Realy I think the sisters armor looks more comfortable and more practicle than a hell of a lot of other minis get, and with the design choices for 40k giving a lot to style I think it's some of GW best designs.
I expect within the 40k mindset they are made as comfortable and usable as possible with a lot of design put into aesthetics. Even lipstick I like on them, could be ritualistic easily. Looking forward to new mins !
Considering the price in aus I can't imagine the price not going down when going to plastic I think. It's about 110$ here for a basic unit of sisters D:
Apple fox wrote: Realy I think the sisters armor looks more comfortable and more practicle than a hell of a lot of other minis get, and with the design choices for 40k giving a lot to style I think it's some of GW best designs.
I expect within the 40k mindset they are made as comfortable and usable as possible with a lot of design put into aesthetics. Even lipstick I like on them, could be ritualistic easily. Looking forward to new mins !
Considering the price in aus I can't imagine the price not going down when going to plastic I think. It's about 110$ here for a basic unit of sisters D:
I just don't think people quite realize just how expensive sisters are, if they haven't purchased any direct from GW recently.
Now on the other hand, over 70 Sisters models sold for only $280 bucks on Ebay yesterday.
Thanatos73 wrote: And never mind the firsthand real world example I provided. But pictures of UFC fighters is better than real examples I guess.
There was nothing wrong with your post or your examples. I respect that. Yet the comparisons that people make in every day life or even in standard military service where people of all shapes and sizes exist don't apply here. The pictures of UFC athletes or other extremely tuned specimens are apt because they're quite far from the soccer mom or dad looks that people unconsciously think of. We're either talking about the genetically enhanced super warrior future where people are born to fight for their entire lives and do nothing every day except train or meditate about training, or fight in real combats against alien horrors and heretics for the survival of their entire species, or about the physiologal maximum that the different genders are capable of (these are not equal but I've avoided that subject). My contention is that in that scenario there isn't a necessitating need for women-specific breast armour and that a gender-inspecific armour that comes in different sizes (or probably has some auto-fit mechanism in the future) will have no real flaws in it.
Apple fox wrote: Realy I think the sisters armor looks more comfortable and more practicle than a hell of a lot of other minis get, and with the design choices for 40k giving a lot to style I think it's some of GW best designs.
I expect within the 40k mindset they are made as comfortable and usable as possible with a lot of design put into aesthetics. Even lipstick I like on them, could be ritualistic easily. Looking forward to new mins !
Considering the price in aus I can't imagine the price not going down when going to plastic I think. It's about 110$ here for a basic unit of sisters D:
I just don't think people quite realize just how expensive sisters are, if they haven't purchased any direct from GW recently.
Now on the other hand, over 70 Sisters models sold for only $280 bucks on Ebay yesterday.
:0 I didn't even see those, I been looking on ebay every week, missed a good army sold in aus being sick :( sucked so much.
I have some but hard to add to the army right now :(
You guys must be new here, arguing with Therion like that... There ought to be a sign about that somewhere. I seem to recall seeing one, once.
I am trying to get excited about this book, but really it just reminded me to sell off the auxiliary army of Sisters I have floating around. I might be able to get back into things with new and exciting plastics, but a pretty digital release is is pretty weak for my purposes. A physical copy I would buy, but a digital just doesn't cut it.
Ahhh well, a good opportunity for folks to vote with their wallets, even if it seems to be a pretty limited selection of people to sample.
Therion, real armour designed for real fighting women in real life is different from male armour. It is not smaller, it's different. You're wrong, please shut up.
On the "boobplate" argument, there's a fun discussion starting here on what is really inside those bulges, given that no human woman could fill them. I'll excerpt highlights here (if you do nothing else, scroll down to the cartoon at the end):
[Headcanon]The "boob plate" is in fact purely decorative, like the rippling muscles on a Roman general's ceremonial breastplate, a deliberate exaggeration of the Sister's femininity so that outsiders can see at once "that's not a Marine, that's a Sister!" because the Sororitas really, really, really do not want to be mistaken for those steroidal freak Astartes. The Sister's actual breasts are safely strapped down in a kind of sarashi arrangement, they're not inside the bulges on the armor.
In fact, nothing is inside the bulges: They're hollow and designed to crumple on impact so they don't form a shot trap between the breasts. The actual power armor is perfectly flat: the boobplate is just another surface decoration, like the fleur-de-lis and skulls.[/headcanon]
Lynata wrote: Heh, I guess I'm halfway where you are. Yes, I too see them as a deliberate exaggeration, and am considering that it might have been the idea of High Lord Vandire, who was responsible for transforming the backwater cult on San Leor into a superbly equipped bodyguard and enforcement detail. We can probably assume that he was a bit of a pervert as Codex fluff not only mentions that he had the Brides of the Emperor act as companions and had them "entertain him with singing, dancing, and other, more exotic, skills." Uh-oh.
So it's either that, or it was the Ecclesiarchy ordering this to be considered in the design because they wanted to make it clear that their little army isn't men under arms (Ministorum = trolls). Or perhaps it was a bit of both.
I don't think they specifically need to tie their breasts down, though, or that they even have a special piece of clothing for it. Powered armour is carried above a suit of electrically motivated fibres, and this suit alone would already limit the, uh, expansion of their bodies a bit.
Fremen suits may be a good comparison to exemplify what I mean, as they are of a similarly "piped/padded" construction (actually visible on the SoB minis too if you look closely on their legs):
I've never bought into the whole "bullet trap" theory, though. For several reasons....
- but lastly ... look between the breasts of a Sister - that area isn't just empty, but rather occupied by the lower half of the respirator apparatus, and a fairly large/thick Ecclesiarchal icon
- bonus excuse: if all else fails, it could always be assumed that such weak spots are reinforced
It does make me wonder if the "breast bowls" might not indeed be used for something else, though, if a Sister's own body does not fill them, or at least not fill them to their entirety. Electronics, perhaps? Drug compartment for painkillers? Marine armour is so huge partially because all this stuff is stored in-between the armour plating and the undersuit ... maybe for the Sisters they preserve a smaller profile because their gadgets are localised in the breasts? Crazy-sounding theory, I know. But still ...
Considering that the Sisterhood sends its Repentia into battle wearing, um, provocative garments -- even the models are a bit skimpy, let alone the artwork, which suggests they have managed to weaponize nudity-- I think it's clear that someone influential in the early days of the Adepta Sororitas had a strong appreciation for the power of the female form to distract and disconcert a male opponent.
AtoMaki wrote: Uh... I like to think that the Sisters have something useful in those breastplates. Extra sensors/armor and such.
Psienesis wrote: If we want to go with Tranzor-Z as an inspiration, they're a pair of missiles...
I think I'm with Furyo... the fusion reactor on her back doesn't have a lot of room for additional gear. Her actual assets are contained within the bodyglove/plugsuit she's wearing under the layers of ceramite.
....gotta carry spare mags for the boltgun *somewhere*.....
flamingkillamajig wrote: Back on topic or sort of. I find it would be funny if the sisters had like a cell phone on vibrate in one of their boob armor plates. It just starts vibrating. "Hold on my boob is vibrating. I gotta take this. *answers phone* Hello! *talks into boob*" Hehe.
Crimson wrote: Therion, real armour designed for real fighting women in real life is different from male armour. It is not smaller, it's different. You're wrong, please shut up.
+1
I'll just leave this here, and then abandon this off-topic conversation:
the local U.S. Army research and development facility was already building a better vest. “It was like, Duh, women are not small men,” says Archambault, who helped redesign the vests to fit the female form. “Our shoulders are more narrow, our torso length is not as long.” In trials, women wearing the redesigned vests were faster and more efficient as they ran through obstacle courses, and they reported that it made them feel safer overall. “It fits like a prom dress,” Major Yancosek says. The finished product is in the process of being issued to 24,000 female soldiers.
1. A notch in the back collar of the vest can accommodate a woman’s ponytail or bun, keeping her helmet securely in place.
2. Narrowed shoulders and armholes allow a better range of motion.
3. Darting that’s built into several sections of the vest provides a snugger fit.
4. Two inches were removed from the waistline of the vest. The new version is slightly shorter as well, making the “turtling” issues and hip bruises less likely.
5. The waistline, built for the female form, has fewer Kevlar plates and weighs 25 pounds—five pounds lighter than the original model.
Now I will admit that our military doesn't fight with the power of the breast on full display, but it does address the whole "all armor is the same" argument.
Gender-inspecific body armour is uncomfortable and can even cause injuries in the waist region. Hell, lookt at the links I posted - it drove one policewoman to seek a breast reduction because putting on her armour was painful.
Let's just assume that actual servicewomen and military R&D labs have a better understanding than male posters in an internet forum, shall we?
Locrian wrote:On the price issue, I keep seeing people say this, and I just don't understand it. Right now, Metal sisters are extremely expensive, much more than the ordinary GW line. I would be HIGHLY surprised if plastic sisters weren't cheaper.
Well, look at GW's other minis.
A squad of 10 metal Valhallan infantry cost £20.50. That is a price-per-mini 20 pence more expensive than plastic Cadian infantry.
Meanwhile, a squad of 10 plastic Tactical Space Marines cost £25.00 - more than 4 pounds more expensive than metal IG boxes. If you go for the 5 mini Combat Squad, you even get a price-per-mini of only 50 pence less than the 3 mini box of Battle Sisters.
The price differences get even more ridiculous if you look at other examples such as certain new Dark Eldar minis.
It's not a question of material - Battle Sisters are expensive now because GWwants them to be. I don't see why this should change once they get plastics; certainly, other new army releases did not work that way either.
SisterSydney wrote: On the "boobplate" argument, there's a fun discussion starting here on what is really inside those bulges, given that no human woman could fill them. I'll excerpt highlights here:
[Headcanon]The "boob plate" is in fact purely decorative, like the rippling muscles on a Roman general's ceremonial breastplate, a deliberate exaggeration of the Sister's femininity so that outsiders can see at once "that's not a Marine, that's a Sister!" because the Sororitas really, really, really do not want to be mistaken for those steroidal freak Astartes. The Sister's actual breasts are safely strapped down in a kind of sarashi arrangement, they're not inside the bulges on the armor.
