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 BrookM wrote:
Picture taken at comic shop, it was not on sale at the time of the picture being taken, but I was allowed to leaf through it.

Hey, just saw this over at 4Chan.



As a sisters of battle player I'm both worried and intrigued.

I'm pretty sure it's just the digital edition of the existing codex.

Buuuuut Warlord Traits? :O

Was "photography" included with the white dwarf codex? It sounds like they'll at least have a minor update with the inclusion of warlord traits

Well we'll have confirmation soon but I'm doubting it since the picture beneath the "sister's codex" is the BA codex cover and there doesn't seem to be a good reason for it to be there.

*eyebrow raises until it shoots off of my forehead*

Its gotta be a trick. GW would never update Sisters of battle.

Maybe its a rerelease of the WD list?

Just woah. It's alive! It's from 4chan so must be true.

It's the 5th ed codex with a Warlord table, rereleased. I think the Blood Angels codex is also getting a digital release with Warlord traits added or something similarly minor. At least there's a way to field the army now.

Well it depends on how much 'updating for 6th edition' they did.

I could see some unit getting Skyfire or something, but I wouldn't expect much. When Sisters get redone, it'll be on the scale of the Dark Eldar out of necessity. This just seems like a stopgap following up on a stopgap.

 Brother SRM wrote:
It's the 5th ed codex with a Warlord table, rereleased. I think the Blood Angels codex is also getting a digital release with Warlord traits added or something similarly minor. At least there's a way to field the army now.

And honestly, I'm pretty fine with that. I doubted that it would be a complete update, but what it most certainly is is a legit codex, and the warlord traits are a wonderful bonus.

Saw this in the thread on 4Chan

It is from White Dwarf "Digital Editions" page (p#34).

So seems like they are updating the SoB and BA dexes with digital releases. Probably even warlord traits for BA.

Kinda strange they would update it so 'people can begin a collection' when there's essential models like Seraphim Superiors still missing from the webstore.

Will this be a physical book, or only available as an eBook?

 streamdragon wrote:
Will this be a physical book, or only available as an eBook?

Well, it's under Digital Releases, so for now only as an eBook.

looks good,

although im hopefull that when they do the hardback version when they re-do their codex that they role the SOB, GK and Ordo Xenos into a single book. ( even if they are seperate armies)

 Brother SRM wrote:
It's the 5th ed codex with a Warlord table, re-released.

Sadly, I can see this being the case.

Sweet gak of Celestine!

Brother SRM wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Will this be a physical book, or only available as an eBook?

Well, it's under Digital Releases, so for now only as an eBook.

Ah, image doesn't show that and I don't get WD. I'm not sure how much good this will do me then. I don't own a tablet or eReader of any kind, so I'm not sure how I'd get this to the gaming table.

Even if it is just the 5th WD codex with Warlord traits it's good that it will be officially available.

Those enthused enough to hunt down the models to play them have enough on their plate without dealing with an OOP codex.

 streamdragon wrote:
I don't own a tablet or eReader of any kind, so I'm not sure how I'd get this to the gaming table.

Print!


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The new digital editions are .epub and mobi, not just iTunes, right?

And static warlord traits for our special characters will be great. Especially since no one runs the non-SC anyways.

 pretre wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
I don't own a tablet or eReader of any kind, so I'm not sure how I'd get this to the gaming table.

Print!
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The new digital editions are .epub and mobi, not just iTunes, right?

And static warlord traits for our special characters will be great. Especially since no one runs the non-SC anyways.

I don't have a working printer either!

And yeah, I think GW finally got off their duffs and started releasing non iTunes versions of books.

Curious about the Warlord traits, if there's anything truly useful in there. Maybe something that can make a nonSC HQ choice useful, since my group doesn't usually do SCs :(

 streamdragon wrote:
I don't have a working printer either!

And yeah, I think GW finally got off their duffs and started releasing non iTunes versions of books.

Curious about the Warlord traits, if there's anything truly useful in there. Maybe something that can make a nonSC HQ choice useful, since my group doesn't usually do SCs :(

Kinkos!

I don't think any random warlord table will make the non-sc ones viable. I hope to be proven wrong though. As to not allowing SC, is your group still playing 3rd edition or something? Geeze.

There will be no single printed "How to Paint Dark Elves" book either, so this is obviously digital only, as suggested by the format of the pic.

Well I'm excited. I'm hoping that it actual changes things (10 point Battle Sisters PLEASE).

I'm prepared for disappointment as well though.

Ah, I expected this to be here.

Not sure it's real. Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork, and the misspelling of "Adepta Sororitas".

 Troike wrote:
Ah, I expected this to be here.

Not sure it's real. Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork, and the misspelling of "Adepta Sororitas".

Oooh good catch.

Web-monkey is probably not well-versed in 40k, thinks everything is Space Marines anyway.

 Shandara wrote:
Kinda strange they would update it so 'people can begin a collection' when there's essential models like Seraphim Superiors still missing from the webstore.

This is the company that re-released Apocalypse with limited edition template and blast markers (which really are essential). So not that strange, really.

 insaniak wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Kinda strange they would update it so 'people can begin a collection' when there's essential models like Seraphim Superiors still missing from the webstore.

This is the company that re-released Apocalypse with limited edition template and blast markers (which really are essential). So not that strange, really.

Not to mention that there is at least one SS in the webstore:

Thank God - warlord traits! Finally they are competitive again.

Time to watch all the marine players codex hopping onto the Sisters.

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
Thank God - warlord traits! Finally they are competitive again.

Time to watch all the marine players codex hopping onto the Sisters.

Umm. So much wrong here. The problems sisters have really have very little to do with warlord traits. Secondly, they are still competitive now, even without warlord traits.

Thirdly, I can't wait for the screams of rage when Celestine gets the Scoring Warlord Trait as her default.

 pretre wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Kinda strange they would update it so 'people can begin a collection' when there's essential models like Seraphim Superiors still missing from the webstore.

This is the company that re-released Apocalypse with limited edition template and blast markers (which really are essential). So not that strange, really.

Not to mention that there is at least one SS in the webstore:

Well not for us Euro chaps, sadly.

I've also got my suspicions about that Chapter Approved stamp on there. Would that really be on a digital codex release? I thought those were just for White Dwarf stuff? Surely, a digital codex would itself be valid?

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more it looks like a fake. Do DE really have Carnosaur cavalry?

Meh. It's better than nothing and at least any new SOB players can actually have rules now from GW itself and not some random torrent from who knows where. Adding a warlord trait table is a nice addition..but it still doesn't save the codex from itself. Meh. It's still outclassed by every 6th edition book.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, the more I look at it, the more it looks like a fake. Do DE really have Carnosaur cavalry?

No but they do have Cold One Knights.

And is the new thing called a War Hydra or just a Hydra?

 pretre wrote:
And is the new thing called a War Hydra or just a Hydra?

War Hydra in the WD leak.

Okay, so I feel a bit better.

The cover image still looks dodgy to me though. Compared to the recent digital covers it does not stand up well.

Is this another attempt by the Centurion Gobots guy?

I'd like to believe it's real, but yes...Eldarain makes a good point.

I'm fairly happy to call this real, I understand the reservations, but the text alongside really scans well as typical White Dwarf language and syntax, that would be possible, but much harder to fake than just the image.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'd like to believe it's real, but yes...Eldarain makes a good point.

It definitely is real, had the WD in my hands today.

 Malthor wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'd like to believe it's real, but yes...Eldarain makes a good point.

It definitely is real, had the WD in my hands today.

For reals? So BA is listed with a digital as well?

 Troike wrote:
Not sure it's real. Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork, and the misspelling of "Adepta Sororitas".

AFAIK it was originally Adeptus Sororitas in German and English, until this botch in Latin became too ridiculous even for GW and they changed it.
Here the original cover of the 2nd edition Sisters Codex in German to prove that once Adeptus Sororitas was the official version, at least in Germany:

Right, that and the fact it's from a third-party, Fantasy Flight. I don't think that GW lifts art from other companies who've borrowed its IP as codex cover art.

Yep, I'm going to say this is a fake. A stop-gap between our stop-gap would have been very nice (warlord traits would have been amazing), but I'd prefer a real codex over anything, so I'm indifferent about not getting one of these.

Now to figure out which format is easiest to print to PDF.

 pretre wrote:

 Malthor wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'd like to believe it's real, but yes...Eldarain makes a good point.

It definitely is real, had the WD in my hands today.

For reals? So BA is listed with a digital as well?

Yeah, actually I found the BA digital codex a bit more surprising than the Sororitas one

 pretre wrote:

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
Thank God - warlord traits! Finally they are competitive again.

Time to watch all the marine players codex hopping onto the Sisters.

Umm. So much wrong here. The problems sisters have really have very little to do with warlord traits. Secondly, they are still competitive now, even without warlord traits.

Thirdly, I can't wait for the screams of rage when Celestine gets the Scoring Warlord Trait as her default.

I'll be pleasantly surprised. Adding the BA book is a good move too since it's likely far down the update list and this way they can sell digitals to people twice

Second fav chapter is BA would love for them to have an update! Once paid for cant you just download it to a USB, take it to Kinko's and have them print it in color on some nice thick paper and spiral bound it. It should run close to 20-25 bucks to get it done.

Im torn between buying the digital release so I have it,use it, read it. But knowing that it "would" be hardback copy months later and would rather have a hardback copy. I don't want to buy it twice dang it, for I know I would! This has only happened once but it was annoying going to the game store and pulling out your army, only to find out that your codex(e-reader) is dead. "Oi! Does anyone happen to have their Nook specific charger on them?" *dead silence* Ok its cool, just um...hey I brought my fantasy army, lets play that instead.

I'm going to buy the digital, convert it and print it. Then, if a hardcover comes out, I'll buy that too.

I'm a sucker.

 pretre wrote:

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
Thank God - warlord traits! Finally they are competitive again.

Time to watch all the marine players codex hopping onto the Sisters.

Umm. So much wrong here. The problems sisters have really have very little to do with warlord traits. Secondly, they are still competitive now, even without warlord traits.

Thirdly, I can't wait for the screams of rage when Celestine gets the Scoring Warlord Trait as her default.

Wait wot?! You mean they can have a leader that knows how to do the same thing from one battle to the next without rolling on a random table?! Madness I say. This game is now broken.

;-) Yeah was just being sarcastic. And I have a special hate for Warlord tables. But hey - Glad for Sister's players.

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 Malthor wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'd like to believe it's real, but yes...Eldarain makes a good point.

It definitely is real, had the WD in my hands today.

Please don't be tolling us.
(Not saying that you are but I can't really tell, so I'm hoping that you are not).

I believe Malthor. May the Emperor have mercy on my soul.

 Necrosis wrote:

 Malthor wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'd like to believe it's real, but yes...Eldarain makes a good point.

It definitely is real, had the WD in my hands today.

Please don't be tolling us.
(Not saying that you are but I can't really tell, so I'm hoping that you are not).

No worries, I understand any scepticism, but I wouldn't be so cruel as to toy with the feelings of Sororitas players after all they've been through.

By the way, does anyone know if the digital codice are English only?

If so, I know a Sisters player who will be happy and angry with GW at the same time

can anyone tell me if I can read one of these new fangled e-book tingies on a chromebook (which I'm picking up tomorrow).

 pretre wrote:
I'm going to buy the digital, convert it and print it. Then, if a hardcover comes out, I'll buy that too.

I'm a sucker.

I doubt we will see a hardcover version of this. I think this is more of a stopgap until GW redoes the line, they probably figure they can make some money having people buy the WD rules.

