Adepta Sororitas Digital Codex - October 19

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**Fayric**

The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.

**evildrcheese**

BoomWolf wrote:
Well, we can all agree on the obvious changes though?

-The saint will cost more. (unquestionably the most OP warlord in the game, and it won't stay that way.)
-Heavy bolters will cost more. (they are cheaper then anywhere else, and on a potentially rending platform its nuts.)
-Heavy Flamers will cost less. (they are more expensive then the new SM codex, and the same as the IG codex-where it is never used.)
-Cost per sister will get 1-2 points lower, unless faith rework is really extensive. (most basic infantry got a 1-2 point reduction lately, at times alongside a small buff)
-The new relics mentioned means that the Canoness (and maybe others) gets some new options.
-Altar of war is (so far) 3 non-mirrored missions who follows the army playstyle, and "hijack" the Eternal War missions.
-Penitent Engines will likely get cost reduction, or total overhaul.

-Warlord traits, so far the supplement-level ones are unimpressive, farsight for example have 2 of them being a direct downgrade of two from the "strategic" table, one who is merely a +1 to WS, 2 others mismatch the army, and only one was really good. other supplements did not have it much better.
I expect at least one, if not two of them will be faith related (reroll faith amounts, reroll faith activation, ways to gain faith, etc.). one-use traits are also popular in GW nowdays.

I wouldn't hold my breath for a 'Overhaul' of Pentient Engines until we get a proper update as this is gonna be the WD dex with tweaks. When we get a proper Dex I'd like to see the PE moved into Elites and be MC rather than walkers. All your other assessments seems reasonable in thcontext ofthe data we've already had. Although I do hope the Warlord traits are good and add something to the army.

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**troy_tempest**

I'm also hoping its possible to give a canoness a jump pack. It so annoyed me when they changed that.

**SisterSydney**

Lynata wrote:
Technically, Space Marines are Administratum, too. ...

Nope, looks at that org chart again: the connection between the Administratum and the Astartes is a DASHED line, indicating consultation and coordination, not a solid line meaning control.

I work with the federal government and trust me, when you see a dashed line, it means "you don't own me."

**Desteele**

On 2nd October GW Digital Editions facebook page had got to 888 likes on their facebook page.
On the 4th October GW Digital Editions said they wanted another 100 likes to take them up to 1146 likes before they provided more info on the AS Codex.
It has now reached 2193, an increase of 1305 in 4 days. The first 888 took 5 months.
When they got the the 100 likes they wanted in a few hours they were not ready to provide more info. Guess more people are interested in the AS Codex than they expected.

https://www.facebook.com/GamesWorkshopDigitalEditions

**Melissia**

Troike wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
rob Sororitas of all its Inquisition units, so basically half its units.

Good riddance, I say.

I, as well, will not miss the Inquisition. They should never have been added to the 3rdEd Sisters codex in the first place.

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Fayric wrote:
The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.

The I also an be interpreted to represent "Imperium" or "Imperial", too, with much the same result.

**ClockworkZion**

pretre wrote:
Kreedos wrote:
I predict the following.
Snip

They're not going to charge us $40+ for a rehash of the WD dex. I'm pretty sure of this.

I think you may have too much faith.

I think you don't have enough.

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inmygravenimage wrote:
Apologies if this has been noted elsewhere, but I see that Kyrinov is gone from the webstore...

Yup, he's been taken off the US site completely now. No "4 weeks to despatch", no page, just gone.

I wonder if this is something that broke or a sign of Finecast Kyrinov in our future.

**Crimson**

Melissia wrote:
I, as well, will not miss the Inquisition. They should never have been added to the 3rdEd Sisters codex in the first place.

I agree. However, it would be awfully nice if there would be an actual Inquisition codex too, from which you could ally Hereticus or Xenos Inquisitors without those bloody Grey Knights tagging along.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Fayric wrote:
The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.

Called the fasces lictoriae ("bundles of the lictors") in Rome or more simply the fasces, the image of a bundle of rods and an axe is a very, very old symbol for power and authority from ancient times through out the Roman era. Many modern Western nations, including the United States continue to display the fasces in one context or another, especially those who wish to harken back to the days of Rome and it's ideals.

**SisterSydney**

All true. Unfortunately, as with the ancient symbol of the swastika used by traditions ranging from Buddhist to Native American , the fasces got misused by people whose actions in World War II tainted it forever....

