials in a 5 girl Dominion squad.

Heh. If we could sell our models for the GW price, a Sisters army would have been a grand investment.

 pretre wrote:
I'm not even going to try.

I suddenly feel like an even smaller fish in a bigger pond

 conker249 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm not even going to try.

I suddenly feel like an even smaller fish in a bigger pond

Don't feel bad. I keep an inventory so I know how much I have of any one things because I forget.

I. Kinda saw this coming they changed the name of sisters of battle to adeptas sororitas like last week

 Kaptain Skullstompa wrote:
I. Kinda saw this coming they changed the name of sisters of battle to adeptas sororitas like last week

Saw what coming exactly?

ClockworkZion wrote:Those are the same prices I was paying for an army in 2010. Despite their price point Sisters haven't shifted in price since they went to blisters.

Guess you are not aware that Sororitas were released in blisters 2004 and that the boxes were released much much later.

ClockworkZion wrote:I started wondering how much my little collection was worth with all this hubbub about prices so I broke added some pricing info to my inventory sheet.
(...)
Makes me a little proud to know that I've managed to collect something worth so much (at least to me).

If you think that GW prices represent a real world value, reconsider the pile of sand in the backyard:

 Kroothawk wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:Those are the same prices I was paying for an army in 2010. Despite their price point Sisters haven't shifted in price since they went to blisters.

Guess you are not aware that Sororitas were released in blisters 2004 and that the boxes were released much much later.

ClockworkZion wrote:I started wondering how much my little collection was worth with all this hubbub about prices so I broke added some pricing info to my inventory sheet.
(...)
Makes me a little proud to know that I've managed to collect something worth so much (at least to me).

If you think that GW prices represent a real world value, reconsider the pile of sand in the backyard:

I was refering to when the boxes went away, but nice job splitting hairs Kroot.

And as with everything, it only has value because we choose to accept that it does. That's how the world works and I don't need to be reminded all the time of this.

 pretre wrote:
I'm not even going to try.

Had a quick count on mine.. 302 models.. I don't want to know how expensive that is now. Luckily I got most of mine off Ebay.

GW never fails to disappoint me. when i was praying to the Emprah, I wanted plastic models to go with the new codex. instead they give us some ipad crap and expect us to use the old minis. does anyone know if there are new minis in the pipeline or should i just say language !it and go play infinity and other mini games? i was really exited for the new codex, because usually when they put out a new codex there are new minis to go with it. Or will it be that the day they come out with new minis will be the day the emperor comes back from being a vegetable and plows everyone?


also aint nobody got dimes for that. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440161a

I like how they present bundles..

New releases of old models! But now saving you time clicking!

I broke and figured my Sisters out. Not sure if it makes me feel better or worse that my Sisters army is worth more than my FW Legion army... See attachment, in pound sterling.

If the digital codex sells well then plastic kits come a stage closer

(GW staff now say they have the tech to make them which has been one of the major hold ups in the past)

but there was never any realistic prospect of them showing up for a cheap (by GW standards) digital only re-jig of a WD codex

so buy this and hope to see a full new codex in a couple of years time complete with new plastic kits

I added up all of my sister stuff at current prices a year or two ago and I gave up up once I hit 2K

I have actually bought sisters from my local GW I've been collecting for so long.

I have also bought a bunch on ebay for a hefty discount over the years

It makes me sad that most Sisters players on here have had to spend upwards of £1400 on their armies...

Kroothawk wrote:Guess you are not aware that Sororitas were released in blisters 2004 and that the boxes were released much much later.

I dunno, this is from 2004.
And in 2003 the blister at least had 6 models.

Not sure how it was earlier - it's kinda hard navigating the ever-changing GW site on the Wayback Machine.


And for everyone hoping for plastic kits, keep in mind that this has nothing to do with their pricing. If GW *wanted* they could make metal SoB cost as much as metal Valhallans or Mordians. If GW *wanted*, they could also make plastic SoB cost as much as plastic Space Marines. Guess which of these options would be more expensive?

Pre-orderd mah iBook yay! More fodder for reading in the bathroom or when at the coffee shop drinkin' dem soy mochers.

 Still Standing wrote:
It makes me sad that most Sisters players on here have had to spend upwards of £1400 on their armies...