I'm 100% certain there will be no rules changes or point cost changes at all. They will just recycle old stuff because they need all the new stuff for the proper codex release (said to be late 2014).

So the codex will still suck compared to everything else, everything will be over costed and the warlord traits will probably be pretty bad as well.

GW has a tradition of letting us SoB players down and this wont be any different, I wont be buying this until I've downloaded it to see if anything is changed. I still have the WDs and a warlords table can easily be copied or simply written down on paper.

Release date/ month?

It's just a digital update to bring the WD 5th edition codex in line with 6th edition rules. A nice little bone to toss them until they are given their full blown codex.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm going to buy the digital, convert it and print it. Then, if a hardcover comes out, I'll buy that too.

I'm a sucker.

I doubt we will see a hardcover version of this. I think this is more of a stopgap until GW redoes the line, they probably figure they can make some money having people buy the WD rules.

I'm 100% certain there will be no rules changes or point cost changes at all. They will just recycle old stuff because they need all the new stuff for the proper codex release (said to be late 2014).

So the codex will still suck compared to everything else, everything will be over costed and the warlord traits will probably be pretty bad as well.

GW has a tradition of letting us SoB players down and this wont be any different, I wont be buying this until I've downloaded it to see if anything is changed. I still have the WDs and a warlords table can easily be copied or simply written down on paper.

If this rumor is true and they are giving sisters warlord traits I could see them getting other updates as well. Such as skyfire and even a point reduction.

Damn it people, stop having optimism. It's infectious.

It also strikes me as ironic that I'm nay-saying whilst most others seem to be hopeful about it, but oh well.

I'll say, though, that I would buy this in a second if it turns out to be true. If I can do so without a tablet, that is.

 Troike wrote:
Damn it people, stop having optimism. It's infectious.

It also strikes me as ironic that I'm nay-saying whilst most others seem to be hopeful about it, but oh well.

I'll say, though, that I would buy this in a second if it turns out to be true. If I can do so without a tablet, that is.

I think the point is to get our hopes up and then when it doesn't come out, we get so mad that we turn into a mob and storm GW HQ and take everyone as hostages until they release us a proper codex.

Colour me excited. The two armies I run are Sisters & BA. Even if there's only a mini-update I'll be picking up both.

So what formats are they going to be in and which is best for getting printed? Never bought digital product from GW before.

D

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
So the codex will still suck compared to everything else,

SOB are actually really points efficient and do pretty well right now, so I'm not sure where you are getting this.

 Necrosis wrote:
If this rumor is true and they are giving sisters warlord traits I could see them getting other updates as well. Such as skyfire and even a point reduction.

As I said in the SOB thread, I strongly doubt this. We will get a warlord table, specific traits for specific characters, typo fixes (if we're lucky) and some new artwork.


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 evildrcheese wrote:
So what formats are they going to be in and which is best for getting printed? Never bought digital product from GW before.D

ePub, Mobi and iTunes.

It shouldn't be difficult to convert ePub or Mobi to PDF and then PDF is simple as all heck to print.

I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

 Lansirill wrote:
I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

Yeah, im sitting on 2 sets maybe i should sell a set before it comes out

 conker249 wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:
I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

Yeah, im sitting on 2 sets maybe i should sell a set before it comes out

Aww, don't be like those guys selling the 'current' 5th edition SM codex on eBay.

 pretre wrote:

 conker249 wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:
I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

Yeah, im sitting on 2 sets maybe i should sell a set before it comes out

Aww, don't be like those guys selling the 'current' 5th edition SM codex on eBay.

More to spread the wealth than for profit. Just never got around to selling the 2nd set 20$ plus shipping sounded fair. Not like the people who sell the set for 40+ because of demand. Not trying to be"one of those guys" lol

Ran into a reminder on Warseer that Best_Pone posted this recently:

An interesting tidbit I overheard being discussed recently is that Sisters of Battle are getting a digital codex release soon. Unfortunately, I'm still in the dark as to if there will be a physical codex release, or whether this is new material or just a repackaging of the current list.

I'm willing to bet that this is that digital release.

Not much of a bet.

 pretre wrote:
Not much of a bet.

Fair enough. I was just saying that this rumor has some weight behind it seeing as Best_Pone has a very solid track record so far.

 pretre wrote:
ePub, Mobi and iTunes.

It shouldn't be difficult to convert ePub or Mobi to PDF and then PDF is simple as all heck to print.

Could one purchase such a release without owning a tablet? I have heard people complaining about stuff being "iPad only".

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
ePub, Mobi and iTunes.

It shouldn't be difficult to convert ePub or Mobi to PDF and then PDF is simple as all heck to print.

Could one purchase such a release without owning a tablet? I have heard people complaining about stuff being "iPad only".

The Black Library formats can be loaded onto a smart phone so I imagine so.


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From the BL Website:

Are your eBooks available for the Kindle?
All of our eBooks and Hammer and Bolter are available from the Black Library website in a format that is compatible with the Kindle. Black Library eBooks will not be available from the Amazon website though.
In which formats will eBooks be available?
Mobi (the Kindle compatible format) and ePub (most other eReaders such as the Sony Reader and Barnes & Noble Nook).

Seeing as my phone has Kindle I'd think it's possible that you can get it on other devices but I can always be wrong!

Any chance it could be downloaded on a plain ole PC? Based on previous BL practice, that is; I don't buy ebooks, despite trying to write them, so this whole thing is kinda new to me.

If you get an ereader app for your PC, you should be fine. It is what I'm doing.

A Warlord table is more than what I was expecting from the rumor of a digital release.

 Madcat87 wrote:
A Warlord table is more than what I was expecting from the rumor of a digital release.

Yeah, they get one before orks, which is I believe now the oldest codex.

I chose odd armies to support, but hopefully the table will have some cool stuff. Ways to guarantee successful Acts of Faith, maybe?

So much optimism in this thread. You all know that this is an online rumor of a GW product right?

I think this is an appropriate qoute for some reason:

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

Hoitash wrote:
Ways to guarantee successful Acts of Faith, maybe?

I would certainly expect something that buffs your Acts to be in an SoB warlord table, just because it's such a central mechanic for the army.

I'd also expect something something that buffs the morale and cc ability of a warlord and their unit. Maybe somebody who knows the crunch better could be more in-depth than that, but they both seem appropriate to the army.

war wrote:
So much optimism in this thread.

While it is nice to see the SoB community here exhibiting some, yeah, I'm still wary of those red flags I pointed out earlier. But hey, the new WD is out soon, so we won't have to wait long to find out if this is legit or not. Even if it's a hoax, none of the previous factors have changed anyway.

war wrote:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

But at the same time, let's not act like this comes in a vacuum. In recent months, we've had devs saying that Sisters are definetely in the works, devs saying that plastic Sisters are now possible and reliable source saying that GW staff have been saying that an SoB digital release is on the way. There seems to be a "precedent" for this to happen.

 Troike wrote:
There seems to be a "precedent" for this to happen.

Or the biggest, most well planned troll ever...

Let's hope that's not the case.

Hoitash wrote:
Or the biggest, most well planned troll ever...

Let's hope that's not the case.

Well, it doesn't take much planning to take advantage of some well-known rumour mongerer's latest tidbit. Yes, it is good opening for a troll. But, as I've said, we'll know what the deal is soon. So it's not like we'll have an agonising wait for this.


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 Troike wrote:
Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork

I should point out that, as said on a comment posted on another site, there's a precedent for this. The cover of the CSM codex actually came from a BL novel.

It'd be interesting to see them go to FF for art. Can't complain, though. FF makes some seriously nice SoB art.

 pretre wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
So the codex will still suck compared to everything else,

SOB are actually really points efficient and do pretty well right now, so I'm not sure where you are getting this.

Points efficient? Compared to what?

Troops
Battle Sister - 12points per model
3/4/3/3/1/3/1/8/3+ 6++
Power armour, bolt gun, bolt pistol, frag and krak
Acts of Faith, Light of the Emperor (regroups if falling back, reroll 1s in shooting and/or assault), Shield of Faith

Codex: Space Marines
Troops
Space Marine - 14points per model
4/4/4/4/1/4/1/8/3+
Power armour, boltgun, bolt pistol, frag and krak
ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads

Codex: Chaos Space Marines
Troops
Chaos Space Marine - 13points per model
4/4/4/4/1/4/1/8/3+
Power armour, boltgun, bolt pistol, frag and krak

It's the same story for Elites, FA and Heavy Support. For +1-2 points you get +1WS +1S +1T +1I. On top of this you get the same or similar weapons options but usually at a cheaper points cost, even when comparing to codicies that came out before the SoB WD (Old SM codex, BA, SW).
If you are fielding Sisters of Battle there is nothing you can field cheaper or better when compared to space marines equivalents.

SoB are meant to be used in the 12"-24" range but there is nothing they can do at that range that can't be done more efficiently using any MEQ army.

But why compare them to SM? Because they are the most similar to them, they have the exact same wargear but MEQ get allot better stats for just 1-2pts more.

I do like rending heavy bolters, and our exorcist launcher, we do pump out a lot of AP1 compared to other armies with being able to take a lot of meltas,

GW truly gives no gak about SoB. The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

 Harriticus wrote:
GW truly gives no gak about SoB. The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

Well, the big honchos don't, but my local geedubs owner and I think an employee have sizeable SoB armies. Not sure if that is relevant in any way.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Points efficient? Compared to what?

If you are fielding Sisters of Battle there is nothing you can field cheaper or better when compared to space marines equivalents.

Celestine - Best Warlord in the Game for 115. Find me a marine equivalent.
5xDoms, 2 Meltas in a TLMM Immo - 170 for three twinlinked meltas (one multi). Find me a marine equivalent that does that much melta that cheap. With Scout for outflank or first turn melta.
10 Doms, 2 Meltas, 2 Flamers in a Repressor - 235 (200 for Rhino) AV13 transport with 2 Twin-linked flamers and 2 twin linked meltas. With Scout. First turn melta or outflank objective cleanser.
Exorcist - 135. Find me a 48" AP1 with one shot for that price. Now find me one that averages 3.5 shots at BS4.
Retributors - 85 for 4 rending HB. Yeah, find a light transport killer for that cheap in marines. Dakka pred comes closest, but Rets take out heavy infantry too.
Jacobus - 90 - One of the best allied HQs for blog IG. FNP, +1 Attack and Rerolls on the charge.
Conclave - 150 for the nastiest group of power weapons. 240 if you add Jacobus or Kyrinov. Much cooler in 5th, but still a premier countercharge unit.

Troops? Yeah, troops are our weak point, but SOB still have some very points efficient units.


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 Harriticus wrote:
GW truly gives no gak about SoB.

Gamer, please. That's why they squatted them 10 years ago, right?

The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

At least I will agree on this. With more support, SOB would sell better. That's a no-brainer.

 Troike wrote:

It'd be interesting to see them go to FF for art. Can't complain, though. FF makes some seriously nice SoB art.

I thought that the cover they took that art from was from a book Black Library published before Dark Heresy was taken up by Fantasy Flight. Technically they are just using their own art.

 Harriticus wrote:
GW truly gives no gak about SoB. The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

If they don't give a gak, then why attempt to make plastics for them? Or (possibly) this?

The Sisters have been held up due to modelling issues, folks. Not some sinister dislike from the GW leadership, but the fact that GW ran into technical problems trying to make them in plastic (these are now resolved, apparently). They've been saying this for quite some time, now.

@Haemonculus
All the better, if so.

 Troike wrote:


@Haemonculus
All the better, if so.

Agreed. And all the more reason to think the book (or ebook) is legit.