In fact, nothing is inside the bulges: They're hollow and designed to crumple on impact so they don't form a shot trap between the breasts. The actual power armor is perfectly flat: the boobplate is just another surface decoration, like the fleur-de-lis and skulls.[/headcanon]
Lynata wrote: Heh, I guess I'm halfway where you are. Yes, I too see them as a deliberate exaggeration, and am considering that it might have been the idea of High Lord Vandire, who was responsible for transforming the backwater cult on San Leor into a superbly equipped bodyguard and enforcement detail. We can probably assume that he was a bit of a pervert as Codex fluff not only mentions that he had the Brides of the Emperor act as companions and had them "entertain him with singing, dancing, and other, more exotic, skills." Uh-oh.
So it's either that, or it was the Ecclesiarchy ordering this to be considered in the design because they wanted to make it clear that their little army isn't men under arms (Ministorum = trolls). Or perhaps it was a bit of both.
I don't think they specifically need to tie their breasts down, though, or that they even have a special piece of clothing for it. Powered armour is carried above a suit of electrically motivated fibres, and this suit alone would already limit the, uh, expansion of their bodies a bit.
Fremen suits may be a good comparison to exemplify what I mean, as they are of a similarly "piped/padded" construction (actually visible on the SoB minis too if you look closely on their legs):
I've never bought into the whole "bullet trap" theory, though. For several reasons....
- but lastly ... look between the breasts of a Sister - that area isn't just empty, but rather occupied by the lower half of the respirator apparatus, and a fairly large/thick Ecclesiarchal icon
- bonus excuse: if all else fails, it could always be assumed that such weak spots are reinforced
It does make me wonder if the "breast bowls" might not indeed be used for something else, though, if a Sister's own body does not fill them, or at least not fill them to their entirety. Electronics, perhaps? Drug compartment for painkillers? Marine armour is so huge partially because all this stuff is stored in-between the armour plating and the undersuit ... maybe for the Sisters they preserve a smaller profile because their gadgets are localised in the breasts? Crazy-sounding theory, I know. But still ...
Considering that the Sisterhood sends its Repentia into battle wearing, um, provocative garments -- even the models are a bit skimpy, let alone the artwork, which suggests they have managed to weaponize nudity-- I think it's clear that someone influential in the early days of the Adepta Sororitas had a strong appreciation for the power of the female form to distract and disconcert a male opponent.
AtoMaki wrote: Uh... I like to think that the Sisters have something useful in those breastplates. Extra sensors/armor and such.
Psienesis wrote: If we want to go with Tranzor-Z as an inspiration, they're a pair of missiles...
I think I'm with Furyo... the fusion reactor on her back doesn't have a lot of room for additional gear. Her actual assets are contained within the bodyglove/plugsuit she's wearing under the layers of ceramite.
....gotta carry spare mags for the boltgun *somewhere*.....
flamingkillamajig wrote: Back on topic or sort of. I find it would be funny if the sisters had like a cell phone on vibrate in one of their boob armor plates. It just starts vibrating. "Hold on my boob is vibrating. I gotta take this. *answers phone* Hello! *talks into boob*" Hehe.
Kroothawk wrote: Wake me up when we get new miniatures, not just a copy paste WD article.
But it isn't just a copy+paste. Why are people still saying this? Didn't you see the Digital Editions Facebook post? We're getting quite a bit of original content in this.
If you want to discuss the merits of male/female armour and the need or not of specialist styles and shapes to contain the female form, please take to a 40k General discussion if Sisters centered, or Dakka Discussions if general creating a new thread if necessary.
The rumor was just that they were discussing faith points and scaling, no? Nothing actually definite like 'Yes, faith points have been revised in the e-codex'.
The sad part is, all GW needs to do is release one plastic SoB box for the basic squad, and they'll sell truckloads of them. I've been watching the SoB auctions on Ebay, but they end up being just a little too pricey for me to go in on them. But that's mostly because I keep spending money on my Red Scorpions space marine legion.
I will be getting the new ebook when it comes out.
Melissia wrote: anyone have a summary of the more reliable rumors we've heard thus far about the new codex?
- Warlord Traits - Relics - Altar of War - Faith has been "looked at" in response to the scaling issue - 'Minor' point tweaks - Will probably get a physical release if it sells well enough - Released on 19th, preordering and a preview on the 12th - New artwork - New fluff
That's everything from our reliable sources, as far as I can tell. Here's the sources all in one place, though:
- White Dwarf mention
Spoiler:
- evildrcheese's talk with Robin Cruddace:
evildrcheese wrote:Spoke to Cruddence @ Games Day re SoB asking if the digital version is his WD dex. He confirmed it is, hes been involved in the writing of the warlord traits was the impression I got. He also told me they'velooked at the scaling issue for faith points and that there's been 'minor' point tweaks. Release date is for next month (October). Interestingly he said it'll probably be treat like a supplement in that if it sells well as a digital it's probably get a physical release. Spoke to someone from the digital editions stand and they confirmed it'll be for Android aswell as Ipad.
Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote:It's certainly based on the White Dwarf Sisters of Battle Codex, but with new additions to bring it in line with the new books. Things like Warlords table, new Ecclesiarchy Relics and an Altar of War. There's also new artwork and an expanded background section.
Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote:In answer to your questions - you can preorder it from the 12th, and download it on the 19th. Yup, it will work on Android and Kindle. The rules have been amended, so you certainly won't need any FAQ's to play with the codex. We haven't got any news on a physical release.
Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote:You can preorder you copy and download a preview next weekend.
Kroothawk wrote: Wake me up when we get new miniatures, not just a copy paste WD article.
But it isn't just a copy+paste. Why are people still saying this? Didn't you see the Digital Editions Facebook post? We're getting quite a bit of original content in this.
One added table, one added scenario, one 3D pic of a 10 year old mini and one more paragraph copypasted from 2nd edition Codex doesn't change the fact, that author and GW acknowledge it being basically the digital version of the 2-part WD article. And that article's function was to rob Sororitas of all its Inquisition units, so basically half its units.
I will ignore this until the originally planned full Codex with more ecclesiarchical units and new miniatures will be released, and then I will call it a release worth discussing. This digital thingy is just a sorry excuse to ignore the obvious demand for a serious army update since 2003 (that's 3 editions and 10 years and counting).
Its just an ascetic thing. Nothing to get worked up about.
Also, lots of body armor and uniforms historically do emphasize sexuality. For instance greek hoplites muscled bronze breastplates, renaisance uniforms which were adopted as fashion items, hussar cavalrymens tight breeches etc etc. All of which is more about masculinity/fashion than anything to do with practicality. Modern armies have extreme discipline which prevents soldiers modifying their uniforms for individual expression in this manner; or its done simply because of practical concerns that would put them at risk. Given that 40k is set in a high tech medieval setting its not surprising things look OTT and unpractical. I assume the power armor works since they get a 3+ armor save and I guess the ecclesiarchy is fine with them pointing out they are women. So it really isn't a big deal.
...and a reworked faith system, and points asjustments, and new fluff, and new artwork, and relics. so yes, calling it a copy+paste is definetely wrong. They've added and adjusted content, therefore it is notably different to what came before.
Kroothawk wrote: one 3D pic of a 10 year old mini and one more paragraph copypasted from 2nd edition Codex doesn't change the fact,
What? Where are you getting these from? Haven't heard anything about either of those. Source?
Kroothawk wrote: that author and GW acknowledge it being basically the digital version of the 2-part WD article.
Well... what else were you expecting? There aren't any new models, so a proper update is ruled out. But instead, they've made the rules obtainable again, and even put in work to update it a bit. This is just a stopgap for an actual update, we shouldn't expect any more from it. It serves its purpose.
Kroothawk wrote: rob Sororitas of all its Inquisition units, so basically half its units.
Good riddance, I say.
Kroothawk wrote: This digital thingy is just a sorry excuse to ignore the obvious demand for a serious army update
Alternatively, it is a stopgap for said update. And why bother doing it if their intent is to ignore the Sisters? They were perfectly capable of ignoring the complaints of SoB fans before, so its not like they're desperate to "appease" people.
Ok no trying to rain on the sister thread but don't want to open whole new thread for a question. What's the word in the blood angels edition? Is it also updated with warlord traits and relics and what not?
BlackRaven1987!! wrote: Ok no trying to rain on the sister thread but don't want to open whole new thread for a question. What's the word in the blood angels edition? Is it also updated with warlord traits and relics and what not?
You only used a male UFC athlete, and then claimed that women are the same.
Perhaps you should start another thread elsewhere if you really insist on making such unproven claims.
Ronda Rousey is the women's division's champion, and I provided a picture of her (and her previous challenger), therefore you're either lying or not paying attention. In short I've no idea what you're talking about right now, but my guess is that this is the quality of debate you try to maintain in order to increase your post count.
Celestine will be more expensive. There's no way she's getting by at 115 pts again.
Sisters will be cheaper or overhaul of faith system will give them their pts worth of faith powers. Currently they are 12.5 ppm while Marines are at 14 ppm
Faith System will scale in some way, and the system will be slightly different and or more reliable.
Will most likely be touching on and making changes to : Confessors/Preists, Henchmen Squads, Cannoness, Celestians, Repentia and Penitent Engines.
I'm expecting the inclusion of some sister specific wargear as well.
They're not going to charge us $40+ for a rehash of the WD dex. I'm pretty sure of this.
You only used a male UFC athlete, and then claimed that women are the same.
Perhaps you should start another thread elsewhere if you really insist on making such unproven claims.
Ronda Rousey is the women's division's champion, and I provided a picture of her (and her previous challenger), therefore you're either lying or not paying attention. In short I've no idea what you're talking about right now, but my guess is that this is the quality of debate you try to maintain in order to increase your post count.
TO THE MODS: How did my post get removed as spam yet all these pages are still here?
Celestine will be more expensive. There's no way she's getting by at 115 pts again.
Agreed, especially not with how she abuses "Slay the Warlord".
Kreedos wrote: Sisters will be cheaper or overhaul of faith system will give them their pts worth of faith powers. Currently they are 12.5 ppm while Marines are at 14 ppm
And models get over 30 with a heavy flamer. Marines at least balanced out by needing to pay for their weapons now, but still, the points are just too clost.
Kreedos wrote: Faith System will scale in some way, and the system will be slightly different and or more reliable.
I would love this.