**Neronoxx**

SisterSydney wrote:
All true. Unfortunately, as with the ancient symbol of the swastika used by traditions ranging from Buddhist to Native American , the fasces got misused by people whose actions in World War II tainted it forever....

That's not technically correct. The original symbol was the manji, an buddhist symbol. For whatever reason, Hitler took the manji, flipped it and rotated it. Not too much of a difference, but they are called different things.

**Crimson**

Neronoxx wrote:
SisterSydney wrote:
All true. Unfortunately, as with the ancient symbol of the swastika used by traditions ranging from Buddhist to Native American , the fasces got misused by people whose actions in World War II tainted it forever....

That's not technically correct. The original symbol was the manji, an buddhist symbol. For whatever reason, Hitler took the manji, flipped it and rotated it. Not too much of a difference, but they are called different things.

Manji is just the Japanese name for swastika, it's the same thing. Also, in Buddhism it can be used facing either direction, (though usually not angled.) (Left facing swastika is sometimes called sauwastika.)

(EDIT: also, all this might be a tad off topic...)

**conker249**

Ill be buying the digital, then print it for ease of use, then when the hardback book comes out buy that too. I know this is what GW are hoping people do, but I want my sisters army to flourish. I don't care if it's a stop gap. Showing support is what they want to see, ill show them my support and hope to get more future support from GW.

**Kroothawk**

ClockworkZion wrote:
I wonder if this is something that broke or a sign of Finecast Kyrinov in our future.

Crazy idea, but is it possible that GW wants to get rid of metal and Finecast models?

Crimson wrote:
(EDIT: also, all this might be a tad off topic...)

Correct, let's go back to boob armour discussion and wild wishlisting

**redeyed**

Same Conker

Although sad at having to pay out twice >.<

**ClockworkZion**

Kroothawk wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
I wonder if this is something that broke or a sign of Finecast Kyrinov in our future.

Crazy idea, but is it possible that GW wants to get rid of metal and Finecast models?

It does seem like GW is trying to move away from Finecast, but seeing as we just got some Finecast a couple months ago it's not impossible.

**Crimson**

Frankly, while I would kill for plastic sisters, I'd prefer finecast over metal if those are the choices. Finecast is so much easier to convert.

**ClockworkZion**

Crimson wrote:
Frankly, while I would kill for plastic sisters, I'd prefer finecast over metal if those are the choices. Finecast is so much easier to convert.

I'd kill for Penitent Engines I could build without pinning like a crazy person.

Finecast would be a good stop gap, especially if it came in squad sized boxes (and boxed groups of heavies and specials instead of blisters).

**Gymnogyps**

Fayric wrote:
The I is clearly a symbol of one-ness and unity, as opposed to the chaos star. A more subtle symbol than a one direction arrow.
Both romans and fachist italy had a symbol of a bundle of sticks tied together, in essense making a hard straight line like the I.

I really like this order vs. Chaos angle you've mentioned, since I'm an old school Elric of Melnibone/ Michael. Moorcock fan.

Although I'm sure my nascent interest will be quashed shortly, I actually unboxed my Sisters for the first time in years. I forgot how much I loved that army.

It was depressing, though, that my inquisitorial land raider, chimera, stormtroopers, and henchmen are all useless. I guess that's an easy first cull for selling off if I'm furloughed much longer... but what to do with my Zealots? Sigh...

Edit- oh yeah, I can't wait to see what the eDex will bring. I really like that cover art work.

**Some_Call_Me_Tim?**

Am I the only person that thinks the lead Sister on the new 'Dex cover totally looks like Katee Sackhoff?

~Tim?

**SisterSydney**

Gymnogyps wrote:
... but what to do with my Zealots? Sigh...

Got anyome who'll play you using homebrew rules? Then try this.

**pretre**

I highly doubt we will get such extensive points changes. I would love to be wrong though.

**ClockworkZion**

pretre wrote:
I highly doubt we will get such extensive points changes. I would love to be wrong though.

Someone needs a Penitence Crusade it seems.

I have faith that we'll see an improvement on what we have. That's the biggest thing I predict.

**Lynata**

Vain wrote:
Lynata wrote:Well, the I-symbol doesn't have to do anything with the Ministorum or the Imperial Cult. I've not read much about the origins, but I'd assume that all those icons are way older than the Ecclesiarchy, which is pretty much the youngest of the big Imperial institutions.
Hang on...the "I" doesnt just stand for the Imperium of Man? Awww damn, I was running under the assumption that the Imperium based organisations used the I with different additions (the eye for the Astropaths etc)

No, no, you misunderstood!
I'm convinced the "I" stands for "Imperium" (as mentioned in an earlier post), but that it does not stand for the "Imperial Creed" - which is the religious dogma proclaimed by the Ecclesiarchy and adopted by the IoM.