Hell I'm just happy SoaB are getting some love, this is certainly better than nothing and I'm sure we'll get plastic kits and a hardback codex eventually.

Dj

Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

I pointed that out last page.

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

I pointed that out last page.

Ooh, sorry! Please don't bane me!

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

I pointed that out last page.

Ooh, sorry! Please don't bane me!

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

I pointed that out last page.

Ooh, sorry! Please don't bane me!

In all seriousness, sorreh about that, but thankfully great minds think alike.

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

I pointed that out last page.

Ooh, sorry! Please don't bane me!

In all seriousness, sorreh about that, but thankfully great minds think alike.

No need to apologise, and I didn't mean to sound like I was claiming bragging rights.

I do agree that great minds think alike, however!

I really hope this is real. The SoB players have been waiting since 2nd ed for a proper codex.

If it is real, I'm looking forward to seeing more SoB armies around.

Puscifer wrote:
I really hope this is real. The SoB players have been waiting since 2nd ed for a proper codex.

If it is real, I'm looking forward to seeing more SoB armies around.

How come the third edition codex isn't a proper one then? Is it because their name isn't on the codex?

I will take this image with ample amounts of salt, after all I have plenty left over from the piles GW rubs into my wounds. I find the assessment of the white dwarf funny on both ends in a tragic sort of way. Obviously id like to see a lot of change but even I am not that deluded.
But as a bit of a comparison I leave you all with this...(yes I understand the points drop of Hvy Flamers from 5th to 6th, and that essentially it is apples and oranges but for the horrible humor of it its fun to compare)
A basic troop SoB with a Heavy Flamer costs exactly as much as a Sternguard with a Heavy Flamer.
+1's to WS, S, T, A, Ld, not to mention ATSKNF is always on vs Faith driven regroup, Also the fact that SoB's armory is woefully lacking in Missile Launchers, Lascannons, or standard plasma. So if skyfire access can be had there is not a reasonable threat to deliver with it.

Anywho not ranting, just chipping in. Optimism being held firmly in check.

 edweird wrote:
SoB's armory is woefully lacking in Missile Launchers, Lascannons, or standard plasma.

That'd go against the playstyle of the army, though. Sisters are all about short-ranged firepower, so I'd prefer the focus to stay on flamers and meltas. It makes them distinct as an army. I feel like we'd be moving too close to the Marines if we acquired those weapons.

 BrookM wrote:
How come the third edition codex isn't a proper one then? Is it because their name isn't on the codex?

While it certainly was a proper SoB codex, or was also an Ordo Hereticus codex too. So one could consider it to not be a "true" SoB codex, since they were sharing with somebody else.

Celestine - Best Warlord in the Game for 115.

The Baron

5xDoms, 2 Meltas in a TLMM Immo - 170 for three twinlinked meltas (one multi). Find me a marine equivalent that does that much melta that cheap. With Scout for outflank or first turn melta.

5 man squad of legion of the damned with combi melta, melta, multimelta. 155pts all their weapons ignore cover and precision deepstrike.

10 Doms, 2 Meltas, 2 Flamers in a Repressor - 235 (200 for Rhino) AV13 transport with 2 Twin-linked flamers and 2 twin linked meltas. With Scout. First turn melta or outflank objective cleanser.

Sternguad similar points cost. Similar destruction. Marine bike squads are better and cheaper.

Exorcist - 135. Find me a 48" AP1 with one shot for that price. Now find me one that averages 3.5 shots at BS4.

Not bad..but only having one weapon is it's weakness. The annihilator predator is now only 5pts more and better IMHO.

Retributors - 85 for 4 rending HB. Yeah, find a light transport killer for that cheap in marines. Dakka pred comes closest, but Rets take out heavy infantry too.

You're forgetting that 85pts is for only 5. So what? Rending? with only 5 models good luck getting that power off more than once given it's easy to remove 5 T3 models. 2 attack bikes put out nearly the same fire power for 5 points more, but are more mobile, and can assault if need be. Rending doesn't matter. For 15pts more I get a thunderfire cannon which is superior.

Jacobus - 90 - One of the best allied HQs for blog IG. FNP, +1 Attack and Rerolls on the charge.

A rune priest is a superior allied HQ for blob platoons in every way. Even a new SM codex librarian is better.

Conclave - 150 for the nastiest group of power weapons. 240 if you add Jacobus or Kyrinov. Much cooler in 5th, but still a premier countercharge unit.

All T3 weenies. Easily dispatched with shooting. This unit will never get to counter charge because it will never reach it's target before it's dead. It has no delivery system.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Celestine - Best Warlord in the Game for 115.

The Baron

The baron gets back up on a 4+ and can almost guarantee you a contested objective at the end of the game if you go second?

5xDoms, 2 Meltas in a TLMM Immo - 170 for three twinlinked meltas (one multi). Find me a marine equivalent that does that much melta that cheap. With Scout for outflank or first turn melta.

5 man squad of legion of the damned with combi melta, melta, multimelta. 155pts all their weapons ignore cover and precision deepstrike.

Twin linked? Outflank? Turn 1 Melta of a target? They are good, don't get me wrong, but Turn 1 Scout (if you go first) is really good. Doms are still good even if they don't get out of their vehicle, where as the Legion is exposed.

10 Doms, 2 Meltas, 2 Flamers in a Repressor - 235 (200 for Rhino) AV13 transport with 2 Twin-linked flamers and 2 twin linked meltas. With Scout. First turn melta or outflank objective cleanser.

Sternguad similar points cost. Similar destruction. Marine bike squads are better and cheaper.

But do they have scout. Do they have twin-linked? Sternguard 120 + 2 Meltas, 2 Flamers (30) in a Drop pod 35. 185. No twin linked. 5 Bodies. Get the extra ammo. No scout. Not scoring in scouring (which is plus and minus). Can't get a repressor. If in a drop pod, has to expose itself to do its job leaving it dead in the water.

Exorcist - 135. Find me a 48" AP1 with one shot for that price. Now find me one that averages 3.5 shots at BS4.

Not bad..but only having one weapon is it's weakness. The annihilator predator is now only 5pts more and better IMHO.

Better at what? S8 AP1 is a huge bonus. Double tapping out wraiths and marines, AP1 for +2 on the table.

Retributors - 85 for 4 rending HB. Yeah, find a light transport killer for that cheap in marines. Dakka pred comes closest, but Rets take out heavy infantry too.

You're forgetting that 85pts is for only 5. So what? Rending? with only 5 models good luck getting that power off more than once given it's easy to remove 5 T3 models. 2 attack bikes put out nearly the same fire power for 5 points more, but are more mobile, and can assault if need be. Rending doesn't matter.

Rending doesn't matter? Serious?

Jacobus - 90 - One of the best allied HQs for blog IG. FNP, +1 Attack and Rerolls on the charge.

A rune priest is a superior allied HQ for blob platoons in every way. Even a new SM codex librarian is better.

Better than FNP, +1 Attack, Stubborn and Rerolls? Sure he is. Dislodge a 40 FNP blob from behind an aegis. For guard blobs, he is great.

Conclave - 150 for the nastiest group of power weapons. 240 if you add Jacobus or Kyrinov. Much cooler in 5th, but still a premier countercharge unit.

All T3 weenies. Easily dispatched with shooting. This unit will never get to counter charge because it will never reach it's target before it's dead. It has no delivery system.

The baron gets back up on a 4+ and can almost guarantee you a contested objective at the end of the game if you go second?

Does St. Celestine become a huge force multiplier for your army? Does she give you a better chance at going first..thus allowing your fire power to cripple your opponent and not needing her 50/50 chance at contesting? Does she give useful units Stealth, H&R, and a 2++ save? No? Ok. She's a great HQ. Top 5 easily. But she's no Baron...

Twin linked? Outflank? Turn 1 Melta of a target? They are good, don't get me wrong, but Turn 1 Scout (if you go first) is really good. Doms are still good even if they don't get out of their vehicle, where as the Legion is exposed.

All those abilities are situational. LotD is consistent and consistency is better than situational. LotD can be exposed because their save is superior. You asked for a melta delivery system that's better and cheaper. I gave it to you.

But do they have scout. Do they have twin-linked? Sternguard 120 + 2 Meltas, 2 Flamers (30) in a Drop pod 35. 185. No twin linked. 5 Bodies. Get the extra ammo. No scout. Not scoring in scouring (which is plus and minus). Can't get a repressor. If in a drop pod, has to expose itself to do its job leaving it dead in the water.

In regards to Sternguard, I said comparable damage output. You missed my bike squad suggestion. Cheaper, better, harder hitting, and can be easily made to be scoring.

Better at what? S8 AP1 is a huge bonus. Double tapping out wraiths and marines, AP1 for +2 on the table.

Better consistency. An annihilator doubles out wraiths and marines as well. AP2 is good enough. But I'd rather be able to consistently put out 3 shots every turn than relying on the D6. The exocist isn't bad..but again you are asking for something better.

Rending doesn't matter? Serious?

No it doesn't and here's why: Range 36" puts them in harms way of just about everything in the game that can wtfpwn them. Secondly, for 85pts that's only 5 guys...4 HBs. With only 12 BS4 shots that's not many rending chances...and that's assuming you can even get the act of faith off. Lastly, at best will get one use of that faith based power before they are dead. I've used them extensively and they simply can't survive in the Tau/ Eldar era. That's the truth.

Better than FNP, +1 Attack, Stubborn and Rerolls? Sure he is. Dislodge a 40 FNP blob from behind an aegis. For guard blobs, he is great.

Yes the rune priest is better. Gives your army superior psychic protection, ATSKNF, and can Jaws Riptides dead..which are dominating at the moment. You can get stubborn by adding in commissars, and rerolls can be given with a command squad banner near by. 40 guardsmen behind an aegis are durable regardless of FNP. Lastly, FNP doesn't matter much now that Thunderfires can barrage. Jacobus is good, but again you asked for a better choice and I gave you one.

I agree with the delivery system bit. T3 weenies with a 3++/5+FNP or 5++/5+FNP are not that easy to dislodge. You can get them a vehicle or put them behind an aegis and then they are a 4+/5+FNP across the board.

Yes they are easy to dislodge because they are T3 weenies. FNP doesn't mean squat when the game is loaded with Str6 -7 weapons. Putting them in the vehicle only buys them maybe a turn..but that turn is then squandered as they exit the vehicle and sit there awaiting to be shot. Also the vehicle they are taking is easily dispatched. Aegis? Why would I want an assault unit hanging out behind a wall? Again, str6 -7 still murders them and TFC ends the debate all together.

Again, same commentary that I gave you in jy2's thread. Don't let your dislike for the book color your assessment of the units.

My dislike for the book has nothing to do with it. You asked to find you better units than those SOB ones...and I did. Don't let your blind love of a crap codex color your assessment of the brutal reality of the state of the SOB codex in regards to where the game currently is in the meta.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
My dislike for the book has nothing to do with it. You asked to find you better units than those SOB ones...and I did. Don't let your blind love of a crap codex color your assessment of the brutal reality of the state of the SOB codex in regards to where the game is currently in the meta.

You didn't. You found different units that aren't better but just marine equivalents that do different things than the SOB units. Heck, you put up a DE unit instead of a SM for the HQ.
Your dislike has everything to do with it. Mine is not blind love. I actually play games with them in the 'current meta' and do well. I have openly discussed the areas that are lacking in the codex (lackluster troops, nonSC HQs are bad, Elites have no good units) but there is still a lot that is good. Maybe take a look at tactics rather than deriding the codex?

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

All those abilities are situational. LotD is consistent and consistency is better than situational. LotD can be exposed because their save is superior. You asked for a melta delivery system that's better and cheaper. I gave it to you.