Kreedos wrote: Will most likely be touching on and making changes to : Confessors/Preists, Henchmen Squads, Cannoness, Celestians, Repentia and Penitent Engines.
Henchmen squads? Do you mean Battle Conclaves?
Kreedos wrote: I'm expecting the inclusion of some sister specific wargear as well.
There is some stuff in 2nd and 3rd I'd like to see come back but I'm not putting money on this.
Kreedos wrote: They're not going to charge us $40+ for a rehash of the WD dex. I'm pretty sure of this.
Tannhauser42 wrote: The sad part is, all GW needs to do is release one plastic SoB box for the basic squad, and they'll sell truckloads of them. I've been watching the SoB auctions on Ebay, but they end up being just a little too pricey for me to go in on them. But that's mostly because I keep spending money on my Red Scorpions space marine legion.
I will be getting the new ebook when it comes out.
Living in Canada, it coasts me around $100 to make ONE SoB troop choice. I would love to start a Sister's Army. I love their fluff and back story. But let's be honest here, thows modles are ancient and are starting to show their age. For that kind of money I could collect one of the Forgeworld armies such as DeathKorps of Krieg, Chaos Dwarfs, or even a HH army and end up with something alot nicer looking to show for it.
Personally I've found that I warmed up to their design after I'd been collecting them for a while. I mean, I never thought they were BAD, but I've gotten more accepting of their looks in time.
ClockworkZion wrote: Personally I've found that I warmed up to their design after I'd been collecting them for a while. I mean, I never thought they were BAD, but I've gotten more accepting of their looks in time.
But that might be Stockholm Syndrome speaking.
I love the design of the sisters of battle, it's more that the sculpts of the models that are starting to show their age, being that most of them came from 2nd ed.
I've painted enough to realize that most of the modles look more like "Drag Queens of Battle" instead of Sisters of Battle. Some of them have some REALLY mannish faces.
I find myself in the unlikely position of feeling optimistic about the addition of relics. Cruddace did a good job (gasp!) with those in the new SM codex and I am hopeful some of that inspiration remained when he turned his hand to the Sororitas update.
And can people kindly shut up with the UFC and related discussion? Take it to the General forum, or wrestle it out between yourselves if you feel so strongly about it.
If I'm right it is still the Adeptus Ministorum symbol. they are close in appearance though. here is a comaprison, the first one is the Adeptus Ministorum, 2nd the Inquisitor symbol
Tyrs13 wrote: Anyone Notice in the Pic that the sister has the Inqusitorial I on her chest?
All branches of the Imperium (save the Marines) are represented by some variant of the Imperium "I" symbol. Sisters share theirs with the Ministranium (that is the Ecclesiarchy).
Most or many of the various Imperial organisations have the "I" as base, which I reckon stands for "Imperium". You can also see it on the Psyker minis, or rather their staffs - the Adeptus Astra Telepathica has an eye in it.
ClockworkZion wrote:All branches of the Imperium (save the Marines) are represented by some variant of the Imperium "I" symbol. Sisters share theirs with the Ministranium (that is the Ecclesiarchy).
The Imperial Guard and the Adeptus Mechanicus don't have an "I" either. I'm not sure about the Navy, but IG has a sword with wings, and the Marines have a skull with wings. It is interesting to note that the left shoulder pauldron on the Battle Sisters' Angel armour has wings as well, but with an "I" in the center. It might be the symbol of the Orders Militant, whereas the right pauldron bears the symbol of the Adepta Sororitas as a whole (the fleur-de-lis).
Edit: Got ninja'd like crazy while looking for those symbols!
conker249 wrote: If I'm right it is still the Adeptus Ministorum symbol. they are close in appearance though. here is a comaprison, the first one is the Adeptus Ministorum, 2nd the Inquisitor symbol
Yeah, it's closer to the first.
The "I" is often thought to be the Inquisitorial symbol (both starting with I of course), but the I is used in a large number of the Imperial symbols (maybe I = Imperial)
The Adeptus Astra Telepathica: Adeptus Astronomica: Adeptus Arbites: Imperial Nave:
The majority of time most people see the "I" symbol is while playing with (or against) the Inquisition forces, so it's an easy mistake to make.
ClockworkZion wrote:All branches of the Imperium (save the Marines) are represented by some variant of the Imperium "I" symbol. Sisters share theirs with the Ministranium (that is the Ecclesiarchy).
The Imperial Guard and the Adeptus Mechanicus don't have an "I" either. I'm not sure about the Navy, but IG has a sword with wings, and the Marines have a skull with wings. It is interesting to note that the left shoulder pauldron on the Battle Sisters' Angel armour has wings as well, but with an "I" in the center. It might be the symbol of the Orders Militant, whereas the right pauldron bears the symbol of the Adepta Sororitas as a whole (the fleur-de-lis).
Guard fall under the Administranium though, who I think does has an "I". But yes, the Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't use the I, but they're special.
ClockworkZion wrote:Guard fall under the Administranium though, who I think does has an "I". But yes, the Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't use the I, but they're special.
Technically, Space Marines are Administratum, too.
Come to think of it, I guess the Assassinorum doesn't have the I either...
ClockworkZion wrote:Guard fall under the Administranium though, who I think does has an "I". But yes, the Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't use the I, but they're special.
Technically, Space Marines are Administratum, too.
Come to think of it, I guess the Assassinorum doesn't have the I either...
Everybody uses the I.
Unless they can kill you, then they can do what they want...
ClockworkZion wrote:Guard fall under the Administranium though, who I think does has an "I". But yes, the Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't use the I, but they're special.
Technically, Space Marines are Administratum, too.
Come to think of it, I guess the Assassinorum doesn't have the I either...
Everybody uses the I.
Unless they can kill you, then they can do what they want...
AdMech doesn't, probably due to their affiliation with the Cult of the Machine Spirit over the Imperial Cult
ClockworkZion wrote:Guard fall under the Administranium though, who I think does has an "I". But yes, the Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't use the I, but they're special.
Technically, Space Marines are Administratum, too.
Come to think of it, I guess the Assassinorum doesn't have the I either...
Everybody uses the I.
Unless they can kill you, then they can do what they want...
AdMech doesn't, probably due to their affiliation with the Cult of the Machine Spirit over the Imperial Cult
And they can kill you, after they take all your guns and tanks away!
Well, the I-symbol doesn't have to do anything with the Ministorum or the Imperial Cult. I've not read much about the origins, but I'd assume that all those icons are way older than the Ecclesiarchy, which is pretty much the youngest of the big Imperial institutions.
Also, just about everybody can kill everyone in the Imperium, and has done so at various points in the timeline. Gotta love the politics.
Lynata wrote: Well, the I-symbol doesn't have to do anything with the Ministorum or the Imperial Cult. I've not read much about the origins, but I'd assume that all those icons are way older than the Ecclesiarchy, which is pretty much the youngest of the big Imperial institutions.
Hang on...the "I" doesnt just stand for the Imperium of Man? Awww damn, I was running under the assumption that the Imperium based organisations used the I with different additions (the eye for the Astropaths etc)
Though that might explain why the Ad-Mech use their dual Imp/Cog-God logo as they were pre-existing.
Like it how the sisters on the cover art finally have realistic... bodies as opposed to previous elements for art. Not to say that the old art wasn't bad.
Well, we can all agree on the obvious changes though?
-The saint will cost more. (unquestionably the most OP warlord in the game, and it won't stay that way.)
-Heavy bolters will cost more. (they are cheaper then anywhere else, and on a potentially rending platform its nuts.)
-Heavy Flamers will cost less. (they are more expensive then the new SM codex, and the same as the IG codex-where it is never used.)
-Cost per sister will get 1-2 points lower, unless faith rework is really extensive. (most basic infantry got a 1-2 point reduction lately, at times alongside a small buff)
-The new relics mentioned means that the Canoness (and maybe others) gets some new options.
-Altar of war is (so far) 3 non-mirrored missions who follows the army playstyle, and "hijack" the Eternal War missions.
-Penitent Engines will likely get cost reduction, or total overhaul.
-Warlord traits, so far the supplement-level ones are unimpressive, farsight for example have 2 of them being a direct downgrade of two from the "strategic" table, one who is merely a +1 to WS, 2 others mismatch the army, and only one was really good. other supplements did not have it much better.
I expect at least one, if not two of them will be faith related (reroll faith amounts, reroll faith activation, ways to gain faith, etc.). one-use traits are also popular in GW nowdays.
BoomWolf wrote: Well, we can all agree on the obvious changes though?
-The saint will cost more. (unquestionably the most OP warlord in the game, and it won't stay that way.)
-Heavy bolters will cost more. (they are cheaper then anywhere else, and on a potentially rending platform its nuts.)
-Heavy Flamers will cost less. (they are more expensive then the new SM codex, and the same as the IG codex-where it is never used.)
-Cost per sister will get 1-2 points lower, unless faith rework is really extensive. (most basic infantry got a 1-2 point reduction lately, at times alongside a small buff)
-The new relics mentioned means that the Canoness (and maybe others) gets some new options.
-Altar of war is (so far) 3 non-mirrored missions who follows the army playstyle, and "hijack" the Eternal War missions.
-Penitent Engines will likely get cost reduction, or total overhaul.
-Warlord traits, so far the supplement-level ones are unimpressive, farsight for example have 2 of them being a direct downgrade of two from the "strategic" table, one who is merely a +1 to WS, 2 others mismatch the army, and only one was really good. other supplements did not have it much better.
I expect at least one, if not two of them will be faith related (reroll faith amounts, reroll faith activation, ways to gain faith, etc.). one-use traits are also popular in GW nowdays.
Faith needs an absolute overhaul. And the living saint... I still have nightmares... Ate a laspred for 7 turns straight. Died every single turn.
The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.
BoomWolf wrote: Well, we can all agree on the obvious changes though?
-The saint will cost more. (unquestionably the most OP warlord in the game, and it won't stay that way.)
-Heavy bolters will cost more. (they are cheaper then anywhere else, and on a potentially rending platform its nuts.)
-Heavy Flamers will cost less. (they are more expensive then the new SM codex, and the same as the IG codex-where it is never used.)
-Cost per sister will get 1-2 points lower, unless faith rework is really extensive. (most basic infantry got a 1-2 point reduction lately, at times alongside a small buff)
-The new relics mentioned means that the Canoness (and maybe others) gets some new options.