SisterSydney wrote:Nope, looks at that org chart again: the connection between the Administratum and the Astartes is a DASHED line, indicating consultation and coordination, not a solid line meaning control.
I work with the federal government and trust me, when you see a dashed line, it means "you don't own me."

I don't think this is what it means - the dashed line indicates that they are technically under their control, but practically are rather independent as they do not always listen and the Imperium tends to not press the issue, preserving to keep the Chapter as an unreliable fighting organisation rather than losing them entirely.
Remember, the High Lords officially speak for the Emperor. And the Space Marines belong to the Emperor. After the Horus Heresy, the Codex Astartes as proclaimed by High Lord Guillaume was enforced "at the barrel of a gun" with at least one incident of the Imperial Navy almost opening fire on the Imperial Fists for their refusal until Dorn caved in. It's just that over the millennia, the IoM kind of lost the grip on the Astartes.

"The Adeptus Terra has never felt it necessary to enforce the Codex absolutely. Indeed it is doubtful whether it could."
- WD #252 Index Astartes

**Crimson**

I don't think that's right Lynata. Marines are only answerable to the Emperor, and thus technically to High Lords who are his proxy. But not to Administratum.

**Harriticus**

It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army

**Lynata**

Crimson wrote:I don't think that's right Lynata. Marines are only answerable to the Emperor, and thus technically to High Lords who are his proxy. But not to Administratum.

In this relationship, I see the Administratum as proxy of the High Lords. It's not the High Lords who would personally oversee the collection of the geneseed tithe or adherence to the Codex Astartes - this is being done by the ministries, as the above quote mentioned.
It's less a "command" authority but rather an administrative one. Just like you wouldn't think of the relationship between the Imperial Guard and some Administratum clerk as one of commander and subordinate. The Administratum passes on orders from above (High Lords) and catalogues compliance with established rules.

Harriticus wrote:It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army

True dat. I keep saying that these new Supplement Codices or the White Dwarf articles would be an excellent solution for the Inquisition. An army list with Inquisitors, assassins, ISTs and Deathwatch you could tack on to any other Imperial army. The new Ally rules in 6E are ideal for add-ons of this sort!

**Crimson**

Harriticus wrote:
It's good not to make the SoB subordinate to the Inquisition, but at the same time making them only part of the Grey Knights is rather stupid. I think Inquisition units should be able to be attached to any Imperial army

Yep, I completely agree.

**Mr Morden**

Seconded - As many have said before - An Agents of the Imperium supplement would be ace

**Troike**

I wouldn't be upset about finecast... But I'd still much prefer plastics. It just seems to be the better material overall. But still, the ease of conversion will be really great either way.

BoomWolf wrote:
-Warlord traits, so far the supplement-level ones are unimpressive, farsight for example have 2 of them being a direct downgrade of two from the "strategic" table, one who is merely a +1 to WS, 2 others mismatch the army, and only one was really good. other supplements did not have it much better.
I expect at least one, if not two of them will be faith related (reroll faith amounts, reroll faith activation, ways to gain faith, etc.). one-use traits are also popular in GW nowdays.

Well, we're not a supplement, though. So maybe they'll be better than the supplement ones. There's also the fact that we didn't have any warlord traits to begin with, so there's nothing to downgrade from. We're getting some straight upgrades here, which is nice.

Yeah, I'm expecting one for buffing faith, which will be really useful.

ClockworkZion wrote:

inmygravenimage wrote:
Apologies if this has been noted elsewhere, but I see that Kyrinov is gone from the webstore...

Yup, he's been taken off the US site completely now. No "4 weeks to despatch", no page, just gone.

I wonder if this is something that broke or a sign of Finecast Kyrinov in our future.

I somehow doubt it. Kyrinov and the Seraphim Superiors went missing a while before the big rumours started swirling. Before the dev comments ar Enter the Citadel, I mean. I could be wrong, though.

conker249 wrote:
Ill be buying the digital, then print it for ease of use, then when the hardback book comes out buy that too. I know this is what GW are hoping people do, but I want my sisters army to flourish. I don't care if it's a stop gap. Showing support is what they want to see, ill show them my support and hope to get more future support from GW.

Damn right, bud. That's my plan too.

Given the reactions we've been seeing, I think the Sisters will get more than enough support from this.