Consistently at the mercy of reserve rolls.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

All those abilities are situational. LotD is consistent and consistency is better than situational. LotD can be exposed because their save is superior. You asked for a melta delivery system that's better and cheaper. I gave it to you.

Consistently at the mercy of reserve rolls.

This is where we are told that we can just add Tigurius to fix that problem.

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

I pointed that out last page.

Ooh, sorry! Please don't bane me!

In all seriousness, sorreh about that, but thankfully great minds think alike.

So do terrible ones...

Jusat kidding. When does the White Dwarf come out?

You wrote:

Find me a marine equivalent.

You didn't. You found different units that aren't better but just marine equivalents that do different things than the SOB units. Heck, you put up a DE unit instead of a SM for the HQ.

I can and I did. You simply don't like the answer. Too bad. Yes I did give a DE HQ. Ok, here is a marine one. A captain on a bike. Makes one of the best marine units now scoring. I'd rather have a force multiplier for my army rather than an island for a character.

Your dislike has everything to do with it.

No it doesn't. I actually agreed with you that St. Celestine and Jacobus are good choices. However, in the context of the SOB codex they are the only choices...and that's not really a choice is it? Regardless...you asked for better choices and I gave them...you simply don't like the answer. Period. Which leads too...

Mine is not blind love.

This.

I actually play games with them in the 'current meta' and do well.

Good for you. But your 'Argument from Authority' fallacy won't work here.

I have openly discussed the areas that are lacking in the codex (lackluster troops, nonSC HQs are bad, Elites have no good units) but there is still a lot that is good.

So have I...and when you take out all those choices you are left with no choice and thus only have 4 maybe 5 units in the book worth taking...and that's good? That makes the army viable? Again...if you are running horde SOB or AV11 SOB...marines and even chaos marines can do it better because they have better units to do it. Period. And if that's the case...then why aren't we seeing those lists doing well and placing in the top GT events?

Maybe take a look at tactics rather than deriding the codex?

Ah...yes...this tired statement. Of course! It's my tactics...that must be it. :groan: No Pretre...I'd rather shelf the army and play one that actually has unit choice, works cohesively..and isn't a POS, thanks...and I'm sure I'm not the only SOB player saying that.

 Davespil wrote:

Jusat kidding. When does the White Dwarf come out?

Three days.

This is where we are told that we can just add Tigurius to fix that problem.

Just like we are told that St. Celestine cures cancer in an SOB list. Rolling a 3+ is pretty good odds of getting a unit you need. Want better? Tigurius? Why not? The guy is probably the best HQ choice in that book for TAC style play. Or you can add a comms relay to a bastion or aegis. Or you can use scriers gaze.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
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You know what? I've already gone round with you on this in jy2's thread and I'm not going to do it again. You don't like the book. Great. Enjoy playing whatever army you do like.

 Davespil wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Haemonculus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, regarding the constant droning about the cover art belonging to FFG, WRONG: Yes it is from Dark Heresy, but the Inquisitor's Handbook, where the cover art is taken from, was NOT a FFG publication at first, but a Black Industries release, before GW got wise and cancelled the whole thing and let FFG take it over.

I pointed that out last page.

Ooh, sorry! Please don't bane me!

In all seriousness, sorreh about that, but thankfully great minds think alike.

So do terrible ones...

Jusat kidding. When does the White Dwarf come out?

Saturday. It's going up early so the devs can discuss the releases at Games Day UK.

Great. Enjoy playing whatever army you do like.

Hey. Cool. Thanks for your permission.

Got my hopes up here for some sisters love but a stopgap measure after a stopgap measure means they're still technically on the path to oblivion model wise. Enjoy your distraction SoB players. I really wish they just hand the range to forge world chaos dwarves style at least then there'd be a real update and not just these false glimmers of hope and newly developed army squatting techniques.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Got my hopes up here for some sisters love but a stopgap measure after a stopgap measure means they're still technically on the path to oblivion model wise. Enjoy your distraction SoB players. I really wish they just hand the range to forge world chaos dwarves style at least then there'd be a real update and not just these false glimmers of hope and newly developed army squatting techniques.

And people say the Sisters players are the depressing ones. Have SOME faith.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Got my hopes up here for some sisters love but a stopgap measure after a stopgap measure means they're still technically on the path to oblivion model wise.

You mean the state they've been in since the 2nd edition codex? Yeah, really headed off to oblivion here...

newly developed army squatting techniques.

Nice try.

Well, this was entertaining.

And for those of you starved for SoB models, there should be an offering from Raging Heroes around 2015, so fear not!

I'll be waiting a couple of months to see if they decide to do a print run. If they do, I'll buy it, if they don't, I'll get the digital one. Although a print of those rules would leave them thinner than a Yoko Tsuno album...

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for those of you starved for SoB models, there should be an offering from Raging Heroes around 2015, so fear not!

Although I'm interested, I'm also a bit wary after reading through the current KS thread for RH.

I think the other problem for RH is that a lot of folks who play SOB have plenty of models. RH really needs the codex to pop right around when they launch the KS, then it would take off.

Ooh this makes me exited, now if only we could get plastics...

 CommanderRyalis wrote:
Ooh this makes me exited, now if only we could get plastics...

Conspiracy theory of the day: Maybe this digital release is to test the waters and check current demand...

 pretre wrote:

 CommanderRyalis wrote:
Ooh this makes me exited, now if only we could get plastics...

Conspiracy theory of the day: Maybe this digital release is to test the waters and check current demand...

That would make a lot of sense, actually.

Although this is GW we're talking about.

Way! Some good news for Sisters!

Now I just need to find out more about that Blood Angels picture!

Sisters of Battle players are the hipsters of the 40K Universe.

The Dark Eldar enthusiasts have been placated.
The Necron players have been more than sated.
The Black Templar faithful have been brushed aside.
And all that remains are the blessed Sisters of Battle…

Oh, how the cruel devils at GW must delight in their torture. As they teeter on the brink of being squatted; consuming every morsel of every rumor that the wicked internet taunts them with. Enduring the scorn of every player with a current army list. Suffering through every indignity possible as a new codex releases.

And for what? A White Dwarf Update? For the all-powerful Warlord traits? For the possibility of a skyfire unit?

I must apologize for so terribly waxing poetic at your misfortune. I have endured far more Dostoevsky than my small brain can handle. I must now hide in the corner, devour whole kittens, and drool on myself until I can stomach more of ‘Notes from Underground’…

The good thong is, since they dont sell the models they dont benefit from op treatment of a few units, like they did with the daemon codex wd update that shot flamers and screamers through the roof.
(unless they make a serafim finecast box for a grand price tag to go with this months release

 Davespil wrote:
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Meh, 5/10. You had some good points but it was largely too OTT.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, this was entertaining.

And for those of you starved for SoB models, there should be an offering from Raging Heroes around 2015, so fear not!

I'll be waiting a couple of months to see if they decide to do a print run. If they do, I'll buy it, if they don't, I'll get the digital one. Although a print of those rules would leave them thinner than a Yoko Tsuno album...

I still don't understand the idea of waiting for Raging Hero models which look absolutely nothing like sisters of battle.. I guess they're women with guns? But 40k is all about its "look".

 Kirasu wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, this was entertaining.

And for those of you starved for SoB models, there should be an offering from Raging Heroes around 2015, so fear not!

I'll be waiting a couple of months to see if they decide to do a print run. If they do, I'll buy it, if they don't, I'll get the digital one. Although a print of those rules would leave them thinner than a Yoko Tsuno album...

I still don't understand the idea of waiting for Raging Hero models which look absolutely nothing like sisters of battle.. I guess they're women with guns? But 40k is all about its "look".

I think people are talking about these ones, not the Toughest Girls of the galaxy :

http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/1447582-the-orphanage-of-the-sisters-of-eternal-mercy

No, I think we're aware. But the idea is why would you start a whole new design aesthetic for your army without a new book. It kinda relies on new folks trying out SOB when there's no reason to start SOB.

 pretre wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
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Meh, 5/10. You had some good points but it was largely too OTT.

I agree. It was very contrived.

 Erzanj wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, this was entertaining.

And for those of you starved for SoB models, there should be an offering from Raging Heroes around 2015, so fear not!

I'll be waiting a couple of months to see if they decide to do a print run. If they do, I'll buy it, if they don't, I'll get the digital one. Although a print of those rules would leave them thinner than a Yoko Tsuno album...

I still don't understand the idea of waiting for Raging Hero models which look absolutely nothing like sisters of battle.. I guess they're women with guns? But 40k is all about its "look".

I think people are talking about these ones, not the Toughest Girls of the galaxy :

http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/1447582-the-orphanage-of-the-sisters-of-eternal-mercy

I just see sketches.. I don't know, as pretre said what's the purpose of people starting a brand new SOB army? The book is boring and the army isn't getting any new players, thus you rely on people who already have an army.. very few 40k players will want to have an army 2 completely different looking halves.

Might as well wait for a new book with new models, then IF the raging heroes stuff is out (IF) you can buy a ton of them.. assuming they're squad based and not just a few individual models

 pretre wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for those of you starved for SoB models, there should be an offering from Raging Heroes around 2015, so fear not!

Although I'm interested, I'm also a bit wary after reading through the current KS thread for RH.

I think the other problem for RH is that a lot of folks who play SOB have plenty of models. RH really needs the codex to pop right around when they launch the KS, then it would take off.

I've got 3.5K points of Sisters for instance. I only need a few more and I can drop 60 BSS Sisters on the table at the same time!

Exactly. Most sisters players I know don't need more. They might buy more if there are plastics, but that's just because plastics are cool.

 pretre wrote:
Exactly. Most sisters players I know don't need more. They might buy more if there are plastics, but that's just because plastics are cool.

Well that and plastics means more bits and easier conversions!

Meanwhile, I have a grand total of 11 SoB miniatures. Unable to find any more. Although to be fair I haven't looked in a bit because I couldn't afford them at the moment. So please, no snarky list of 157 eBay links.

And no, I really was referring to TGG, but more as swipe at their delays in release. The "Nuns with guns" KS, if it ever happens, will definitely not release stuff by 2015.

SoB were my first ever game of W40K. I loved them from that moment. For the reasons pretre gave a couple of pages ago, I think they can be a good army. They certainly made short order of my Deathwing last time I played against them.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Meanwhile, I have a grand total of 11 SoB miniatures. Unable to find any more. Although to be fair I haven't looked in a bit because I couldn't afford them at the moment. So please, no snarky list of 157 eBay links.

And no, I really was referring to TGG, but more as swipe at their delays in release. The "Nuns with guns" KS, if it ever happens, will definitely not release stuff by 2015.

SoB were my first ever game of W40K. I loved them from that moment. For the reasons pretre gave a couple of pages ago, I think they can be a good army. They certainly made short order of my Deathwing last time I played against them.

I bought most of my collection direct from GW in parts actually. It's not cheap, but it's still better than collecting on of the all metal Guard armies.

I traded and bought 2nd hand on everything. Not a single model is brand new. Managed to have little over 3k of points now. If the digital release happens ill be happy, new plastics come out, Ill buy more. Im content.

Yeah, most of mine is 2nd hand. I bought the set with the shrine waaaaay back in the day and bits ordered a bunch back when you could do that. But pretty much for the last 10 years, it has all been second hand.

I'm not super enthused about having to lug around that much metal. I know I have a car now, but it still sounds like a hassle.