-Altar of war is (so far) 3 non-mirrored missions who follows the army playstyle, and "hijack" the Eternal War missions.
-Penitent Engines will likely get cost reduction, or total overhaul.
-Warlord traits, so far the supplement-level ones are unimpressive, farsight for example have 2 of them being a direct downgrade of two from the "strategic" table, one who is merely a +1 to WS, 2 others mismatch the army, and only one was really good. other supplements did not have it much better.
I expect at least one, if not two of them will be faith related (reroll faith amounts, reroll faith activation, ways to gain faith, etc.). one-use traits are also popular in GW nowdays.
I wouldn't hold my breath for a 'Overhaul' of Pentient Engines until we get a proper update as this is gonna be the WD dex with tweaks. When we get a proper Dex I'd like to see the PE moved into Elites and be MC rather than walkers. All your other assessments seems reasonable in thcontext ofthe data we've already had. Although I do hope the Warlord traits are good and add something to the army.
Nope, looks at that org chart again: the connection between the Administratum and the Astartes is a DASHED line, indicating consultation and coordination, not a solid line meaning control.
I work with the federal government and trust me, when you see a dashed line, it means "you don't own me."
On 2nd October GW Digital Editions facebook page had got to 888 likes on their facebook page.
On the 4th October GW Digital Editions said they wanted another 100 likes to take them up to 1146 likes before they provided more info on the AS Codex.
It has now reached 2193, an increase of 1305 in 4 days. The first 888 took 5 months.
When they got the the 100 likes they wanted in a few hours they were not ready to provide more info. Guess more people are interested in the AS Codex than they expected.
Kroothawk wrote: rob Sororitas of all its Inquisition units, so basically half its units.
Good riddance, I say.
I, as well, will not miss the Inquisition. They should never have been added to the 3rdEd Sisters codex in the first place.
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Fayric wrote: The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.
The I also an be interpreted to represent "Imperium" or "Imperial", too, with much the same result.
Melissia wrote: I, as well, will not miss the Inquisition. They should never have been added to the 3rdEd Sisters codex in the first place.
I agree. However, it would be awfully nice if there would be an actual Inquisition codex too, from which you could ally Hereticus or Xenos Inquisitors without those bloody Grey Knights tagging along.
Fayric wrote: The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.
Called the fasces lictoriae ("bundles of the lictors") in Rome or more simply the fasces, the image of a bundle of rods and an axe is a very, very old symbol for power and authority from ancient times through out the Roman era. Many modern Western nations, including the United States continue to display the fasces in one context or another, especially those who wish to harken back to the days of Rome and it's ideals.
All true. Unfortunately, as with the ancient symbol of the swastika used by traditions ranging from Buddhist to Native American , the fasces got misused by people whose actions in World War II tainted it forever....
SisterSydney wrote: All true. Unfortunately, as with the ancient symbol of the swastika used by traditions ranging from Buddhist to Native American , the fasces got misused by people whose actions in World War II tainted it forever....
That's not technically correct. The original symbol was the manji, an buddhist symbol. For whatever reason, Hitler took the manji, flipped it and rotated it. Not too much of a difference, but they are called different things.
SisterSydney wrote: All true. Unfortunately, as with the ancient symbol of the swastika used by traditions ranging from Buddhist to Native American , the fasces got misused by people whose actions in World War II tainted it forever....
That's not technically correct. The original symbol was the manji, an buddhist symbol. For whatever reason, Hitler took the manji, flipped it and rotated it. Not too much of a difference, but they are called different things.
Manji is just the Japanese name for swastika, it's the same thing. Also, in Buddhism it can be used facing either direction, (though usually not angled.) (Left facing swastika is sometimes called sauwastika.)
(EDIT: also, all this might be a tad off topic...)
Ill be buying the digital, then print it for ease of use, then when the hardback book comes out buy that too. I know this is what GW are hoping people do, but I want my sisters army to flourish. I don't care if it's a stop gap. Showing support is what they want to see, ill show them my support and hope to get more future support from GW.
Crimson wrote: Frankly, while I would kill for plastic sisters, I'd prefer finecast over metal if those are the choices. Finecast is so much easier to convert.
I'd kill for Penitent Engines I could build without pinning like a crazy person.
Finecast would be a good stop gap, especially if it came in squad sized boxes (and boxed groups of heavies and specials instead of blisters).
Fayric wrote: The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.
I really like this order vs. Chaos angle you've mentioned, since I'm an old school Elric of Melnibone/ Michael. Moorcock fan.
Although I'm sure my nascent interest will be quashed shortly, I actually unboxed my Sisters for the first time in years. I forgot how much I loved that army.
It was depressing, though, that my inquisitorial land raider, chimera, stormtroopers, and henchmen are all useless. I guess that's an easy first cull for selling off if I'm furloughed much longer... but what to do with my Zealots? Sigh...
Edit- oh yeah, I can't wait to see what the eDex will bring. I really like that cover art work.
Lynata wrote:Well, the I-symbol doesn't have to do anything with the Ministorum or the Imperial Cult. I've not read much about the origins, but I'd assume that all those icons are way older than the Ecclesiarchy, which is pretty much the youngest of the big Imperial institutions.
Hang on...the "I" doesnt just stand for the Imperium of Man? Awww damn, I was running under the assumption that the Imperium based organisations used the I with different additions (the eye for the Astropaths etc)
No, no, you misunderstood!
I'm convinced the "I" stands for "Imperium" (as mentioned in an earlier post), but that it does not stand for the "Imperial Creed" - which is the religious dogma proclaimed by the Ecclesiarchy and adopted by the IoM.
SisterSydney wrote:Nope, looks at that org chart again: the connection between the Administratum and the Astartes is a DASHED line, indicating consultation and coordination, not a solid line meaning control.
I work with the federal government and trust me, when you see a dashed line, it means "you don't own me."
I don't think this is what it means - the dashed line indicates that they are technically under their control, but practically are rather independent as they do not always listen and the Imperium tends to not press the issue, preserving to keep the Chapter as an unreliable fighting organisation rather than losing them entirely.
Remember, the High Lords officially speak for the Emperor. And the Space Marines belong to the Emperor. After the Horus Heresy, the Codex Astartes as proclaimed by High Lord Guillaume was enforced "at the barrel of a gun" with at least one incident of the Imperial Navy almost opening fire on the Imperial Fists for their refusal until Dorn caved in. It's just that over the millennia, the IoM kind of lost the grip on the Astartes.
"The Adeptus Terra has never felt it necessary to enforce the Codex absolutely. Indeed it is doubtful whether it could." - WD #252 Index Astartes
I don't think that's right Lynata. Marines are only answerable to the Emperor, and thus technically to High Lords who are his proxy. But not to Administratum.
It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army
Crimson wrote:I don't think that's right Lynata. Marines are only answerable to the Emperor, and thus technically to High Lords who are his proxy. But not to Administratum.
In this relationship, I see the Administratum as proxy of the High Lords. It's not the High Lords who would personally oversee the collection of the geneseed tithe or adherence to the Codex Astartes - this is being done by the ministries, as the above quote mentioned.
It's less a "command" authority but rather an administrative one. Just like you wouldn't think of the relationship between the Imperial Guard and some Administratum clerk as one of commander and subordinate. The Administratum passes on orders from above (High Lords) and catalogues compliance with established rules.
Harriticus wrote:It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army
True dat. I keep saying that these new Supplement Codices or the White Dwarf articles would be an excellent solution for the Inquisition. An army list with Inquisitors, assassins, ISTs and Deathwatch you could tack on to any other Imperial army. The new Ally rules in 6E are ideal for add-ons of this sort!
Harriticus wrote: It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army
I wouldn't be upset about finecast... But I'd still much prefer plastics. It just seems to be the better material overall. But still, the ease of conversion will be really great either way.
BoomWolf wrote: -Warlord traits, so far the supplement-level ones are unimpressive, farsight for example have 2 of them being a direct downgrade of two from the "strategic" table, one who is merely a +1 to WS, 2 others mismatch the army, and only one was really good. other supplements did not have it much better. I expect at least one, if not two of them will be faith related (reroll faith amounts, reroll faith activation, ways to gain faith, etc.). one-use traits are also popular in GW nowdays.
Well, we're not a supplement, though. So maybe they'll be better than the supplement ones. There's also the fact that we didn't have any warlord traits to begin with, so there's nothing to downgrade from. We're getting some straight upgrades here, which is nice.
Yeah, I'm expecting one for buffing faith, which will be really useful.
inmygravenimage wrote: Apologies if this has been noted elsewhere, but I see that Kyrinov is gone from the webstore...
Yup, he's been taken off the US site completely now. No "4 weeks to despatch", no page, just gone.
I wonder if this is something that broke or a sign of Finecast Kyrinov in our future.
I somehow doubt it. Kyrinov and the Seraphim Superiors went missing a while before the big rumours started swirling. Before the dev comments ar Enter the Citadel, I mean. I could be wrong, though.
conker249 wrote: Ill be buying the digital, then print it for ease of use, then when the hardback book comes out buy that too. I know this is what GW are hoping people do, but I want my sisters army to flourish. I don't care if it's a stop gap. Showing support is what they want to see, ill show them my support and hope to get more future support from GW.
Damn right, bud. That's my plan too.
Given the reactions we've been seeing, I think the Sisters will get more than enough support from this.
The funny thing with Kyrinov is that he was removed quite awhile ago and I emailed GW about him and the superior missing(US site) The response was that they didnt know why Kyrinov was gone and why I couldnt see him on the site, explanation was a bug in my browser was messing up). While not saying anything about the superior. Few days pass and Kyrinov was back on the site. at the bottom of the HQ list. Fast foreward to 5 days ago and he was moved to the 3rd slot in the HQ list, Then he just disappeared again.
inmygravenimage wrote: Apologies if this has been noted elsewhere, but I see that Kyrinov is gone from the webstore...
Yup, he's been taken off the US site completely now. No "4 weeks to despatch", no page, just gone.
I wonder if this is something that broke or a sign of Finecast Kyrinov in our future.
I somehow doubt it. Kyrinov and the Seraphim Superiors went missing a while before the big rumours started swirling. Before the dev comments ar Enter the Citadel, I mean. I could be wrong, though.