You shouldn't be sad about that, you should be sad about how low the comparative model count is.

rangemaster wrote:does anyone know if there are new minis in the pipeline or should i just say f*** it and go play infinity and other mini games?

I choose Warmachine with some nice guns, military cap and cigars trollbloods with a bad attitude (mainly a lot of showing middle fingers ), but I guess Infinity will do just as well.

 rangemaster wrote:
does anyone know if there are new minis in the pipeline

Probably, but don't expect them for a while yet.

 conker249 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm not even going to try.

I suddenly feel like an even smaller fish in a bigger pond

Nah, I probably have a comparable collection to CZ (with less forgeworld and superheavies). I'm just lazy.


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 Shandara wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm not even going to try.

Had a quick count on mine.. 302 models.. I don't want to know how expensive that is now. Luckily I got most of mine off Ebay.

Yeah, mine isn't truly that many. It is just really old. My first buy was the SOB box set that came with the shrine and tons of sisters back in 1998. Most of it past that has been either: 1) Bitz Order from GW 2) Trading.

If I had to guess, I'd say 100 total sisters, 6 or so Immos, 3 Exos, 5 or so Rhinos, Stern, all the priests and hangers on, 80 or so Redemptionists (including The Redeemer!), 20-30 Battle Conclave, etc so on. No repentia and no penitent engines. Oh and that doesn't count trade stock. Probably another 40-50 sisters there.


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 Lynata wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Guess you are not aware that Sororitas were released in blisters 2004 and that the boxes were released much much later.

I dunno, this is from 2004.
And in 2003 the blister at least had 6 models.

Not sure how it was earlier - it's kinda hard navigating the ever-changing GW site on the Wayback Machine.

Boxed sisters have been around for probably 15 years at least. I bought mine when they still had boxed sisters sets (at the time they were cardboard sleeves around styrofoam 'boxes').

Ah, those styrofoam boxes.. I remember those They were awesome for super cheap (and ugly looking) ruins. The good old times.

RoninXiC wrote:
Ah, those styrofoam boxes.. I remember those They were awesome for super cheap (and ugly looking) ruins. The good old times.

Yeah, just hit them with grey spray paint and they decayed just about right.

I was actually thinking of picking up a very basic sisters force from my FLGS. They give me 20% off. I still may, now that I think about it.


But from GW? You can forget that noise. $80 for one far from optimized troop choice (really? a storm bolter?...) is downright crazy.

I'd probably even consider it if it were 9 bolter sisters and a superior....but they couldn't even do that right.

These one-click things are going to blow up the world, a la planet of the apes! Mark my words!

godswildcard wrote:
I was actually thinking of picking up a very basic sisters force from my FLGS. They give me 20% off. I still may, now that I think about it.

Keep in mind that a lot of FLGS do not give discounts on direct only.

But from GW? You can forget that noise. $80 for one far from optimized troop choice (really? a storm bolter?...) is downright crazy.

Protip, don't buy the one-click bundle. Just buy the sisters separately, you get the loadout you want that way. Oh and Storm Bolters make great combi-weapons.

These one-click things are going to blow up the world, a la planet of the apes! Mark my words!

They are an option for people who can't be arsed to add them manually. It is really not that big a deal.

I'm sure its been discussed already but, this will be the first digital codex I will have picked up. I don't own a tablet, but was planning on downloading this to my PC. Which format/eReader is recommended? Thanks!

Anything that can read ePub files. Just google ePub reader and you'll find something.

Also, you are allowed to print out one copy for personal use. If you read the terms in the preordering page, it says so near the begining. So it doesn't really matter if you own a tablet or not.

l0k1 wrote:I'm sure its been discussed already but, this will be the first digital codex I will have picked up. I don't own a tablet, but was planning on downloading this to my PC. Which format/eReader is recommended? Thanks!

I've been using this:
http://www.adobe.com/ie/products/digital-editions/download.html

Works like a charm

 pretre wrote:

godswildcard wrote:
I was actually thinking of picking up a very basic sisters force from my FLGS. They give me 20% off. I still may, now that I think about it.

Keep in mind that a lot of FLGS do not give discounts on direct only.

But from GW? You can forget that noise. $80 for one far from optimized troop choice (really? a storm bolter?...) is downright crazy.