And I may be an outlier here, so sue me. But the super grimdark vibe is getting a little thick. Dreamforge has offered me an out for my IG and I haven't been tempted to look back. I'm not dissing on anyone for liking it. Far from it, I think the more diverse the merrier. I just think I could get into women with guns without heavy gothic imagery.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm not super enthused about having to lug around that much metal. I know I have a car now, but it still sounds like a hassle.

? I don't even know what to say. You're already carrying around minis. SOB aren't really that much heavier or harder to carry.

I just think I could get into women with guns without heavy gothic imagery.

I don't want this to sound dick-ish, but isn't that Infinity?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Meanwhile, I have a grand total of 11 SoB miniatures. Unable to find any more. Although to be fair I haven't looked in a bit because I couldn't afford them at the moment. So please, no snarky list of 157 eBay links.

If it makes you feel any better I have a grand total of one sister. I wasn't really looking to get into the army though, just a random 50 cent paintable. I might consider the actual army if starting it wasn't so convoluted...and I had a spare fortune for another army

I love the sisters and their short range firefight niche, would love a dex update no matter how trivial but I'm not remotely interested in a digital release. A hard copy I would shell out for faster than you can say unreconstructed nun.

 troy_tempest wrote:
I'm not remotely interested in a digital release. A hard copy I would shell out for faster than you can say unreconstructed nun.

I'm curious about this opinion.

So for me: I have the two white dwarfs which sit on the shelf or in the bottom of my gaming bag. I have a scanned, printed (with neato cover) copy of the actual pages which I carry with me and use for games.

So getting a digital edition means that I will have a slightly different printed version and a backup copy on my computer. Granted, mine suffers more wear and tear but a digital release really doesn't sound that bad.

I'm getting kinda bored with nothing new. Whilst i play occasionally, im more in it for the painting/collecting side, and with no models, lore or any info on what happening with the army kinda depresses me.

They are my first and only 40k collection aside from afew Dark eldar. Maybe this "new" dex will surprise me, but i think not.

 pretre wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm not super enthused about having to lug around that much metal. I know I have a car now, but it still sounds like a hassle.

? I don't even know what to say. You're already carrying around minis. SOB aren't really that much heavier or harder to carry.

I just think I could get into women with guns without heavy gothic imagery.

I don't want this to sound dick-ish, but isn't that Infinity?

You could say I'm lazy. I'm still in my "has to be as light as possible" mentality. I got a Deathwing specifically because it was highly portable. I regret that choice, you don't even have to laugh.

Why would you sound dick-ish? Got something on your conscience? Infinity is a skirmish game, one into which I'll never be able to shift my friends into. I already have Infinity armies, one of them fairly feminine thanks to Statuesque miniatures. I just like the idea of an order of militarized women. And yes, if I were good enough I would use repentia count-as and penitent engine count-as to remove a bit of the "sin and repentance" which doesn't suit my personal taste.

To go back to the dick-ish qualifier... isn't that my job, as a Canadian, to be overly polite? It's a forum, I'm a big boy.

While I prefer hardback books, I cant complain about a digital release of an army I play and love.

 pretre wrote:
Conspiracy theory of the day: Maybe this digital release is to test the waters and check current demand...

I doubt it. The models are still awkward to collect, so it's not really a perfect measure of demand. I view this more as them being taken off of the backburner and back into being an "proper" army. Now that the plastics are possible, it makes sense to start selling SoB rules again and to possibly get people interested in them.

And, as has been said in the past, GW is likely quite aware that there is demand for them.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for those of you starved for SoB models, there should be an offering from Raging Heroes around 2015, so fear not!

I'm fairly sure we'll have real SoB models before then, if not around the same time.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Conspiracy theory of the day: Maybe this digital release is to test the waters and check current demand...

I doubt it. The models are still awkward to collect, so it's not really a perfect measure of demand. I view this more as them being taken off of the backburner and back into being an "proper" army. Now that the plastics are possible, it makes sense to start selling SoB rules again and to possibly get people interested in them.

Right, that's what I'm saying. Not that this is a booster for existing models. Simply do a count of how many rule books you sell and multiply it by average sale per codex that they have somewhere and bingo.

I'm fairly sure we'll have real SoB models before then, if not around the same time.

Ha! Ever the optimist. I've been saying that for 10 years.

To expand on Petre's point about them using it to measure demand, it could also potentially tell them how much they need for the release so we don't see a Tau or Eldar sellout again. I'm willing to bet that the number will get padded just in case to ensure that too.

Now we're all crazy. GW doesn't plan that much ahead.

Deja Vu.... I remember pretty much the same conversation when the WD codex was released =)

 pretre wrote:
I've been saying that for 10 years.

Ah, but has GW?

ClockworkZion wrote:
To expand on Petre's point about them using it to measure demand, it could also potentially tell them how much they need for the release so we don't see a Tau or Eldar sellout again. I'm willing to bet that the number will get padded just in case to ensure that too.

As long as I can read the damn thing, I'll certainly buy it. I'm very curious to see that warlord table, and whatever else they might have added/tweaked. And hey, I like the idea of helping the Sisters out. Maybe it really will work something like you said, I don't want to have to deal with shortages.

 pretre wrote:
Now we're all crazy. GW doesn't plan that much ahead.

Probably not, but I'm willing to bet that they may be concerned about lost sales to because people cancelling their orders when the stuff sold out before pre-ordering was even done.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I've been saying that for 10 years.

Ah, but has GW?

Yep.

I haven't read the whole thread, mostly cos I'm not into sisters, so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but there are a lot of questions regarding formats. If you buy it in ePub or mobi formats, there's plenty of free conversion software out there to make it whatever you want to be. Have a look at stanza for a free ebook management and conversion tool.

 pretre wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I've been saying that for 10 years.

Ah, but has GW?

Yep.

Huh? They've only ever said that they've had modelling issues with the Sisters, making them unable to do them in plastic. Other than vague assurances of "one day", this has basically been them saying "not now". But then, at Enter the Citadel, they went and said that the tech was there to make the plastics, so we actually have reason to believe that the plastics are coming, now.

And it does tie in nicely with this mini-update, when you think about it. The plastics are possible, which likely prompted said mini-update.

I'm fairly sure we'll have real SoB models before then, if not around the same time.

Ha! Ever the optimist. I've been saying that for 10 years.

GW has been saying off and on (both through official and unofficial) that Sisters were just a bit off for 10 years (15-20 really, but they were right a couple times).

 pretre wrote:

I'm fairly sure we'll have real SoB models before then, if not around the same time.

Ha! Ever the optimist. I've been saying that for 10 years.

GW has been saying off and on (both through official and unofficial) that Sisters were just a bit off for 10 years (15-20 really, but they were right a couple times).

I'm guessing that would be every time they were trying to update them but where having issues making the casting work.

"We got new casting equipment!"

"Cool, let's see if we can cast these Sisters we've been trying to make!"

*cue failure*

Or something like that.

As much as I hope this is real... I am reserving a hearty helping of skepticism on this. We shall see when the WD releases but today my doubts are a bit more reinforced.

Anyone else notice that the "leak" cover art is the same as the Dark Heresy Inquisitors Handbook?

 edweird wrote:
As much as I hope this is real... I am reserving a hearty helping of skepticism on this. We shall see when the WD releases but today my doubts are a bit more reinforced.

Anyone else notice that the "leak" cover art is the same as the Dark Heresy Inquisitors Handbook?

Yes and we have talk about it for a while now.

 edweird wrote:
As much as I hope this is real... I am reserving a hearty helping of skepticism on this. We shall see when the WD releases but today my doubts are a bit more reinforced.

Anyone else notice that the "leak" cover art is the same as the Dark Heresy Inquisitors Handbook?

Doesn't matter, GW owns the actual art and can use it how they see fit. And as it kind of fits the 6th Ed feel and they haven't used it yet I don't blame them for recycling it. Additionally it's not as if we should expect them to use new art on what is (at best) a reworked product.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 edweird wrote:
As much as I hope this is real... I am reserving a hearty helping of skepticism on this. We shall see when the WD releases but today my doubts are a bit more reinforced.

Anyone else notice that the "leak" cover art is the same as the Dark Heresy Inquisitors Handbook?

Doesn't matter, GW owns the actual art and can use it how they see fit. And as it kind of fits the 6th Ed feel and they haven't used it yet I don't blame them for recycling it. Additionally it's not as if we should expect them to use new art on what is (at best) a reworked product.

Techincally it could be argued it is new artwork as the two guys at the bottom have been replaced by two battle sisters.

 Erzanj wrote:
I think people are talking about these ones, not the Toughest Girls of the galaxy :

http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/1447582-the-orphanage-of-the-sisters-of-eternal-mercy

I don't like what we've seen of those so far. I want paladins, not nuns.

 Necrosis wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 edweird wrote:
As much as I hope this is real... I am reserving a hearty helping of skepticism on this. We shall see when the WD releases but today my doubts are a bit more reinforced.

Anyone else notice that the "leak" cover art is the same as the Dark Heresy Inquisitors Handbook?

Doesn't matter, GW owns the actual art and can use it how they see fit. And as it kind of fits the 6th Ed feel and they haven't used it yet I don't blame them for recycling it. Additionally it's not as if we should expect them to use new art on what is (at best) a reworked product.

Techincally it could be argued it is new artwork as the two guys at the bottom have been replaced by two battle sisters.

Good point. Thanks magic of photoshop!

Remember, the cover for the Chaos Space Marines codex is also recycled art, so this isn't something new for GW:

 BrookM wrote:
Remember, the cover for the Chaos Space Marines codex is also recycled art, so this isn't something new for GW:

Spoiler:

Very much this. People who are claiming the possibility of the Sisters getting updated based on the art are missing that fact I think. Or ignoring it intentionally. Or trolling. Take your pick.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Remember, the cover for the Chaos Space Marines codex is also recycled art, so this isn't something new for GW:

Spoiler:

Very much this. People who are claiming the possibility of the Sisters getting updated based on the art are missing that fact I think. Or ignoring it intentionally. Or trolling. Take your pick.

Wait, what?

End of the day, if this is real, this is nothing more than a stop-gap measure, meaning that an actual release is at the very least still a year out. I have friends who claim that the new release is going to happen any week now, but so far, not buying it. They also claim that this is a teaser of what is to come early next year. As mean-spirited and evil as some people like to portray GW, I don't see them as being so super-evil that they would issue a digital reprint of the codex, only for it to be replaced by a whole new codex just a few months later. If anything, this is a clear sign that the real dead tree codex is still quite some time out.

 Necrosis wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Remember, the cover for the Chaos Space Marines codex is also recycled art, so this isn't something new for GW:

Spoiler:

Very much this. People who are claiming the possibility of the Sisters getting updated based on the art are missing that fact I think. Or ignoring it intentionally. Or trolling. Take your pick.

Wait, what?

I've seen a number of claims (especially on /tg/ where the source image for the rumor comes from) that the rumor is "obviously faked" because the image is reused from the Inquisitor's Handbook. People who claim this are either unaware of GW reusing art (not to mention the fact that it's their art, not Fantasy Flight's), or choosing to ignore that fact and take the pessimistic route on this, or are trolling people who hope it's real. Or something.

It could still be fake for all we know, but I'll find out tomorrow hopefully, when the store gets the new Dorfs.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Remember, the cover for the Chaos Space Marines codex is also recycled art, so this isn't something new for GW:

Spoiler:

Very much this. People who are claiming the possibility of the Sisters getting updated based on the art are missing that fact I think. Or ignoring it intentionally. Or trolling. Take your pick.

Wait, what?