Actually he was on a 4 week despatch last week, and is now missing completely from the US site. Not quite the same thing.
conker249 wrote: The funny thing with Kyrinov is that he was removed quite awhile ago and I emailed GW about him and the superior missing(US site) The response was that they didnt know why Kyrinov was gone and why I couldnt see him on the site, explanation was a bug in my browser was messing up). While not saying anything about the superior. Few days pass and Kyrinov was back on the site. at the bottom of the HQ list. Fast foreward to 5 days ago and he was moved to the 3rd slot in the HQ list, Then he just disappeared again.
So it might just be a screw up in the server end. Good to know.
I think Kyrinov vanished fully from the UK site, though. Never came back. But he and some of the Seraphim Superiors still hung around the sites of other countries.
At the time, we speculated that other countries may have had different levels of stock. Though it's odd that they all ran out (or nearly did) of the same models at the same time.
Found my response from GW to the Kyrinov missing June 21st
Thanks for writing in to us, although I'm not sure why Kyrinov isn't appearing on your web browser. If you search for him on the website, it shows that he is available to add to cart. Looks like he is in stock with our warehouse as well.
Sorry for the confusion, but I hope this helps.
David Monroe
Games Workshop
If they've changed Sisters of Battle to Adepta Sororitas
and thus messed around with all their web pages
then it could well be that nobody's put the new links on Kyrinov's page (especially as the old links to the page on the web now bounce to the GW homepage rather than a page not found)
Harriticus wrote: It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army
Count together all the finecast miniature releases of the last two releases, Space Marines and Dark Elves, double that and you get an idea of how many new finecast miniatures you will get in future army releases: ZERO.
So if you are hyped because GW made minor point adjustments to faith points, buy your metal and finecast models soon. They will probably be much cheaper than the plastic miniatures you will get in 2-3 years.
BTW here the ironic comment by GW Fulchester:
GW Fulchester wrote:Presenting, a tiny bit of a Sister of Battle. If you're very good, we may even show you a flash of ankle.
GW Digital Facebook wrote:We’ve been inundated with requests asking for a little bit more info on the new Adepta Sororitas book coming later in the month.
We don’t normally do this, but we’ll make you a deal: if you can help us get 100 new likes by the end of the day (up to 1146), we’ll let you see the new codex cover in all it’s glory.
Harriticus wrote: It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army
Yep, I completely agree.
They can. Allies.
Annoyingly you can't take a generic Inquistor as a HQ unit :(
Harriticus wrote: It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army
Yep, I completely agree.
They can. Allies.
Not properly. You cannot take normal Inquisitor without Grey Knights as troops, only Coteaz (of Ordo Malleus!). So you cannot have Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor without bringing along at least a squad of Ordo Malleus' super secret and rare daemon-killing marines. This is utterly idiotic (competing with Draigo's fluff and Inquisitors not having access to any force fields of the title of stupidest thing in the GK codex.)
Just had a thought(not sure if its been mentioned before here) but with the codex name change to adepta sororitas, does this mean that the allies matrix in the main rulebook is invalidated unless there is a new one or amendment in the new codex? I imagine it will be similar to how the black Templar's were dealt with in the new c:sm book....just a thought
Kroothawk wrote: Count together all the finecast miniature releases of the last two releases, Space Marines and Dark Elves, double that and you get an idea of how many new finecast miniatures you will get in future army releases: ZERO.
So if you are hyped because GW made minor point adjustments to faith points, buy your metal and finecast models soon. They will probably be much cheaper than the plastic miniatures you will get in 2-3 years.
Easy there. We're just speculating things a bit.
Also, care to explain how the patterns of REGULAR codexes affects us right now? We're not expecting a real update here, and what would GW have to really lose by moving them to Finecast for the time being (something that saves them money)?
Lynata wrote: The minis are disappearing and reappearing every couple months.
I've checked sporadically, and Kyrinov and the Seraphim Superiors never seemed to come back to the UK site. I did email them about it, but got what was really a non-answer.
But I'm not worried. Given recent events, I'm confident we'll see replacements at some point.
scrunty wrote: Just had a thought(not sure if its been mentioned before here) but with the codex name change to adepta sororitas, does this mean that the allies matrix in the main rulebook is invalidated unless there is a new one or amendment in the new codex? I imagine it will be similar to how the black Templar's were dealt with in the new c:sm book....just a thought
Nah. The Sisters weren't rolled into something else, or anything like that. They're still the Sisters, see, just bearing a different title. So we still use anything referring to "Sisters of Battle".
They might have an errata that says to change all previous references to "Sisters of Battle" to "Adepta Sororitas", though.
ClockworkZion wrote: and what would GW have to really lose by moving them to Finecast for the time being (something that saves them money)?
It'd be a bit pointless to go through the process of making finecast models if plastics are on the agenda. That's my view, anyway.
ClockworkZion wrote: and what would GW have to really lose by moving them to Finecast for the time being (something that saves them money)?
It'd be a bit pointless to go through the process of making finecast models if plastics are on the agenda. That's my view, anyway.
Hive Tyrant is a great example of a model going Finecast then getting a plastic kit a few months later. We're looking at a year or more, so it's not that pointless.
Harriticus wrote: It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army
Yep, I completely agree.
They can. Allies.
Not properly. You cannot take normal Inquisitor without Grey Knights as troops, only Coteaz (of Ordo Malleus!). So you cannot have Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor without bringing along at least a squad of Ordo Malleus' super secret and rare daemon-killing marines. This is utterly idiotic (competing with Draigo's fluff and Inquisitors not having access to any force fields of the title of stupidest thing in the GK codex.)
Yes, it's silly. Over in this Proposed Rules thread, a bunch of us tried to house-rule a sub-list of the GK book to represent a "pure" Ordo Hereticus force that Sisters could ally with as Battle Brothers instead of just Allies of Convenience, but I don't think we ever got it quite right, especially since I don't own the GK book.
It was basically
HQ = OH inquisitor but no daemonhost in retinue because, damn, Sisters do NOT LIKE THAT.
Troops = war bands
Elites = assassins
Fast Attack = um, hmmm
Heavy Support = Land Raiders
So pretty limited. I'd love any advice on how to extricate all the non-Grey Knights bits from Codex:GK and turn them into a sub-list that was at least viable for Allied Detachments.
I dont really understand why people want finecast sisters anyway. Some say conversion potential, and whilst that may be possible for afew of the mini's (seraphim, retributors) the standard sisters with bolter/flamer/melta are all 1 part, with the weapons attatched right across the body.
I for one dont want to see a mass of greenstuff boobies.. that could turn very bad....
ClockworkZion wrote: I've seen argument that a Confessor makes a decent stand-in for a Ordos Hereticus Inquisitor. Plus he gets an Invul save!
Certainly would. As well as a decent set of rules for Repentia "counts-as" Death Cult Assassins. Convert the mistress with a Storm Shield and you have a "counts-as" Crusader for a decent shot blocker. They get a dedicated transport of their own, and better rules for less points IMO.
S'jet wrote: I dont really understand why people want finecast sisters anyway. Some say conversion potential, and whilst that may be possible for afew of the mini's (seraphim, retributors) the standard sisters with bolter/flamer/melta are all 1 part, with the weapons attatched right across the body.
I for one dont want to see a mass of greenstuff boobies.. that could turn very bad....
Nobody said that they'd have to look the same as the metal ones. Finecast models could well be completely new, and multi-part too.
Nobody said that they'd have to look the same as the metal ones. Finecast models could well be completely new, and multi-part too.
No, they really couldn't. If they design new models, those will be plastic. If there's finecast, it's the old metals converted to finecast.
And it actually matters for convertability a great deal. Not all sisters have their arms in front of them, so you can make arm swaps and repositions on those. And head swaps, that metal hair on current models is just a pain to carve through.
Troike wrote: Nobody said that they'd have to look the same as the metal ones. Finecast models could well be completely new, and multi-part too.
As said, look at the abundance of new Finecast miniatures in the last 2 releases, and you know what to expect.
I don't say that discontinuing all metal and resin miniatures is a sound and rational decision, but it is GW's decision.
MWHistorian wrote: No point in finecast sisters unless they completely re-do them, and in that case, might as well just go plastic...which they need to do anyway.
10 Sister boxes, and things that don't suck to build is the point. And if you think Finecast = new than you're sadly mistaken.
I'd be ok with some finecast. In my experience with finecast the models are highly detailed and GW tends to do a good job with them. The only issue i've ever run into is a friend of mine's melted in the car on a hot day. Thats enough to scare the crap out of me, but I hear they fixed that problem.
Either way, I wasn't a fan of the Kyrinov figure anyway. it was always rather iffy in my opinion... ok, it was at least one of the weakest figures in the range. Finecast can't hurt him.
ps. likelyhood of new figures seems low. I'd be overjoyed to know i'm wrong about this though.
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S'jet wrote: I dont really understand why people want finecast sisters anyway. Some say conversion potential, and whilst that may be possible for afew of the mini's (seraphim, retributors) the standard sisters with bolter/flamer/melta are all 1 part, with the weapons attatched right across the body.
I for one dont want to see a mass of greenstuff boobies.. that could turn very bad....
Judging by the DE and HE release in fantasy, most likely everyone fears the GW Female Tax
Models with female parts cost more to produce and therefore are more expensive to sell.
5 sisters for $40 with boatload of options or 10 sisters for $60 is what we're looking at.
Finecast reprints would be a bit cheaper probably.
Personally, I love the idea of the AS army, but the lack of options in gameplay and the general lack interest on GW's part has caused me to lose any enthusiasm I would have had normally. Ideally I would be looking for an Inquisistion codex anyway where I could play my warbands without having to take Coteaz (i hate special characters)
GW probably realizes that finecast sisters have no purposes to exist.. The player base for SoB is so low that all players have their metal models, and wouldn't replace them with finecast.
New players wouldn't be willing to pay 90-100$ for 10 sisters that were remade into finecast. Cost is too high and the fact that they are old as heck models wouldn't fly very well either I imagine.
Thus, it's either new models or no models. Hopefully new models since I really like the sister on the cover of the digital release.
MWHistorian wrote: No point in finecast sisters unless they completely re-do them, and in that case, might as well just go plastic...which they need to do anyway.