Protip, don't buy the one-click bundle. Just buy the sisters separately, you get the loadout you want that way. Oh and Storm Bolters make great combi-weapons.

These one-click things are going to blow up the world, a la planet of the apes! Mark my words!

They are an option for people who can't be arsed to add them manually. It is really not that big a deal.

My shop does. He's pretty cool like that.

I guess I'm just miffed because this 'one-click bundle' is a basic sister squad. You're right of course that it makes far more sense to grab everything separately, but they are clearly trying to market a basic squad as some sort of bundle. As with most things GW does, this simply makes no sense, but I can't help but feel that they'll say 'see? That sisters squad one click isn't selling! This proves that a proper sisters box wouldn't sell!'

Also, I don't actually believe that one-click bundles are going to blow up the world. That was sarcasm.

They've used Saint Celestine to showcase SOB. Honestly that face is just awful.

£50 for a single squad? Holy gak they must not be expecting to sell many of them if they're charging that price.

It's like people are only just realising how much sisters cost....

 S'jet wrote:
It's like people are only just realising how much sisters cost....

yeah these are the same prices they were a month ago.

 evildrcheese wrote:
.....Doms will still have Scout and Infilttlrate...

Wait, since when do Dominions get Infiltrate?

I'm sure he meant outflank.

 pretre wrote:

 S'jet wrote:
It's like people are only just realising how much sisters cost....

yeah these are the same prices they were a month ago.

Although it can't have been that way for too long, I am sure I was looking at sisters last year contemplating some project or something and they where at the £26-30 mark for ten. £50 is one heck of a jump in a year.

They've been this price since I can remember... since they stopped selling them in boxes... at least, I thought they had?

Yeah, it's been that way for at least 2 years.


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Amusing typo on the GW Blog:

"Today is a joyous day for the faithful citizens of the Imperium, as the brand new Codex: Adepta Sororitas is available to download for iPad and eBook compatible devices."

Made me go to Blacklibrary and check to see if it was available yet...

If it was already out I'd be $40 in the hole and either posting in excitement or anger.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it was already out I'd be $40 in the hole and either posting in excitement or anger.

$32.99. And I already bought it.

Just waiting for them to make the stupid link live on Friday.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it was already out I'd be $40 in the hole and either posting in excitement or anger.

$32.99. And I already bought it.

Just waiting for them to make the stupid link live on Friday.

I went iPad and already pre-ordered it but they aren't charging me until it's released.

I'd like to price up my sisters but they stopped making and dropped from the codex about 50% of my collection :(

The reason the price is new to some, at least to me is I didn't even bother looking at the minis since 09 or so because they were metal and I had space wolves to build. The price is a bit of a shock because of the codex. It's new and people are checking the model pricing because these are the only ones (no plastics). Prices are such a turn off nowadays. I'm curious now to see how long gw can keep this up before they fall on their faces. Shall we take bets? I'd give them another year or two if this douchebaggery pricing continues.

 conker249 wrote:
I'm sure he meant outflank.

Yeah I do. Sorry I always make that mistake and get the names mixed up.

D

I never really checked on the prices that often, myself. I knew they were expensive, but I never knew just how expensive. For some reason I still thought a squad of ten was like $50, which is still too much really, but the $80 price tag was kind of shocking. And as I pointed out, the $700 deal is just...I mean, most of these 1-click collections are guilty of this obviously, where it just doesn't feel like you're really getting enough for your money, but this one in particular really made me raise an eyebrow. $700 is a huge chunk of change and I really can't believe just how tiny that "army" is...they even say in the description something along the lines of "It's about 1500 points if you really load up on pricey wargear!", and then with the signed art print thrown in it's like they were having a really hard time trying to sell this. I mean obviously a "competitive" SoB army would have more IG than SoB models in it, but still.

Like it was said earlier, the "1-click collections" (not "deals", sorry) just emphasize how absurdly expensive the models really are, and in my case at least, just killed whatever desire their was to play this army with the current models...which for the most part didn't age too badly in my opinion (compared to the old Dark Eldar they're masterpieces, lol) but are still needing to be updated. A real codex and some new plastics at $40/10 models like the new SM tactical squad and I'd be interested, but until then...