I've seen a number of claims (especially on /tg/ where the source image for the rumor comes from) that the rumor is "obviously faked" because the image is reused from the Inquisitor's Handbook. People who claim this are either unaware of GW reusing art (not to mention the fact that it's their art, not Fantasy Flight's), or choosing to ignore that fact and take the pessimistic route on this, or are trolling people who hope it's real. Or something.

Oh, that makes sense. I suggest you read what you wrote previously. You will realize you might have forgotten a word or a few letters (that or im starting to go blind).

 BrookM wrote:
It could still be fake for all we know, but I'll find out tomorrow hopefully, when the store gets the new Dorfs.

We've got some people putting their reps on the line and claiming it's real but you never know with that I guess.

Either way I haven't been stressing it since we'll know by this weekend one way or the other.

 BrookM wrote:
End of the day, if this is real, this is nothing more than a stop-gap measure, meaning that an actual release is at the very least still a year out. I have friends who claim that the new release is going to happen any week now, but so far, not buying it. They also claim that this is a teaser of what is to come early next year. As mean-spirited and evil as some people like to portray GW, I don't see them as being so super-evil that they would issue a digital reprint of the codex, only for it to be replaced by a whole new codex just a few months later. If anything, this is a clear sign that the real dead tree codex is still quite some time out.

If they kept it digital only they could use their always up to date policy for digital codexes and give you a free or discounted upgrade to the full codex when it comes out. However that wouldn't fit GW's recent modus operandi as it is dangerously close to giving the customer something for free.

If this is true and the hardback version of the codex is months away then this will be the first digital codex that I actually buy. I'm waiting till I see the actual White Dwarf with it in but if its true then next month I'm getting a whole load of new stuff for my Sisters.

 BrookM wrote:
End of the day, if this is real, this is nothing more than a stop-gap measure, meaning that an actual release is at the very least still a year out. I have friends who claim that the new release is going to happen any week now, but so far, not buying it. They also claim that this is a teaser of what is to come early next year. As mean-spirited and evil as some people like to portray GW, I don't see them as being so super-evil that they would issue a digital reprint of the codex, only for it to be replaced by a whole new codex just a few months later. If anything, this is a clear sign that the real dead tree codex is still quite some time out.

Don't forget that the Daemons had a WD mini dex last year about this time(in August if I recall), only to get a whole new dex in Feb this year.(One that neutered the recently buffed flamers pretty good)

 l0k1 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
End of the day, if this is real, this is nothing more than a stop-gap measure, meaning that an actual release is at the very least still a year out. I have friends who claim that the new release is going to happen any week now, but so far, not buying it. They also claim that this is a teaser of what is to come early next year. As mean-spirited and evil as some people like to portray GW, I don't see them as being so super-evil that they would issue a digital reprint of the codex, only for it to be replaced by a whole new codex just a few months later. If anything, this is a clear sign that the real dead tree codex is still quite some time out.

Don't forget that the Daemons had a WD mini dex last year about this time(in August if I recall), only to get a whole new dex in Feb this year.(One that neutered the recently buffed flamers pretty good)

Not the same thing though, as that was a free booklet to go with the White Dwarf, this on the other hand is most likely a purchase of around the same price as a digital supplement.

 BrookM wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
End of the day, if this is real, this is nothing more than a stop-gap measure, meaning that an actual release is at the very least still a year out. I have friends who claim that the new release is going to happen any week now, but so far, not buying it. They also claim that this is a teaser of what is to come early next year. As mean-spirited and evil as some people like to portray GW, I don't see them as being so super-evil that they would issue a digital reprint of the codex, only for it to be replaced by a whole new codex just a few months later. If anything, this is a clear sign that the real dead tree codex is still quite some time out.

Don't forget that the Daemons had a WD mini dex last year about this time(in August if I recall), only to get a whole new dex in Feb this year.(One that neutered the recently buffed flamers pretty good)

Not the same thing though, as that was a free booklet to go with the White Dwarf, this on the other hand is most likely a purchase of around the same price as a digital supplement.

While not exactly the same thing it is something that is being released and will be replaced with a new dex, which you said you didn't see GW being so evil as to do. The daemon mini dex served the same purpose this digital dex serves, a stop gap. Something that says "Hey don't sell those armies yet! Here's some rules to mess around with while we get the real thing ready." The difference is the daemon dex was released before GW started doing more digital releases and WD got its over haul. I personally think it will be at least a year before the hardback and new models are released though.

A year is optimistic, i think that IF sisters get redone it will be one of the last to be redone,

I've always believed that all branches on the inquisition should be rolled into one dex including gk sisters and deathwatch

Troike wrote:Not sure it's real. Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork, and the misspelling of "Adepta Sororitas". [...] Right, that and the fact it's from a third-party, Fantasy Flight. I don't think that GW lifts art from other companies who've borrowed its IP as codex cover art.

edweird wrote:Anyone else notice that the "leak" cover art is the same as the Dark Heresy Inquisitors Handbook?

Actually, that's not BL/FFG artwork. Notice the other two Sisters in the background? For the Inquisitor's Handbook cover, Dark Heresy used existing images and merely photoshopped their own characters from the DH main rulebook over the other two Sisters.



Sidenote: the Dark Millennium TCG is chock-full of cool artwork. anyone who likes SoB art should give this a looksee, as the German version of the article has a complete gallery of the cards. Here's another cool one:

Oh, and GW people have at times written "Adeptus Sororitas" before, so it could be a genuine mistake. As Kroothawk pointed out, in the German localisation that term even made it on the Codex cover (blame the translators), and I believe it still is the official German name of this army to this very day.

pretre wrote:Secondly, they are still competitive now, even without warlord traits.

To be fair, the army needs to stop forcing everyone to use SCs. The Canoness nerf is a major issue that needs to be dealt with.

Troike wrote:I've also got my suspicions about that Chapter Approved stamp on there. Would that really be on a digital codex release? I thought those were just for White Dwarf stuff? Surely, a digital codex would itself be valid?

The Chapter Approved stamp is for anything that Games Workshop considers a legal army list for its tournaments. White Dwarf wasn't the only source where it was used. WD is where most CA stuff comes from nowadays, but that's just because (aside from FW books) there are no other publications anymore.

Admittedly, I too would have thought that the title "Codex" makes it redundant, but it may be GW's way to make sure people regard it as legal even though it's just a download rather than a real book. The WD Codex had the Chapter Approved stamp as well, after all.

Troike wrote:I doubt it. The models are still awkward to collect, so it's not really a perfect measure of demand. I view this more as them being taken off of the backburner and back into being an "proper" army.

GW could alleviate that awkwardness at any given moment simply by re-introducing the 10-girl boxes and selling them for a normal price. Apparently it's perfectly possible for metal IG who cost a whopping 20 pence per mini more than plastic Cadians. All that's missing is the will to do so.

 Lynata wrote:
GW could alleviate that awkwardness at any given moment simply by re-introducing the 10-girl boxes and selling them for a normal price. Apparently it's perfectly possible for metal IG who cost a whopping 20 pence per mini more than plastic Cadians. All that's missing is the will to do so.

Well, if you believe other rumours, all that is missing would be metal casting equipment. Most probably the warehouses are running out of metal models, or they don't have enough equipment to keep a reasonable production level.

That would be worrisome, as it'd mean even the basic Battle Sister would eventually run out and they are artificially inflating the cost to make people field smaller or fewer armies of them.

On the other hand, it'd also mean they at least sold better than metal Valhallans or Iron Guard.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
GW could alleviate that awkwardness at any given moment simply by re-introducing the 10-girl boxes and selling them for a normal price. Apparently it's perfectly possible for metal IG who cost a whopping 20 pence per mini more than plastic Cadians. All that's missing is the will to do so.

Well, if you believe other rumours, all that is missing would be metal casting equipment. Most probably the warehouses are running out of metal models, or they don't have enough equipment to keep a reasonable production level.

Metal cast equipment hasn't gone away, GW just casts smaller runs of the metal models is all. If they didn't have the equipment anymore ALL metal models would be in danger of running out.

iirc the rumours were about the SoB moulds being broken or something, but ... yeah, rumours.

Oh, and I forgot to mention this in my last post - there's no problem using the digital downloads on a Windows PC. I did have to download a new reader (freeware) due to this ridiculous non-standard file format they are using, but it's not much of a hassle, so rest assured that the format won't keep you from reading the file.

.mobi and epub are non standard? They seem to be pretty widespread, though maybe less so than .pdf.

 Lynata wrote:
iirc the rumours were about the SoB moulds being broken or something, but ... yeah, rumours.

Oh, and I forgot to mention this in my last post - there's no problem using the digital downloads on a Windows PC. I did have to download a new reader (freeware) due to this ridiculous non-standard file format they are using, but it's not much of a hassle, so rest assured that the format won't keep you from reading the file.

Never saw those, and the US site has yet to start listing things as out of stock or taking anything down (I looked yesterday when someone on Warseer claimed that they were missing models). ACTUALLY the US site now has the Bolter Superior whom they haven't had in stock for a while.

Graphite wrote:.mobi and epub are non standard? They seem to be pretty widespread, though maybe less so than .pdf.

Widespread for tablets maybe, but as someone who "only" has a PC but is otherwise rather net-savvy I have never, ever heard of those formats before visiting the Black Library digital downloads section. Hell, even cbz I'm more familiar with.

PDF is the standard - it's a shame that someone at GW seems to have only looked at tablets (iOS and Kindle specifically?), but somehow I'm not surprised.

ClockworkZion wrote:ACTUALLY the US site now has the Bolter Superior whom they haven't had in stock for a while.

Aah, that's good to hear. I already speculated they may just be restocking back when people panicked about minis disappearing from the store (because that's what happened every time we were in this situation so far), but I admit I got a little worried as the situation persisted for weeks on end~

 Troike wrote:
Ah, I expected this to be here.

Not sure it's real. Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork, and the misspelling of "Adepta Sororitas".

Did you see the spelling errors in the digital SM dex? Unfortunately bad spelling is no indication of a forgery.

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

cammy wrote:
looks good,

although im hopefull that when they do the hardback version when they re-do their codex that they role the SOB, GK and Ordo Xenos into a single book. ( even if they are seperate armies)

SoB and GK are far too different to roll into a single codex, and both factions deserve their own book. Don't hold your breath on a Ordo Xenos release.

augustus5 wrote:Don't hold your breath on a Ordo Xenos release.

They announced a "Codex: Alien Hunters" back when C:WH and C: DH came out, but obviously never got around writing it. I could see Ordo Xenos work out as a sort of standalone digital mini-release with a few units you can use as Allies to any Imperial army. Inquisitors w/ retinue, Deathwatch squad, and ISTs? /OT

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

Yeah, no Hawkroot on Warseer. I tried boolean searches to see if his name pops up anywhere with Celestine or anything else on the list there and I'm not seeing it.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

Yeah, no Hawkroot on Warseer. I tried boolean searches to see if his name pops up anywhere with Celestine or anything else on the list there and I'm not seeing it.

Meh_ from here posted it in the wishlist thread. I'm getting nothing on google either. It looks waaaay too good to be true anyways. Exorcists with skyfire would single handedly break helldrakes. lol

So, either the real codex is a long way off or this is all we get. GW will say, "See? We didn't squat them!" And wipe their hands of it and be done with it. I'm not thrilled with this, but it is literally better than nothing.
I won't be excited until I see new figures.

 pretre wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

Yeah, no Hawkroot on Warseer. I tried boolean searches to see if his name pops up anywhere with Celestine or anything else on the list there and I'm not seeing it.

Meh_ from here posted it in the wishlist thread. I'm getting nothing on google either. It looks waaaay too good to be true anyways. Exorcists with skyfire would single handedly break helldrakes. lol

And every other flyer in the game.