10 Sister boxes, and things that don't suck to build is the point. And if you think Finecast = new than you're sadly mistaken.
Huh? Sadly mistaken? I'm agreeing with you. But, to restate it simply, no, they won't do new finecast sisters because what would be the point when they could do the same thing but better in plastic. Finecast would make zero sense.
MWHistorian wrote: No point in finecast sisters unless they completely re-do them, and in that case, might as well just go plastic...which they need to do anyway.
10 Sister boxes, and things that don't suck to build is the point. And if you think Finecast = new than you're sadly mistaken.
Huh? Sadly mistaken? I'm agreeing with you. But, to restate it simply, no, they won't do new finecast sisters because what would be the point when they could do the same thing but better in plastic. Finecast would make zero sense.
"Finecast would make zero sense". According to some people it makes zero sense for GW to do most of the things it does. Why are we judging them based on "sense" now?
S'jet wrote: I dont really understand why people want finecast sisters anyway. Some say conversion potential, and whilst that may be possible for afew of the mini's (seraphim, retributors) the standard sisters with bolter/flamer/melta are all 1 part, with the weapons attatched right across the body.
I for one dont want to see a mass of greenstuff boobies.. that could turn very bad....
Judging by the DE and HE release in fantasy, most likely everyone fears the GW Female Tax
Models with female parts cost more to produce and therefore are more expensive to sell.
5 sisters for $40 with boatload of options or 10 sisters for $60 is what we're looking at.
Finecast reprints would be a bit cheaper probably.
Personally, I love the idea of the AS army, but the lack of options in gameplay and the general lack interest on GW's part has caused me to lose any enthusiasm I would have had normally. Ideally I would be looking for an Inquisistion codex anyway where I could play my warbands without having to take Coteaz (i hate special characters)
$60 for 10 sisters would be significantly cheaper than the current price.
JohnRonald1 wrote: I think it is important that we all start email GW and telling them that we are tired of the price hikes.
Also, what if this codex was totally revamped and we were able to do SoB as an actually viable army??
A guy can dream.
SOB is a viable army, just hard as heck to collect without using up your life savings. But on the field the army performs just fine. It's limited in options though. VERY limited.
MWHistorian wrote: SOB is a viable army, just hard as heck to collect without using up your life savings.
You don't think that new GW plastics will make the army cheaper to collect, do you?
Even at Witch Elf prices $6 ea, they will be cheaper to collect.
$60 for 10 basic troop sisters. vs Current State - Either $72.30 or $76.40 right now.
Spoiler:
7*5.75 for Bolters 2x9.9 for Specials or 1x9.9 and 1x14 for Special and Heavy 1x12.25 for Superior
So yes, they will be cheaper.
Heck, even at Dire Avenger prices (5 for $35) they will be cheaper to collect and have more options.
Edit: Not to mention that by making them plastic, they will probably stop being direct only. Which means that you will be able to get discounts on the models which saves you 10-30% depending on where you buy them. They would be Significantly cheaper in plastic. $72-76 vs $56 (at only 20% which is my FLGS) difference (22% drop, btw).
pretre wrote: Even at Witch Elf prices $6 ea, they will be cheaper to collect.
$60 for 10 basic troop sisters. vs Current State - Either $72.30 or $76.40 right now.
And you are absolutely sure that GW will not raise prices in the 1-3 years until the Sororitas release
Of course I'm not. I can't predict the future. I'm also not sure they won't increase prices right now on SOB when they release the mini-dex.
Witches are, of course, cheaper in the US than they were previous to the release of plastic. Many kits are 50% more expensive than when they were released though.
Either way, sisters will probably be cheaper and will almost definitely be better.
1) Preferred Enemy?
2) Stubborn or Fearless bubble? Uriah's here, is my guess.
3) Adamantium Will
4) Rage? Rampage?
5) Faith related trait. I'm guessing this is Celestine's.
6) Hmm. Bonus bubble. Kyrinov gets this one.
Eldercaveman wrote: Have these already been leaked and I've missed them, in which case embarrassed myself terribly?
Nope, although it is nice to see that we were so close.
Well I was going off general knowledge and reading into the context, you have a fat better background with sisters than me, so your more specific guess's I.E faith points etc are probably more on target.
Maybe something like units within a certain distance to the warlord get rerolls on their faith checks? Or an extra point towards passing the faith check? I'm interested to see what this one is.
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Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote: we wanted to give you a few more teasers of what to expect in the book.
To start with
Ooooh, so it seems like there's more tidbits to come. Interesting.
Thanks. I'm quite new around here, I've noticed I can exalt people's post or the whole topic, but I've no idea what it actually does.
Good news, it's official, we can still use the BRB's Warlord table if ours are not good. But I sure hope they will be good enough to make us forget the BRB ones .
pretre wrote:
1) Preferred Enemy?
2) Stubborn or Fearless bubble? Uriah's here, is my guess.
3) Adamantium Will
4) Rage? Rampage?
5) Faith related trait. I'm guessing this is Celestine's.
6) Hmm. Bonus bubble. Kyrinov gets this one.
Doesn't Kyrinov give the fearless bubble and Jacobus give +1A to his squad? I think you are right with 2/6 but have the characters backwards. Or I'm misremembering. Pinning named characters to specific warlord traits is a good idea.
On that train of thought, 5 could be Jacobus' faith based power, rather then his whipping people up into a frenzy power.
Nevelon wrote: Doesn't Kyrinov give the fearless bubble and Jacobus give +1A to his squad? I think you are right with 2/6 but have the characters backwards. Or I'm misremembering. Pinning named characters to specific warlord traits is a good idea.
On that train of thought, 5 could be Jacobus' faith based power, rather then his whipping people up into a frenzy power.
Warlord traits are in addition to their normal abilities, generally and have been pinned to named characters in all the 6th ed codexes.
So this would add a fearless/stubborn bubble to Jacobus and some sort of buff bubble to Kyrinov (under my guesses).
Maybe 1 is something to choose a character and force him/her/it to accept a challenge. That could maybe lead to some pretty cool option to annoy our opponents !
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Maybe 1 is something to choose a character and force him/her/it to accept a challenge. That could maybe lead to some pretty cool option to annoy our opponents !
This would be a horrible warlord trait. We have one character who could actually benefit from it and she probably will have a fixed trait.
pretre wrote: We have one character who could actually benefit from it
For now. But maybe a Canoness with jetpack using the Blessed Lance of Saint Lucia, the armor of Undying Faith, the Shield of Saint Josmane, and the Book of Dolan Chirosius will be more than a match for many a character !
pretre wrote: We have one character who could actually benefit from it
For now. But maybe a Canoness with jetpack using the Blessed Lance of Saint Lucia, the armor of Undying Faith, the Shield of Saint Josmane, and the Book of Dolan Chirosius will be more than a match for many a character !
pretre wrote: We have one character who could actually benefit from it
For now. But maybe a Canoness with jetpack using the Blessed Lance of Saint Lucia, the armor of Undying Faith, the Shield of Saint Josmane, and the Book of Dolan Chirosius will be more than a match for many a character !
That's some SERIOUS wishlisting there.
Yeah, that's a bit OTT.
The only way that Warlord trait would work is if we had the 2++ annoying broken canoness of doom back.
Troike wrote: What are relics, exactly? They're special pieces of wargear, if I'm understanding correctly?
Do we have any idea what sort of things they'll be, roughly?
Not really. We only know what the other books have gotten recently. They range from Chaos's Dimensional Key to the recent Eternal Warrior/3++ Storm Shield.
I imagine they will be lazy and give us a bunch from the 3rd edition. Cloak, Banner, Blessed Weapon, etc.
Looks.wicked from thst preview page. I can't wait! Do you think any other army could generate 36 odd page of excitemen from a digital only WD version update? Us poor attention stared Sister players.
I reckon I'm buy somestuff from GW new a ther 'reward' for thi update...
The funny thing with Kyrinov is that he was removed quite awhile ago and I emailed GW about him and the superior missing(US site) The response was that they didnt know why Kyrinov was gone and why I couldnt see him on the site, explanation was a bug in my browser was messing up). While not saying anything about the superior. Few days pass and Kyrinov was back on the site. at the bottom of the HQ list. Fast foreward to 5 days ago and he was moved to the 3rd slot in the HQ list, Then he just disappeared again.
Kyrinov disappear from the italian version of the GW site in July, the italian GW service replied to me that he is PROBABLY (probably?) out of stock.
Guess your laundry shop had a field day when all other Codices got their 6th edition FAQ updates for free
Nice try, but this isn't a FAQ update, as is made clear by the picture. Or did I miss when Nids, SW, Orks, BA, etc all got Warlord Traits and points changes 'for free' as you said.
Well, unless all of those official sources were lying, I think it'll be much more than an FAQ update.
Tell me, do FAQs get warlord traits, new wargear, alter of war missions, new fluff, and new artwork? We're also getting an adjustment to our central mechanic, as well as some points adjustments. There's a lot of new stuff in there.
Troike wrote: It's not an FAQ update, it's much more substantial than that. We've been over this.
We will see on release day I guess
Looking forward to updated rules for Kyrinov, Seraphim Superior and other OOP miniatures
Maybe the OOP Immolator is now worth buying
Very good point- when did the immolator dissapear form the webstore? Well, it still appears if you search for it, but the link leads to the home page now.
Also, just realised that the Adepta Sororitas tab isn't in alphabetical order in the army tabs, its still just before SM. Weird
BTW since when is the Immolator/Rhino kit OOP? If GW drops the only all plastic kit for Sororitas, what will they do with all those metal and Finecast blisters?
Haighus wrote: Also, just realised that the Adepta Sororitas tab isn't in alphabetical order in the army tabs, its still just before SM. Weird
I think they just changed that. Really weird is that even the German GW website orders the armies according to alphabetical order of their English names.
Guess your laundry shop had a field day when all other Codices got their 6th edition FAQ updates for free
0/10. Would not read again.
More seriously, Sisters are the only army I play and collect right now so really their the only ones that really get me excited about releases. I've thought about branching out but frankly it's hard when all you hear is crying from every other army.
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Kroothawk wrote: BTW since when is the Immolator/Rhino kit OOP? If GW drops the only all plastic kit for Sororitas, what will they do with all those metal and Finecast blisters?