IF this is real Excorcists with a Skyfire upgrade makes me worried that it would replace their base shooting ability.

ClockworkZion wrote:
Excorcists with Skyfire upgrades make me worried that it would replace their base shooting ability.

Even if it did? Who cares. It is still awesome.

If this list was true, SOB would rule the world.
Helldrakes? F helldrakes. We have 48" Move and Fire Ap1 Skyfire.
FMC? F FMCs. We have skyfire and interceptor.
Fragile Penitent Engines? Not anymore! We have MCs to go into our lame elite slot.
Power armor? Meet scouting sisters with AP3 torrent flamers.
You want to keep that objective? Forget it, we have a even up chance for our scoring warlord to get back up and get it.

 pretre wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
Excorcists with Skyfire upgrades make me worried that it would replace their base shooting ability.

Even if it did? Who cares. It is still awesome.

If this list was true, SOB would rule the world.
Helldrakes? F helldrakes. We have 48" Move and Fire Ap1 Skyfire.
FMC? F FMCs. We have skyfire and interceptor.
Fragile Penitent Engines? Not anymore! We have MCs to go into our lame elite slot.
Power armor? Meet scouting sisters with AP3 torrent flamers.
You want to keep that objective? Forget it, we have a even up chance for our scoring warlord to get back up and get it.

Okay, that does sound awesome and evil.

I got way too happy reading that. Evil laughing abound. Too good to be true for me.

 Lynata wrote:
GW could alleviate that awkwardness at any given moment simply by re-introducing the 10-girl boxes and selling them for a normal price. Apparently it's perfectly possible for metal IG who cost a whopping 20 pence per mini more than plastic Cadians. All that's missing is the will to do so.

I'm thinking that with the SoB, they don't see any point in putting effort into a range that they're just going to overhaul soonish anyway.

 MWHistorian wrote:
or this is all we get. GW will say, "See? We didn't squat them!" And wipe their hands of it and be done with it. I'm not thrilled with this, but it is literally better than nothing.

I don't think so. The plastics, which they've said they can now make, are yet to come. This is a stopgap for our stopgap, see, getting things ready for the big model/codex update. Because new models are possible, GW has a reason to sell their codex again. And since they're going to have to remake it to do this anyway, why not tweak it a little?

 pretre wrote:
If this list was true, SOB would rule the world.
Helldrakes? F helldrakes. We have 48" Move and Fire Ap1 Skyfire.
FMC? F FMCs. We have skyfire and interceptor.
Fragile Penitent Engines? Not anymore! We have MCs to go into our lame elite slot.
Power armor? Meet scouting sisters with AP3 torrent flamers.
You want to keep that objective? Forget it, we have a even up chance for our scoring warlord to get back up and get it.

I chuckled.

Can't see the picture.

Though coming from 4chan dosne't fill me with hope.

Well, that update would sell models.

 sing your life wrote:
Can't see the picture.

It is only visible to the faithful. Unbelievers merely see a small, nondescript square.

 sing your life wrote:
Though coming from 4chan dosne't fill me with hope.

Though some reliable sources have apparently said that they've seen it in the next WD themselves, which is highly encouraging.

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

Again, I love your optimism, but we've been hearing this for 15 years. I'm jaded because I have literally heard this before. The studio placates us with 'Oh, we're working on them' or 'Oh yeah, Jes is sculpting them and they look awesome' or whatever. And then no new models.

Updates to rules? Those happen every couple years. New models? Those have happened once. And it was like 3 or 4 metal models and two vehicle kits.

Yeah.

That is wish listing that made me very happy even if only for a brief moment.

Any/all of those changes would be pure awesome.

I remain optimistic because the other option is crushing depression and cynicism!

And the later gets so tiring.

 pretre wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

Again, I love your optimism, but we've been hearing this for 15 years. I'm jaded because I have literally heard this before. The studio placates us with 'Oh, we're working on them' or 'Oh yeah, Jes is sculpting them and they look awesome' or whatever. And then no new models.

I've looked into it quite a bit, but never once have I seen them say that the modelling issues were past. As I linked to you before, they've only ever been saying that the Sisters are having modelling issues, until recently. This all came straight from GW devs too, so it's pretty much the official word.

But then, we come to Enter the Citadel, and we're suddenly told that plastic Sisters are possible now. When have they said that before? It's only ever been comments about modelling issues holding them up, before. There's also the issue of what prompted this mini-update. They were quite happy to leave them nearly ignored for two years, but suddenly we're getting a mini-update? To me, this fits in perfectly with the Enter the Citadel comment. Now that a model update is possible, it's time to start selling the SoB rules again.

Two quick points: Forgeworld call them Adeptus Sororitas; and they recently dropped their version of the Immolator.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

Again, I love your optimism, but we've been hearing this for 15 years. I'm jaded because I have literally heard this before. The studio placates us with 'Oh, we're working on them' or 'Oh yeah, Jes is sculpting them and they look awesome' or whatever. And then no new models.

I've looked into it quite a bit, but never once have I seen them say that the modelling issues were past. As I linked to you before, they've only ever been saying that the Sisters are having modelling issues, until recently. This all came straight from GW devs too, so it's pretty much the official word.

But then, we come to Enter the Citadel, and we're suddenly told that plastic Sisters are possible now. When have they said that before? It's only ever been comments about modelling issues holding them up, before. There's also the issue of what prompted this mini-update. They were quite happy to leave them nearly ignored for two years, but suddenly we're getting a mini-update? To me, this fits in perfectly with the Enter the Citadel comment. Now that a model update is possible, it's time to start selling the SoB rules again.

Dig deeper. We have gotten mini updates and promises of 'we're working on it' MANY times over the years.

2nd Edition SOB - '97
3rd Ed book list - '98
CJ lists - '01 or so
WD List - '01
Chapter Approved Compilation - '02
C:WH - '03
C:WH on the website with slight updates - '08-ish?
WD List again - '11
Update to WD List in Digital Form? - '13

No surprise. Just because they did not say they fixed the modelling issues before doesn't mean they didn't say 'Yeah, we're working on X and we're hopeful'. They've been saying it. Add to that rumors of Plastic SOB for 15 years and you have the current state of affairs.

I'm not trying to say you are wrong. I'm just trying to cushion you from the inevitable disappointment that is at the heart of every SOB player who has lived through multiple editions waiting for new models.


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On another site, someone brought up a good point:

Remember how stupid broken the intermediate chaos daemons supplement was? I'm not saying this is guaranteed, just that I wouldn't discount GWs ability to break an army...

Ooh, that's a good point. They let this stand for a couple months and then pull the rug out from under us.

Do we have any idea how much these codexs will cost? I use BA as allies all the time and I would hate for me to not be able to because of my lack of an e reader or substantial funding.

Although if these books are reasonable priced, might pick up the SoB book too.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Do we have any idea how much these codexs will cost? I use BA as allies all the time and I would hate for me to not be able to because of my lack of an e reader or substantial funding.

Although if these books are reasonable priced, might pick up the SoB book too.

$30 - $35. Space Marines was $45. I imagine these are supplement size so closer to $30. BA would probably be $35.

If we go the Daemons book route then we'll be getting a down right BROKEN army that'll ROFL-stomp it's way into legend than is then toned down into something more reasonable later.

ClockworkZion wrote:
If we go the Daemons book route then we'll be getting a down right BROKEN army that'll ROFL-stomp it's way into legend than is then toned down into something more reasonable later.

Well, according to that quote. That's almost exactly what we'd be getting.

Nothing about that list is balanced.

 pretre wrote:
Dig deeper. We have gotten mini updates MANY times over the years.

2nd Edition SOB - '97
3rd Ed book list - '98
CJ lists - '01 or so
WD List - '01
Chapter Approved Compilation - '02
C:WH - '03
C:WH on the website with slight updates - '08-ish?
WD List again - '11
Update to WD List in Digital Form? - '13

True, but look at the times in which this happened. Mostly from '03 and backwards, a time when a lot more of models would have still been in metal, right? So the all-metal thing might not have been such an issue at that point. Things really dry up from '03 onwards, though, suggesting that at that point the Sisters were deemed low priority for whatever reason, likely due to their modelling issues.

 pretre wrote:
No surprise. Just because they did not say they fixed the modelling issues before doesn't mean they didn't say 'Yeah, we're working on X and we're hopeful'. They've been saying it.

Right, but again, plastics seem to have been the main factor in this, so that's the what I'd focus on the most. It seems that it has just been vague assurances before this. A reliable source also said in 2011 that they unsuccessfully tried to make plastics, suggesting that plastics are their big plan for the Sisters. But now, apparently, they're able to make plastics, so they can move forward on them.

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Add to that rumors of Plastic SOB

Ah, but this is a comment straight from the devs, at a public Q&A session. So I'd assign it a bit more weight than some rumour-mongerer saying that plastic Sisters are incoming.

On a related note, it's the UK Games Day soon, yes? Hopefully somebody will ask the devs about the Sisters again, and maybe bring more information to light.

Hawkroot or Kroothawk?

pretre wrote:Dig deeper. We have gotten mini updates and promises of 'we're working on it' MANY times over the years.
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To be fair, CJ wasn't really an update but experimental rules missing the Chapter Approved stamp, relying on opponent's consent.

What exactly was the update in the digital WH Codex? Aside from the missing fluff.

Troike wrote:Things really dry up from '03 onwards, though, suggesting that at that point the Sisters were deemed low priority for whatever reason, likely due to their modelling issues.

"Modelling issues", for ten years? Really? I think it's far more likely because Andy Hoare - THE advocate for anything Sororitas - has left the studio. From what I can see, none of the primary designers at GW has much of an interest in the Sisters. They probably had to draw straws as to who would be forced to write the WD 'dex. What they're missing is a champion like Andy who loves them for their fluff and style, rather than just seeing them as an adjunct stepchild of the game. Who knows, maybe he even left partially because he was unable to push for more SoB stuff.

 pretre wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
If we go the Daemons book route then we'll be getting a down right BROKEN army that'll ROFL-stomp it's way into legend than is then toned down into something more reasonable later.

Well, according to that quote. That's almost exactly what we'd be getting.

Nothing about that list is balanced.

You mean the rumors we can't seem to source, right?

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:Things really dry up from '03 onwards, though, suggesting that at that point the Sisters were deemed low priority for whatever reason, likely due to their modelling issues.

"Modelling issues", for ten years? Really? I think it's far more likely because Andy Hoare - THE advocate for anything Sororitas - has left the studio. From what I can see, none of the primary designers at GW has much of an interest in the Sisters. They probably had to draw straws as to who would be forced to write the WD 'dex. What they're missing is a champion like Andy who loves them for their fluff and style, rather than just seeing them as an adjunct stepchild of the game. Who knows, maybe he even left partially because he was unable to push for more SoB stuff.

Kelly was stated to have said that they have a few people who play Sisters in the dev department, and Cruddace has a Sisters army, so I wouldn't go as far as saying there isn't -any- interest.

And honestly, if they say they have issues casting the models they're trying to make I don't have a reason to doubt them because I have no proof of anything else. Seriously, it's not all a conspiracy you know.

 Lynata wrote:
"Modelling issues", for ten years? Really?

Yes. That's what they said in 2011. Modelling issues. I believe his exact words were that they "really wanted to crack on with the Sisters", but couldn't because of modelling problems.

 Lynata wrote:
I think it's far more likely because Andy Hoare - THE advocate for anything Sororitas - has left the studio. From what I can see, none of the primary designers at GW has much of an interest in the Sisters.