Haighus wrote: Also, just realised that the Adepta Sororitas tab isn't in alphabetical order in the army tabs, its still just before SM. Weird
I think they just changed that. Really weird is that even the German GW website orders the armies according to alphabetical order of their English names.
Who knows, maybe we have stuff moving back off of the "direct order only" racks now. We'll know more here in a few days I think.
We're also getting an adjustment to our central mechanic, as well as some points adjustments. There's a lot of new stuff in there.
Hearsay.
But it was at an official event, in a conversation with a developer. Not "a friend of a friend..." or "my sources tell me...". I guess evildrcheese could have been lying, but I don't see why he would. He seems like he geniunely likes the SoB.
We hope you don't feel to hard done by, the Adepta Sororitas codex does contain loads of features that even newer codexes don't, like Apocalypse formations and Altar of War missions.
This is from the Digital editions FB page, in a reply to a post. Apocalypse formations!
Apples and oranges to the update possibly, But it is possible to have things changed a lot. My example was that forgeworld redid the Repressor to armor 13 front, SoF, among other things not that long ago. So it is possible to have things changed from a "simple faq update" I say possible because that was forgeworld and this is GW codex. I can dream though. Like MC pentinent engines.
Troike wrote: Question, just how many Apoc formations did we have before, and what were they? I've seen the Repentia one, but how about the others?
We had 2 published in White Dwarf, Repentant Host and Purge Squadron. That one contained Retributor squads and Immolators, 3 to 5 each with matching weapons. They could combine fire to come up with Unique attacks, but it was kind of weak. Forgeworld also published two as well. Chorus of Faith made up of 3 to 5 Exorcists. It was very cool. Then there was the Convocation of Wrath, which was also pretty cool. That was all about using flamers and buffing them up.
If all components of the formation fire on a single target, the "Wall of Fire" rule has them resolve this as a single attack with between 1d6 and 6d6 hits with various special traits and profiles, depending on the nature of the teams (3+ bolter, 3+ melta or 3+ flamer teams, or at least 1 of each).
For example, having at least 1 of each team types participate in this attack would give you 4d6 Hits with Strength 5, AP 3, Heavy 1, Melta and Ignores Cover.
Whereas having three or more Melta teams attack this way would give you 1d6 Hits with Strength 8, AP 1, Heavy 1 and Melta.
And if you use Divine Guidance you get Rending on top of all that.
Dagger wrote: Sky fire for Exorcist? One other Troop choice? Saint making Seraphim scoring/troops would be wicked!
I dont understand why people think Saint Celestine should make Seraphim troops, if anything she should make Repentia Troops as she used to be one herself. She never even reached the rank of Seraphim if I'm not mistaken.
If anything her presence should attract Repentia trying to follow in her footsteps desperately trying to find redemption.
Canoness with jump pack making Seraphim troops is a more acceptable fluff reason.
Dagger wrote: Sky fire for Exorcist? One other Troop choice? Saint making Seraphim scoring/troops would be wicked!
I dont understand why people think Saint Celestine should make Seraphim troops, if anything she should make Repentia Troops as she used to be one herself. She never even reached the rank of Seraphim if I'm not mistaken.
If anything her presence should attract Repentia trying to follow in her footsteps desperately trying to find redemption.
Canoness with jump pack making Seraphim troops is a more acceptable fluff reason.
Repentia is outside of the rank structure. It's a place of honor and shame. We have no record of what Celestine was before she became a Repentia so for all we know she was a Palatine who failed hard.
On the topic of the Immolator being removed, one simple reason would be that currently, the Exorcist kit comes with all the parts to make an Immolator. It may be that GW is going to sell them both as a single kit. I hope I'm wrong, $57 for a Immolator?
Cortez667 wrote: On the topic of the Immolator being removed, one simple reason would be that currently, the Exorcist kit comes with all the parts to make an Immolator. It may be that GW is going to sell them both as a single kit. I hope I'm wrong, $57 for a Immolator?
Nah. I see it being reduced to an upgrade kit or brought back off of direct-order being more likely options.
Immo has only been available in a bag as it has been Direct Order Only for quite some time. Perhaps they're putting it in a box so as to allow Stores to stock them? We can hope the same could be said about a BS and Seraphim box as well, even if they're the same metal models we know and love? Just taking the line off DOO would do wonders to availability.
I seriously doubt they took it off the website for replacement, seems like a strange place to put the line in plastic by attacking the only plastic kit in it. Removing it from sales permanently makes less sense as they're releasing the Codex this month (no matter in what form) the purpose of which is to boost sales. My bet is they're just repackaging it.
We're also getting an adjustment to our central mechanic, as well as some points adjustments. There's a lot of new stuff in there.
Hearsay.
But it was at an official event, in a conversation with a developer. Not "a friend of a friend..." or "my sources tell me...". I guess evildrcheese could have been lying, but I don't see why he would. He seems like he geniunely likes the SoB.
I reported what Cruddence said to me, which was they'd be 'minor tweaking' to points and that the scaling issues for Faith Pounts had been looked at, but it is essentially an update to the WD dex. The only thing from what I reported previously that Cruddence himself didn't seem sure of was the release formats including whether this version would get a 'physical' release, which is when he said it'd probably be treated 'like a supplement' in that if it sells well it'd get a physical release. I then asked at the Digital Editions stand if it wouldd be available on Android as well as Ipad formats - which they confirmed.
We're also getting an adjustment to our central mechanic, as well as some points adjustments. There's a lot of new stuff in there.
Hearsay.
But it was at an official event, in a conversation with a developer. Not "a friend of a friend..." or "my sources tell me...". I guess evildrcheese could have been lying, but I don't see why he would. He seems like he geniunely likes the SoB.
I reported what Cruddence said to me, which was they'd be 'minor tweaking' to points and that the scaling issues for Faith Pounts had been looked at, but it is essentially an update to the WD dex. The only thing from what I reported previously that Cruddence himself didn't seem sure of was the release formats including whether this version would get a 'physical' release, which is when he said it'd probably be treated 'like a supplement' in that if it sells well it'd get a physical release. I then asked at the Digital Editions stand if it wouldd be available on Android as well as Ipad formats - which they confirmed.
D
No physical release then? That's annoying. I was hoping to start a sisters army after I finish my two xenos armies. :/
I noticed that the Immolator is back on the U.S. site. Also, if you go to the main Adepta Sororitas army page and click on the Immolator picture, it is listed as "Heavy Support". It is not listed under the "Heavy Support" tab though.
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Wwbushidow wrote: I noticed that the Immolator is back on the U.S. site. Also, if you go to the main Adepta Sororitas army page and click on the Immolator picture, it is listed as "Heavy Support". It is not listed under the "Heavy Support" tab though.
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Likely means nothing. It was HS in 3rd and despite shuffling things about they never updated all that stuff.
Uriah and Immolator are all back on the UK site now too. So the only thing missing from the old range is the Seraphim superior still. I think this means very little, probably something along the lines of the mould for the seraphim superior is knackered or they have run out of made stock.
scrunty wrote: Uriah and Immolator are all back on the UK site now too. So the only thing missing from the old range is the Seraphim superior still. I think this means very little, probably something along the lines of the mould for the seraphim superior is knackered or they have run out of made stock.
Uraih never went missing on the US site so I was unaware of that one. However, Kyrinov is still missing.
You got it: Tank Heaven For Little Girls in Proposed Rules includes alternative Exorcist ammo loads plus two new vehicles -- a modified Predator Infernus and the all-new Oriflamme Scout Tank -- and new Sororitas-unique vehicle upgrades and special rules.
ClockworkZion wrote: Griffon, Hydra...FW already has models that GW incorporated into the IG codex and has yet to release plastic kits for.
Medusa and Colossus too. There was the Manticore but that's got a plastic kit too now, along with the Vanquisher, Exterminator and Executioner Leman Russ variants- they all still have their original FW versions available too I think. Edit: missed valkyries- when I think about it, half the new units included in the 5th ed Guard codex were FW models at the time!
A MBT for Sisters would make sense to me, but I guess the lack of one just reflects how limited the range is in general tbh.
Mr Morden wrote: I think the Predator makes most sense as a Sisters of Battle tank given the general usage of the Rhino chasis......and its general flexibility.
still want a specialised Assault vehicles and a Valykrie variant though
OK so Black Library's Blog has posted up some history about Adepta Sororitas publications including som spoilers about the new codex. While the minimum number of Battle Sisters in the troop unit has gone down, we are actually paying more points for 9 Sisters led by a veteran Superior. Bummer. Basic Sisters are still 12 points each sadly.
andrewm9 wrote: OK so Black Library's Blog has posted up some history about Adepta Sororitas publications including som spoilers about the new codex. While the minimum number of Battle Sisters in the troop unit has gone down, we are actually paying more points for 9 Sisters led by a veteran Superior. Bummer. Basic Sisters are still 12 points each sadly.
Does this mean five-woman troop squads? Because I'd like that.
I can't see any size restrictions for the unit in terms of taking special weapons - So it would seem in a 5 sisters BBS squad you can take 2 special weapons? Am I reading this right?!
The rules of course, have been updated as well. All the newer Codexes contain army-specific Warlord Traits and unique items, and this Codex is no exception.
Existing players will also notice a few other changes, particularly the way Acts of Faith work with your army. There are even a few additions that other newer Codexes don’t have, such as Apocalypse Formations and Altar of War scenarios.
Ah, the Ecclesiarchy and it's magnificent sense of measure. “Hey guys, let's make a statue five time as high as the highest building in the city. What do you mean, too expansive ? We'll just raise a few more tithes !”
pretre wrote:Canoness of doom as well. 2+ / EW, here we come!
No use if we are unable to make it a 2++. Everyone and everything with AP2 will kill use outright. Including a riptide .
Not happy about the point cost still being 12ppm but depending on acts of faith, weapon costs, and transport costs it could level out. It's good to see 5-mans being viable, espeically with 2 specials or 1 special and 1 heavy.
Hulksmash wrote: Not happy about the point cost still being 12ppm but depending on acts of faith, weapon costs, and transport costs it could level out. It's good to see 5-mans being viable, espeically with 2 specials or 1 special and 1 heavy.
70 Pts for 2 Flamers plus 80 for an Immo with TL-MM? Nice. 150 for a troops choice with vehicle that is viable, is pretty awesome. Especially considering our minimum troops choice was 125 before with nothing on it.
Let's say:
4 Sisters in Immos - 600
3 Exorcists - 405
3 Dominions in Immos - ~600-700
HQ of somesort
Yikes. that's right around 1850 and pretty nice.
One thing that you may not know about the White Dwarf codex is that much of the background that was written for it was never put into the magazine due to space restrictions. There is no such issue with digital editions, so much of the background in the digital codex has never been printed before.
We're getting lots of new fluff, it seems! Excellent.
Those of you familiar with Fantasy Flight Games’ range of Warhammer 40,000 books, may recognise some of the artwork in the new codex from those pages, but there are loads of new pieces as well, not the least of which is the stunning new cover by Anna Steinbauer.
And some all-new artwork!
Existing players will also notice a few other changes, particularly the way Acts of Faith work with your army.
This is very interesting. Looks like Cruddace was telling the truth at Games Day. Hopefully, one of our biggest issues has been largely fixed.
Anyway, liking what I'm seeing in the other pictures. Troops are looking decent, that Apoc formation sounds like a lot of fun and the Relics look good.
quiestdeus wrote:Frankly, I really want to know what they went out of their way to hide with the Frag Grenade pop-up....
I guess nothing, they just wanted to showcase how you can get the rules by clicking on something, since it's one of the big selling point of digital codices.
I really hope that his capture is only the first page of the Relics section, and not the whole of the relics. We need stabby and killy relics ! And we need them hard !
At least 109 pages!!! Immolators can be dedicated for troops! 2+ save Canoness available again! Oh happy day! Repressor does not seem to be in the codex, but oh well.
AdeptSister wrote: At least 109 pages!!! Immolators can be dedicated for troops! 2+ save Canoness available again! Oh happy day! Repressor does not seem to be in the codex, but oh well.
I don't think we expected that. It is still a FW option though and nasty as hell.
5 Sisters, Melta/MM in a Repressor? 150 points.
SOB in Repressor x4 = 600
3 Exorcists = 405
3 Dominions in Repressors = ~800
HQ ~1850, 10 AV 13 Hulls.
Also, given the way it's written, it's pretty likely that Sister Superior can take Eviscerators again. Muahahahahah. Now we have at least a little, tiny-tiny hope to beat some stuff in CC with basic sisters !
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Also, given the way it's written, it's pretty likely that Sister Superior can take Eviscerators again. Muahahahahah. Now we have at least a little, tiny-tiny hope to beat some stuff in CC with basic sisters !
Meh, with challenges, eviscerators are a really bad idea. I would keep my girls cheap.
AdeptSister wrote: Wait...I might be late to the party but did you guys notice that the sister superior does not need to a veteran to take upgrades?That is huge!
She didn't need to be a vet in the WD dex either...
AdeptSister wrote: Wait...I might be late to the party but did you guys notice that the sister superior does not need to a veteran to take upgrades?That is huge!
She didn't need to be a vet in the WD dex either...
The Superiors had the stats of a vet already. The change is just on keeping with new old design philosophy.
Sorry. I was one of those who was waiting for a proper codex, so I missed out on the WD one and took a hiatus with my sisters. This is wonderful and it looks like we will get some options again. It will be nice to be able to use a Canoness that is not wasteful. And more fluff and beautiful full-color art. I am extremely excited.
That many Immolators possibly combined with some DA allies sporting power fields will be hilarious. But like I said, it'll depend on their transport cost and the cost of specials/heavies.
I'll probably pick this up when it goes live. Unlike the supplements (which I want to buy in solid form) this is perfect for me
It really looks to me like someone paid attention to a lot of the concerns players had with the way the army functioned after the change from C:WH to the WD articles. Just seeing what's been hinted at or revealed so far makes me pleased as punch, I can run my sisters the way they were originally built. Simulacrum is cheap enough to actually take, possible eviscerators in squads, relics back, minimum squad sizes are easier to deal with... fix the HF immolator and I am already good to go (still hoping for Holy Promethium though, it was so freaking good). Still lukewarm on Shield of faith personally, never had it do more than save one or two models in a game and only really helps on vehicles. Very curious about the faith and points tweaks.
Hulksmash wrote: That many Immolators possibly combined with some DA allies sporting power fields will be hilarious. But like I said, it'll depend on their transport cost and the cost of specials/heavies.
DA aren't BB with SOB, so power field wouldn't work right?
Oh that would be great if they updated the Ally list too.
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pretre wrote: Just noticed that we got a price break on sisters.
We were 12.5, we are now 12.
No. We were 12, and paying 5 for the SSV “mandatory option”. We are still 12, but the V is really an option now. And it's 10 points. So the price got actually higher.
Hulksmash wrote: The power field works on any model, friend or foe, within 3" of the bearer. So it works quite well on AoC's as well
Oh wow. My bad. That is good. It doesn't work if embarked though, right?
So hide some bikes behind an immo wall?
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Hulksmash wrote: As a sidenote I'm really, really hoping that the engines went MC for us. I don't want to get my hopes up but that would make me so happy.
Even as MC, they would be overshadowed by Exos unless they went elite or were broken cheap.
Hulksmash wrote: As a sidenote I'm really, really hoping that the engines went MC for us. I don't want to get my hopes up but that would make me so happy.
I officially bet it didn't. It really seems to big of a change for a codex that really seems mostly about little adjustment and additions.
Hulksmash wrote: As a sidenote I'm really, really hoping that the engines went MC for us. I don't want to get my hopes up but that would make me so happy.
I officially bet it didn't. It really seems to big of a change for a codex that really seems mostly about little adjustment and additions.
They already have a big change and that's in the first preview.
Just noticed that we got a price break on sisters.
We were 12.5, we are now 12.
That not quite true, since 10 Sisters with a Veteran (like we before) is now 130 points. I don't know about you, but I want my Leadership 9, I usually need it. If you go with a small unit, you only need to take 2 casualties before needing to pass a morale test. The difference between 8 and 9 is pretty significant.
Just noticed that we got a price break on sisters.
We were 12.5, we are now 12.
That not quite true, since 10 Sisters with a Veteran (like we before) is now 130 points. I don't know about you, but I want my Leadership 9, I usually need it. If you go with a small unit, you only need to take 2 casualties before needing to pass a morale test. The difference between 8 and 9 is pretty significant.
Okay, price increase at 10 girls, but price break at minimum squad size. 9 is nice, but getting a lot of scoring on the table for much cheaper is even better.
Scoring was always a problem for sisters because of the cost of a minimum size squad. This helps a lot.
Also, interesting though. If they don't fix PE, I may use them to convert out a set of allied Centurions with Tig (Inquisitor) in a bastion.. Anyone got some extra PEs they want to ditch?
I totally understand your view. The WD codex for me would have been a hassle for me to legally obtain. The changes I saw plus the inconvenience helped guide me to take a break. I liked the WitchHunters codex and the changes I saw in the WD codex was jarring and was upsetting for me. I felt the change from Chapter Approved to WitchHunters was not as drastic. Faith System was not as flexible as it use to be. Canoness were really overpriced. Celestians became horrible. Heavy Flamers became prohibitively expensive. l'm hopeful that some of these issues have been fixed, at least point-wise. I look forward to playing with them again.
The new squad is 5 points more expensive for the same thing, not 10. Without the Superior it's 5 less than current.
We already know the Simulcrum went down as well, so I'm rather excited as point breaks on wargear might make up for this. As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.
We'll have to wait and see I think before passing full judgement.
While I like the changes to the basic BSS, I think people are jumping the gun a little on the relics. While we know what they did in the past, there's no guarantee that they'll do the same thing now. I'm hoping they well, because that would make a canoness an actual viable (though probably expensive) option. But I'm trying not to get too ahead of GW here.
The new squad is 5 points more expensive for the same thing, not 10. Without the Superior it's 5 less than current.
We already know the Simulcrum went down as well, so I'm rather excited as point breaks on wargear might make up for this. As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.
We'll have to wait and see I think before passing full judgement.
Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
Storm
Link to the pic that you are saying this is traced from...?
The new squad is 5 points more expensive for the same thing, not 10. Without the Superior it's 5 less than current.
We already know the Simulcrum went down as well, so I'm rather excited as point breaks on wargear might make up for this. As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.
We'll have to wait and see I think before passing full judgement.
Yeah, I was talking about base without the VSS.
Yeah, I misread the thing about points cost. I'm not upset about it if we got enough codex wide breaks. And being able to MSU the squads is a great boon, especially in lower point games or when you want 3-4 scoring units but don't want as many models on the board you can now plop down 2 units of 10 and a unit or two of 5.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyone else notice that the BSS can take a special and a heavy (or 2 specials) at 5 models?
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
Storm
Link to the pic that you are saying this is traced from...?
And I don't think it is traced as pointed out above, however there are some obvious inspirations taken from Xmens storm. But I have know problem with that as it is a cool piece of artwork.
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
Storm
Google is failing me, but I remember the person on the cover was also using a gun. I thought it was a guy though.
ClockworkZion wrote:
streamdragon wrote: Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
That's Ephrael Stern. From the Daemonfuge comics.
Which I have never read, so I would have never seen the cover.
As an amusing aside, the blog post seems to indicate that the Exorcist was created for C:WH, which is incorrect. It was a unit in the WD dex before that.
streamdragon wrote:Also, I'm positive that second picture (the sister with lightning eyes) is a direct trace of another piece of art. I want to say a marvel comic or something, but not 00% sure on whose it was.
That's Ephrael Stern. From the Daemonfuge comics.
Yup. It's her Book III "Heretic Saint" cover, also used for the pocket book collection that combines all three volumes.
pretre wrote: I wonder if this means we get rules for good ol' ES?
Spoiler:
"If Ephrael Stern is in your army Eldar are treated as Battle Brothers and enemy Black Templar models gain Preferred Enemy (Ephrael Stern)"
"If Ephrael Stern is removed from play as a casualty place a token representing the Stern Codex where her model was. This is an objective that gives +3 victory points to the army holding it at the end of the game and Preferred Enemy (Slaanesh). If captured by a model with the Mark of Slaanesh or Daemon of Slaanesh special rule, it is worth +6 victory points."
Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.
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