This has likely also been a factor, but I'd still put it second to the modelling issues. Ward showed us that he could write their fluff properly in the WD codex (Praxedes aside, before you say it ), Kelly expressed interest in them at Enter the Citadel, and we have three dedicated SoB players on the staff, too. It's not like there's no enthusiasm.

According to the Enter the Citadel quote, it was a matter of technology anyway. It's possible that they couldn't have made plastic Sisters before now anyway, regardless of enthusiasm.

Quick question, how long has the sister vehicles been direct order only? The immolator has been removed from FW but is still in GW online store it seems.

Neronoxx wrote:
Quick question, how long has the sister vehicles been direct order only? The immolator has been removed from FW but is still in GW online store it seems.

Sometime before I got back in the game in 5th. So pre-2008?


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Also the plastic Immolator has always been a GW product. I don't recall the FW one though. Maybe I'm forgetting it?


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Found an image of one online. Yeah I don't recall seeing that. But I wasn't keen on FW for a long while so maybe I missed it.

Here's a good one that proves that this nonsense has been going on for at least 12 years.

Feb 2001
http://www.warrealm.iwarp.com/rumors.html

1) We have various requests for more information about Codex : Sisters of Battle:

Andy Chambers replies: Codex Sisters of Battle will be released in Spring 2002, and is written by Gav Thorpe and Pete Haines.
The army is intended to be expanded beyond the pure Sisters list in 40K to include Martyrs, Redemptionists, Archo-flagellants etc. for more of a Crusade feel. We're also hoping to do a box of plastic Sisters.

Other ones:



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 Shandara wrote:
Hawkroot or Kroothawk?

Kroothawk said it wasn't him, btw.


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Another confirmation of the digidex:

 cerbrus2 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Just been flicking through the new white dwarf,

Confirm the SOB/BA Digidex?

Yes SOB and BA are mentioned SOB have new rules updated to 6th edition with Warlord traits, and BLood angels are mentioned having just new 360 degree photos and auto updating rules, Nothing else for them.

Awesome! Thanks.

Ouch, 12 years.

Well, at least the intent for plastic Sisters has been there for quite a while then.

Also, shame that, apparently, we almost got a 3E Codex:SoB before we got hijacked by the Inquisitor RPG.

ClockworkZion wrote:Kelly was stated to have said that they have a few people who play Sisters in the dev department, and Cruddace has a Sisters army, so I wouldn't go as far as saying there isn't -any- interest.

How often and how many, though? And Cruddace' army that was half unpainted, which is probably why they took his photos down from the website because it was so embarassing to have GW showcase an army with unpainted minis?

It may not be a "conspiracy", but working in a corporate employment of the gaming sector myself I am well versed with the concepts of PR and community placation. There doesn't need to be anything malicious about it, just the simple possibility that none of them really wants to commit to an army they don't find interesting. Personal preferences, something I could perfectly understand. As much as GW pricing and policies may be influenced by beancounters in the business department, I believe that the design studio itself is still manned by nerds, as it should be.

I admit that they *can* get the wording in the fluff nice, as Troike said, though. The various White Dwarf articles, from the Codex to the subsequent guides, missions and Apoc formations, all had fluff that (imho) hit the right tone, so to say.

PS: just browsing to check what they say on Warseer. Found this and lol'd:

 Troike wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Can't see the picture.

It is only visible to the faithful. Unbelievers merely see a small, nondescript square.

What? I thought I was faithful.

*sulks off to torture fallen in an attempt to become more faithful*

 pretre wrote:
Here's a good one that proves that this nonsense has been going on for at least 12 years.

Feb 2001
http://www.warrealm.iwarp.com/rumors.html

1) We have various requests for more information about Codex : Sisters of Battle:

Andy Chambers replies: Codex Sisters of Battle will be released in Spring 2002, and is written by Gav Thorpe and Pete Haines.
The army is intended to be expanded beyond the pure Sisters list in 40K to include Martyrs, Redemptionists, Archo-flagellants etc. for more of a Crusade feel. We're also hoping to do a box of plastic Sisters.

He did say "hoping", though. To me, that sounds like it was something we wanted to do, not something that he knew he could do.

 pretre wrote:
July 2013
natfka.blogspot.com/2013/07/sisters-of-battle.html‎
Phil Kelly speaks

But he's not saying that plastics are, or even might be, coming. Just that he heard that they were having issues.

Oh yeah, one last thing about the Sisters of Battle. According to Phil Kelly, the reason why they never got plastic minis was because they couldn't be plastic moulded by the current process. He wasn't really sure what the issue was, but there was something about the sculpt which meant that it could only be cast in metal.

Supports what I've been saying, in fact. Long-standing modelling issues holding them back. Straight from the mouth of a developer and quite recent.

Those other two sources are from rumour mongerers and not straight from a dev, so I'm going to stick with what Kelly said. However, what those two guys saw may have been the alleged 2011 attempt at Sisters? I think I recall Harry saying that they "weren't happy" with that attempt.

 pretre wrote:
Another confirmation of the digidex:

 cerbrus2 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Just been flicking through the new white dwarf,

Confirm the SOB/BA Digidex?

Yes SOB and BA are mentioned SOB have new rules updated to 6th edition with Warlord traits, and BLood angels are mentioned having just new 360 degree photos and auto updating rules, Nothing else for them.

Awesome! Thanks.

Woo! Thanks for keeping us updated.

So, "new rules" with warlord traits? It's more than just warlord tables, then?

Its about time they get a codex.

 Troike wrote:
He did say "hoping", though. To me, that sounds like it was something we wanted to do, not something that he knew he could do.

Splitting hairs. The most recent stuff says basically the same thing. It just outlines my point. This has been going on for at least 12 years. To think that right now is any different is just wishful thinking. Could it happen? Sure. Am I holding my breath? No, because if I was apt to do that I would have died 12+ years ago.

 pretre wrote:
Splitting hairs. The most recent stuff says basically the same thing.

How? That was just a dev making a vague statement about "hoping" to be able to make plastic Sisters. Nothing about any modelling problems, just a desire to make plastics. Which obviously didn't bear fruit. Kelly, on the other hand, explicitly says that they've had significant problems with making new SoB models, and certainly makes no inferences that they're coming, since he also says that he doesn't know exactly what's going on with that.

 pretre wrote:
To think that right now is any different is just wishful thinking.

Not quite.

http://the-responsible-one.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/enter-citadel-ask-audience-we-want-to.html

A couple of these ones got some further points. It was mentioned that originally there had been a technical problem with developing Sisters plastics, but that Games Workshop would now have the technology to be able to do them.

That's even worse. That doesn't say that they want to do them, just that they could. You are obviously very set on this and I guess that's good to have so much optimism.

I just don't want you to be crushed in a year when you're still waiting.

 Lynata wrote:
Ouch, 12 years.

Well, at least the intent for plastic Sisters has been there for quite a while then.

Also, shame that, apparently, we almost got a 3E Codex:SoB before we got hijacked by the Inquisitor RPG.

ClockworkZion wrote:Kelly was stated to have said that they have a few people who play Sisters in the dev department, and Cruddace has a Sisters army, so I wouldn't go as far as saying there isn't -any- interest.

How often and how many, though? And Cruddace' army that was half unpainted, which is probably why they took his photos down from the website because it was so embarassing to have GW showcase an army with unpainted minis?

It may not be a "conspiracy", but working in a corporate employment of the gaming sector myself I am well versed with the concepts of PR and community placation. There doesn't need to be anything malicious about it, just the simple possibility that none of them really wants to commit to an army they don't find interesting. Personal preferences, something I could perfectly understand. As much as GW pricing and policies may be influenced by beancounters in the business department, I believe that the design studio itself is still manned by nerds, as it should be.

I admit that they *can* get the wording in the fluff nice, as Troike said, though. The various White Dwarf articles, from the Codex to the subsequent guides, missions and Apoc formations, all had fluff that (imho) hit the right tone, so to say.

PS: just browsing to check what they say on Warseer. Found this and lol'd:

Yay hyperbole humor. Let's fail to take into account all the adjustments that'd have to be made anyways to make it better work with an e-reader!

We've seen Devs work on projects they don't want to do before (Ward doing Orcs and Goblins) so a "lack of interest" isn't really a theory we can bank on.


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 pretre wrote:
That's even worse. That doesn't say that they want to do them, just that they could. You are obviously very set on this and I guess that's good to have so much optimism.

I just don't want you to be crushed in a year when you're still waiting.

I've been optimistic since 2011. I refuse to be crushed!

Just got the codex early (somehow) and this is real, as well as a codex Blood angels.

 DAWARBOSS wrote:
Just got the codex early (somehow) and this is real, as well as a codex Blood angels.

You mean the WD? or the Codex? If you got the codex, we're going to need details.

 DAWARBOSS wrote:
Just got the codex early (somehow) and this is real, as well as a codex Blood angels.

How is a digital only codex already available?


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 pretre wrote:

 DAWARBOSS wrote:
Just got the codex early (somehow) and this is real, as well as a codex Blood angels.

You mean the WD? or the Codex? If you got the codex, we're going to need details.

Details nothing, we're going to need proof too!

Uh, how is devs saying that they can now get past the modelling issues "worse"? A reliable source tells us that they've been trying to do them, so why would they stop when they've got the technology to do so? And why would they not make them when we've seen in this very thread that they're still interested in updating the Sisters?

I'm not just "very set on" it, there is valid evidence to support what I'm saying. And I didn't say that they'd take a year, either. It could be 2015 when we get them.

The 'warseer' rumor thing was fake, btw.


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 Troike wrote:
Uh, how is devs saying that they can now get past the modelling issues "worse"? A reliable source tells us that they've been trying to do them, so why would they stop when they've got the technology to do so? And why would they not make them when we've seen in this very thread that they're still interested in updating the Sisters?

Because in the past they said they wanted to do them and were working on them. That just says they can. Not that they want to.

I'm not just "very set on" it, there is valid evidence to support what I'm saying. And I didn't say that they'd take a year, either. It could be 2015 when we get them.

There's been valid evidence in the past and it hasn't gone anywhere. Just because yours references them fixing the problems doesn't make it any more likely. :(

I'm sure we all believe sisters will get a new book and models, its just when.

And it's been established that they couldn't properly work on them before because of the modelling issues.

And again, really, we know that they're willing. This thread shows it, and as Zion pointed out, accusations of a lack of interest in them aren't exactly concrete evidence.

 pretre wrote:

There's been valid evidence in the past and it hasn't gone anywhere.

Where? All you linked to earlier was rumour mongerers claiming to have seen prototype plastics, which could well have been the attempt that Harry mentioned. Assuming they were even telling the truth. Meanwhile, the evidence I posted has the devs, in a public Q&A, saying that they now have the technology to do plastic Sisters.

 pretre wrote:
Just because yours references them fixing the problems doesn't make it any more likely. :(

As opposed to when they literally couldn't make the models because they didn't have the technology? I'm not understanding your logic, here. How does them gaining the ability to make plastic Sisters change nothing about the chances of getting plastic Sisters?

/shrug See you again this time next year for the plastic SOB discussion?

From Bolter and Chainsword:

Areopig wrote:I have a copy of WD and it's not a wind up. There is very little fanfare though so I don't expect much more than a new digital copy of the WD codex with a warlord table. You never know though. I'll find out when it's live on black library I guess.
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 pretre wrote:
/shrug See you again this time next year for the plastic SOB discussion?

Why not? We can make it an event with such fun games as "Purge the Heretic" and have a Tau tossing contest! Oh! I'll bring the macaroni salad!

Any idea when we can expect the digital 'dex's release? I'm eager to see what they've done with it.